October 15th

[Angel]

Today is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Day, at 7 pm, please light a candle in rememberance of those who have lost a baby....

[Behshad]

Today is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Day, at 7 pm, please light a candle in rememberance of those who have lost a baby....

I thought today was the national grouch day ???

I dont need a special day on the calendar though to remember the 2 babies Ive lost....

[Angel]

Today is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Day, at 7 pm, please light a candle in rememberance of those who have lost a baby....

I thought today was the national grouch day ???

I dont need a special day on the calendar though to remember the 2 babies Ive lost....

I know you don't B....nor do I, but it's a time when others can show their support for those that have gone through such a terrible tragedy....

[Saint John]

Today is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Day, at 7 pm, please light a candle in rememberance of those who have lost a baby....

And just exactly what the fuck is that going to do?!?! Perhaps picking up the fucking phone and calling someone with a few kind words is a bit better idea. I could light 44 candles and stick them all in my asshole, but that's not really going to accomplish anything other than burning my ass hairs and giving me a rectum the size of George Michael's. Not yelling at you, Nat. More so, ranting about these stupid fucking "days" for everything imaginable. When is it "Grab a shovel and beat your rude hillbilly neighbor to death day"? Because I want in.

[Rhiannon]

Today is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Day, at 7 pm, please light a candle in rememberance of those who have lost a baby....

And just exactly what the fuck is that going to do?!?! Perhaps picking up the fucking phone and calling someone with a few kind words is a bit better idea. I could light 44 candles and stick them all in my asshole, but that's not really going to accomplish anything other than burning my ass hairs and giving me a rectum the size of George Michael's. Not yelling at you, Nat. More so, ranting about these stupid fucking "days" for everything imaginable. When is it "Grab a shovel and beat your rude hillbilly neighbor to death day"? Because I want in.

Geeze, it's just a symbolic gesture of support and good will. Which the world could use a hell of a lot more of. I don't think anybody's gonna call up their friend and go, "Hey, remember that time you had a miscarriage? Well... I'm really sorry that happened, and if you want to talk about it, I'm here for you." There's nothing wrong with a little compassion, even if it seems silly to you.

[Michigan Girl]

Today is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Day, at 7 pm, please light a candle in rememberance of those who have lost a baby....

And just exactly what the fuck is that going to do?!?! Perhaps picking up the fucking phone and calling someone with a few kind words is a bit better idea. I could light 44 candles and stick them all in my asshole, but that's not really going to accomplish anything other than burning my ass hairs and giving me a rectum the size of George Michael's. Not yelling at you, Nat. More so, ranting about these stupid fucking "days" for everything imaginable. When is it "Grab a shovel and beat your rude hillbilly neighbor to death day"? Because I want in.

Geeze, it's just a symbolic gesture of support and good will. Which the world could use a hell of a lot more of. I don't think anybody's gonna call up their friend and go, "Hey, remember that time you had a miscarriage? Well... I'm really sorry that happened, and if you want to talk about it, I'm here for you." There's nothing wrong with a little compassion, even if it seems silly to you.

I know...I'd be glad to help him shove candles up his ass!!!

[portland]

Today is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Day, at 7 pm, please light a candle in rememberance of those who have lost a baby....

And just exactly what the fuck is that going to do?!?! Perhaps picking up the fucking phone and calling someone with a few kind words is a bit better idea. I could light 44 candles and stick them all in my asshole, but that's not really going to accomplish anything other than burning my ass hairs and giving me a rectum the size of George Michael's. Not yelling at you, Nat. More so, ranting about these stupid fucking "days" for everything imaginable. When is it "Grab a shovel and beat your rude hillbilly neighbor to death day"? Because I want in.

Geeze, it's just a symbolic gesture of support and good will. Which the world could use a hell of a lot more of. I don't think anybody's gonna call up their friend and go, "Hey, remember that time you had a miscarriage? Well... I'm really sorry that happened, and if you want to talk about it, I'm here for you." There's nothing wrong with a little compassion, even if it seems silly to you.

I know...I'd be glad to help him shove candles up his ass!!!

Ok I have the lighter....just show me where!!!

[Saint John]

Geeze, it's just a symbolic gesture of support and good will.

Lighting a candle in my house isn't going to affect anyone or be seen by anyone, so I really don't see the point. And if I light it outside I'm pretty sure the wind will blow it out. But, go ahead, light as many as you'd like.

[epresley]

Today is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Day, at 7 pm, please light a candle in rememberance of those who have lost a baby....

I thought today was the national grouch day ???

I dont need a special day on the calendar though to remember the 2 babies Ive lost....

I know you don't B....nor do I, but it's a time when others can show their support for those that have gone through such a terrible tragedy....

I'll do it Angel-

[Deb]

Today is Pregnancy and Infant Loss Awareness Day, at 7 pm, please light a candle in rememberance of those who have lost a baby....

And just exactly what the fuck is that going to do?!?! Perhaps picking up the fucking phone and calling someone with a few kind words is a bit better idea. I could light 44 candles and stick them all in my asshole, but that's not really going to accomplish anything other than burning my ass hairs and giving me a rectum the size of George Michael's. Not yelling at you, Nat. More so, ranting about these stupid fucking "days" for everything imaginable. When is it "Grab a shovel and beat your rude hillbilly neighbor to death day"? Because I want in.

Geeze, it's just a symbolic gesture of support and good will. Which the world could use a hell of a lot more of. I don't think anybody's gonna call up their friend and go, "Hey, remember that time you had a miscarriage? Well... I'm really sorry that happened, and if you want to talk about it, I'm here for you." There's nothing wrong with a little compassion, even if it seems silly to you.

I know...I'd be glad to help him shove candles up his ass!!!

Girly, ya got warn me when you throw posts like that down. Actually made laugh out loud in my office here!

[Rhiannon]

I really don't see the point.

Because at the root of it, it helps the person doing it. Selfless compassion for others through quiet introspection gives way to love and understanding which is itself the saving grace of humanity. I'm not a candle lighter, but these things remind me to stop and think, try to be kinder to the grump on the street because I don't know what hell he may be in or what he's gone through.

If you don't get it, that's fine. I don't see the point in mocking others who do though.

[Angel]

Seriously????? SERIOUSLY???????? In THIS thread? You really need to do this?????????

[bluejeangirl76]

I'm not a candle lighter, but these things remind me to stop and think, try to be kinder to the grump on the street because I don't know what hell he may be in or what he's gone through.

This is true. The manager at a local diner was seating me and a couple family members this one day... he looks at me and goes "Come on look happy!" because I must have looked grumpy... I had a seriously good reason for looking grumpy and I wasn't about to get into it with this guy. But then once we were seated, he came back and said "have we cheered up over here?" or something on that line.

So I thought ok, this guy needs to learn to shut it and I told him why I was not cheery. "Excuse me but my dad just passed away two days ago and we've just come from making arrangements at the cemetery." I hope that taught him to stop making comments like that to unhappy looking people.

As a matter of fact... I kind of did something like that recently and I think it's time to go apologize to that person.

You just don't know what's going on with people unless they tell you, so it's probably a good idea to shut up a minute first.

As for that Fleshlight picture - extremely poor taste and uncalled for in a topic where someone is trying to talk about something serious like losing babies.

[Saint John]

As for that Fleshlight picture - extremely poor taste and uncalled for in a topic where someone is trying to talk about something serious like losing babies.

I totally disagree. Making people sad or trying to coax them into reflection on a music site's off topic thread is a bit silly. I think Nat's a great person and this has nothing to do with her, but these sort of topics really have no place here. Perhaps Andrew could start a "Lifetime" thread for sad stuff...I don't know.

[Ehwmatt]

As for that Fleshlight picture - extremely poor taste and uncalled for in a topic where someone is trying to talk about something serious like losing babies.

I totally disagree. Making people sad or trying to coax them into reflection on a music site's off topic thread is a bit silly. I think Nat's a great person and this has nothing to do with her, but these sort of topics really have no place here. Perhaps Andrew could start a "Lifetime" thread for sad stuff...I don't know.

How many "serious" topics get the same kinda shit posted in them. It's all in good fun, a little humor to lighten up a somber topic. I mean what is there to talk about? My aunt has miscarried twice, it's nothing to fuck around with, but what are you supposed to say past that? What are we going to do, light virtual candles?

[bluejeangirl76]

As for that Fleshlight picture - extremely poor taste and uncalled for in a topic where someone is trying to talk about something serious like losing babies.

I totally disagree. Making people sad or trying to coax them into reflection on a music site's off topic thread is a bit silly. I think Nat's a great person and this has nothing to do with her, but these sort of topics really have no place here. Perhaps Andrew could start a "Lifetime" thread for sad stuff...I don't know.

Whaaaaaat?? For the second time today - it's a non-specific, general forum for anything that doesn't fit in the other forums here. That was the POINT in Andrew creating it - too keep all this off topic stuff out of the other boards, specifically the Journey board where the biggest problem was. So how can anything in a general forum be out of place? All of a sudden you guys are whining that something does not belong in the OT forum? That is WHY it's an OT forum! This is just ridiculous.

[Ehwmatt]

As for that Fleshlight picture - extremely poor taste and uncalled for in a topic where someone is trying to talk about something serious like losing babies.

I totally disagree. Making people sad or trying to coax them into reflection on a music site's off topic thread is a bit silly. I think Nat's a great person and this has nothing to do with her, but these sort of topics really have no place here. Perhaps Andrew could start a "Lifetime" thread for sad stuff...I don't know.

Whaaaaaat?? For the second time today - it's a non-specific, general forum for anything that doesn't fit in the other forums here. That was the POINT in Andrew creating it - too keep all this off topic stuff out of the other boards, specifically the Journey board where the biggest problem was. So how can anything in a general forum be out of place? All of a sudden you guys are whining that something does not belong in the OT forum? That is WHY it's an OT forum! This is just ridiculous.

Post anything you want. I won't speak for Dan, but my point is what's the point? What are we going to do, have a virtual moment of silence?

[Saint John]

Whaaaaaat?? For the second time today - it's a non-specific, general forum for anything that doesn't fit in the other forums here. That was the POINT in Andrew creating it - too keep all this off topic stuff out of the other boards, specifically the Journey board where the biggest problem was. So how can anything in a general forum be out of place? All of a sudden you guys are whining that something does not belong in the OT forum? That is WHY it's an OT forum! This is just ridiculous.

Matt hit it right on the fucking head...what's the point?!?! Reminding me of circumstances completely out of my control is a dead end thread. There's really nothing to discuss about it, either. Lula had a much more practical approach...a message in her signature.

Honestly, if someone here went through a specific tragedy, well, then, yeah, we're like a big dysfunctional family here and it would make sense, and their would be support. But just because it's off topic doesn't mean that it makes sense to here. Fine, I'll start a thread that it should be a new ammendment to legally storm the Playboy Mansion, tie up the bunnies and have days long bukkake parties. It fits your stupid criteria!

[StoneCold]

So how can anything in a general forum be out of place?

This thread has good intentions (summed up well by Rhiannon). I have no problem with it but to criticize SJ for criticizing it is pointless. We're entitled to our opinions about any topic. Men don't feel as strongly about this since we don't carry and bear children. Lighting a candle sounds like new age mantra if the loss wasn't personally experienced.

Did Matt cross the line with the pic? That's where expectations come in. I'm guessing Angel wanted a solemn discourse without derailing. In that respect, the thread IS in the wrong place. Not 'cause of the topic but the nature of MROT. Its a free for all where derailing is par for the course.

Also you're encountering folks with different goals and moods when posting. Some don't want to be told to light a candle for anything and will tell you that. My issue with the bDay's was there were 3 of them piled up at the top when I logged in. Smacked of BT is all.