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Wrestling question......

Postby Deb » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:13 pm

Once a big wrestling fan, especially back in the 70/80s being from Calgary it was huge here as a lot of the wrestlers got there starts here training with the Harts. Lol you know, back when it was more about wrestling and not the male soap opera it's become with stupid story lines/drama. :lol: Just saw in a news feed that another favorite passed........The Ultimate Warrior. :-(

My question is......was the Ultimate Warrior played by two people? One for a short time? I seem to recall one looking a slight bit different, darker hair, bit smaller build. I remember asking years ago about that, was Kerry Von Erich ever really the UW for a short bit, or is that just rumour?
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby yulog » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:53 pm

Hey Deb :D I had heard that when he came back he had cut his hair shorter , changed the color of his hair, and he wasn't using steroids as heavy as he was prior, which may be why he looked a bit different. As far as someone else covering for him , no one seems to be willing to admit to it, of course this may change now that he is no longer alive.
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby AR » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:23 pm

Jim Hellwig has always played the Ultimate Warrior.

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WCW once had a lookalike called The Renegade though.

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Ironically this guy is dead as well.
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:04 am

Deb wrote:My question is......was the Ultimate Warrior played by two people? One for a short time? I seem to recall one looking a slight bit different, darker hair, bit smaller build. I remember asking years ago about that, was Kerry Von Erich ever really the UW for a short bit, or is that just rumour?


Over the decades, there was always a myth of Warrior being played by multiple men. Not true, there was only one Warrior. This was insane news to me. Though these old-school wrestlers knew nothing back in the day but to be heavily juiced, it's still sad to see a human being finally put conflict in the past, sew up old grudges and finally being happy and making piece with something they've lived with for a very long time.

That was Warrior. He spent decades with grudges but finally let go, was inducted in the WWE/F Hall of Fame and gave his final promo on RAW Monday Night (which is now very eerie.) It almost felt like he truly was saying goodbye. Literally JUST watched him a few days ago and a day after making peace, he pass's away. Just crazy how it all played out.

RIP Warrior, a true legend that will never die in the hearts of professional wrestling.
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby Journey/Survivor » Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:17 pm

I was a HUGE wrestling fan back in the 1980's. My favorite was the WWF, but I also liked the NWA a lot too.
I went to the first 3 or 4 "Wrestlemania" pay-per-view events. I used to watch all of the "Survivor Series," and I went to one of them one year when it was in Cleveland.
I loved when they would have those "Saturday Night's Main Event" broadcasts
I went a couple of times in person to watch Hulk Hogan wrestle Randy "Macho Man" Savage.

I haven't seen a wrestling match even on TV since about 1989 or 1990. To me pro wrestling just looks boring and stupid ever since the 1990's.

There doesn't look to be any greats like Hulk Hogan, Andre The Giant, Randy Savage, King Kong Bundy, Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat or Ric Flair in wrestling ever since the 90's.

Were any of you also fans of the NWA?
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:07 pm

I attended one of the greatest PPV's of ALL TIME: Kind of the Ring, 1997. Pittsburgh, PA when Undertaker threw Mankind off of the cage and onto the annoucetable. I can still see it. 8) I was a diehard WCW fan, though and was pro WCW in the Monday Night Wars. Hated the WWF for awhile but after all these years, I finally let go. 8)
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby Everett » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:19 am

YoungJRNY wrote:I attended one of the greatest PPV's of ALL TIME: Kind of the Ring, 1997. Pittsburgh, PA when Undertaker threw Mankind off of the cage and onto the annoucetable. I can still see it. 8) I was a diehard WCW fan, though and was pro WCW in the Monday Night Wars. Hated the WWF for awhile but after all these years, I finally let go. 8)


Ahem that was 1998 my friend 8)
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:53 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:I attended one of the greatest PPV's of ALL TIME: Kind of the Ring, 1997. Pittsburgh, PA when Undertaker threw Mankind off of the cage and onto the annoucetable. I can still see it. 8) I was a diehard WCW fan, though and was pro WCW in the Monday Night Wars. Hated the WWF for awhile but after all these years, I finally let go. 8)


Ahem that was 1998 my friend 8)


Shit, that's right. '98. Was with my father and my brother sitting right above the entrance. All I remember was the obvious Mankind getting thrown off the cage, the loud chants of "UNDER-TAKER!" , the wild 45- 60 minute bout of the near-fall kickout fest of Ken Shamrock VS Rocky Maivia (yep, Rocky Maivia) and Kane being absolutely demonic and downright terrifying. That dude could give you nightmares at the time.
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby Journey/Survivor » Sat Apr 12, 2014 5:57 pm

Damn!!!

Like I mentioned, I haven't watched wrestling since around 1989 or maybe 1990. I just found out that both Junkyard Dog and Big John Studd died back in the 1990's.

I wonder how many of the other 80's wrestlers have died that I don't know about?

I know that both Andre The Giant and Randy Savage are dead, I heard about those at the time. And I was still watching wrestling back when Rick Quick Draw McGraw died in an accident at a match.
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby slucero » Sun Apr 13, 2014 8:19 am

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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby AR » Mon Apr 14, 2014 10:52 pm

Journey/Survivor wrote:Damn!!!

Like I mentioned, I haven't watched wrestling since around 1989 or maybe 1990. I just found out that both Junkyard Dog and Big John Studd died back in the 1990's.

I wonder how many of the other 80's wrestlers have died that I don't know about?

I know that both Andre The Giant and Randy Savage are dead, I heard about those at the time. And I was still watching wrestling back when Rick Quick Draw McGraw died in an accident at a match.


Rick McGraw didn't die during a match. A lot of people think that because he got destroyed on TV against Roddy Piper in a match the aired a few days before he died.

"McGraw was well known in the business as having a severe drug problem, and was one of the first of many in professional wrestling to die from one. In Bret Hart's autobiography Hitman: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling, Bret wrote: "Every night he'd swallow a handful of Placidyls and wind up passed out face down in his dinner...The cause of his death was labelled a heart attack, but we all knew his heart had given out under deadly dosages of downers."
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby Deb » Tue Apr 15, 2014 12:41 am

^^^^^ Brett Hart is easily my favorite wrestler of all. Great down to earth guy. Read his book as well, interesting read. British Bulldogs were favourites back in the day too. I know Davey Boy died young (was Brett's brother in law, married to one of his sisters), and Dynamite Kid had to quit wrestling from a back injury, anybody know if he is still alive or not? Brian Pillman too, soo many gone from that era.


The 7 Most Shocking Deaths in Pro Wrestling

Pro wrestling is full of shocking deaths. It's been reported that wrestlers die at a far younger median age than any other sport. Whether its because of direct drug abuse (Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig had cocaine in his system at the time of his death), or because of effects from years of steroid use ( Rick Rude suffered heart failure at the age of 40) or due to travel hazards (referee Joey Marella died in a car accident at the age of 31), pro wrestlers have come under fire for having serious short life expectancies. Here is a list of pro wrestling 7 most shocking deaths in the last 25 years.

1. Chris Candido

Pro wrestler Chris Candido was 33 years old when he died. Throughout his career, Candido had issues with substance abuse. His story was a very similar one. However, toward the end of his career, he started getting his life back together. Although of average size, Candido was such a solid worker that he worked for all three major organizations during one of the most popular times in wrestling history. He worked for WWF as Skip The Bodydonna, and then worked for WCW and ECW under the name Chris Candido. In 2005, he was working for the upstart Total Nonstop Action wrestling group out of Orlando, Florida. It was during a tag team cage match that Candido broke his tibia and fibula after a botched maneuver. Chris had emergency surgery, where he was outfitted with steel plates and screws. Candido left the hospital with pain medication, but was not put on antibiotics. Over the next several days, an infection developed in his body. At home with his girlfriend, wrestling valet Tammy Sytch, Candido felt sick and collapsed. He was rushed to the hospital and diagnosed with pneumonia. He died days later. His brother Johnny later stated that Chris died from a blood clot that formed as a result of his surgery.

2. Kerry Von Erich

Kerry Von Erich may best be known by his WWF character name "The Texas Tornado." Though he only wrestled for Vince McMahon's World Wrestling Federation from 1990 through 1992, Von Erich was fairly popular. He even captured the company's Intercontinental Championship, it's secondary title, almost immediately upon arrival. Though he only held the title for three months, he remained a fan favorite throughout his entire tenure. Unfortunately, Kerry Von Erich wasn't the same guy outside the ring, as he was inside. When the camera rolled, Von Erich was an epic entertainer. He was a good wrestler with a great physique and a lot of charisma. He even made a brief appearance in the film Problem Child, starring John Ritter. But outside the ring, The Texas Tornado was a troubled man. He had a long standing love affair with drugs, including cocaine and pills. Due to his heavy addiction to pills, Kerry was forced to seek out prescription forgery as a way of getting his fix. Unfortunately for him, he was caught. Subsequently, The Texas Tornado was indicted on a drug charge for prescription forgery. He was going to face jail time. So on February 18Th 1993, over 6 months after having his last WWF match, Von Erich committed suicide at his fathers ranch in Texas. He just turned 33 years old two weeks prior.

3. Eddie Guerrero

Eddie Guerrero was 38 years old when he passed away on November 13Th 2005 from heart failure due to hardening of the arteries. He had wrestled the night before, and was scheduled to take part in several house shows and TV matches in the future. There was no indication that Guerrero was very sick. Other than a few wrestlers saying he didn't look well or he looked tired, Guerrero was his normal self. Guerrero's nephew Chavo Guerrero said that Eddie was in the top physical condition at the time of his death. He wrestled 3 or 4 times a week, and always put on a fantastic match. The fan favorite had been riding a wave of success in the WWE. His catchphrase "I lie, I cheat, I steal" was seen on fan signs and merchandise all around the arenas. On the Monday following Eddie Guerrero's passing, the WWE dedicated their RAW TV series to Eddie Guerrero. Many believe Guerrero's heart health issues were brought on by over 20 years of steroid abuse, drug use and prescription pain pills. Guerrero's death was the incident that kick started WWE's wellness policy.

4. Bruiser Brody

Bruiser Brody is a professional wrestler you may have never heard of. But his death is one of the most gruesome and shocking incidents in pro wrestling history. Brody was a 6 foot 8 inch, 300 lb monster who tore through the competition wherever he wrestled. He traveled all over the nation, making a name for himself in all the different territories he worked. He is perhaps most famous for his match with a young Lex Luger. The two were wrestling each other in a steel cage match. In the middle of the match, Brody decided to stop selling Luger's punches. Brody strayed from the planned match and just stopped working with Lex. Rumor has it that Brody also had taped several razor blades to his fingers that night, but that was never confirmed as truth. On July 16Th 1988, Bruiser Brody was wrestling in Puerto Rico. He had wrestled there several times before. However, he would not be returning from this tour. Just before his match, a man named Jose Gonzalez, who was a wrestler and also the promotion's booker, asked to speak to Bruiser in the showers. It was during this time that a fight between the two broke out, and the entire locker room could hear Bruiser crying out for help. Gonzalez had stabbed Bruiser Brody in the stomach. Fellow wrestler Tony Atlas, a WWE Hall of Famer, carried Brody to the paramedics that fateful evening. Unfortunately, Brody did not survive the injuries. Less than a year later, Jose Gonzalez was acquitted of all charges, citing self defense. He was 42 years old at the time of his death.

5. The Macho Man Randy Savage

Most recently, the wrestling world was turned upside down when the news hit of the death of Macho Man Randy Savage. At the age of 58, Savage reportedly had a heart attack behind the wheel of his Jeep. In full medical emergency, he veered across several lanes of traffic and crashed into a tree. Randy Savage was one of the biggest superstars in professional wrestling history. Easily the most charismatic wrestler of all time, Macho Man helped propel wrestling into the mainstream. His trademark "Snap into a Slim Jim. Ooh yeah!" catchphrase helped him become Slim Jim's most notable pitchman. His personality was so popular that the news of his death hit front page papers across America, and got substantial air time on CNN, Fox News and ESPN. Additionally, the news made top headlines on several websites, including Yahoo and TMZ. His death came out of the blue and shocked the professional wrestling world. Randy Savage, real name Randall Poffo, was the first real mega star of professional wrestling from it's the sports peak era to pass away.

6. Chris Benoit

One of the most shocking deaths in pro wrestling was the demise of Chris Benoit and his family. Chris Benoit was one of the biggest WWE superstars, and at the height of his career popularity, when he murdered his wife Nancy Benoit (former wrestling valet Woman) and their 4 year old son. After murdering his wife and son, he then killed himself by stringing a weight lifting cord around his neck. For several weeks, the mainstream media put pro wrestling under a microscope. They were searching for reason behind this vicious and disgusting murder-suicide. Many theories were brought to light, such as prescription pain killer abuse, steroid abuse, and brain trauma. In fact, the Sports Legacy Institute stated that Benoit, a 40 year old man, had a brain that resembled an 85 year old Alzheimer's patient. The toxicology report released after Benoit's death listed Xanax, hydrocodone and elevated levels of testosterone. Unfortunately for Vince McMahon and the WWE, the investigators did not piece together clues that Benoit was the murderer until a few days after his body was found. This resulted in one of the biggest gaffes in American culture. On June 25Th, the day the bodies of Benoit and his family was found, WWE aired a 3 hour tribute to Chris Benoit. Just a couple days later, they would learn they had dedicated their show to one of the biggest coward murderer's in history. Since then, WWE has erased any mention of Chris Benoit from their proverbial history books.

7. Owen Hart

On May 23rd 1999, Owen Hart, brother of former WWF Heavyweight Champion Bret "The Hitman" Hart, was set to wrestle The Godfather at the WWF's pay per view Over The Edge. Dressed in his former gimmick, The Blue Blazer, the tongue in cheek super-hero was supposed to be slowly lowered to the ring from the rafters of the Kemper Arena in Kansas City. And that's when tragedy struck. The quick release mechanism that Owen Hart was hooked up unsnapped, and Owen plummeted almost 90 feet to the ring below. Though the accident was not aired on pay per view (the pay per view went to a pre-taped interview), the live audience did see the entire accident. Medics quickly filled the ring and color commentator Jerry Lawler also got up from his seat to try and assist. Unfortunately, every attempt to save the 34 year old wrestler failed. Owen was pronounced dead later that evening. It was the single worst event in pro wrestling history.

Professional wrestling has always been frowned upon by society. Even at it's highest peaks, it was still regarded as a low brow form of entertainment. Part of the reason it's looked at in a negative light is because it's "fake." However, wrestling isn't as fake as it seems. The pro wrestlers put their bodies through unbelievable physical exertion night after night, and many of them pay the price with an untimely death. As wrestlers continue with the need for drugs to help rehabilitate, to help them sleep, or to help them deal with the arduous road trips, the death of wrestlers will remain shocking. And you truly won't know who is going to be next.
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby AR » Tue Apr 15, 2014 4:53 am

I work for a local wrestling promotion on the side. Just for fun.

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We get some WWE guys now and then. Jerry "The King" Lawler wrestled for us in February. See below.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ktrob6gpvik
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby Journey/Survivor » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:24 pm

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Journey/Survivor wrote:Damn!!!

Like I mentioned, I haven't watched wrestling since around 1989 or maybe 1990. I just found out that both Junkyard Dog and Big John Studd died back in the 1990's.

I wonder how many of the other 80's wrestlers have died that I don't know about?

I know that both Andre The Giant and Randy Savage are dead, I heard about those at the time. And I was still watching wrestling back when Rick Quick Draw McGraw died in an accident at a match.


Rick McGraw didn't die during a match. A lot of people think that because he got destroyed on TV against Roddy Piper in a match the aired a few days before he died.

"McGraw was well known in the business as having a severe drug problem, and was one of the first of many in professional wrestling to die from one. In Bret Hart's autobiography Hitman: My Real Life in the Cartoon World of Wrestling, Bret wrote: "Every night he'd swallow a handful of Placidyls and wind up passed out face down in his dinner...The cause of his death was labelled a heart attack, but we all knew his heart had given out under deadly dosages of downers."



Maybe I'm confusing different cases in my mind. I thought that it was Rick McGraw that fell from some wires above the ring. It's been so long since McGraw died, and since I last watched wrestling, I am probably confusing wrestlers in my mind.
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby Journey/Survivor » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:36 pm

Deb wrote:^^^^^ Brett Hart is easily my favorite wrestler of all. Great down to earth guy. Read his book as well, interesting read. British Bulldogs were favourites back in the day too.


I was a British Bulldogs fan too.

And in the NWA I was a fan of The Rock 'N' Roll Express.
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Re: Wrestling question......

Postby Journey/Survivor » Tue Apr 15, 2014 1:53 pm

After I read Deb's last post a little closer, I guess it was Owen Hart's accident that I was confusing with Rick McGraw's?

I do remember watching that match between McGraw and Piper shortly before McGraw died.

I was no longer watching wrestling by the time Owen Hart died. But I heard about it at the time.

Can one of you answer my question about Neal Schon in the JSS forum?
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