LOST/BSG FINAL EPISODE SPOILER

[StevePerryHair]

Didn't I already explain that you can't go back in time, that you can only go forward?

So once you go foward you are stuck there forever??

[Sarah]

I had a similar problem with the latest Star Trek movie that was also done by the Lost guy. Time travel- too easy and too over used. It really seems like Abrahams is the Stephen King of TV/Movies. "I don't know how to end this, or I'm tired of it, so here's a really lame ending for you".

Star Trek has always used time travel. It's in all of the Trek series! See this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:S ... el_stories and also, Star Trek IV was centered around time travel. Abrams wasn't introducing anything new there. And I can't think of a better way for them to have rebooted the series while preserving the old Trek canon than an alternate universe.

[Deb]

The consensus with Lost is that the Island was Purgatory.

"To make a very, very long story short we discovered via Christian Shephard aka Jack’s dead father that all of the people on Oceanic 815 including Desmond, Daniel, Charlotte, Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Lapidus, Claire, Sayid, Sun, Jin, Richard, Michael, Walt, Miles, Ana Lucia, Locke, Hurley and Benjamin did really live on the island but when they died they moved on to L.A for their afterlife where they had the life that they always dreamed off. In The End we learned that those who did eventually find a way to forgive the people who hurt them , and forgave themselves were reunited with the people who meant something to them an went to heaven."

WTF?

The consensus from those I've talked to is the Island was not purgatory. The flash sideways was. They left it up for a lot of interpretation to be left up for the viewer.

That's the cop out for me.
We can't wrap everything up correctly (As we promised to) because we got lazy in our writing and got every thing twisted in a knot so why don't we just just let the audience make up their own interpretation of what happened.

One of the reasons, I'm bringing this up is because there was this big guy on the news blubbering his heart out about the finale of the show and I was wondering how someone could get so caught up in something that had no real story line and in the final season, had writers making every thing up on the fly just to get the damn show done?

Can you put the spoiler alert in instead of god did it? Because I know someone here who has not seen it yet and it will ruin it for those who haven't

And I think they wanted people to think the island is just a mysterious place, and the flash sideways was a way to have them all redeem all the bad things they were to maybe comfort the audience? That's why it was Purgatory? But they all arrived there at different times and they were the ones important to "jack" only. If you didn't watch it it's really hard to explain it to you.

Hell I'm still trying to wrap my head around Sawyer as a cop?! Mmmm...

All I know is the ONLY thing that makes me sad is I can't watch him every week anymore

I hear ya sistah. I liked him, he nicnames everybody too. Like Keifer, hopefully see him in a new show down the line.

[brywool]

I had a similar problem with the latest Star Trek movie that was also done by the Lost guy. Time travel- too easy and too over used. It really seems like Abrahams is the Stephen King of TV/Movies. "I don't know how to end this, or I'm tired of it, so here's a really lame ending for you".

Star Trek has always used time travel. It's in all of the Trek series! See this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:S ... el_stories and also, Star Trek IV was centered around time travel. Abrams wasn't introducing anything new there.

This is true. It's just been over used in Star Trek.
For the TV show, they did it great. The episode with the fighter pilot and the episode where McCoy's all hopped up on goof balls and goes back in time are some of ST's greatest episodes.
For the Movies (other than the whale one) it just became too routine.
"Bones, wanna Hot Pocket in the microwave?", "No thanks Jim, I think I'll just time travel".

Too easy.

[Deb]

24?

Jack became like a serial killer I don't like the direction they took his character at all the last few episodes. It was just too violent for me.

Yep, I think Keifer's time as Jack Bauer is done. Hopefully see him in something new soon, he's much to good of an actor not to be.

Yeah, gutting the russian was a bit much for me

Well, how else was he supposed to get the memory card the russian had swallowed?

That's right. What goes around comes around. Lynn, did you not see him chained up and tortured for information, in one of the first few seasons.

[StevePerryHair]

24?

Jack became like a serial killer I don't like the direction they took his character at all the last few episodes. It was just too violent for me.

Yep, I think Keifer's time as Jack Bauer is done. Hopefully see him in something new soon, he's much to good of an actor not to be.

Yeah, gutting the russian was a bit much for me

Well, how else was he supposed to get the memory card the russian had swallowed?

That's right. What goes around comes around. Lynn, did you not see him chained up and tortured for information, in one of the first few seasons.

Yes, but it's expected from bad guys. I dont' like torture, and it bothered me they let his character get that dark I guess. I mean he beat the crap out of the CTU agent and shot her point blank. I just think they let his character go somewhere it hadn't gone before.

[Deb]

24?

Jack became like a serial killer I don't like the direction they took his character at all the last few episodes. It was just too violent for me.

Yep, I think Keifer's time as Jack Bauer is done. Hopefully see him in something new soon, he's much to good of an actor not to be.

Yeah, gutting the russian was a bit much for me

Well, how else was he supposed to get the memory card the russian had swallowed?

That's right. What goes around comes around. Lynn, did you not see him chained up and tortured for information, in one of the first few seasons.

Yes, but it's expected from bad guys. I dont' like torture, and it bothered me they let his character get that dark I guess. I mean he beat the crap out of the CTU agent and shot her point blank. I just think they let his character go somewhere it hadn't gone before.

Yeah but don't ya know the whole American human race rides on Jack Bauer getting the bad guys by any means......every season.......yadda yadda yadda. Cut him some slack, that's a lot of pressure, don't ya know.

Don't even know if I'll miss his Jack Bauer character, probably more his voice, that guy's got one sexyass speaking voice. May have to darn well watch a few of those Ford F150 truck commercials now.

[Monker]

Is this going to be the new cop out ending for Television shows when the storylines become so convoluted that there is no way to to connect all the dots anymore?

Lost?

And Battle Star Galactica from what I have read. The writers for Lost promised last year that everything in the show would have a scientific explanation. Apparently, they didn't even attempt Pseudo science, they just threw everything into a pot and said that's it. Write your own explanation. BSG totally went off course when the writers started following online chats and abandoned their own storylines to incorporate what the fans believed was actually going on in the shows. Since fans aren't really writers and tend to change their minds, you end up painting your self in a corner as writer when you go that route.

No wonder reality T.V. shows are all the rage. At least those scripts can be halfway believable.

This is one of the reasons why I thought BSG was WAY over rated...and why I never got into Lost. It was just being weird for weirdness sake. It all sorta reminds me of the Twin Peaks stuff....weird dreams with dwarfs and aliens and stuff...and nobody really knows what it means so you can just make up whatever you want. It's stoopid TV, IMO.

[Monker]

I had a similar problem with the latest Star Trek movie that was also done by the Lost guy. Time travel- too easy and too over used. It really seems like Abrahams is the Stephen King of TV/Movies. "I don't know how to end this, or I'm tired of it, so here's a really lame ending for you".

Star Trek has always used time travel. It's in all of the Trek series! See this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:S ... el_stories and also, Star Trek IV was centered around time travel. Abrams wasn't introducing anything new there. And I can't think of a better way for them to have rebooted the series while preserving the old Trek canon than an alternate universe.

They didn't preserve the canon. They erased it. Young Spock even says so at one point...when he says that when Mr. Romulan driller person came back in time that he instantly created a new timeline that neither side could reliably predict.

[Monker]

Didn't I already explain that you can't go back in time, that you can only go forward?

Hawkings tried to explain it...but, I'm not sure I agree with him.

[StevePerryHair]

24?

Jack became like a serial killer I don't like the direction they took his character at all the last few episodes. It was just too violent for me.

Yep, I think Keifer's time as Jack Bauer is done. Hopefully see him in something new soon, he's much to good of an actor not to be.

Yeah, gutting the russian was a bit much for me

Well, how else was he supposed to get the memory card the russian had swallowed?

That's right. What goes around comes around. Lynn, did you not see him chained up and tortured for information, in one of the first few seasons.

Yes, but it's expected from bad guys. I dont' like torture, and it bothered me they let his character get that dark I guess. I mean he beat the crap out of the CTU agent and shot her point blank. I just think they let his character go somewhere it hadn't gone before.

Yeah but don't ya know the whole American human race rides on Jack Bauer getting the bad guys by any means......every season.......yadda yadda yadda. Cut him some slack, that's a lot of pressure, don't ya know.

Don't even know if I'll miss his Jack Bauer character, probably more his voice, that guy's got one sexyass speaking voice. May have to darn well watch a few of those Ford F150 truck commercials now.

Don't they use his voice on Versus too, for the Stanley cup intro before the games? It sounds like his voice....

[StevePerryHair]

The consensus with Lost is that the Island was Purgatory.

"To make a very, very long story short we discovered via Christian Shephard aka Jack’s dead father that all of the people on Oceanic 815 including Desmond, Daniel, Charlotte, Kate, Sawyer, Miles, Lapidus, Claire, Sayid, Sun, Jin, Richard, Michael, Walt, Miles, Ana Lucia, Locke, Hurley and Benjamin did really live on the island but when they died they moved on to L.A for their afterlife where they had the life that they always dreamed off. In The End we learned that those who did eventually find a way to forgive the people who hurt them , and forgave themselves were reunited with the people who meant something to them an went to heaven."

WTF?

The consensus from those I've talked to is the Island was not purgatory. The flash sideways was. They left it up for a lot of interpretation to be left up for the viewer.

That's the cop out for me.
We can't wrap everything up correctly (As we promised to) because we got lazy in our writing and got every thing twisted in a knot so why don't we just just let the audience make up their own interpretation of what happened.

One of the reasons, I'm bringing this up is because there was this big guy on the news blubbering his heart out about the finale of the show and I was wondering how someone could get so caught up in something that had no real story line and in the final season, had writers making every thing up on the fly just to get the damn show done?

Can you put the spoiler alert in instead of god did it? Because I know someone here who has not seen it yet and it will ruin it for those who haven't

And I think they wanted people to think the island is just a mysterious place, and the flash sideways was a way to have them all redeem all the bad things they were to maybe comfort the audience? That's why it was Purgatory? But they all arrived there at different times and they were the ones important to "jack" only. If you didn't watch it it's really hard to explain it to you.

Hell I'm still trying to wrap my head around Sawyer as a cop?! Mmmm...

All I know is the ONLY thing that makes me sad is I can't watch him every week anymore

I hear ya sistah. I liked him, he nicnames everybody too. Like Keifer, hopefully see him in a new show down the line.

Did you see this Deb?? Did you watch Jimmy Kimmel that night of the LOST finale with the cast? This youtube is from that when Josh Holloway couldnt' be there. He made this joke thing. I think you'll like it! I LOVE his dimples I hope he gets a new show too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSEcANGlv08

[Deb]

Did you see this Deb?? Did you watch Jimmy Kimmel that night of the LOST finale with the cast? This youtube is from that when Josh Holloway couldnt' be there. He made this joke thing. I think you'll like it! I LOVE his dimples I hope he gets a new show too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSEcANGlv08

That was hilarious! What a good sport. And I swear to gawd Lynn, we must have been separated at birth. I am a complete sucker for dimples........LOL, a friend used to tease me about it...........she says a guy could be a 5, but if he has dimples, it bumps him right up to a 10!

[StevePerryHair]

Did you see this Deb?? Did you watch Jimmy Kimmel that night of the LOST finale with the cast? This youtube is from that when Josh Holloway couldnt' be there. He made this joke thing. I think you'll like it! I LOVE his dimples I hope he gets a new show too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSEcANGlv08

That was hilarious! What a good sport. And I swear to gawd Lynn, we must have been separated at birth. I am a complete sucker for dimples........LOL, a friend used to tease me about it...........she says a guy could be a 5, but if he has dimples, it bumps him right up to a 10!

He is a 10 at least!

When the cast was talking, Jimmy Kimmel asked them who the "least professional" one on set was as a joke, and they looked at each other and Terry O'Quinn said "josh holloway" I said to my husband, "see, that's why I like him so much!!"

[Deb]

Did you see this Deb?? Did you watch Jimmy Kimmel that night of the LOST finale with the cast? This youtube is from that when Josh Holloway couldnt' be there. He made this joke thing. I think you'll like it! I LOVE his dimples I hope he gets a new show too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSEcANGlv08

That was hilarious! What a good sport. And I swear to gawd Lynn, we must have been separated at birth. I am a complete sucker for dimples........LOL, a friend used to tease me about it...........she says a guy could be a 5, but if he has dimples, it bumps him right up to a 10!

He is a 10 at least!

When the cast was talking, Jimmy Kimmel asked them who the "least professional" one on set was as a joke, and they looked at each other and Terry O'Quinn said "josh holloway" I said to my husband, "see, that's why I like him so much!!"

LOL, he started as a 10. He's always been my favorite on there too. Him and Kate (Evangeline Lily).

[StevePerryHair]

Did you see this Deb?? Did you watch Jimmy Kimmel that night of the LOST finale with the cast? This youtube is from that when Josh Holloway couldnt' be there. He made this joke thing. I think you'll like it! I LOVE his dimples I hope he gets a new show too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSEcANGlv08

That was hilarious! What a good sport. And I swear to gawd Lynn, we must have been separated at birth. I am a complete sucker for dimples........LOL, a friend used to tease me about it...........she says a guy could be a 5, but if he has dimples, it bumps him right up to a 10!

He is a 10 at least!

When the cast was talking, Jimmy Kimmel asked them who the "least professional" one on set was as a joke, and they looked at each other and Terry O'Quinn said "josh holloway" I said to my husband, "see, that's why I like him so much!!"

LOL, he started as a 10. He's always been my favorite on there too. Him and Kate (Evangeline Lily).

Yes, maybe he's a 15 with dimples then!!! And I know! It bugged me he ended up with Juliette!

[Deb]

Did you see this Deb?? Did you watch Jimmy Kimmel that night of the LOST finale with the cast? This youtube is from that when Josh Holloway couldnt' be there. He made this joke thing. I think you'll like it! I LOVE his dimples I hope he gets a new show too!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSEcANGlv08

That was hilarious! What a good sport. And I swear to gawd Lynn, we must have been separated at birth. I am a complete sucker for dimples........LOL, a friend used to tease me about it...........she says a guy could be a 5, but if he has dimples, it bumps him right up to a 10!

He is a 10 at least!

When the cast was talking, Jimmy Kimmel asked them who the "least professional" one on set was as a joke, and they looked at each other and Terry O'Quinn said "josh holloway" I said to my husband, "see, that's why I like him so much!!"

LOL, he started as a 10. He's always been my favorite on there too. Him and Kate (Evangeline Lily).

Yes, maybe he's a 15 with dimples then!!! And I know! It bugged me he ended up with Juliette!

Yeah, me too............was rooting for my Canadian sistah!

[X factor]

Of course, everything that happened in the show could have been Jack seeing his life flash before his eyes right before he dies in the crash. A snapshot of what is, what was what could be. A St. Elsewhere moment minus the snow globe.

I'll stick with The Discovery Channel.

Bot, I get the frustration. I stayed with it for the full ride, and in alot of ways (the PLOT for instance!) it let me down somewhat. BUT , as someone else mentioned, from the character aspect, it was fairly satisfying. The producers did what I think they HAD to do with that finale, which was tug (nay...YANK) on the heartstrings. AND to a degree I think it worked.
My heart was overjoyed at the finale, but my head was very annoyed!

[StevePerryHair]

Of course, everything that happened in the show could have been Jack seeing his life flash before his eyes right before he dies in the crash. A snapshot of what is, what was what could be. A St. Elsewhere moment minus the snow globe.

I'll stick with The Discovery Channel.

Bot, I get the frustration. I stayed with it for the full ride, and in alot of ways (the PLOT for instance!) it let me down somewhat. BUT , as someone else mentioned, from the character aspect, it was fairly satisfying. The producers did what I think they HAD to do with that finale, which was tug (nay...YANK) on the heartstrings. AND to a degree I think it worked.
My heart was overjoyed at the finale, but my head was very annoyed!

It made my brain hurt too much that night for my heart to be touched

[Jana]

Of course, everything that happened in the show could have been Jack seeing his life flash before his eyes right before he dies in the crash. A snapshot of what is, what was what could be. A St. Elsewhere moment minus the snow globe.

I'll stick with The Discovery Channel.

Bot, I get the frustration. I stayed with it for the full ride, and in alot of ways (the PLOT for instance!) it let me down somewhat. BUT , as someone else mentioned, from the character aspect, it was fairly satisfying. The producers did what I think they HAD to do with that finale, which was tug (nay...YANK) on the heartstrings. AND to a degree I think it worked.
My heart was overjoyed at the finale, but my head was very annoyed!

It made my brain hurt too much that night for my heart to be touched

Did they leave it so that they might have a movie out of it?

[Don]

Of course, everything that happened in the show could have been Jack seeing his life flash before his eyes right before he dies in the crash. A snapshot of what is, what was what could be. A St. Elsewhere moment minus the snow globe.

I'll stick with The Discovery Channel.

Bot, I get the frustration. I stayed with it for the full ride, and in alot of ways (the PLOT for instance!) it let me down somewhat. BUT , as someone else mentioned, from the character aspect, it was fairly satisfying. The producers did what I think they HAD to do with that finale, which was tug (nay...YANK) on the heartstrings. AND to a degree I think it worked.
My heart was overjoyed at the finale, but my head was very annoyed!

It made my brain hurt too much that night for my heart to be touched

Did they leave it so that they might have a movie out of it?

They're all dead. What's the point?

[Sarah]

I had a similar problem with the latest Star Trek movie that was also done by the Lost guy. Time travel- too easy and too over used. It really seems like Abrahams is the Stephen King of TV/Movies. "I don't know how to end this, or I'm tired of it, so here's a really lame ending for you".

Star Trek has always used time travel. It's in all of the Trek series! See this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:S ... el_stories and also, Star Trek IV was centered around time travel. Abrams wasn't introducing anything new there. And I can't think of a better way for them to have rebooted the series while preserving the old Trek canon than an alternate universe.

They didn't preserve the canon. They erased it. Young Spock even says so at one point...when he says that when Mr. Romulan driller person came back in time that he instantly created a new timeline that neither side could reliably predict.

Uh, a new timeline progressing in an alternate universe alongside the original canon is what they were going for. Think Doc Brown's diagram in BTTF II. Will they ever go back and visit it? Probably not. But it's not replaced, else Old Spock and the Romulans would have ceased to exist.

[Sarah]

They're all dead. What's the point?

They could easily make a movie about Hurley and Ben's reign over the island, and what happens to Kate, Sawyer, Claire and the rest of the survivors...

Personally, though, I think they couldn't figure out how to explain it so they just went the "oh well, it doesn't matter now!" route.

[SherriBerry]

I had the final episode DVRd and watched it tonight - I watched the recap last night because I missed the last season. It's DVRd too, but the season started the day I moved and I never got around to watching the episodes I still have recorded!

At first I thought the alternate timeline was, well, an alternate timeline (like Star Trek) that fractured off when the nuclear bomb went off, but it turns out it was an alternate existence between this life and the next. The adventure on the Island really happened in their lifetimes - Jack died saving the Island and the others who died really died (Locke, Charlie, Jin, Sun, etc.) and the ones who survived (Kate, Sawyer, Claire, Hurley, Linus, etc.) lived their lives. The Island was not Purgatory, nor was the alternate existence. As his father explained, Jack was dead and in a place the survivors created together to find each other again. There is a theory that the world as we know it is the result of the collective conscience of humanity - every thought we have had and continue to have projects an energy which together creates the world and reality around us - that the survivors created a world of their own to find each other works for me. As Christian said, "Now does not exist here". It seems like none of them could let go and "move on" when they died without waiting to find the others and move on to the next adventure together.

From a character standpoint, I was fine with the ending - some characters died and some survived to go on and live their lives. Hurley told Ben that he had been a "good #2", so we know that they lived on for however many years together on the Island with Hurley as the new protector. In terms of the mystical, science fiction aspects of the show, I wish they had explained more of the origins of the Island and what it all meant, but that is life - literally. You don't get to have all of the answers and the mysteries of life mostly remain just that. Perhaps a few of the lucky get to understand it in greater depths, but often we are left with more questions than answers. Besides, if they gave everything away, there would be no 'Lost: The Movie" - you know it's coming to the big screen! I do not think that the finale was the result of them not having the answers themselves - I think it was their way of giving us an ending without giving everything away. They still have a great many things to work with - the years of Hurley and Ben on the Island, what happened to Kate, Claire , and Sawyer, etc. They probably came back to the Island at some point - the stories do not end here.

[Monker]

I had a similar problem with the latest Star Trek movie that was also done by the Lost guy. Time travel- too easy and too over used. It really seems like Abrahams is the Stephen King of TV/Movies. "I don't know how to end this, or I'm tired of it, so here's a really lame ending for you".

Star Trek has always used time travel. It's in all of the Trek series! See this list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:S ... el_stories and also, Star Trek IV was centered around time travel. Abrams wasn't introducing anything new there. And I can't think of a better way for them to have rebooted the series while preserving the old Trek canon than an alternate universe.

They didn't preserve the canon. They erased it. Young Spock even says so at one point...when he says that when Mr. Romulan driller person came back in time that he instantly created a new timeline that neither side could reliably predict.

Uh, a new timeline progressing in an alternate universe alongside the original canon is what they were going for. Think Doc Brown's diagram in BTTF II. Will they ever go back and visit it? Probably not. But it's not replaced, else Old Spock and the Romulans would have ceased to exist.

Of course it was. My point is that in the process the entire TOS, TNG, and the other moves and series' are meaningless to the future of the franchise. As you even said, it is unlikely they will revisit it. So, for all intents and purposes, the canon is erased, except for the last movie and ST:Enterprise, since that series (the worst in the franchise, IMO) occurred BEFORE the time line changed.

So, even though I absolutely love the last ST movie, it takes everything that Roddenberry did and flushes it in the toilet...which is a sad thing to do to the creator of the franchise...an incredibly epic franchise.