Jon Bon Jovi's Daughter OD's On Heroin

[yulog]

And my post had NOTHING to do with the schools or government teaching anything! PEOPLE voted to make pot legal, not the government. PEOPLE are lying about its safety, not the government or schools. You are so random. Most if the time. And you just can't see it.

You didn't specify anywhere in that initial post that you were specifically excluding schools or government. You want me to rely on psychic powers or a crystal ball instead?

You want to talk about safely? Nothing is health-safe about anal sex.

nothing is health safe about washing your ass with your hand either.

Look, you do a lot of weird things and have weird behaviors you share here, but most people overlook it, and don't judge you. Maybe you can do the same.

And my initial post was clear as to what I mean. The safety of a drug disributed by DRUG DEALERS! I can't help it you're slow.

How do you wash your ass without using your hands?

Water pik shower massage

[No Surprize]

"um, I don't think they are lacing cigarettes and alcohol with Heroine or other highly addictive drugs. If DRUG DEALERS were distributing them... maybe. That's my point. Is the government going to regulate what's in that legal joint? No.

They started doing that in Colorado and California already. Local and state authorities (as they like to be called, kind of like the Gestapo) regularly inspect the

stores that are legally licensed to dispense. These stores grow and sell their product from their own. Grow-houses on premises and they are allowed to have up

to 800 plants at a time. In addition, their are cameras everywhere that the local and state authorities monitor at all times. And I know I can't speak for everyone,

but when I was in college, you could tell if it a joint was "laced" immediately. First hit, the smell and flavor. Now that it legal in some states and the gestapo is on

top of things, it will weed out the drug dealers and we can all enjoy some "wild mountain honey".

[StevePerryHair]

"um, I don't think they are lacing cigarettes and alcohol with Heroine or other highly addictive drugs. If DRUG DEALERS were distributing them... maybe. That's my point. Is the government going to regulate what's in that legal joint? No.

They started doing that in Colorado and California already. Local and state authorities (as they like to be called, kind of like the Gestapo) regularly inspect the

stores that are legally licensed to dispense. These stores grow and sell their product from their own. Grow-houses on premises and they are allowed to have up

to 800 plants at a time. In addition, their are cameras everywhere that the local and state authorities monitor at all times. And I know I can't speak for everyone,

but when I was in college, you could tell if it a joint was "laced" immediately. First hit, the smell and flavor. Now that it legal in some states and the gestapo is on

top of things, it will weed out the drug dealers and we can all enjoy some "wild mountain honey".

Well I hope it will be regulated that way.

I think what really upsets me is that as soon as something is legal, teens think and assume its safe. And what is safe for an adult brain, is not necessarily so on a developing brain. That is true of alcohol too. I don't want to see my kids abuse anything, legal or not. I just think in this movement to prove pot should be legal, an injustice has been done. There are all these studies done to prove their cause, making young people believe it's 100% safe for them. And they don't believe the studies saying otherwise. I blame the American medical association for not doing their job in showing the adverse affects it can have on some young minds. And there are plenty. Maybe you smoked an occasional joint when you were young, and were fine. But long term, or frequent use can be a different story. And every developing brain is different too. You may have just been lucky.

I just hope along with it will be HONEST education like we have with cigarettes and alcohol. Along with the dangers of being high and driving. That there won't be more lies about its safety, making impressionable young people think its a safe thing to do, and not harmful. I've read a lot, and that's what the proponents want everyone to believe. Because of course, they want it legal at any expense. Alcohol use is down in high schools. But pot use is on the rise. These kids are being lied to.

*edit* Let me add that I am not saying the lies come from schools or the government...Sushi is not a mind reader, so I had to specify!

[Boomchild]

Words like....cocks up the ass? Well isn't that what they do?

it was more judging the normalcy. To them it is. Such as wiping your ass with your hand is to you.

Point is, your response was random and nothing to do with MY point or this thread at all. Be random somewhere else and not on my posts.

thats what upsets me about all this "legalize marijuana" crap, making our kids believe it's safe

And I was saying "your right" plus offering another example of how kids are being forced to believe in other things too.

Thats a pretty big stretch to relate the two points. The schools aren't saying that drugs are safe. "They" is the media and potheads who want to see it legalized. How do you know what they are teaching and how they are teaching about gay sex in the schools anyway?

The suicide rate in gay teens is very high. IF there are schools teaching about it, I would guess its to build a tolerance so kids who know they are gay at that age, don't have to feel "abnormal" or like they are sick. Like much if society including you makes them feel. I don't have a problem with that. My kids know openly gay people in high school, and I don't have a problem with that either. I have a very close gay family member, and he is very much normal. I assure you. And his life would have been a lot easier had teens been taught tolerance when he was growing up. His childhood was torturous.

So take your crap about gay stuff and stuff it. I was talking about drugs, the topic of this thread. I'm really not interested on your opinions of gay people.

My opinion wasn't based on "gay people". It was based on what the government is letting teachers teach kids that I don't feel should be part of the public schooling curriculum.

This is like the argument that has been had over teaching creation in public schools. The real point is that the government or it's agencies are not meant to raise your children or their beliefs. That's the job of the parent(s). The parents are responsible for "teaching" their children the beliefs and values they think are right for their children. The problem is that some parents don't do an effective job at it or ignore it all together and the actions of some of the youth today reflect that.

[SF-Dano]

I know several long-time regular pot users. All are smart, productive members of society. They own homes, are parents, own businesses/are dependable employees. It is simply their recreational drug of choice on their own time. There are bad people that smoke weed, absolutely, but bad people come in all types, even clean and sober. And effects "are" much more benign than with alcohol. There is no physical withdrawal/addiction as there is with alcohol, though there is definitely a mental addiction. As for teens, they have always been able to find whatever they want whether legal or not. It should be obvious by now, after a very long "war on drugs" and the "just say no" campaigns (etc.), that things are not going to change. There will always be kids that want to buy drugs and there will always be someone there to sell to them. All we can do is try to be the best parents we can and instill the values in them that we feel are correct. I personally would wrather have a teen smoking a joint or two with his friends and chillin out to a movie, than developing a physical addiction to alcohol drinking a sixer or whatever while chillin out to do the same thing.

[StevePerryHair]

There most certainly IS a withdrawal and addiction with pot, especially in long term use. THC. That's one of the lies.

[StevePerryHair]

Here...and you can find many other sources...not the ones the potheads put out. Trust me, I know about all the documentaries for "the cause" trying to make everyone believe its the best safest thing on earth. LIES.

http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-a ... our-heroin

[SF-Dano]

I have never seen anyone physically breakdown coming off/quitting marijuana. I stated there is a mental, or psychological if you prefer, addiction or dependency.

From the same source -
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/rea ... -addictive

If you acknowledge that psychological withdrawal symptoms consitiute withdrawal, then there is no doubt that marijuana meets all of the criteria to be considered addicting.

IF being the operative word. I personally would seperate a physical and psycological addiction into two different categories. With the physical being far, far worse and extremely harder to overcome than the psycological. Sure there are "psychological" issues to deal with in long term marijuana use, but what things don't we apply psychological addiction to these day? We have given everything a psychological addiction excuse . Food addicitions, sex addictions, cyber-reality addiction, work-a-holic, gambling, etc. What does that say about our society today?

From the Conclusion of article:

Just like alcohol, some folks can smoke marijuana with little downside. It's those who start to use marijuana as a crutch, who find they must have a hit to get through the day, who cannot go a length of time without getting high, no matter what the costs.... that's when it becomes clear there's a problem. If you are having an issue with family, friends or career, and others believe that marijuana is the cause and you want to prove them wrong, there is an easy way. I tell my patients to stop smoking, completely, for six months. If you can do that, then you are probably okay. If you can't, or won’t, then guess what? You are probably addicted.
It's just a matter of time before marijuana is legalized. As more and more states put fewer and fewer restrictions on marijuana, eventually it will be legal to smoke, eat, sell and even cultivate. So, should we fight the legalization of this addictive drug? Of course not.
Chronic alcohol use causes many known physical problems, clearly defined brain damage, more auto-related fatalities and disrupts more families and careers then marijuana does, by far.It simply means that users will need to take charge of the amount and frequency of their use of this controversial drug, just like they should do with alcohol, saturated fats and sugar. That's not such a bad thing — it's called personal responsibility.

[StevePerryHair]

THC is a chemical. That makes it a PHYSICAL dependency. You choose to believe lies by the proponents, that's fine. Enjoy your pot, by all means! But it's the kids and the lies they believe. It's why I blame the American medical association. That have not spent enough time and money educating people on the harm of the drug. Who says everyone who does a drug is stupid? Or not a good person? I never said that. That doesn't make it not harmful. I just am tired of hearing how it does no harm and isn't addictive. It's lies. You choose to believe it, I don't.

[SF-Dano]

Fair enough. We are just discussing things here. You put creedence in what you read. I put creedence in what I have seen and lived.

[StevePerryHair]

Fair enough. We are just discussing things here. You put creedence in what you read. I put creedence in what I have seen and lived.

Part of it is what I've seen personally. And it breaks my heart. But I'm not really willing to share here.

[Behshad]

THC is a chemical. That makes it a PHYSICAL dependency. You choose to believe lies by the proponents, that's fine. Enjoy your pot, by all means! But it's the kids and the lies they believe. It's why I blame the American medical association. That have not spent enough time and money educating people on the harm of the drug. Who says everyone who does a drug is stupid? Or not a good person? I never said that. That doesn't make it not harmful. I just am tired of hearing how it does no harm and isn't addictive. It's lies. You choose to believe it, I don't.

Alcohol is a lot more addictive than pot . ciggarettes are even more addictive than both.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I'm addicted to juicy sushi.

[Behshad]

I'm addicted to juicy sushi.

I dont think she wants you to share her nickname with us. Shame on you !

[StevePerryHair]

THC is a chemical. That makes it a PHYSICAL dependency. You choose to believe lies by the proponents, that's fine. Enjoy your pot, by all means! But it's the kids and the lies they believe. It's why I blame the American medical association. That have not spent enough time and money educating people on the harm of the drug. Who says everyone who does a drug is stupid? Or not a good person? I never said that. That doesn't make it not harmful. I just am tired of hearing how it does no harm and isn't addictive. It's lies. You choose to believe it, I don't.

Alcohol is a lot more addictive than pot . ciggarettes are even more addictive than both.

i disagree. I don't care if I'm the only one either. You can all feel what you want.

[Behshad]

THC is a chemical. That makes it a PHYSICAL dependency. You choose to believe lies by the proponents, that's fine. Enjoy your pot, by all means! But it's the kids and the lies they believe. It's why I blame the American medical association. That have not spent enough time and money educating people on the harm of the drug. Who says everyone who does a drug is stupid? Or not a good person? I never said that. That doesn't make it not harmful. I just am tired of hearing how it does no harm and isn't addictive. It's lies. You choose to believe it, I don't.

Alcohol is a lot more addictive than pot . ciggarettes are even more addictive than both.

i disagree. I don't care if I'm the only one either. You can all feel what you want.

So you disagree that ciggarettes are more addivctive than pot?

There are many chain smokers. but I have never heard of chain-pot-smokers.

Drug Rating

Nicotine 99

Alcohol 81

Heroin 80

Cocaine (Nasal) 71

Caffeine 70

Marijuana 22

Conclusion:
(1) The most addictive drug, nicotine, is not only not scheduled, it can be purchased without a prescription by anyone over the age of 18.

(2) Cocaine is about as addictive as coffee or tea's caffeine.

(3) Alcohol is about as addictive as heroin.

Source Data:
Reformatted from the book The Chemistry of Mind-Altering Drugs by Daniel M. Perrine, Ph.D., Associate Professor of Chemistry at Loyola College, Baltimore, Maryland. Published by the American Chemical Society, Washington D.C., 1997.*

"Hooked: Why Isn't Everyone an Addict?" by Deborah Franklin, In Health magazine, volume 4, number 6, pp. 38-52, November/December 1990

[The Sushi Hunter]

THC is a chemical. That makes it a PHYSICAL dependency. You choose to believe lies by the proponents, that's fine. Enjoy your pot, by all means! But it's the kids and the lies they believe. It's why I blame the American medical association. That have not spent enough time and money educating people on the harm of the drug. Who says everyone who does a drug is stupid? Or not a good person? I never said that. That doesn't make it not harmful. I just am tired of hearing how it does no harm and isn't addictive. It's lies. You choose to believe it, I don't.

Alcohol is a lot more addictive than pot . ciggarettes are even more addictive than both.

i disagree. I don't care if I'm the only one either. You can all feel what you want.

So you disagree that ciggarettes are more addivctive than pot?

There are many chain smokers. but I have never heard of chain-pot-smokers.

Come on Behshad, sure you have. Their at the dispensory as soon as they run out and need more.

[StevePerryHair]

THC is a chemical. That makes it a PHYSICAL dependency. You choose to believe lies by the proponents, that's fine. Enjoy your pot, by all means! But it's the kids and the lies they believe. It's why I blame the American medical association. That have not spent enough time and money educating people on the harm of the drug. Who says everyone who does a drug is stupid? Or not a good person? I never said that. That doesn't make it not harmful. I just am tired of hearing how it does no harm and isn't addictive. It's lies. You choose to believe it, I don't.

Alcohol is a lot more addictive than pot . ciggarettes are even more addictive than both.

i disagree. I don't care if I'm the only one either. You can all feel what you want.

For the record, I wasn't disagreeing these other things aren't addictive and harmful too. I was disagreeing about pot being safe, harmless and non-addictive, which seems to be what the legalize it side wants everyone to believe. I guess emotions had me not reading it right. I really was just conceding from the argument. I don't care anymore. Everyone get high and have fun! And good luck with that!

[Boomchild]

And effects "are" much more benign than with alcohol.

You mean "benign" such as lung cancer associated with smoking pot?

[SF-Dano]

And effects "are" much more benign than with alcohol.

You mean "benign" such as lung cancer associated with smoking pot?

In context, I was talking about addictive effects and withdrawal. When someone quits pot use they simply do not portray the physical symptoms that you find with alcohol. Jitters, Vomiting, Convulsions, etc. In general, an alcoholic is going to do more damage to his body more quickly than a chronic pot smoker.

It is interesting to read the opinions of some regarding the pot issue compared to their veiw points in the political/presidential thread. This is obviously one issue that has supporters and opponents on both sides of the political fence.