Iron Man III verdict...

[G.I.Jim]

Just got back from watching it, and I thought it was pretty awesome! Cool story and of course the special effects were over the top. I've read that many comic fans HATE how they portrayed the Mandarin, but personally I think those people are nerds. Very happy with it overall. Anyone else here see it?

[YoungJRNY]

Casuals and the people who are looking for a good looking movie with spontaneous humor and nice action involved will like it, but according to most, Tony Stark 3 ( ) falls overwhelmingly short of the overall expectations where the bar was ultimately set with this movie.

Granted, it's a very, very successful trilogy from a franchise that started out as a sleeper and road into the mighty team-up of the Avengers, but the film doesn't live up to the standard it was thought out to be and I've been seeing average reviews across the board.

Of course, the comic-book communities voices will be heard but the casual's will love it and I'm sure Downey Jr will be tempted to don the Iron in another spinoff givin' the amount of money it has already earned in 3 days time ($175.3 million opening weekend at the domestic box office the second-biggest debut ever, behind the $207.4 million start last year for The Avengers.)

[verslibre]

Just got back from watching it, and I thought it was pretty awesome! Cool story and of course the special effects were over the top. I've read that many comic fans HATE how they portrayed the Mandarin, but personally I think those people are nerds. Very happy with it overall. Anyone else here see it?

The first movie is still the best.

The Mandarin "twist" was actually pretty stupid. It's got nothing to do with nerddom or geekdom or whatever you want to call it. Guy Pearce was awesome, but they should've played it straight. The whole middle of the movie after the attack on Stark's home was just C-O-R-N-Y. Shane Black shouldn't direct any more movies. He co-wrote the screenplay and there were too many dumb jokes.

The finale was pretty badass but it was almost a case of too little, too late.

[verslibre]

Casuals and the people who are looking for a good looking movie with spontaneous humor and nice action involved will like it, but according to most, Tony Stark 3 ( ) falls overwhelmingly short of the overall expectations where the bar was ultimately set with this movie.

Granted, it's a very, very successful trilogy from a franchise that started out as a sleeper and road into the mighty team-up of the Avengers, but the film doesn't live up to the standard it was thought out to be and I've been seeing average reviews across the board.

Of course, the comic-book communities voices will be heard but the casual's will love it and I'm sure Downey Jr will be tempted to don the Iron in another spinoff givin' the amount of money it has already earned in 3 days time ($175.3 million opening weekend at the domestic box office the second-biggest debut ever, behind the $207.4 million start last year for The Avengers.)

Six years ago, Marvel didn't want Downey to be Stark because he was already considered a hasbeen. The dude was broke, too. Now he's A-1 material and he will definitely do the fourth movie. (The last line of the movie all but confirms it.)

[No Surprize]

My son went to see it this weekend. He told me it's the BEST one of the three, I'm in.

[Rip Rokken]

Six years ago, Marvel didn't want Downey to be Stark because he was already considered a hasbeen. The dude was broke, too. Now he's A-1 material and he will definitely do the fourth movie. (The last line of the movie all but confirms it.)

Gwyneth Paltrow stated that she thinks they finished up with this one. But hey... rumor has it that Downey wants $100 MIL for Avengers 2, so who knows... he might be willing to return again. The guy has done an absolutely, incredible job with the character.

[strangegrey]

Where do I begin???

First, let me say...I read the comics. I got into it heavily last year. I'm not one of these guys:

But I go to a comic store where they all hang out..and they all know me by name. Hopefully I wont start looking like them.

I've been following Ironman since the Extremis series and Captain America since the start of vol 5 (which contains the winter solder storyline - the basis for the upcoming cap movie). I got into comics, largely because of the movies -- which admittedly, is the reverse of how it's usually done...but none-the-less, when I now watch these movies, I'm seeing a bigger picture than your average movie goer.

As a result, I'm big into these movies and have been since nov of 11. When the time Avengers came out (my first 'MCU' movie on the big screen) I ended up seeing it 6 times in the theater. Yes 6. I've seen IM3 twice since its release last weekend. I probably wont see it again until it's released on DVD. That should give you a preview of what I'm about to say. But none-the-less, I was unhappy with it on a number of levels.

First, let me warn you. I'm not going to shield my words here. DONT READ FURTHER IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SPOILERS!

1) MCU theming - Apparently, one of the reasons for Jon Favreau's falling out with Marvel (and the reason he didn't produce IM2 or 3) was that he balked against the cross-threading and Marvel Cinematic Universe synergy that Marvel was pushing. He didn't want much or any Avengers easter eggs dropped into the films -- so when planning for IM2 commenced, Favreau blew a gasket and walked. I guess, since Ironman 2 was less well-received than IM, they decided to strip IM3 of all easter eggs. Personally, I *hated* that aspect. I think I speak for most comic geeks in saying that *some* threading with the MCU is good and in my opinion, necessary. They made this movie a stand-alone, when they should have at the very least tied it in to the MCU in some way more than as a plot device for Tony's anxiety.

2) Tony's anxiety attacks - Seriously? I mean, either use this as a plot device or don't. But don't throw it in there as useless fart juice when it doesn't need to be. His anxiety attacks offered absolutely NOTHING to the movie. He has an anxiety attack in a bar and in Rose Hill, TN. Both of which have zero impact on the plot or Tony's struggle.

3) Timing plot hole - So he drives all the way from TN to Miami in a stolen audi and enters the Mandarin's lair with some home depot invented tech....despite the fact that he was able to at least get Jarvis back up and running before he even left TN. My issue is, why go into Home Depot at all? Have Jarvis send one of the other 35 suits to him in TN. This way, he doesn't have to drive 55-65mph down to Miami. He can get there in a flash and confront the Mandarin fully suited up. It doesn't make sense. It's a plot hole that I'm uncomfortable with. It's not as bad as the black hole sized plot hole in the middle of Star Wars IV, but it's pretty large.

4) The Mandarin - this plot twist was one of the most disturbingly cheap, offensive, movie-rope-a-dopes I've ever encountered. Prior to the release of the movie, we were lead to believe that the Mandarin was going to be the most heinous evil bad guy of all movies ever released. He was going to make Darth Vader, Kahn Singh, Lord Voldemort, Davy Jones and Health Ledger's Joker all look like Mary Poppins. All of the pre-movie lead up was building this guy up to be the personification of absolute pure evil. But we find out that this guy is really just a doped up, out-of-work english actor with stinky shits. Talk about feeling completely mislead and lied to. Whats worse is they decided to further validate the Mandarin, prior to the reveal, by using the 'Ten Rings' which, per Iron Man 1, was a legitimate terrorist organization. Also, The Mandarin is historically known as Tony Stark's major nemesis in the comic books. He's Tony's Red Skull. So in a matter of 2 hours and 20 minutes, Kevin Feige, Shane Black and countless others invalidated a legitimate nemesis in IM1 and Stark's main nemesis in the comic books. WTF?!?!?!? W.T.F.!!!!!!!!

5) The score - The score was far more thematic than prior. Although I loved the score, I didn't love it for Ironman 3. I actually bought it and listen to it, because I think it's a great score (almost on par with Alan Silvestri's Captain America and Avengers' scores). But for Ironman? Nope. Dont want it. I wanted to hear the grit of previous Ironman films. I wanted to hear some AC/DC. To this day, Shoot To Thrill is no longer an AC/DC song, but an Ironman song. I love the way these movies have kindled a new-found love for AC/DC that I never had....and they threw it all away, so they had some thematic, hero score. It didn't fit for me.

6) Pepper's Extremis exposure - So the whole movie is plot-driven around these extremis patients who are spontaneously combusting to the tune of 3000 degrees. Yet, Tony fixes Pepper in a flash. It's such an afterthought that we don't even see Tony fix her. We just trust his narrative. Seriously let down about this.

7) Tony's chest piece - So he could have had this thing removed any time he wanted? WTF? Why now? Oh I get it. He doesn't need the suit anymore, right? So we waited until he no longer needed the suits? Another cheap plot twist that invalidates prior movies. Fuck Shane Black. FUCK Shane Black. F.U.C.K. Shane Black!!

8 ) "Tony Stark will return" - so everyone's looking at this last sentence before that silly post-credits bromance scene between Stark and Banner as proof that Robert Downey Jr has signed on for more Ironman and that it's not over for Stark. What scares me about this is that it says 'Tony Stark will return' not 'Ironman will return' I've been wanting to go back to IM1 and IM2 and see if there's any mention like this for Stark or Ironman, as it would further scare me....but I'm growing very concerned that Marvel is going to continue pulling from the comics for plot lines and stories, and I have some concerns there. So far, in MCU phase one, we were introduced to each character, Hulk, IM, Thor and Cap...and they assembled to deal with Loki and the Chitauri. Then, we see Ironman 3 and there's hints that Tony Stark is hanging up the suits. We already know that the new Cap Movie deals with the Winter Solder (and that Crossbones is in it as well). What most non-comic readers are not aware of is the fact that the Marvel comic universe goes fucking apeshit right after these events. For example:

• After Tony deals with Extremis, he becomes a supporter of a super-hero registration act that results in him becoming director of shield
• Ironman duties eventually fall to James Rhodey Rhodes, who hangs up War Machine/Iron Patriot in favor of Ironman.
• As director of shield, Tony sparks off a Civil War between super-heros which Steve Rogers (Captain America) becomes an enemy of both Stark and the US government.
• Steve Rogers eventually turns himself in to avoid the deaths of fellow supers, and as he's walking into the courtroom, he's murdered by both Crossbones and a very brainwashed Sharon Carter.
• James Bucky Barnes, after spending decades as the Winter Solder -- murdering for the soviets and being put on ice between missions, is finally freed of his brainwashing, returns to the US and hides in shame.
• After Steve Rogers is killed, Bucky -- who is *not* super, just a good fighter, steals Cap's shied from Tony Stark and becomes the new Captain America.

While I do think a Civil War between the Avengers would make for an absolutely *fantastic* Avengers 2 -- I'm very concerned that if Marvel goes in this direction, they will also have Tony Stark hang up the suits and slide in as director of Shield. Im *terrified* that Steve Rogers is going to be killed...as I love Chris Evans as Cap.

We've already seen hints of Tony giving up the suits in IM3. We know crossbones is in Winter Solder. If Nick Fury dies in the next few movies, that'll be another hint. If in Winter Solder, Cap eventually turns Bucky back to the good side, that'll be more hints...

I've generally been very happy with the way Marvel has developed the MCU...however, after seeing all of the plot issues and annoyances with IM3, I hope they don't fuck up anything else moving forward.

[G.I.Jim]

Where do I begin???

First, let me say...I read the comics. I got into it heavily last year. I'm not one of these guys:

But I go to a comic store where they all hang out..and they all know me by name. Hopefully I wont start looking like them.

I've been following Ironman since the Extremis series and Captain America since the start of vol 5 (which contains the winter solder storyline - the basis for the upcoming cap movie). I got into comics, largely because of the movies -- which admittedly, is the reverse of how it's usually done...but none-the-less, when I now watch these movies, I'm seeing a bigger picture than your average movie goer.

As a result, I'm big into these movies and have been since nov of 11. When the time Avengers came out (my first 'MCU' movie on the big screen) I ended up seeing it 6 times in the theater. Yes 6. I've seen IM3 twice since its release last weekend. I probably wont see it again until it's released on DVD. That should give you a preview of what I'm about to say. But none-the-less, I was unhappy with it on a number of levels.

First, let me warn you. I'm not going to shield my words here. DONT READ FURTHER IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SPOILERS!

1) MCU theming - Apparently, one of the reasons for Jon Favreau's falling out with Marvel (and the reason he didn't produce IM2 or 3) was that he balked against the cross-threading and Marvel Cinematic Universe synergy that Marvel was pushing. He didn't want much or any Avengers easter eggs dropped into the films -- so when planning for IM2 commenced, Favreau blew a gasket and walked. I guess, since Ironman 2 was less well-received than IM, they decided to strip IM3 of all easter eggs. Personally, I *hated* that aspect. I think I speak for most comic geeks in saying that *some* threading with the MCU is good and in my opinion, necessary. They made this movie a stand-alone, when they should have at the very least tied it in to the MCU in some way more than as a plot device for Tony's anxiety.

2) Tony's anxiety attacks - Seriously? I mean, either use this as a plot device or don't. But don't throw it in there as useless fart juice when it doesn't need to be. His anxiety attacks offered absolutely NOTHING to the movie. He has an anxiety attack in a bar and in Rose Hill, TN. Both of which have zero impact on the plot or Tony's struggle.

3) Timing plot hole - So he drives all the way from TN to Miami in a stolen audi and enters the Mandarin's lair with some home depot invented tech....despite the fact that he was able to at least get Jarvis back up and running before he even left TN. My issue is, why go into Home Depot at all? Have Jarvis send one of the other 35 suits to him in TN. This way, he doesn't have to drive 55-65mph down to Miami. He can get there in a flash and confront the Mandarin fully suited up. It doesn't make sense. It's a plot hole that I'm uncomfortable with. It's not as bad as the black hole sized plot hole in the middle of Star Wars IV, but it's pretty large.

4) The Mandarin - this plot twist was one of the most disturbingly cheap, offensive, movie-rope-a-dopes I've ever encountered. Prior to the release of the movie, we were lead to believe that the Mandarin was going to be the most heinous evil bad guy of all movies ever released. He was going to make Darth Vader, Kahn Singh, Lord Voldemort, Davy Jones and Health Ledger's Joker all look like Mary Poppins. All of the pre-movie lead up was building this guy up to be the personification of absolute pure evil. But we find out that this guy is really just a doped up, out-of-work english actor with stinky shits. Talk about feeling completely mislead and lied to. Whats worse is they decided to further validate the Mandarin, prior to the reveal, by using the 'Ten Rings' which, per Iron Man 1, was a legitimate terrorist organization. Also, The Mandarin is historically known as Tony Stark's major nemesis in the comic books. He's Tony's Red Skull. So in a matter of 2 hours and 20 minutes, Kevin Feige, Shane Black and countless others invalidated a legitimate nemesis in IM1 and Stark's main nemesis in the comic books. WTF?!?!?!? W.T.F.!!!!!!!!

5) The score - The score was far more thematic than prior. Although I loved the score, I didn't love it for Ironman 3. I actually bought it and listen to it, because I think it's a great score (almost on par with Alan Silvestri's Captain America and Avengers' scores). But for Ironman? Nope. Dont want it. I wanted to hear the grit of previous Ironman films. I wanted to hear some AC/DC. To this day, Shoot To Thrill is no longer an AC/DC song, but an Ironman song. I love the way these movies have kindled a new-found love for AC/DC that I never had....and they threw it all away, so they had some thematic, hero score. It didn't fit for me.

6) Pepper's Extremis exposure - So the whole movie is plot-driven around these extremis patients who are spontaneously combusting to the tune of 3000 degrees. Yet, Tony fixes Pepper in a flash. It's such an afterthought that we don't even see Tony fix her. We just trust his narrative. Seriously let down about this.

7) Tony's chest piece - So he could have had this thing removed any time he wanted? WTF? Why now? Oh I get it. He doesn't need the suit anymore, right? So we waited until he no longer needed the suits? Another cheap plot twist that invalidates prior movies. Fuck Shane Black. FUCK Shane Black. F.U.C.K. Shane Black!!

8 ) "Tony Stark will return" - so everyone's looking at this last sentence before that silly post-credits bromance scene between Stark and Banner as proof that Robert Downey Jr has signed on for more Ironman and that it's not over for Stark. What scares me about this is that it says 'Tony Stark will return' not 'Ironman will return' I've been wanting to go back to IM1 and IM2 and see if there's any mention like this for Stark or Ironman, as it would further scare me....but I'm growing very concerned that Marvel is going to continue pulling from the comics for plot lines and stories, and I have some concerns there. So far, in MCU phase one, we were introduced to each character, Hulk, IM, Thor and Cap...and they assembled to deal with Loki and the Chitauri. Then, we see Ironman 3 and there's hints that Tony Stark is hanging up the suits. We already know that the new Cap Movie deals with the Winter Solder (and that Crossbones is in it as well). What most non-comic readers are not aware of is the fact that the Marvel comic universe goes fucking apeshit right after these events. For example:

• After Tony deals with Extremis, he becomes a supporter of a super-hero registration act that results in him becoming director of shield
• Ironman duties eventually fall to James Rhodey Rhodes, who hangs up War Machine/Iron Patriot in favor of Ironman.
• As director of shield, Tony sparks off a Civil War between super-heros which Steve Rogers (Captain America) becomes an enemy of both Stark and the US government.
• Steve Rogers eventually turns himself in to avoid the deaths of fellow supers, and as he's walking into the courtroom, he's murdered by both Crossbones and a very brainwashed Sharon Carter.
• James Bucky Barnes, after spending decades as the Winter Solder -- murdering for the soviets and being put on ice between missions, is finally freed of his brainwashing, returns to the US and hides in shame.
• After Steve Rogers is killed, Bucky -- who is *not* super, just a good fighter, steals Cap's shied from Tony Stark and becomes the new Captain America.

While I do think a Civil War between the Avengers would make for an absolutely *fantastic* Avengers 2 -- I'm very concerned that if Marvel goes in this direction, they will also have Tony Stark hang up the suits and slide in as director of Shield. Im *terrified* that Steve Rogers is going to be killed...as I love Chris Evans as Cap.

We've already seen hints of Tony giving up the suits in IM3. We know crossbones is in Winter Solder. If Nick Fury dies in the next few movies, that'll be another hint. If in Winter Solder, Cap eventually turns Bucky back to the good side, that'll be more hints...

I've generally been very happy with the way Marvel has developed the MCU...however, after seeing all of the plot issues and annoyances with IM3, I hope they don't fuck up anything else moving forward.

So basically... it's the best movie you've ever seen?

[verslibre]

First, let me warn you. I'm not going to shield my words here. DONT READ FURTHER IF YOU'RE CONCERNED ABOUT SPOILERS!

Fire away.

1) MCU theming - Apparently, one of the reasons for Jon Favreau's falling out with Marvel (and the reason he didn't produce IM2 or 3) was that he balked against the cross-threading and Marvel Cinematic Universe synergy that Marvel was pushing. He didn't want much or any Avengers easter eggs dropped into the films -- so when planning for IM2 commenced, Favreau blew a gasket and walked. I guess, since Ironman 2 was less well-received than IM, they decided to strip IM3 of all easter eggs. Personally, I *hated* that aspect. I think I speak for most comic geeks in saying that *some* threading with the MCU is good and in my opinion, necessary. They made this movie a stand-alone, when they should have at the very least tied it in to the MCU in some way more than as a plot device for Tony's anxiety.

If Favreau's reason for bailing out is due to MCU continuity, it must be contagious. Shane Black pretty much followed suit.

2) Tony's anxiety attacks - Seriously? I mean, either use this as a plot device or don't. But don't throw it in there as useless fart juice when it doesn't need to be. His anxiety attacks offered absolutely NOTHING to the movie. He has an anxiety attack in a bar and in Rose Hill, TN. Both of which have zero impact on the plot or Tony's struggle.

Worst macguffin ever. I don't think it even qualifies since it was dispelled in one of the dumbest bits of the trilogy. KID: You're a mechanic...so build something! STARK: Oh...he's right. {Anxiety evaporates within milliseconds}

3) Timing plot hole - So he drives all the way from TN to Miami in a stolen audi and enters the Mandarin's lair with some home depot invented tech....despite the fact that he was able to at least get Jarvis back up and running before he even left TN. My issue is, why go into Home Depot at all? Have Jarvis send one of the other 35 suits to him in TN. This way, he doesn't have to drive 55-65mph down to Miami. He can get there in a flash and confront the Mandarin fully suited up. It doesn't make sense. It's a plot hole that I'm uncomfortable with. It's not as bad as the black hole sized plot hole in the middle of Star Wars IV, but it's pretty large.

Yeah, his "shocker" oven mitt was some badass kit. LOL. Thanks to Shane Black, there are so many inconsistencies in the movie that nobody should ever complain about The Dark Knight Rises again (notice how "Clean Slate" was in that movie, too?). Jarvis fails to alert Tony of the choppers' incoming rockets and when he's in Tennessee, anybody from S.H.I.E.L.D. could have given him a hand. Instead, he has to make do with some kid's garage which hosts a variety of implements that prove to be very convenient. That Tony's stranded like a highway commuter in '85 is a middle finger to the now-established continuity across five movies in five years (2008-2012).

4) The Mandarin - this plot twist was one of the most disturbingly cheap, offensive, movie-rope-a-dopes I've ever encountered. Prior to the release of the movie, we were lead to believe that the Mandarin was going to be the most heinous evil bad guy of all movies ever released. He was going to make Darth Vader, Kahn Singh, Lord Voldemort, Davy Jones and Health Ledger's Joker all look like Mary Poppins. All of the pre-movie lead up was building this guy up to be the personification of absolute pure evil. But we find out that this guy is really just a doped up, out-of-work english actor with stinky shits. Talk about feeling completely mislead and lied to. Whats worse is they decided to further validate the Mandarin, prior to the reveal, by using the 'Ten Rings' which, per Iron Man 1, was a legitimate terrorist organization. Also, The Mandarin is historically known as Tony Stark's major nemesis in the comic books. He's Tony's Red Skull. So in a matter of 2 hours and 20 minutes, Kevin Feige, Shane Black and countless others invalidated a legitimate nemesis in IM1 and Stark's main nemesis in the comic books. WTF?!?!?!? W.T.F.!!!!!!!!

EPIC fail. The trailer promised dark, crazy shit and what we got was stupid humor, stupid dialogue, a fake villain, a real villain who made no sense doing things he didn't have to do, and a neutered Iron Patriot. Rhodey did zip in this flick. Iron Man's Joker/Red Skull/Luthor/Green Goblin turned out to be a fraud. If Killian was behind the Ten Rings in the first movie, then he's the most impractical guy ever because he did a ton of unnecessary shit. He even staged the press conferences with "The Master" (Kingsley's fake Mandarin) on fake sets with all sorts of douchebags around, when nobody ever saw the guy outside of some illegal broadcasts that even got away from S.H.I.E.L.D.

5) The score - The score was far more thematic than prior. Although I loved the score, I didn't love it for Ironman 3. I actually bought it and listen to it, because I think it's a great score (almost on par with Alan Silvestri's Captain America and Avengers' scores). But for Ironman? Nope. Dont want it. I wanted to hear the grit of previous Ironman films. I wanted to hear some AC/DC. To this day, Shoot To Thrill is no longer an AC/DC song, but an Ironman song. I love the way these movies have kindled a new-found love for AC/DC that I never had....and they threw it all away, so they had some thematic, hero score. It didn't fit for me.

No AC/DC and no rock tunes this time was a BIG fail. F U, Shane!

6) Pepper's Extremis exposure - So the whole movie is plot-driven around these extremis patients who are spontaneously combusting to the tune of 3000 degrees. Yet, Tony fixes Pepper in a flash. It's such an afterthought that we don't even see Tony fix her. We just trust his narrative. Seriously let down about this.

The whole Extremis test sequence smacked of the film version of Stephen King's Firestarter. Except Drew Barrymore didn't breathe fire like Draco. Pepper sure turned into a badass. Nice that a side effect of exposure to Extremis was the sudden possession of martial fighting ability.

7) Tony's chest piece - So he could have had this thing removed any time he wanted? WTF? Why now? Oh I get it. He doesn't need the suit anymore, right? So we waited until he no longer needed the suits? Another cheap plot twist that invalidates prior movies. Fuck Shane Black. FUCK Shane Black. F.U.C.K. Shane Black!!

A big Pacino-styled FUKKIM!!! In one fell swoop, Black's ass undid much of what made Tony interesting: the chest reactor and his Iron Man arsenal, which made no sense because the Stark of the comics would do no such thing. Bullshit.

8 ) "Tony Stark will return" - so everyone's looking at this last sentence before that silly post-credits bromance scene between Stark and Banner as proof that Robert Downey Jr has signed on for more Ironman and that it's not over for Stark. What scares me about this is that it says 'Tony Stark will return' not 'Ironman will return' I've been wanting to go back to IM1 and IM2 and see if there's any mention like this for Stark or Ironman, as it would further scare me....but I'm growing very concerned that Marvel is going to continue pulling from the comics for plot lines and stories, and I have some concerns there. So far, in MCU phase one, we were introduced to each character, Hulk, IM, Thor and Cap...and they assembled to deal with Loki and the Chitauri. Then, we see Ironman 3 and there's hints that Tony Stark is hanging up the suits. We already know that the new Cap Movie deals with the Winter Solder (and that Crossbones is in it as well). What most non-comic readers are not aware of is the fact that the Marvel comic universe goes fucking apeshit right after these events. For example:

• After Tony deals with Extremis, he becomes a supporter of a super-hero registration act that results in him becoming director of shield
• Ironman duties eventually fall to James Rhodey Rhodes, who hangs up War Machine/Iron Patriot in favor of Ironman.
• As director of shield, Tony sparks off a Civil War between super-heros which Steve Rogers (Captain America) becomes an enemy of both Stark and the US government.
• Steve Rogers eventually turns himself in to avoid the deaths of fellow supers, and as he's walking into the courtroom, he's murdered by both Crossbones and a very brainwashed Sharon Carter.
• James Bucky Barnes, after spending decades as the Winter Solder -- murdering for the soviets and being put on ice between missions, is finally freed of his brainwashing, returns to the US and hides in shame.
• After Steve Rogers is killed, Bucky -- who is *not* super, just a good fighter, steals Cap's shied from Tony Stark and becomes the new Captain America.

We'll see some variation of these events in years to come. I just hope they don't shoot a Thanos-sized wad too soon. There are plenty of villains they could use. I'd rather see Ultron. That fucker's scary.

[DrFU]

Two thumbs up from me and my techie offspring.

[No Surprize]

I'm not pasting the entire thread that Strange posted, just adding 2 cents of nothingness. I went to see it last night.

While I agree with some of the bashing and nit picking, it was the best movie of the 3. Sure, it could have stuck to the

comic book story line. And just like every other book that's been made into a movie, the movie would have been 6

hours long. It's entertaining and why should you have to follow a certain story line? It's a comic book where people DIE

in them. Then, all of a sudden by some miraculous miracle, they come back to life! Amazing! When I go to see a marvel

movie, I really don't need a plot, a sub-plot, a theme. Just give me a superhero who kicks major ass for 2 hours & it's

all good in my world.

[YoungJRNY]

My Iron Man trilogy ranks as follows:

IM
IM III
IM II

The first Iron Man is still the best put together movie of the trilogy. A sleeper within' it's own right that caught the essence of an up-coming, emerging super-hero played by an actor with the same up-swing and rebirth in Hollywood. The second billing was kind of a try-hard with the success's of the first film but still delivered the goods when needed and IM3, though a different film in style and overall approach to the flick itself that was visually outstanding, the story and plot-twist was somewhat of a letdown givin' the hype.

All in all, great trilogy all superhero fans could love. 8/10. I still label "The Dark Knight" as this generations gem. Heath Ledgers Joker just captivated the screen. Everyone was on the edge of their seat every time his chilling Joker flashed before us. The Joker is arguably comic book's most popular and beloved crazed villain and Ledger's performance did the psychopath more than enough Justice in a world of an already successful Joker performance (Nicholson.)

Of course, I am expecting the bar to be raised even higher in a short month and 2 days from the "King-Daddy" of them all.

[verslibre]

The first Iron Man is still the best put together movie of the trilogy.

Absolutely.

I still label "The Dark Knight" as this generations gem. Heath Ledgers Joker just captivated the screen. Everyone was on the edge of their seat every time his chilling Joker flashed before us. The Joker is arguably comic book's most popular and beloved crazed villain and Ledger's performance did the psychopath more than enough Justice in a world of an already successful Joker performance (Nicholson.)

Absofuckinlutely.

Of course, I am expecting the bar to be raised even higher in a short month and 2 days from the "King-Daddy" of them all.

We'll see.