ACTUAL amount of gameplay during a typical football game...

[S2M]

12 minutes! Thats it?

I've always thought this was the case....and now I have proof.

This is amazing.....This is why football players are the most overpaid 'athletes' in the world.

http://thepensblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/nfl-gameclock-analysis.html

[Duncan]

12 minutes! Thats it?

I've always thought this was the case....and now I have proof.

This is amazing.....This is why football players are the most overpaid 'athletes' in the world.

http://thepensblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/nfl-gameclock-analysis.html

So they actually stop playing for the adverts and then restart? How does that work if you're actually at the game. You get 50 minutes of people standing about doing nothing?


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Now playing: Lucifer's Friend 2 Feat. John Lawton - Any Day Now

[lights1961]

another MC commercial...

driving to the stadium, traffic jams and parking, stadium total time 2 hours... 50.00
tailgate brats, burgers, beer, sodas, chips, before the game 2 hours... 150.00
shirts and stuff at the game 45 minutes in line. .. 190.00
tickets for the game and sitting inside the stadium 4 hours 400.00
12 minutes of action: priceless.

[Hollywood]

12 minutes! Thats it?

I've always thought this was the case....and now I have proof.

This is amazing.....This is why football players are the most overpaid 'athletes' in the world.

http://thepensblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/nfl-gameclock-analysis.html

Solution. Pay them minimum wage. It is a game after all. Who cares that their bodies are destroyed after they are done playing these 12 minutes per game. Who cares that people like Merrill Hoge have to carry around directions to their own house in their wallet because concussions made their brains cantaloupes.

Plus, with the price of tickets, concessions, merch, and TV contracts that people are willing to pay for the NFL that can all go to the owners now. Robert Kraft and Jerry Jones really could use the money. Being filthy rich just is not good enough for them. They need to be Dirty, rotten, filthy, stinkin' rich.

[Ehwmatt]

12 minutes! Thats it?

I've always thought this was the case....and now I have proof.

This is amazing.....This is why football players are the most overpaid 'athletes' in the world.

http://thepensblog.blogspot.com/2007/09/nfl-gameclock-analysis.html

Solution. Pay them minimum wage. It is a game after all. Who cares that their bodies are destroyed after they are done playing these 12 minutes per game. Who cares that people like Merrill Hoge have to carry around directions to their own house in their wallet because concussions made their brains cantaloupes.

Plus, with the price of tickets, concessions, merch, and TV contracts that people are willing to pay for the NFL that can all go to the owners now. Robert Kraft and Jerry Jones really could use the money. Being filthy rich just is not good enough for them. They need to be Dirty, rotten, filthy, stinkin' rich.

A lot of sports come out this way if you time how much the game is actually played, even sports without a clock. Baseball players shouldn't make jackshit by this standard... an outfielder stands there with his hands on his balls half the damn time.

[Zedul]

Climb into your car and run it into a brick wall over and over at 30mph for 12 minutes every Sunday and then tell me how overpaid they are compared to other athletes.

[S2M]

Climb into your car and run it into a brick wall over and over at 30mph for 12 minutes every Sunday and then tell me how overpaid they are compared to other athletes.

Its 12 minutes. I don't give a crap how much physicality they are subjected to. Especially the O and D lines. Most are fat, overweight fucks anyway. Athletes? Hell no.

[Ehwmatt]

Climb into your car and run it into a brick wall over and over at 30mph for 12 minutes every Sunday and then tell me how overpaid they are compared to other athletes.

Its 12 minutes. I don't give a crap how much physicality they are subjected to. Especially the O and D lines. Most are fat, overweight fucks anyway. Athletes? Hell no.

Yet you probably think some clown like Kevin Youkilis or David Wells are paragons of athleticism? Please.

Hitting a baseball is one of THE hardest things to do in sports, but there are a lot of guys in baseball that I'd consider "unathletic" in my sense of the word (i.e., combo of stamina, agility, speed, strength, coordination, mental toughness). Lots of "fat, overweight fucks" in baseball too... hey C.C.

[Duncan]

Hitting a baseball is one of THE hardest things to do in sports

I can vouch for that. A few years ago when visiting the US I came across a place that had some batting cages with a machine that pitched the balls at you. I set the machine to pro speed and then stood back to demonstrate how easy the game is.

Missed the first one, missed the second one, hit the third with my hand and went to hospital with two broken fingers.
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Now playing: Prism - Take Me To The Kaptin

[YoungJRNY]

Climb into your car and run it into a brick wall over and over at 30mph for 12 minutes every Sunday and then tell me how overpaid they are compared to other athletes.

Its 12 minutes. I don't give a crap how much physicality they are subjected to. Especially the O and D lines. Most are fat, overweight fucks anyway. Athletes? Hell no.

Obviously you have no idea about the game. I've been apart of many football teams and let me tell you at any level, no matter the stakes, is so demanding and the skill level and complexity of the game is so high that you leave a 2 hour practice banged, bruised, broken and exhausted to the point where you can't even think. X's and O's are one thing and is pretty much learning a different language, but the conditioning to play 4 Quarters is brutal and football players push their bodies to the limit , which includes heavy, reckless contact on anything that's asked from you. I won't even get into drills, form, and technique that puts your body in a awkward position to begin with.

Of course you'll have your skill players, but defensive lineman are anything but fat & overweight. The quickness of their hands, feet, and the way they move their body is such an art, esp that of a man weighing in over 300 pounds is just incredible. You do realize that when I say contact every play, esp that of the O and defensive lineman, that means crushing your skull into another's every "12 minutes" and for the sake of a running back/free safety, running at full sprinters speed and laying out your body into someone who out weights you by over 100 or more pounds isn't a thing to take lightly. This game is played with a reckless abandoned, is faster than you think, and the helmet, shoulder pads, and knee pads are worn for a reason. I can go on and on, but I'd bet you 20 bucks that if you would ever line up on an Oklahoma drill, you'd be running home to mommy and daddy the second that whistle is blown. And oh yeah, never mind the brutal training camps that occur within a 2 week span of 7:00 am to 5:00 pm in the hot, basking, fierce sun from above on a scolding August day.

Defensive line Drill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0oy9CAqg5c

Hits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vmc4RhCETw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfbnEtPa6BM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZO6haYRKxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rB0v1F_uQU

High School Level
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVFpRU-M ... re=related


By the way, a Boxer only fights sometimes at a minimum of 8 minutes a fight, givin' each fight never goes the distance in the first place and a boxer only gets hit with a hay maker only about 3-4 times but yet the element of death rates above a 90% for each punch to the cranium. Think about it.

MMA.. well, fights sometimes only last 20 seconds and their health is in major jeopardy.

[Ehwmatt]

Climb into your car and run it into a brick wall over and over at 30mph for 12 minutes every Sunday and then tell me how overpaid they are compared to other athletes.

Its 12 minutes. I don't give a crap how much physicality they are subjected to. Especially the O and D lines. Most are fat, overweight fucks anyway. Athletes? Hell no.

Obviously you have no idea about the game. I've been apart of many football teams and let me tell you at any level, no matter the stakes, is so demanding and the skill level and complexity of the game is so high that you leave a 2 hour practice banged, bruised, broken and exhausted to the point where you can't even think. X's and O's are one thing and is pretty much learning a different language, but the conditioning to play 4 Quarters is brutal and football players push their bodies to the limit , which includes heavy, reckless contact on anything that's asked from you. I won't even get into drills, form, and technique that puts your body in a awkward position to begin with.

Of course you'll have your skill players, but defensive lineman are anything but fat & overweight. The quickness of their hands, feet, and the way they move their body is such an art, esp that of a man weighing in over 300 pounds is just incredible. You do realize that when I say contact every play, esp that of the O and defensive lineman, that means crushing your skull into another's every "12 minutes" and for the sake of a running back/free safety, running at full sprinters speed and laying out your body into someone who out weights you by over 100 or more pounds isn't a thing to take lightly. This game is played with a reckless abandoned, is faster than you think, and the helmet, shoulder pads, and knee pads are worn for a reason. I can go on and on, but I'd bet you 20 bucks that if you would ever line up on an Oklahoma drill, you'd be running home to mommy and daddy the second that whistle is blown. And oh yeah, never mind the brutal training camps that occur within a 2 week span of 7:00 am to 5:00 pm in the hot, basking, fierce sun from above on a scolding August day.

Defensive line Drill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0oy9CAqg5c

Hits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vmc4RhCETw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfbnEtPa6BM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZO6haYRKxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rB0v1F_uQU

High School Level
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVFpRU-M ... re=related


By the way, a Boxer only fights sometimes at a minimum of 8 minutes a fight, givin' each fight never goes the distance in the first place and a boxer only gets hit with a hay maker only about 3-4 times but yet the element of death rates above a 90% for each punch to the cranium. Think about it.

MMA.. well, fights sometimes only last 20 seconds and their health is in major jeopardy.

It's really not even worth justifying this stupid argument. I remember way back in the day when Bernie Kosar came onto our bigtime local radio host the day after getting sacked a million times (Kosar was immobile+we had a notoriously bad O-line in his days). He lifted his shirt up and he was literally black and blue from his chest down to his calves and all over his back/arms. Beat to fuckin piss. Anyone who wants to say football is easy or unathletic is just a buffoon

[YoungJRNY]

Climb into your car and run it into a brick wall over and over at 30mph for 12 minutes every Sunday and then tell me how overpaid they are compared to other athletes.

Its 12 minutes. I don't give a crap how much physicality they are subjected to. Especially the O and D lines. Most are fat, overweight fucks anyway. Athletes? Hell no.

Obviously you have no idea about the game. I've been apart of many football teams and let me tell you at any level, no matter the stakes, is so demanding and the skill level and complexity of the game is so high that you leave a 2 hour practice banged, bruised, broken and exhausted to the point where you can't even think. X's and O's are one thing and is pretty much learning a different language, but the conditioning to play 4 Quarters is brutal and football players push their bodies to the limit , which includes heavy, reckless contact on anything that's asked from you. I won't even get into drills, form, and technique that puts your body in a awkward position to begin with.

Of course you'll have your skill players, but defensive lineman are anything but fat & overweight. The quickness of their hands, feet, and the way they move their body is such an art, esp that of a man weighing in over 300 pounds is just incredible. You do realize that when I say contact every play, esp that of the O and defensive lineman, that means crushing your skull into another's every "12 minutes" and for the sake of a running back/free safety, running at full sprinters speed and laying out your body into someone who out weights you by over 100 or more pounds isn't a thing to take lightly. This game is played with a reckless abandoned, is faster than you think, and the helmet, shoulder pads, and knee pads are worn for a reason. I can go on and on, but I'd bet you 20 bucks that if you would ever line up on an Oklahoma drill, you'd be running home to mommy and daddy the second that whistle is blown. And oh yeah, never mind the brutal training camps that occur within a 2 week span of 7:00 am to 5:00 pm in the hot, basking, fierce sun from above on a scolding August day.

Defensive line Drill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0oy9CAqg5c

Hits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vmc4RhCETw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfbnEtPa6BM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZO6haYRKxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rB0v1F_uQU

High School Level
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVFpRU-M ... re=related


By the way, a Boxer only fights sometimes at a minimum of 8 minutes a fight, givin' each fight never goes the distance in the first place and a boxer only gets hit with a hay maker only about 3-4 times but yet the element of death rates above a 90% for each punch to the cranium. Think about it.

MMA.. well, fights sometimes only last 20 seconds and their health is in major jeopardy.

It's really not even worth justifying this stupid argument. I remember way back in the day when Bernie Kosar came onto our bigtime local radio host the day after getting sacked a million times (Kosar was immobile+we had a notoriously bad O-line in his days). He lifted his shirt up and he was literally black and blue from his chest down to his calves and all over his back/arms. Beat to fuckin piss. Anyone who wants to say football is easy or unathletic is just a buffoon

They had a skit on ESPN back in 2001 about Jerome Bettis, and what it was like for a football player a day after the game. It was truly heart numbing trying to watch the man do a simply thing like walking up the stairs. He couldn't even bend his knee to the point to elevate himself up a 2inch step. Unreal what these bodies can endure. Why do you think these athletes take these substances just to compete on a day to day basis?

[Ehwmatt]

It's the same reason some of them pound booze all the time too like Kosar... they hurt so bad.

My sister's boyfriend's dad is a former NFL player and the guy just got both his knees basically replaced... he could barely walk before.

I also ran into Jim Brown last time I was traveling at the airport, guy looks like he's got shrapnel still lodged in his fuckin legs.

[YoungJRNY]

It's the same reason some of them pound booze all the time too like Kosar... they hurt so bad.

My sister's boyfriend's dad is a former NFL player and the guy just got both his knees basically replaced... he could barely walk before.

I also ran into Jim Brown last time I was traveling at the airport, guy looks like he's got shrapnel still lodged in his fuckin legs.

You figure the average career span for a average NFL player is 7-10 years. Aside from Brett Favre, kickers, and just freaks of nature, these players tend to ask for the big contract, hold out from training camp because that next play/year is not guaranteed and serious injury could prevent them all their hard work and miss out on making the big bucks knowing that it's a 10 years tops business anyhow, so the window is as small as it is to make as much money as possible while giving your body to the devil so to speak. Football isn't a sport meant to be played forever, and NFL athletes know this.

As far as baseball players and hitting a baseball, I tend to agree to only a small portion of the point. Yes, hitting a baseball is probably one of the toughest things to do, but I am a firm believer of repetition, and no matter how bad a batter is, repetition could lead to many hits and skill at a pro level. A fast ball will always be a fast ball, and a curve will always be a curve. The more and more you prepare for those pitches, the better hand eye and timing coordination comes into play, and baseball is all about recycling the same material. It's just a little chess match more than anything.. more mental than anything else that includes the same repetitive plays.

Football is changing at all times, there is so many things to prepare for that things get confusing in a matter of a simple formation, and to top it off, all 11 guys have an assignment, and only if 10 guys do EXACTLY what their supposed to, then the whole play crumbles and it's back to the drawing board. Yes, you could have repetition throughout the week of practice for football when it comes to fundamentals, but whatever you did the week before as to preparing for the next team will be thrown out the door and new assignments are withheld, so you must be on your toes at all times during the coarse of the season. Game plans are tremendous week in and week out and if you miss one assignment, you could never catch back up, unless you study the playbook for hours but even that does little wanders for an offense, esp since the defense is never set until the ball is snapped so they show more than one look and a football players knowledge better set in within seconds to adjust.

[ProgRocker53]

Climb into your car and run it into a brick wall over and over at 30mph for 12 minutes every Sunday and then tell me how overpaid they are compared to other athletes.

Its 12 minutes. I don't give a crap how much physicality they are subjected to. Especially the O and D lines. Most are fat, overweight fucks anyway. Athletes? Hell no.

Obviously you have no idea about the game. I've been apart of many football teams and let me tell you at any level, no matter the stakes, is so demanding and the skill level and complexity of the game is so high that you leave a 2 hour practice banged, bruised, broken and exhausted to the point where you can't even think. X's and O's are one thing and is pretty much learning a different language, but the conditioning to play 4 Quarters is brutal and football players push their bodies to the limit , which includes heavy, reckless contact on anything that's asked from you. I won't even get into drills, form, and technique that puts your body in a awkward position to begin with.

Of course you'll have your skill players, but defensive lineman are anything but fat & overweight. The quickness of their hands, feet, and the way they move their body is such an art, esp that of a man weighing in over 300 pounds is just incredible. You do realize that when I say contact every play, esp that of the O and defensive lineman, that means crushing your skull into another's every "12 minutes" and for the sake of a running back/free safety, running at full sprinters speed and laying out your body into someone who out weights you by over 100 or more pounds isn't a thing to take lightly. This game is played with a reckless abandoned, is faster than you think, and the helmet, shoulder pads, and knee pads are worn for a reason. I can go on and on, but I'd bet you 20 bucks that if you would ever line up on an Oklahoma drill, you'd be running home to mommy and daddy the second that whistle is blown. And oh yeah, never mind the brutal training camps that occur within a 2 week span of 7:00 am to 5:00 pm in the hot, basking, fierce sun from above on a scolding August day.

Defensive line Drill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0oy9CAqg5c

Hits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vmc4RhCETw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfbnEtPa6BM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZO6haYRKxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rB0v1F_uQU

High School Level
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVFpRU-M ... re=related


By the way, a Boxer only fights sometimes at a minimum of 8 minutes a fight, givin' each fight never goes the distance in the first place and a boxer only gets hit with a hay maker only about 3-4 times but yet the element of death rates above a 90% for each punch to the cranium. Think about it.

MMA.. well, fights sometimes only last 20 seconds and their health is in major jeopardy.

I read STM's post before work this morning and didn't have enough time to rant. I just got off, planning to reply to this first thing when I got home, and then I saw you did.

You've pretty much taken all the words right out of my mouth and head. Having been an offensive and defensive lineman for more than half my life, all the way up to the college level, I must say that in no way am I a "fat, unathletic fuck" and that most of the guys I lined up with, are in really good shape. They're just naturally big guys, or very muscular. When I was in a football game, I wouldn't stop moving. The only time I would be still would be in the huddle. I'd sprint to the line of scrimmage, play hard during the play, and was always running around on the sidelines. Football's a hard sport, it's not for everybody and anyone who doubts the athleticism of a typical NFL player is asinine.

[YoungJRNY]

Climb into your car and run it into a brick wall over and over at 30mph for 12 minutes every Sunday and then tell me how overpaid they are compared to other athletes.

Its 12 minutes. I don't give a crap how much physicality they are subjected to. Especially the O and D lines. Most are fat, overweight fucks anyway. Athletes? Hell no.

Obviously you have no idea about the game. I've been apart of many football teams and let me tell you at any level, no matter the stakes, is so demanding and the skill level and complexity of the game is so high that you leave a 2 hour practice banged, bruised, broken and exhausted to the point where you can't even think. X's and O's are one thing and is pretty much learning a different language, but the conditioning to play 4 Quarters is brutal and football players push their bodies to the limit , which includes heavy, reckless contact on anything that's asked from you. I won't even get into drills, form, and technique that puts your body in a awkward position to begin with.

Of course you'll have your skill players, but defensive lineman are anything but fat & overweight. The quickness of their hands, feet, and the way they move their body is such an art, esp that of a man weighing in over 300 pounds is just incredible. You do realize that when I say contact every play, esp that of the O and defensive lineman, that means crushing your skull into another's every "12 minutes" and for the sake of a running back/free safety, running at full sprinters speed and laying out your body into someone who out weights you by over 100 or more pounds isn't a thing to take lightly. This game is played with a reckless abandoned, is faster than you think, and the helmet, shoulder pads, and knee pads are worn for a reason. I can go on and on, but I'd bet you 20 bucks that if you would ever line up on an Oklahoma drill, you'd be running home to mommy and daddy the second that whistle is blown. And oh yeah, never mind the brutal training camps that occur within a 2 week span of 7:00 am to 5:00 pm in the hot, basking, fierce sun from above on a scolding August day.

Defensive line Drill

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0oy9CAqg5c

Hits
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Vmc4RhCETw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfbnEtPa6BM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZO6haYRKxU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rB0v1F_uQU

High School Level
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVFpRU-M ... re=related


By the way, a Boxer only fights sometimes at a minimum of 8 minutes a fight, givin' each fight never goes the distance in the first place and a boxer only gets hit with a hay maker only about 3-4 times but yet the element of death rates above a 90% for each punch to the cranium. Think about it.

MMA.. well, fights sometimes only last 20 seconds and their health is in major jeopardy.

I read STM's post before work this morning and didn't have enough time to rant. I just got off, planning to reply to this first thing when I got home, and then I saw you did.

You've pretty much taken all the words right out of my mouth and head. Having been an offensive and defensive lineman for more than half my life, all the way up to the college level, I must say that in no way am I a "fat, unathletic fuck" and that most of the guys I lined up with, are in really good shape. They're just naturally big guys, or very muscular. When I was in a football game, I wouldn't stop moving. The only time I would be still would be in the huddle. I'd sprint to the line of scrimmage, play hard during the play, and was always running around on the sidelines. Football's a hard sport, it's not for everybody and anyone who doubts the athleticism of a typical NFL player is asinine.

What people don't realize is that just because the image of a bigger man and an offensive lineman isn't cut and ripped to shreds, doesn't mean that person isn't in shape. Come to think of it, in summers leading up to football season, me and a couple of my buddies, who were both offensive tackles, would run about 3 miles every other day to keep up with our leg condition, and I was always impressed by that. I knew a lot of lineman who were more in shape than the backfield believe it or not! Football is a game that's played in the trenches.. so who do you think is dog fighting in the trenches play in and play out? Not overweight, unathletic fucks.

[Blueskies]

I agree with you and Prog. Just because someone may have bulk doesn't mean they aren't in good athletic condition. A skinny guy could go out on the field and physically exert themselves in the same way as a big guy and fall flat on their faces within a couple minutes from utter exhaustion. It all depends on physical conditioning and being muscular isn't necessarily an indicator of athletic ability.