More Possible Terrorist Attacks In America........

[journeyrock]

Dude, there is no war on terror. There's only an "overseas contingency operation". The president said so!

And so did top Pentagon officials dating back to 2006...even Rumsfeld wanted a name change.
But go ahead, blame Obama.
Why the fuck not, right?

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Analy ... e_999.html

In my humble opinion, it started back when Clinton was president and "neglected" to capture Bin Laden when he was handed to him on a silver platter.

And I voted for Clinton!
I voted for Obama too, and I, personally, think he's doing an o.k. job so far. At least he's standing up for what he believes, and that is what I like in a leader. What he accomplishes is yet to be seen, but I, for one, am giving him a chance. And that's a lot more than I'm giving Neal and Company these days.

[YoungJRNY]

Scary thing is, that it is NO secret that terrorist lye on the soil inside of the United States, in fact there are terrorist led organizations that are stationed within the heartland. You look back at 9/11 and these dirtbags were going to school and getting trained by our systems to become pilots as a ploy to turn over our planes and fly them through our buildings of trademark. That just goes to show that even though we tightened security and our defense units, that we will never be able to win a war against terror, esp when they side here in the U.S as it is.

But most of them were already on CIA watch lists.
The system worked, there was just a failure to share intel.
Factor in the multiple surveillance gathering and wiretapping programs running concurrently in this country (which Gonzales accidentally let slip in front of Congress. Whoops!), and I think we're safer than we have ever been.

Lets hope so, since that Nightmare was over, we stepped up to the plate as far as safety is concerned. Surveillance systems and wiretapping gives us any advantage when dealing with an outside threat. It's inside that could have many loopholes, but so far so good. Will one of these rag heads test Obama's will and leadership to the country, maybe, but overall we ARE a safer country than we were before and after the attacks, which brings us to the point of this thread about the CIA, and the overall Government doing their job soundly, and effectively.

[brywool]

great....
leaving for Hawaii in two days. This will make flying even more fun...

[strangegrey]

Lets hope so, since that Nightmare was over, we stepped up to the plate as far as safety is concerned. Surveillance systems and wiretapping gives us any advantage when dealing with an outside threat. It's inside that could have many loopholes, but so far so good. Will one of these rag heads test Obama's will and leadership to the country, maybe, but overall we ARE a safer country than we were before and after the attacks, which brings us to the point of this thread about the CIA, and the overall Government doing their job soundly, and effectively.

This is an issue that I do think about.

The last thing I would want, if I were a terrorist leader like Bin Ladden in a cave somewhere in the middle east....is for the middle east to start siding with the US. Obama has been extending plenty of olive branches to the Muslim world...and that might be percieved as a threat.

If they pulled off another big terrorist attack, that might incite a harsh military or diplomatic reaction by Obama....which would, in turn, rally muslims against the US again.

So I think the danger is higher. They were motivated to show Bush as weak...by successfully attacking while Bush was in office. But I think that motivation is equal or stronger with Obama in office, because if there were a successful attack, Obama would be caught between a proverbial rock and a hard place....and they terrorists know this.

[brywool]

Bin Lauden Captured or Perry's new album?

Which will come first?

[strangegrey]

Bin Lauden Captured or Perry's new album?

Which will come first?

a few years ago, I would have said Bin Ladden's capture...not anymore...

[RedWingFan]

Dude, there is no war on terror. There's only an "overseas contingency operation". The president said so!

And so did top Pentagon officials dating back to 2006...even Rumsfeld wanted a name change.
But go ahead, blame Obama.
Why the fuck not, right?

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Analy ... e_999.html

Well Rumsfeld wasn't elected president was he??? Yeah, I'll blame Rumsfeld for Obama changing the name.
Why don't you go into the Obama thread and defend all the corruption and criminal activity going on in Obama's administration?

[KDOUBLEU]

Denver man indicted

http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/na ... 05295.html

Scary thing is, that it is NO secret that terrorist lye on the soil inside of the United States, in fact there are terrorist led organizations that are stationed within the heartland. You look back at 9/11 and these dirtbags were going to school and getting trained by our systems to become pilots as a ploy to turn over our planes and fly them through our buildings of trademark. That just goes to show that even though we tightened security and our defense units, that we will never be able to win a war against terror, esp when they side here in the U.S as it is.

That's why we need to fuckin watch our borders more.

That's why I got my Glock 17, I see any shit goin down like that, I Clint Eastwood them up to Allah. I <3 concealed carry.

17 is a nice gun but if i were you i would trade it in for the Glock 40 it has much more firepower then the 17 and it fits into the same carrier.

[Ehwmatt]

Denver man indicted

http://wcbstv.com/breakingnewsalerts/na ... 05295.html

Scary thing is, that it is NO secret that terrorist lye on the soil inside of the United States, in fact there are terrorist led organizations that are stationed within the heartland. You look back at 9/11 and these dirtbags were going to school and getting trained by our systems to become pilots as a ploy to turn over our planes and fly them through our buildings of trademark. That just goes to show that even though we tightened security and our defense units, that we will never be able to win a war against terror, esp when they side here in the U.S as it is.

That's why we need to fuckin watch our borders more.

That's why I got my Glock 17, I see any shit goin down like that, I Clint Eastwood them up to Allah. I <3 concealed carry.

17 is a nice gun but if i were you i would trade it in for the Glock 40 it has much more firepower then the 17 and it fits into the same carrier.

My buddy that it's in the USMC bought it for me, beggars can't be choosers

I really don't ever take it out, hope I don't ever have to

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well Rumsfeld wasn't elected president was he??? Yeah, I'll blame Rumsfeld for Obama changing the name.

You conveniently ignore the fact the idea to change the name originated from within the military, and NOT (as you would dishonestly have us believe) from some Joan Baez notion of world peace that Obama brought into the White House from smoking peyote with Bill Ayers.
You DO want the President to listen to the advice of military leaders, correct?

Why don't you go into the Obama thread and defend all the corruption and criminal activity going on in Obama's administration?

Far be it from me to spend every waking day for the next eight years debunking FactFinder’s cut'n'paste jobs.
Some of the criticism is legit, some not.
Besides, as this exchange proves, truth is not a commodity in the political threads.
As I already mentioned, changing the name of the “War on Terror” was not exclusive to Obama, and in fact, was advocated by military higher-ups long before the 2008 election.
This, of course, does little to stop you from distorting the facts in pursuit of bashing the evil Socialist/fascist/communist/Marxist/racist Kenyan in chief.
It's all one big fucking waste of time, even by message board standards.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Why is it that following the first terrorist attack on 9-11, everyone became so patriotic, couldn't look anywhere without seeing the Red, White and Blue. The last time I saw so much of those colors was in the summer of 1976. After about a few months following 9-11 however, the patriotism seemed to wear off and everyone turned their attention to focusing on creating conspiracy theories about it, which included but not limited to feeling bad for the terror suspects as though they were real victims?

[Rick]

Why is it that following the first terrorist attack on 9-11, everyone became so patriotic, couldn't look anywhere without seeing the Red, White and Blue. The last time I saw so much of those colors was in the summer of 1976. After about a few months following 9-11 however, the patriotism seemed to wear off and everyone turned their attention to focusing on creating conspiracy theories about it, which included but not limited to feeling bad for the terror suspects as though they were real victims?

That's just a noisy few. Fuck them. If you don't want to be a terror suspect, then don't put yourself in a position to be one.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Why is it that following the first terrorist attack on 9-11, everyone became so patriotic, couldn't look anywhere without seeing the Red, White and Blue. The last time I saw so much of those colors was in the summer of 1976. After about a few months following 9-11 however, the patriotism seemed to wear off and everyone turned their attention to focusing on creating conspiracy theories about it, which included but not limited to feeling bad for the terror suspects as though they were real victims?

That's just a noisy few. Fuck them. If you don't want to be a terror suspect, then don't put yourself in a position to be one.

Totally agree!

What I've been curious about for many years now is if I were residing in Japan and lets say some terror suspects blew up a train station or something there and for whatever reason I matched the suspects description and the Japanese authorities took me in for questioning to see if I had anything to do with it, why would that piss me off or offend me? It wouldn't because I love Japan and I want to catch the real terrorists just as much as the Japanese would want to and so I would be completely cooperative and helpful during the entire interview. In fact I think it would be totally illogical to turn around and complain and claim that what happened to me by the Japanese was racist and discriminating. So, my point is, why do some people in America become so pissed off at American authorities if they are paid extra attention to and brought in and asked questions since they match the description of the people who attacked America on 9-11? And history has proven that lots of people in America turn around and argue that they were vicitms of racist discrimination because of this. I would think that they would be happy to help and want the real terrorists caught, much like I would in my example of being in Japan. My only explaination would be that these people really don't want to help catch the real terrorists at all. Actions speak louder then words.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Those C&Ps are 95% from the so called main stream news outlets. I believe at least 2 the last few days were from MSNBC. (the only network with more letters in their name than sane viewers)

Ok...
But they are still cut n' paste jobs and you still post them by the dozens.
I don't care what political ideology you call your own, no one has time to sit there and refute that shit.

The problem is that when I post those articles, most of the time you can't debunk them as they are factual news articles.

I can't speak for anyone but myself, but my leave of absence has nothing to do with being outclassed.
I just have better things to do.

I would love you to comment on the post I put up today discussing Cloward-Piven.

I heard it mentioned on Beck...I don't know if The Nation's online archives reach back to the 60s, maybe I will seek out the original article.
Then again, maybe not.

David Horowitz can't exactly be called a Limbaugh/Beck clone can he?

A one-time liberal who now makes his living bashing the left?
Sounds pretty close to me.

[The_Noble_Cause]

#2. After 911 the Pubbie Bush had a 76% approval rating right up and leading into Iraq. Yes Iraq. Look it up.

What's so surprising about this?
The media and the Congress were in Bush's hip pocket in the run-up to the war, and any journalists actually doing their job (like, say, the Post's Walter Pinucs) were relegated to the back pages.

#3. The Dems, seeing this wave of support had no other choice than to try and erode it and swing that back into their favor.

It wasn't the Dems who hid the WMDs, released photos of Abu Ghraib, or forced the Red Cross to release reports of detainee abuse.
Like any opposition party out of power, they did make hay out of it.
Likewise, the Dems didn't force Bush to gut FEMA, load it with lackeys, and poorly manage the Katrina response.
Same with the SEC (aka Wall Street's watchdog), in handling Madoff and the lead-up to The Great Recession.

#4. They came close with Kerry and failing, then went on a 4 year slash and burn campaign which got momentum in 2006 and took over in 2009.

The loyal opposition may have had some influence, I think you are overlooking general disatisfaction with Bush's performance.
By 2004, all he had to run on was the ghost of 9-11.
Most telling, by 2008, the GOP didn't run on anything he had accomplished.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Tough to call Horowitz a one time liberal considering his up bringing in a Communist home. Have you read "Radical Son"?

See?
This is exactly what I'm talking about...
Facts that aren't even in dispute suddenly become a pissing match to the death in these political threads.
By Horowitz's own admission, he was an anti-war rabid lefty.
Where exactly on the political spectrum do you think a self-styled marxist would fall? To the right?

[squirt1]

TNC- There was response for Katrina ! They had to come from Norfolk. Katrina was a cat 5 and even the Navy could not send their ships into that. That thing was sooooo huge it took up all of the Gulf on radar. Lets just skip the fact that Ray Nagen is an idiot and the blond senator and they meddled. The citizens of N Orleans were told days earlier to GET OUT !!!!!! This is not the 30-40-50s-so we can turn on the weather channel or news. Many thought gov't could save them and the stadium was a horror show.I'll bet the next time GO means GO ! But ,70 yrs from now it will happen again,if the levies hold for the city below sea level.

[The_Noble_Cause]

TNC- There was response for Katrina ! They had to come from Norfolk. Katrina was a cat 5 and even the Navy could not send their ships into that. That thing was sooooo huge it took up all of the Gulf on radar. Lets just skip the fact that Ray Nagen is an idiot and the blond senator and they meddled. The citizens of N Orleans were told days earlier to GET OUT !!!!!! This is not the 30-40-50s-so we can turn on the weather channel or news. Many thought gov't could save them and the stadium was a horror show.I'll bet the next time GO means GO ! But ,70 yrs from now it will happen again,if the levies hold for the city below sea level.

Not going to re-debate this.
Everything I needed to say on this topic can be found here:

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... order=asc&

[brywool]

Why is it that following the first terrorist attack on 9-11, everyone became so patriotic, couldn't look anywhere without seeing the Red, White and Blue. The last time I saw so much of those colors was in the summer of 1976. After about a few months following 9-11 however, the patriotism seemed to wear off and everyone turned their attention to focusing on creating conspiracy theories about it, which included but not limited to feeling bad for the terror suspects as though they were real victims?

Maybe it was because people really started to notice that everything with our government and their motives just didn't add up, or people started paying attention? Not a charge, just an opinion. Hard to wave the flag when there's so much suspicion of our leaders. Same thing happened with Vietnam. THAT was the first time that people quit waiving the flag- because stuff didn't add up. Hard to want to support them when they were going after Hussein instead of Bin Ladden. That's my take. I don't say it's right either, just my thought.

Far be it from me to have any clue what's going on with the government. I don't see how ANYONE can know what the heck's going on with them. Seems to be that whatever party you're with- yer gonna follow that rhetoric. The fact of the matter is, there's so much crap going on that nobody knows what's really going on.

Also, the whole left/right, fox/cnn, rush/ollbermann thing- in my opinion, that stuff it just having a crap effect on the country and all it is doing is dividing us. Cnn and Fox should both go off themselves and give us some IMPARTIAL news to watch. They both have their own agendas and it blows.

From what I can see on the surface, the whole Obama/healthcare thing to me seems like such a great idea. "Everyone with healthcare"- what's not to like??? But it's not as simple as that, is it? There's just so much BS out there that I absolutely have become Apolitical. I voted for Obama because it seemed like he could bring the US together. Seemed like the most intelligent and away from all the 'old men' in government thing. But- dang- I've not seen so much moaning and bitching about an office since the whole deal with Ken Star and Clinton. It's such crap... Our governmental system is seriously in a bad state these days. Why would anyone want to be part of it?

sorry, not sure what compelled me to step into this thread...

[The_Noble_Cause]

Cnn and Fox should both go off themselves and give us some IMPARTIAL news to watch. They both have their own agendas and it blows.

I think StrangeGrey and Deano are right...
With both Fox and MSNBC pursuing ideological agendas, CNN has steped into the breach to deliver mostly straight news (and their ratings have suffered because of it).
Still, even with their partisan shows, Fox and MSNBC do have some non-biased coverage.
Shep Smith delivers nightly pretty much what the major networks (ABC, CBS, NBC) have done for years - a down-the-line newscast.
I don't expect conservatives to believe this, considering they see the liberal agenda in everything from purple teletubbies to Katie Couric "insolently" asking Sarah Palin to name a newspaper.
In many ways tho, you're right.
We are reverting back to the past, where partisan journalism was the norm.