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Postby TRAGChick » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:14 am

Yup. :evil:

Leave it to my State to halt somebody trying to do something with his Life,
gifted with genius.

GO CT!! :roll:

Prodigy, 13, claims age discrimination by UConn
By STEPHEN SINGER, Associated Press Writer – Thu Mar 25, 3:57 pm ET

STORRS, Conn. – Even at 13, Colin Carlson believes he's running out of time.

Colin is a sophomore at the University of Connecticut, seeking a bachelor's degree in ecology and evolutionary biology and another in environmental studies. But he's been knocked off course by the university's rejection of his request to take a class that includes summer field work in South Africa.

He and his mother say university officials told them he is too young for the overseas course. So he's filed an age discrimination claim with the university and U.S. Department of Education, which is investigating.

"I'm losing time in my four-year plan for college," he said. "They're upsetting the framework of one of my majors."

Michael Kirk, a spokesman for UConn, would not comment on Colin's case. But he said that generally, safety is the university's first concern when travel is involved.

The university would not let Colin enroll, even after his mother, Jessica Offir, offered to release UConn from liability and accompany her son as a chaperone at her own expense, she and Colin said.

Colin was 2 or 3 when he began reading on his own, Offir said, and was up to "Harry Potter" by the time he was 4. An only child, he has faced trouble before because of his brainpower. His kindergarten teacher would not allow him to take books with him at nap time, and he was ridiculed by other children who fired math questions at him to entertain themselves, she said.

"You have no idea what kids like this experience," Offir said.

Colin skipped two grades in public school and began taking psychology, history and other courses at UConn when he was 9. He graduated from Stanford University Online High School at age 11, and soon after enrolled full-time at UConn.

"I'm actually like any other student, he said.
:arrow: "The faculty and students have better things to do than worry about a 13-year-old holding his own."

Over the years, Colin, who said he is fascinated by natural ecosystems, has traveled extensively. He has gone sea kayaking off Nova Scotia and Ecuador, hiked in numerous national parks and, with his mother, has traveled across the U.S. by car.

"It's important to have a very wide world view," he said. "Biology is fundamentally about the diversity of life, with a focus across the planet."
Colin says the course in conservation work in South Africa would have been critical to his studies and the rejection has forced him to change his thesis plans.

He said that once he's completed his undergraduate studies, he wants a Ph.D. in ecology and evolutionary biology and a degree in environmental law for a career in conservation science. He intends to earn the two degrees by age 22.

Carl Schlichting, a professor of ecology and evolutionary biology who has taught Colin in two courses, said he is not only an outstanding student, but is unusually certain for a 13-year-old about where he is headed professionally.

"He has very strong ideas about what he wants to do," he said. "His self-confidence is very high. It's a very unusual package to see the intellect and confidence at that age."

To be eligible to study abroad, students may not be on university probation or academic probation and must have earned a grade point average of at least a "C" — no problem for Colin, who's an honor student with a near-perfect 3.9 GPA.

The study abroad office and faculty member leading the trip ultimately decide who may go, Kirk said.

Brian Whalen, president and chief executive officer of the Forum on Education Abroad, a nonprofit member association of 400 schools, agencies and other groups, said he has not heard of another case where a college student Colin's age had tried to study abroad. When accepted into a college or university, a student generally is assumed to have access to academic programs, he said.

Although Colin was barred from the South African field trip course, he will participate in a National Science Foundation-funded research group that also will take him to South Africa to study plant ecology.

Colin and his mother say they would be satisfied if the university ensures that the NSF-funded research trip and a seminar fulfill the academic requirements of the course he originally sought. They also have asked that $5,000 in stipend and expenses be reimbursed.

Their lawyer, Michael Agranoff, said he wants to negotiate a solution. He and a lawyer for the state have scheduled their first meeting Friday, he said.

Colin says he would prefer not to have to fight, but he has no choice.
"When people are drawing lines in the sand, you're going to have to cross them," he said. "I'm not going back."
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Re: Prodigy, 13, claims age discrimination by UConn

Postby lights1961 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:22 am

TRAGChick wrote:Yup. :evil:

Leave it to my State to halt somebody trying to do something with his Life,
gifted with genius.

GO CT!! :roll:

Prodigy, 13, claims age discrimination by UConn
By STEPHEN SINGER, Associated Press Writer – Thu Mar 25, 3:57 pm ET

STORRS, Conn. – Even at 13, Colin Carlson believes he's running out of time.

Colin is a sophomore at the University of Connecticut, seeking a bachelor's degree in ecology and evolutionary biology and another in environmental studies. But he's been knocked off course by the university's rejection of his request to take a class that includes summer field work in South Africa.

He and his mother say university officials told them he is too young for the overseas course. So he's filed an age discrimination claim with the university and U.S. Department of Education, which is investigating.

"I'm losing time in my four-year plan for college," he said. "They're upsetting the framework of one of my majors."

Michael Kirk, a spokesman for UConn, would not comment on Colin's case. But he said that generally, safety is the university's first concern when travel is involved.

The university would not let Colin enroll, even after his mother, Jessica Offir, offered to release UConn from liability and accompany her son as a chaperone at her own expense, she and Colin said.

Colin was 2 or 3 when he began reading on his own, Offir said, and was up to "Harry Potter" by the time he was 4. An only child, he has faced trouble before because of his brainpower. His kindergarten teacher would not allow him to take books with him at nap time, and he was ridiculed by other children who fired math questions at him to entertain themselves, she said.

"You have no idea what kids like this experience," Offir said.

Colin skipped two grades in public school and began taking psychology, history and other courses at UConn when he was 9. He graduated from Stanford University Online High School at age 11, and soon after enrolled full-time at UConn.

"I'm actually like any other student, he said.
:arrow: "The faculty and students have better things to do than worry about a 13-year-old holding his own."

Over the years, Colin, who said he is fascinated by natural ecosystems, has traveled extensively. He has gone sea kayaking off Nova Scotia and Ecuador, hiked in numerous national parks and, with his mother, has traveled across the U.S. by car.

"It's important to have a very wide world view," he said. "Biology is fundamentally about the diversity of life, with a focus across the planet."
Colin says the course in conservation work in South Africa would have been critical to his studies and the rejection has forced him to change his thesis plans.

He said that once he's completed his undergraduate studies, he wants a Ph.D. in ecology and evolutionary biology and a degree in environmental law for a career in conservation science. He intends to earn the two degrees by age 22.

Carl Schlichting, a professor of ecology and evolutionary biology who has taught Colin in two courses, said he is not only an outstanding student, but is unusually certain for a 13-year-old about where he is headed professionally.

"He has very strong ideas about what he wants to do," he said. "His self-confidence is very high. It's a very unusual package to see the intellect and confidence at that age."

To be eligible to study abroad, students may not be on university probation or academic probation and must have earned a grade point average of at least a "C" — no problem for Colin, who's an honor student with a near-perfect 3.9 GPA.

The study abroad office and faculty member leading the trip ultimately decide who may go, Kirk said.

Brian Whalen, president and chief executive officer of the Forum on Education Abroad, a nonprofit member association of 400 schools, agencies and other groups, said he has not heard of another case where a college student Colin's age had tried to study abroad. When accepted into a college or university, a student generally is assumed to have access to academic programs, he said.

Although Colin was barred from the South African field trip course, he will participate in a National Science Foundation-funded research group that also will take him to South Africa to study plant ecology.

Colin and his mother say they would be satisfied if the university ensures that the NSF-funded research trip and a seminar fulfill the academic requirements of the course he originally sought. They also have asked that $5,000 in stipend and expenses be reimbursed.

Their lawyer, Michael Agranoff, said he wants to negotiate a solution. He and a lawyer for the state have scheduled their first meeting Friday, he said.

Colin says he would prefer not to have to fight, but he has no choice.
"When people are drawing lines in the sand, you're going to have to cross them," he said. "I'm not going back."


Iam sure the college is thinking liability of a minor... as that he still is...trying to live an adult world, traveling and studying abroad... some things even 13 year olds should NOT be allowed to do...but thats just me... i side with the university here.
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Re: Prodigy, 13, claims age discrimination by UConn

Postby TRAGChick » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:24 am

lights1961 wrote:
TRAGChick wrote:Yup. :evil:

Leave it to my State to halt somebody trying to do something with his Life,
gifted with genius.

GO CT!! :roll:

Prodigy, 13, claims age discrimination by UConn
By STEPHEN SINGER, Associated Press Writer – Thu Mar 25, 3:57 pm ET

STORRS, Conn. – Even at 13, Colin Carlson believes he's running out of time.

Colin is a sophomore at the University of Connecticut, seeking a bachelor's degree in ecology and evolutionary biology and another in environmental studies. But he's been knocked off course by the university's rejection of his request to take a class that includes summer field work in South Africa.

He and his mother say university officials told them he is too young for the overseas course. So he's filed an age discrimination claim with the university and U.S. Department of Education, which is investigating.

"I'm losing time in my four-year plan for college," he said. "They're upsetting the framework of one of my majors."

Michael Kirk, a spokesman for UConn, would not comment on Colin's case. But he said that generally, safety is the university's first concern when travel is involved.

The university would not let Colin enroll, even after his mother, Jessica Offir, offered to release UConn from liability and accompany her son as a chaperone at her own expense, she and Colin said.

Colin was 2 or 3 when he began reading on his own, Offir said, and was up to "Harry Potter" by the time he was 4. An only child, he has faced trouble before because of his brainpower. His kindergarten teacher would not allow him to take books with him at nap time, and he was ridiculed by other children who fired math questions at him to entertain themselves, she said.

"You have no idea what kids like this experience," Offir said.

Colin skipped two grades in public school and began taking psychology, history and other courses at UConn when he was 9. He graduated from Stanford University Online High School at age 11, and soon after enrolled full-time at UConn.

"I'm actually like any other student, he said.
:arrow: "The faculty and students have better things to do than worry about a 13-year-old holding his own."

Over the years, Colin, who said he is fascinated by natural ecosystems, has traveled extensively. He has gone sea kayaking off Nova Scotia and Ecuador, hiked in numerous national parks and, with his mother, has traveled across the U.S. by car.

"It's important to have a very wide world view," he said. "Biology is fundamentally about the diversity of life, with a focus across the planet."
Colin says the course in conservation work in South Africa would have been critical to his studies and the rejection has forced him to change his thesis plans.

He said that once he's completed his undergraduate studies, he wants a Ph.D. in ecology and evolutionary biology and a degree in environmental law for a career in conservation science. He intends to earn the two degrees by age 22.

Carl Schlichting, a professor of ecology and evolutionary biology who has taught Colin in two courses, said he is not only an outstanding student, but is unusually certain for a 13-year-old about where he is headed professionally.

"He has very strong ideas about what he wants to do," he said. "His self-confidence is very high. It's a very unusual package to see the intellect and confidence at that age."

To be eligible to study abroad, students may not be on university probation or academic probation and must have earned a grade point average of at least a "C" — no problem for Colin, who's an honor student with a near-perfect 3.9 GPA.

The study abroad office and faculty member leading the trip ultimately decide who may go, Kirk said.

Brian Whalen, president and chief executive officer of the Forum on Education Abroad, a nonprofit member association of 400 schools, agencies and other groups, said he has not heard of another case where a college student Colin's age had tried to study abroad. When accepted into a college or university, a student generally is assumed to have access to academic programs, he said.

Although Colin was barred from the South African field trip course, he will participate in a National Science Foundation-funded research group that also will take him to South Africa to study plant ecology.

Colin and his mother say they would be satisfied if the university ensures that the NSF-funded research trip and a seminar fulfill the academic requirements of the course he originally sought. They also have asked that $5,000 in stipend and expenses be reimbursed.

Their lawyer, Michael Agranoff, said he wants to negotiate a solution. He and a lawyer for the state have scheduled their first meeting Friday, he said.

Colin says he would prefer not to have to fight, but he has no choice.
"When people are drawing lines in the sand, you're going to have to cross them," he said. "I'm not going back."


Iam sure the college is thinking liability of a minor... as that he still is...trying to live an adult world, traveling and studying abroad... some things even 13 year olds should NOT be allowed to do...but thats just me... i side with the university here.


OK...

But, the Mother released the Univ. from all liability, and would PAY OUT OF POCKET to accompany her son and be with him at all times.

So, if that's the case.....why not?
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Mar 27, 2010 1:25 am

Me too, Ricky!! Kid needs to slow down and enjoy life!! What's he going to do after he
completes college@15 ...get a job?!? There are sooo many of them out there!! :wink:

But, Bravissimo for a job well done!!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:18 am

Michigan Girl wrote:Me to, Ricky!! Kid needs to slow down and enjoy life!! What's he going to do after he
completes college@15 ...get a job?!? There are sooo many of them out there!! :wink:

But, Bravissimo for a job well done!!


Exactly, what the fuck does this kid think he's going to do when he's 15 or 16?

Very impressive accomplishments, but the university reserves the right.
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Postby bluejeangirl76 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 2:27 am

Ehwmatt wrote:Very impressive accomplishments, but the university reserves the right.


Agreed. 13 is too young for a thing like that.
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Postby Sarah » Sat Mar 27, 2010 5:06 am

While I would agree that sending a 13-year-old abroad is iffy... I know a couple of guys who were graduating from UCLA with masters degrees at the same age that I got my BA. They have no regrets. Geniuses just don't want to stop learning. They do miss out on the social stuff, but for them, social stuff is nothing. It's their life, if they've got the money and the smarts to go to college at that age, I say let 'em.
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Postby Don » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:08 am

Don't a lot of these kids that hit college before puberty end up having meltdowns later, usually capping themselves or becoming dependent on drugs or alcohol?

South Africa has become quite nasty, good on the school for not allowing him.
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:20 am

Who are mere people to fuck with this gifted kid's game plan? He has made this his goal and I can see where stiffling his progress might be detrimental to him, since he has a game plan that it sounds like he has been strictly adhering to. Sometimes it takes strategic planning to accomlish something. He's gonna feel ripped of if he doesn't get it. If his mom is willing to sign the release and go with him, that should be their perogative. After all he has accomlished, this will feel like a slap on the face. Certain gains only come from taking risks.
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Postby ProgRocker53 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:28 am

steveo777 wrote:Who are mere people to fuck with this gifted kid's game plan? He has made this his goal and I can see where stiffling his progress might be detrimental to him, since he has a game plan that it sounds like he has been strictly adhering to. Sometimes it takes strategic planning to accomlish something. He's gonna feel ripped of if he doesn't get it. If his mom is willing to sign the release and go with him, that should be their perogative. After all he has accomlished, this will feel like a slap on the face. Certain gains only come from taking risks.


i had a plan of my life many years ago... done gave up on that haha
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:32 am

steveo777 wrote:Who are mere people to fuck with this gifted kid's game plan? He has made this his goal and I can see where stiffling his progress might be detrimental to him, since he has a game plan that it sounds like he has been strictly adhering to. Sometimes it takes strategic planning to accomlish something. He's gonna feel ripped of if he doesn't get it. If his mom is willing to sign the release and go with him, that should be their perogative. After all he has accomlished, this will feel like a slap on the face. Certain gains only come from taking risks.


The gifted kid is a mere person who has to learn that there are rules, regulations and laws he
will have to deal with as an adult and/or child. His mother needs to pull in the reigns of this
future disaster and teach him that he cannot have his way ...sorry son YOU MUST play video
games and learn to socialize w/other MERE PEOPLE!! :wink:

What next?!?! Change the child labor laws so he can run companies?!?!
(as long as his mommie sits at the desk next to him, of course)
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:44 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Who are mere people to fuck with this gifted kid's game plan? He has made this his goal and I can see where stiffling his progress might be detrimental to him, since he has a game plan that it sounds like he has been strictly adhering to. Sometimes it takes strategic planning to accomlish something. He's gonna feel ripped of if he doesn't get it. If his mom is willing to sign the release and go with him, that should be their perogative. After all he has accomlished, this will feel like a slap on the face. Certain gains only come from taking risks.


The gifted kid is a mere person who has to learn that there are rules, regulations and laws he
will have to deal with as an adult and/or child. His mother needs to pull in the reigns of this
future disaster and teach him that he cannot have his way ...sorry son YOU MUST play video
games and learn to socialize w/other MERE PEOPLE!! :wink:

What next?!?! Change the child labor laws so he can run companies?!?!
(as long as his mommie sits at the desk next to him, of course)


I understand. Someone should have put the brakes on Bill Gates too. :wink: :D
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Postby Don » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:44 am

This kid will go missing, his mom will be suing the university, crying to the State Department and the next thing we'll here is how the Zula's have been pimping him out to some muslim boy harem in Somalia.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:52 am

steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Who are mere people to fuck with this gifted kid's game plan? He has made this his goal and I can see where stiffling his progress might be detrimental to him, since he has a game plan that it sounds like he has been strictly adhering to. Sometimes it takes strategic planning to accomlish something. He's gonna feel ripped of if he doesn't get it. If his mom is willing to sign the release and go with him, that should be their perogative. After all he has accomlished, this will feel like a slap on the face. Certain gains only come from taking risks.


The gifted kid is a mere person who has to learn that there are rules, regulations and laws he
will have to deal with as an adult and/or child. His mother needs to pull in the reigns of this
future disaster and teach him that he cannot have his way ...sorry son YOU MUST play video
games and learn to socialize w/other MERE PEOPLE!! :wink:

What next?!?! Change the child labor laws so he can run companies?!?!
(as long as his mommie sits at the desk next to him, of course)


I understand. Someone should have put the brakes on Bill Gates too. :wink: :D

What?!?! He entered Harvard at the normal age ...why would anyone hold him back?!!?
Make some sense!! :wink:
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Postby Don » Sat Mar 27, 2010 7:59 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Who are mere people to fuck with this gifted kid's game plan? He has made this his goal and I can see where stiffling his progress might be detrimental to him, since he has a game plan that it sounds like he has been strictly adhering to. Sometimes it takes strategic planning to accomlish something. He's gonna feel ripped of if he doesn't get it. If his mom is willing to sign the release and go with him, that should be their perogative. After all he has accomlished, this will feel like a slap on the face. Certain gains only come from taking risks.


The gifted kid is a mere person who has to learn that there are rules, regulations and laws he
will have to deal with as an adult and/or child. His mother needs to pull in the reigns of this
future disaster and teach him that he cannot have his way ...sorry son YOU MUST play video
games and learn to socialize w/other MERE PEOPLE!! :wink:

What next?!?! Change the child labor laws so he can run companies?!?!
(as long as his mommie sits at the desk next to him, of course)


I understand. Someone should have put the brakes on Bill Gates too. :wink: :D

What?!?! He entered Harvard at the normal age ...why would anyone hold him back?!!?
Make some sense!! :wink:


He even dropped out at 19 and still became a billionaire.
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:00 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Who are mere people to fuck with this gifted kid's game plan? He has made this his goal and I can see where stiffling his progress might be detrimental to him, since he has a game plan that it sounds like he has been strictly adhering to. Sometimes it takes strategic planning to accomlish something. He's gonna feel ripped of if he doesn't get it. If his mom is willing to sign the release and go with him, that should be their perogative. After all he has accomlished, this will feel like a slap on the face. Certain gains only come from taking risks.


The gifted kid is a mere person who has to learn that there are rules, regulations and laws he
will have to deal with as an adult and/or child. His mother needs to pull in the reigns of this
future disaster and teach him that he cannot have his way ...sorry son YOU MUST play video
games and learn to socialize w/other MERE PEOPLE!! :wink:

What next?!?! Change the child labor laws so he can run companies?!?!
(as long as his mommie sits at the desk next to him, of course)


I understand. Someone should have put the brakes on Bill Gates too. :wink: :D

What?!?! He entered Harvard at the normal age ...why would anyone hold him back?!!?
Make some sense!! :wink:


All I'm saying is he might be the next great one in the world. Don't deny the garden it's growth with
some idiotic rules......man made rules. :wink:
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Postby JasonD » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:11 am

Was this kid named Parfait? (I'm just kidding .... not wisecracking.) :lol: It's just that this story reminded me of Parfait being only 19 & studying to be a doctor & speaking a half dozen different languages & so forth. Smart--so whut's he dooing here? :P

As for the kid in the article, I say let 'em go. Mom's agreed to go with him, release any liabilities & pay her own way. Let 'em go while he still has the ambition to do so.

BTW, I love how they quoted the kid as saying, "They're upsetting the framework of one of my majors." Too funny !!!! How many 13 year olds speak that way? .... "framework." LOL !!! :wink: :lol: :lol:
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:12 am

Steveo, It's obvious you and I are not going to agree on this ...caring
for the well being of a CHILD does not = ruining his life/holding him back
from greatness ... :evil:
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:24 am

Michigan Girl wrote:Steveo, It's obvious you and I are not going to agree on this ...caring
for the well being of a CHILD does not = ruining his life/holding him back
from greatness ... :evil:


I agree to disagree. I will not like you less. I won't like you more either. Have a good day Maam. :D
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Postby SherriBerry » Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:46 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Who are mere people to fuck with this gifted kid's game plan? He has made this his goal and I can see where stiffling his progress might be detrimental to him, since he has a game plan that it sounds like he has been strictly adhering to. Sometimes it takes strategic planning to accomlish something. He's gonna feel ripped of if he doesn't get it. If his mom is willing to sign the release and go with him, that should be their perogative. After all he has accomlished, this will feel like a slap on the face. Certain gains only come from taking risks.


The gifted kid is a mere person who has to learn that there are rules, regulations and laws he
will have to deal with as an adult and/or child. His mother needs to pull in the reigns of this
future disaster and teach him that he cannot have his way ...sorry son YOU MUST play video
games and learn to socialize w/other MERE PEOPLE!! :wink:

What next?!?! Change the child labor laws so he can run companies?!?!
(as long as his mommie sits at the desk next to him, of course)


Actually this kid has adhered to all of the criteria and rules stipulated before applying - he is a student in good standing in the required program. There are a lot of college students who are minors, though not usually that young, and no minimum age was stipulated before he applied. It is the university who wished to change the rules, not the student. Since his mother has stated she would release the university from all liability and act as his chaperone at her own expense, the university should let him go. This is a bright, ambitious kid who is not going to be a behaviour problem. I would be more worried about the 18-20 year olds behaviour on the field trip than his!
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Postby DrFU » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:01 am

Gifted does not equal the automatic right never to be told no.

There are other criteria than being able to handle the coursework that go into study abroad

And waivers of liability are not worth the paper they are printed on when something goes wrong.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:19 am

DrFU wrote:

And waivers of liability are not worth the paper they are printed on when something goes wrong.


Exactly. Exculpatory agreements are no iron shield, people.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:25 am

SherriBerry wrote:
Michigan Girl wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Who are mere people to fuck with this gifted kid's game plan? He has made this his goal and I can see where stiffling his progress might be detrimental to him, since he has a game plan that it sounds like he has been strictly adhering to. Sometimes it takes strategic planning to accomlish something. He's gonna feel ripped of if he doesn't get it. If his mom is willing to sign the release and go with him, that should be their perogative. After all he has accomlished, this will feel like a slap on the face. Certain gains only come from taking risks.


The gifted kid is a mere person who has to learn that there are rules, regulations and laws he
will have to deal with as an adult and/or child. His mother needs to pull in the reigns of this
future disaster and teach him that he cannot have his way ...sorry son YOU MUST play video
games and learn to socialize w/other MERE PEOPLE!! :wink:

What next?!?! Change the child labor laws so he can run companies?!?!
(as long as his mommie sits at the desk next to him, of course)


Actually this kid has adhered to all of the criteria and rules stipulated before applying - he is a student in good standing in the required program. There are a lot of college students who are minors, though not usually that young, and no minimum age was stipulated before he applied. It is the university who wished to change the rules, not the student. Since his mother has stated she would release the university from all liability and act as his chaperone at her own expense, the university should let him go. This is a bright, ambitious kid who is not going to be a behaviour problem. I would be more worried about the 18-20 year olds behaviour on the field trip than his!


And I'm sure after all of the criteria are listed there's a disclaimer: The University will select who gets to go. These are not steadfast requirements that if met, guarantee a spot... or something to that effect.

At any rate, there are plenty of bright people out there who have followed all the rules and met all the qualifications, yet can't even get their foots in the door for a job. Sometimes you get stiffed. That's [adult] life. The kid might as well learn that now, particularly if he wants to be engaged in adult activities. There's no place for outrage here.
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Postby Michigan Girl » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:25 am

DrFU wrote:Gifted does not equal the automatic right never to be told no.
There are other criteria than being able to handle the coursework that go into study abroad
And waivers of liability are not worth the paper they are printed on when something goes wrong.

I knew someone with some sense, besides Matty and G~boy would eventually come thru!! :wink:

SherriBerry ...I usually agree w/you, just not this time!! :wink:
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Postby steveo777 » Sat Mar 27, 2010 10:27 am

Michigan Girl wrote:
DrFU wrote:Gifted does not equal the automatic right never to be told no.
There are other criteria than being able to handle the coursework that go into study abroad
And waivers of liability are not worth the paper they are printed on when something goes wrong.

I knew someone with some sense, besides Matty and G~boy would eventually come thru!! :wink:

SherriBerry ...I usually agree w/you, just not this time!! :wink:


LOL
You NEVER agree with me so I lost nothing today. :wink:
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Postby SherriBerry » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:06 pm

Michigan Girl wrote:
DrFU wrote:Gifted does not equal the automatic right never to be told no.
There are other criteria than being able to handle the coursework that go into study abroad
And waivers of liability are not worth the paper they are printed on when something goes wrong.

I knew someone with some sense, besides Matty and G~boy would eventually come thru!! :wink:

SherriBerry ...I usually agree w/you, just not this time!! :wink:


Well I'm glad to hear someone usually agrees with me! :lol:
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Postby SherriBerry » Sun Mar 28, 2010 1:30 pm

DrFU wrote:Gifted does not equal the automatic right never to be told no.

There are other criteria than being able to handle the coursework that go into study abroad

And waivers of liability are not worth the paper they are printed on when something goes wrong.


No, being gifted does not equal the automatic right never to be told no, but the kid is not asking for special privileges - he is asking to be treated equally like any other student. Granted, at 13 he is not typical, but his focus and maturity level coupled with his mother as chaperone make him less of a liability or safety risk than most older students and if waivers are not worth the paper they are printed on, that makes the university liable for every other student in the course if something goes wrong, adult or not .

If his age were going to be an issue regarding the fieldwork necessary for him to complete his program requirements, the university should have apprised him of that when they accepted him as a student. The National Science Foundation doesn't seem to have an issue - they accepted him for their research group to South Africa, so hopefully he will be given the credit he needs for the work and the problem is solved, at least in his case.
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