Journey's next CD to be a CONCEPT album...

[ScarabGator]

Oh God....this will end up like that time Peter Griffin did that Christmas album....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Msh8jKd10c

[Angel]

Oh God....this will end up like that time Peter Griffin did that Christmas album....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Msh8jKd10c

[conversationpc]

If they could do something along the lines of Boston's "Third Stage", for instance, I'd be all for it.

[jestor92]

Concept album about a man who find a woman they fall in love, split, grow tired of being alone and miss each other then fall back in love and live happily ever after.

It's Journey for crying out loud with Jon Cain who has been writing the same kind of song since about 1987. It hasn't changed in 23 years it isn't changing now. The only difference is they're gonna try to build an album around a story are a song like Don't Stop Believin.

[JasonD]

Oh God....this will end up like that time Peter Griffin did that Christmas album....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Msh8jKd10c

Oh man, I haven't seen that in forever! I love when he sings, "Holy crap here comes Jesus..."

[YoungJRNY]

So, everyone is mad that "they live off of the dirty dozen" and want to see something "new" and head toward a "new direction." Never Walk Away is a "rip off" of BGTY and they just keep re-hashing the past of their old music and just change the lyrics. They must be "lazy." But once that is revealed that they are going in a different direction to get away from it for an album, it's bad that they won't be "living off the dirty dozen" and "shouldn't try something new" because a concept album "isn't their sound." Whatev.

Bring it on, I'll buy a fuckin Mozart Journey album.

[S2M]

So, everyone is mad that "they live off of the dirty dozen" and want to see something "new" and head toward a "new direction." Never Walk Away is a "rip off" of BGTY and they just keep re-hashing the past of their old music and just change the lyrics. They must be "lazy." But once that is revealed that they are going in a different direction to get away from it for an album, it's bad that they won't be "living off the dirty dozen" and "shouldn't try something new" because a concept album "isn't their sound." Whatev.

Bring it on, I'll buy a fuckin Mozart Journey album.

Agreed....gotta have something to do since Pitt didn't make the playoffs, and football season is a long ways off....

[YoungJRNY]

So, everyone is mad that "they live off of the dirty dozen" and want to see something "new" and head toward a "new direction." Never Walk Away is a "rip off" of BGTY and they just keep re-hashing the past of their old music and just change the lyrics. They must be "lazy." But once that is revealed that they are going in a different direction to get away from it for an album, it's bad that they won't be "living off the dirty dozen" and "shouldn't try something new" because a concept album "isn't their sound." Whatev.

Bring it on, I'll buy a fuckin Mozart Journey album.

Agreed....gotta have something to do since Pitt didn't make the playoffs, and football season is a long ways off....

Already got the days counted down, my brother. April's draft starts the new NFL season!

[S2M]

So, everyone is mad that "they live off of the dirty dozen" and want to see something "new" and head toward a "new direction." Never Walk Away is a "rip off" of BGTY and they just keep re-hashing the past of their old music and just change the lyrics. They must be "lazy." But once that is revealed that they are going in a different direction to get away from it for an album, it's bad that they won't be "living off the dirty dozen" and "shouldn't try something new" because a concept album "isn't their sound." Whatev.

Bring it on, I'll buy a fuckin Mozart Journey album.

Agreed....gotta have something to do since Pitt didn't make the playoffs, and football season is a long ways off....

Already got the days counted down, my brother. April's draft starts the new NFL season!

Welcome to the New England Invitational.....Peppers, Deion Branch, a healthy Welker.....another off season for Brady to get his full leg potential back. Edelman a year wiser.....


Again, I welcome you to the New England Invitational....

[YoungJRNY]

So, everyone is mad that "they live off of the dirty dozen" and want to see something "new" and head toward a "new direction." Never Walk Away is a "rip off" of BGTY and they just keep re-hashing the past of their old music and just change the lyrics. They must be "lazy." But once that is revealed that they are going in a different direction to get away from it for an album, it's bad that they won't be "living off the dirty dozen" and "shouldn't try something new" because a concept album "isn't their sound." Whatev.

Bring it on, I'll buy a fuckin Mozart Journey album.

Agreed....gotta have something to do since Pitt didn't make the playoffs, and football season is a long ways off....

Already got the days counted down, my brother. April's draft starts the new NFL season!

Welcome to the New England Invitational.....Peppers, Deion Branch, a healthy Welker.....another off season for Brady to get his full leg potential back. Edelman a year wiser.....


Again, I welcome you to the New England Invitational....

I think Peppers will end up in Philly, but that's just a fit I think would be perfect. Welker is going to have problems with that leg that could damper his shifting motion and Brady looked clueless this year when faced with pressure. New England is lucky they've been playing in a crap division with no competition during their run, but the crop is growing in the East, where ultimately won't do N.E any good, who had major questions on the defense side of the ball, but we'll wait until August to start the NFL thread.

*Back on topic*

[Rick]

If they could do something along the lines of Boston's "Third Stage", for instance, I'd be all for it.

That's the only "concept" album, aside from Pink Floyd maybe, that I care about. Love that one. Cool The Engines is a great song.

[lights1961]

So, everyone is mad that "they live off of the dirty dozen" and want to see something "new" and head toward a "new direction." Never Walk Away is a "rip off" of BGTY and they just keep re-hashing the past of their old music and just change the lyrics. They must be "lazy." But once that is revealed that they are going in a different direction to get away from it for an album, it's bad that they won't be "living off the dirty dozen" and "shouldn't try something new" because a concept album "isn't their sound." Whatev.

Bring it on, I'll buy a fuckin Mozart Journey album.

thats been JRNY's issue since they hired Augeri in 1998... THE DIRTY DOZEN... concept concept... just put out good songs and the rest will fall into place.

[steveo777]

When I think "concept album' I think of Alice Cooper and his 1975 album - Welcome To My Nightmare.

On a side note, he was on TV the other day next to his beautiful wife. I had no idea he'd been married for 33 years. Great job!

[AlteredDNA]

If they could do something along the lines of Boston's "Third Stage", for instance, I'd be all for it.

That's the only "concept" album, aside from Pink Floyd maybe, that I care about. Love that one. Cool The Engines is a great song.

[Rick]

If they could do something along the lines of Boston's "Third Stage", for instance, I'd be all for it.

That's the only "concept" album, aside from Pink Floyd maybe, that I care about. Love that one. Cool The Engines is a great song.

Dammit. Good call.

[squirt1]

The dirty dozen have Perry's writing input + performances that made them hits. Anything they have done since is sappy and fades.

[stevew2]

Oh God....this will end up like that time Peter Griffin did that Christmas album....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Msh8jKd10c

Oh man, I haven't seen that in forever! I love when he sings, "Holy crap here comes Jesus..."

Leave Jesus out of it, Journey trying something different is fine, a whole concept cd means no sales and no intrerests in that Cd. Neal must be hittin the bottle and friga is again suckin a dick .

[Rockindeano]

If Schon and Friggy Wiggy attempt to do a concept album, aka, a serious album, good luck. They have written maybe 2 or 3 serious songs in their entire Journey career. Maybe One More, Mother Father, Rubicon and Out of Harm's Way. They aren't deep enough to write an effort that takes on a real life experience. I hope Friggy knows this new album can't contain the 3 minute sap that will obviously include "saving grace", "precious moments" and "fading photographs." A few concept albums come immediately to mind; Quadrophenia, dealing with restless youth and The Rising (911), are both heavy and well written. I am curious to see how good a songwriter Friggy really is. I wouldn't be surprised if this idea gets scrapped in favour of the recycled pop Journey sound and lyrics that these guys can write in their sleep. I don' think Friggy will risk his legacy as a rhyming poppy writer and try for something serious at age of 50+ or so. As mentioned before, if a band does do a concept album, they usually have to play 80% of it or so in concert-not all of it, but most of it, in order to get the point across. The Journey fan won't like it. They are too impatient to wait for the Dozen and IMO, used to the shallow happy lyrics and can' associate Journey with a serious 'concept' delivery. Think back to the 3.5 hour Generations tour, or the first 2 weeks of it, when they tried testing the audiences patience and it failed miserably. That was scrapped after 6 shows and the same ol returned once again. Pop hits, one after another. This will be worse, far worse. Unless of course they record a concept album but don't play it live; Props to Schon for at least thinking of doing something like this, but the money says A) it won' happen or B) it won't work. He always has ideas and he always says the next album will rock, but it never ever happens that way does it?

[Monker]

So, everyone is mad that "they live off of the dirty dozen" and want to see something "new" and head toward a "new direction." Never Walk Away is a "rip off" of BGTY and they just keep re-hashing the past of their old music and just change the lyrics. They must be "lazy." But once that is revealed that they are going in a different direction to get away from it for an album, it's bad that they won't be "living off the dirty dozen" and "shouldn't try something new" because a concept album "isn't their sound." Whatev.

Bring it on, I'll buy a fuckin Mozart Journey album.

Journey has a split personality. On the one face they fire a guy who is sposed to be taking the band in a 'new direction'...and hire a guy who has has made it his forte to sing like Perry, and other singers....and they rerecord their past 'hits' and claim to be into the 'legacy sound'. Now, with the same lineup, their other face claims to want to ditch the legacy sound and 'do something new' because people are listening.

What a bunch of crazy, hopeless, bullshit. They should write and record what is in their hearts and souls, and stop the damn head games and $ chasing. It's just music...and music from a band that is almost 30yrs past its prime even.

And, BTW, Neal talked about doing a concept album about 10yrs ago...whatever.

[Rockindeano]

The dirty dozen have Perry's writing input + performances that made them hits. Anything they have done since is sappy and fades.

To be fair, Perry really didn't write deep, meaningful lyrics either. DSB and The Party's over is definitely not a conceptual idea. That's ok too, but we can' blame Friggy alone for the Band's poppy shallow legacy. Steve isn't innocent in this argument. Mother Father was and is great. A mature, deep tune. Notice fans really love that song, but it doesn't flow well in concert? They are going to have huge problems in a live setting if they do this.

[stevew2]

If Schon and Friggy Wiggy attempt to do a concept album, aka, a serious album, good luck. They have written maybe 2 or 3 serious songs in their entire Journey career. Maybe One More, Mother Father, Rubicon and Out of Harm's Way. They aren't deep enough to write an effort that takes on a real life experience. I hope Friggy knows this new album can't contain the 3 minute sap that will obviously include "saving grace", "precious moments" and "fading photographs." A few concept albums come immediately to mind; Quadrophenia, dealing with restless youth and The Rising (911), are both heavy and well written. I am curious to see how good a songwriter Friggy really is. I wouldn't be surprised if this idea gets scrapped in favour of the recycled pop Journey sound and lyrics that these guys can write in their sleep. I don' think Friggy will risk his legacy as a rhyming poppy writer and try for something serious at age of 50+ or so. As mentioned before, if a band does do a concept album, they usually have to play 80% of it or so in concert-not all of it, but most of it, in order to get the point across. The Journey fan won't like it. They are too impatient to wait for the Dozen and IMO, used to the shallow happy lyrics and can' associate Journey with a serious 'concept' delivery. Think back to the 3.5 hour Generations tour, or the first 2 weeks of it, when they tried testing the audiences patience and it failed miserably. That was scrapped after 6 shows and the same ol returned once again. Pop hits, one after another. This will be worse, far worse. Unless of course they record a concept album but don't play it live; Props to Schon for at least thinking of doing something like this, but the money says A) it won' happen or B) it won't work. He always has ideas and he always says the next album will rock, but it never ever happens that way does it?

That was fuckin deep, and I agree totally , Im amazed you took the time to say all that shit , and good spelling to,rock on

[verslibre]

:shock:

"Neal Schon says...

"I think it's going to be a very musical record and I have a cool thing to write about. But I don't want to reveal too much because somebody will steal it.

Suuuuuure...

[Saint John]

I think Neal has a new conceptual idea. And that's why I think everyone may be misunderstanding the idea of a "conceptual" album. I'm guessing the concept is based around a new and clever way to move units. Otherwise, a conceptual album with no label is probably gonna be a huge flop.

*I* had the potentially innovative idea of giving out the CD with a purchase of a movie ticket to see the new movie about Arnel (Don't Stop Believin': Everyman's Journey). This, however, would be a huge risk because sales would hinge solely on people coming to the show to see it ... and that's assuming it even makes the theatres. You charge $15 and give away the CD with a paid admission. If it works it's genius, and if it doesn't you're totally screwed.

[Jana]

So, everyone is mad that "they live off of the dirty dozen" and want to see something "new" and head toward a "new direction." Never Walk Away is a "rip off" of BGTY and they just keep re-hashing the past of their old music and just change the lyrics. They must be "lazy." But once that is revealed that they are going in a different direction to get away from it for an album, it's bad that they won't be "living off the dirty dozen" and "shouldn't try something new" because a concept album "isn't their sound." Whatev.

Bring it on, I'll buy a fuckin Mozart Journey album.

Journey has a split personality. On the one face they fire a guy who is sposed to be taking the band in a 'new direction'...and hire a guy who has has made it his forte to sing like Perry, and other singers....and they rerecord their past 'hits' and claim to be into the 'legacy sound'. Now, with the same lineup, their other face claims to want to ditch the legacy sound and 'do something new' because people are listening.

What a bunch of crazy, hopeless, bullshit. They should write and record what is in their hearts and souls, and stop the damn head games and $ chasing. It's just music...and music from a band that is almost 30yrs past its prime even.

And, BTW, Neal talked about doing a concept album about 10yrs ago...whatever.

I agree with the bolded part. If he truly has a great idea for this album, then I'm all on board, but if it's misguided like his Generations album, then I would rather they do what you said in writing music. I want some great hooks and some great Journey music that makes me want to play the CD over and over, with a Journey sound, but an evolved sound for sure.

[Jana]

The dirty dozen have Perry's writing input + performances that made them hits. Anything they have done since is sappy and fades.

Not.