R&R HOF and Journey

[Ligzig]

AP has NOTHING to do with Journey if they ever get in. Let's get that straight right now. He may be a good voice but, he is as "insignificant" as a pimple on HH's butt to the historical success of the band.

There is only ONE singer of significance when talking Journey.

lol ...very true, also very funny!!
He is a good voice, but facts are facts ...

Wouldn't he actually be LESS significant than a pimple on HH's ass?

I mean, atleast Herbie would want to try and take care of that pimple. Maybe go out and buy some cream or something. At the very least it would annoy him throughout his day.

I don't see him giving a shit what Arnel does on the other hand....

[Michigan Girl]

AP has NOTHING to do with Journey if they ever get in. Let's get that straight right now. He may be a good voice but, he is as "insignificant" as a pimple on HH's butt to the historical success of the band.

There is only ONE singer of significance when talking Journey.

lol ...very true, also very funny!!
He is a good voice, but facts are facts ...

Wouldn't he actually be LESS significant than a pimple on HH's ass?

I mean, atleast Herbie would want to try and take care of that pimple. Maybe go out and buy some cream or something. At the very least it would annoy him throughout his day.

I don't see him giving a shit what Arnel does on the other hand....

The RNRHOF wouldn't buy cream
for the pimple on HH's butt ...or would they?!?!

[MBPL]

PS~Great AV!!!

He looks like the white Randy Jackson.

I saw a video with RJ and his afro-mohawk and tight black spandex pants being from Baton Rouge, but sounding like he's a Valley boy!! But, naw, that's not Don!

I was just playin', L. Don is good peeps.

Oh, so your man-crush went from JSS to Don, hmm? Well, I'm sure not mad at you, I think Don's a nice guy! tee, ~snicker~ hee, hee, hee!

[7 Wishes]

Cobain was in no way Lennon's "equal"...not even close. He was, however, brilliant in his own right.

Bullshit. I'm a lifelong singer / musician, and not ONE serious musician I've known or played with gave Cobain anything more than a "C" grade. He was a sloppy guitarist, decent lyricist, and mediocre singer. Dave Grohl was the real talent in Nirvana. The only thing Cobain has going for him is his inexplicable reputation and supposed talent.

[Andrew]

Cobain was in no way Lennon's "equal"...not even close. He was, however, brilliant in his own right.

Bullshit. I'm a lifelong singer / musician, and not ONE serious musician I've known or played with gave Cobain anything more than a "C" grade. He was a sloppy guitarist, decent lyricist, and mediocre singer. Dave Grohl was the real talent in Nirvana. The only thing Cobain has going for him is his inexplicable reputation and supposed talent.

Bingo.

[steveo777]

In the end Cobain proved how selfish he was.

[Babyblue]

"Gold records, number one hits, and million sellers are not appropriate standards for evaluation. "

Delivered without a shred of irony.

Speaking about a hall of "fame."

That's beautiful.

So what was Madonna voted in for? Her shock value videos or her great contribution to rock music? LOL. "Like a Virgin." Don't get me wrong, I love, love, love Madonna and own much of her POP music, but that was a slap in the face to great bands that have been overlooked for the RRHOF.

She probably blew a couple of the members of the voting board. So does online petition signing get them on the ballot?
If they were ever got get in, who goes in? I can't see AP getting in with that short tenure, among other things.

AP has NOTHING to do with Journey if they ever get in. Let's get that straight right now. He may be a good voice but, he is as "insignificant" as a pimple on HH's butt to the historical success of the band.

There is only ONE singer of significance when talking Journey.

I agree.

I wonder how Steve Perry will react to Gregg Rolie being inducted TWICE!

I don't see where it would be a big deal at all.

[squirt1]

How many of you have ever been to the RnR HOF? What makes them relevant to anything? Those stodgies are fixated in their stuffy music world and are in Cleveland besides. Sorry Matt ! WHO CARES? It is the number's that attend concerts, buy records & cd's, amount of hits they write and if they can play live. Attendance attests to that. Period ! Now ,someone please get rid of reality shows- hello- camera crews = scripted, Miss America, Trump et al.

[Ehwmatt]

How many of you have ever been to the RnR HOF? What makes them relevant to anything? Those stodgies are fixated in their stuffy music world and are in Cleveland besides. Sorry Matt ! WHO CARES? It is the number's that attend concerts, buy records & cd's, amount of hits they write and if they can play live. Attendance attests to that. Period ! Now ,someone please get rid of reality shows- hello- camera crews = scripted, Miss America, Trump et al.

Hey now, aren't you in Cinci? We are supposed to look out for our own here in Ohio

[stevew2]

It wont happen, it was tried before, when they had Steve Augeri, we all emailed and signed and had a a petition, it didnt work then, and it wont work now, with two other singers since then,it aint going to happen, they blew it, It aint all that anyway

[Tomulator]

Cobain was in no way Lennon's "equal"...not even close. He was, however, brilliant in his own right.

Bullshit. I'm a lifelong singer / musician, and not ONE serious musician I've known or played with gave Cobain anything more than a "C" grade. He was a sloppy guitarist, decent lyricist, and mediocre singer. Dave Grohl was the real talent in Nirvana. The only thing Cobain has going for him is his inexplicable reputation and supposed talent.

I'm a "lifelong musician" as well and I disagree. Definitely "brilliance" (whatever that means) to Cobain. Grohl is an exceptional talent as well but, not on the creative level of Cobain.

[7 Wishes]

Well, we're each entitled to our opinions.

No amount of spin can change the fact that he had a flat, warbly voice and was a very sloppy player. Just sayin'.

[mrsromek]

There's about 10 other bands much more deserving than Journey to get into the RRHOF. And, most of those 10 haven't even been on a ballot or got ousted by Madonna or some other crappy group.

[7 Wishes]

Again, that entirely depends upon your definition for "more deserving". Is it more record or ticket sales? How can you measure something that subjective?

[steveo777]

Cobain was in no way Lennon's "equal"...not even close. He was, however, brilliant in his own right.

Bullshit. I'm a lifelong singer / musician, and not ONE serious musician I've known or played with gave Cobain anything more than a "C" grade. He was a sloppy guitarist, decent lyricist, and mediocre singer. Dave Grohl was the real talent in Nirvana. The only thing Cobain has going for him is his inexplicable reputation and supposed talent.

I'm a "lifelong musician" as well and I disagree. Definitely "brilliance" (whatever that means) to Cobain. Grohl is an exceptional talent as well but, not on the creative level of Cobain.

Well, he is worth more dead than alive. Courtney Love has been offered $165 million for the rights to Nirvana's music, just a few days ago, from what I understand.

[jrnyman28]

Cobain was in no way Lennon's "equal"...not even close. He was, however, brilliant in his own right.

Bullshit. I'm a lifelong singer / musician, and not ONE serious musician I've known or played with gave Cobain anything more than a "C" grade. He was a sloppy guitarist, decent lyricist, and mediocre singer. Dave Grohl was the real talent in Nirvana. The only thing Cobain has going for him is his inexplicable reputation and supposed talent.

I'm a "lifelong musician" as well and I disagree. Definitely "brilliance" (whatever that means) to Cobain. Grohl is an exceptional talent as well but, not on the creative level of Cobain.

Well, he is worth more dead than alive. Courtney Love has been offered $165 million for the rights to Nirvana's music, just a few days ago, from what I understand.

And that is only for the remaining 75%. She already sold 25% for something like $50 million!

[7 Wishes]

I have yet to hear anyone enumerate an even somewhat convincing reason Cobain should be posthumously regarded as "brilliant". You won't hear any trained musician opine that, I can guarantee it.

[Arianddu]

I have yet to hear anyone enumerate an even somewhat convincing reason Cobain should be posthumously regarded as "brilliant". You won't hear any trained musician opine that, I can guarantee it.

He brilliantly died at the exact point in his career where we can assume his genius lies in what he died too young to do. Rock on James Dean!

[7 Wishes]

Yeah, another 15 years of lousy harmonies, predictable three-chrord progressions with untuned guitars, depressing lyrics and poor production would have been great!

[Tomulator]

Well, we're each entitled to our opinions.

No amount of spin can change the fact that he had a flat, warbly voice and was a very sloppy player. Just sayin'.

I don't think he was that "sloppy" of a player. He was playing "rough edged" musical styles which did not necessitate technically-perfect guitar playing. It was about the ENERGY!

[Tomulator]

I have yet to hear anyone enumerate an even somewhat convincing reason Cobain should be posthumously regarded as "brilliant". You won't hear any trained musician opine that, I can guarantee it.

Now...don't get musically "snobby" on us! Art / music is not based solely on technical abilities. The only question of relevence is...does one ENJOY it?

Million and millions of people "enjoyed" Nirvana and Cobain. That is fact.

[jrnyman28]

Not being a fan of Cobain, I can only point to his ability to emotional connect to an audience that was not connected to previously as possibly a point of 'genius'. After all, music is supposed to be about that...you're supposed to feel it, not define it.

[Sarah]

I have yet to hear anyone enumerate an even somewhat convincing reason Cobain should be posthumously regarded as "brilliant". You won't hear any trained musician opine that, I can guarantee it.

Now...don't get musically "snobby" on us! Art / music is not based solely on technical abilities. The only question of relevence is...does one ENJOY it?

Million and millions of people "enjoyed" Nirvana and Cobain. That is fact.

That and he became the face of a genre and arguably the whole grunge culture, an icon of the 90s, and I'm sure a lot of rock bands that came after Nirvana would credit them as an influence. That's what makes him so important.

You could argue that Nirvana was in the right place at the right time and someone would have popularized grunge eventually but then you'd have to consider the same about the Beatles and any other bands that had a major influence on popular music. Personally I don't really like Nirvana as much as Pearl Jam or STP but you gotta give them credit for their impact.

I once talked guitarists a couple of professional guitar players who said that Jimmy Page was a sloppy player too. Does it make Zeppelin any less brilliant? No.

[7 Wishes]

There's a big difference between being "sloppy" and innovative. Jimmy Page created sounds and templates no-one had never imagined before.

Most of Nirvana's music is very predictable - no chord changes. It's basically the lowest common denominator.

[strangegrey]

Bullshit. I'm a lifelong singer / musician, and not ONE serious musician I've known or played with gave Cobain anything more than a "C" grade. He was a sloppy guitarist, decent lyricist, and mediocre singer. Dave Grohl was the real talent in Nirvana. The only thing Cobain has going for him is his inexplicable reputation and supposed talent.

7, I rarely agree with you....and this statement is no exception.

However, If you turned Cobains "C" to a "D", I'd have been with ya on every letter!