Alice Cooper To Be Inducted Into RNR Hall, JBJ Snubbed...

[timstar78]

Official list of RNR Hall of Fame inductees will be announced tomorrow morning but it seems the list has leaked....

ALICE COOPER Confirms ROCK AND ROLL HALL OF FAME Induction
http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbe ... mID=150905

According to The Arizona Republic, legendary rocker Alice Cooper has confirmed that will finally be inducted into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame at the 26th annual induction ceremony, which will be held on March 14, 2011 at the Waldorf-Astoria in Manhattan. Also being inducted are Neil Diamond, Tom Waits, Dr. John and Darlene Love.

Cooper, 62, said Tuesday that he was notified a week ago by the Cleveland-based organization that he and his group will be part of its 26th class.

"Getting in the Hall of Fame is about the ultimate thing you can do when you're a garage band from Cortez High in Phoenix," Cooper said. "It's the most humbling thing in the world when you realize who else is in there. You look out at the audience, and every guy who influenced you is sitting there, and they are the people who voted on you."

The inductees into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame in 2011 will be officially announced on December 15 at 10:30 a.m. EST on the RockHall.com web site.

The list of nominees for this go-round also included BON JOVI, BEASTIE BOYS, CHIC, Donovan, J GEILS BAND, LL Cool J, Laura Nyro, Donna Summer, Joe Tex and Chuck Willis.

Eligible since 1994, Cooper released the following statement in response to the announcement that he was on the shortlist of nominees for the 2011 Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame induction:

"On behalf of Dennis (Dunaway), Neal (Smith), Michael (Bruce) and the late great Glen (Buxton), we are honored to be nominated for induction in to the Hall. Anytime you are nominated in your chosen profession, it's definitely a compliment to be recognized.

"It's hard to fathom possibly being in the same club as artists who inspired us originally, like THE BEATLES, THE [ROLLING] STONES, THE BEACH BOYS, THE WHO, THE YARDBIRDS, and Chuck Berry, and to be nominated the same year as legendary artists like my personal favorite songwriter of all time, Laura Nyro, as well as Donovan, who sang on our 'Billion Dollar Babies' record, and our good friends in Bon Jovi, is a great feeling.

"Five guys starting a band, just hoping to meet girls and drink free beer, rehearsing and playing local bars five hours a night for the first few years — that was us. We came up with the theatrics and made every effort not to sacrifice the music one bit; we thought it was like our job to bring theatrics to rock 'n' roll. And then, amazingly enough, we were having a bunch of massive hit records which was proof that theatricality and rock 'n' roll could, in fact, be joined successfully. We've been told that we revolutionized the live concert experience and if that's truly the case and it's led to this nomination for induction into the Hall of Fame, the only thing to say is, of course, 'There's no business like show business!'"

To be eligible for nomination into the Rock And Roll Hall Of Fame, an act must have released its first single or album at least 25 years prior to the year of nomination. This year's nominees had to release their first single no later than 1985.

Ballots were sent to more than 500 voters, who selected the artists to be inducted at the induction ceremony, which will be televised live on Fuse.

[Don]

I think this was Bon Jovi's first year of eligibility. They'll get in soon, and then the hall will shut the door on the '80s and start nominating grunge acts. They already looked at changing the rules so they could get '90s acts in quicker, they despise the '80s so much.

[DrFU]

Not so much in Cleveland, but JBJ is a hit in Washington:

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Obama taps Jon Bon Jovi for new advisory board
By Ed O Keefe

Looks like all those years of performing for Democratic candidates has paid off: President Obama is tapping rocker Jon Bon Jovi to serve on a new presidential advisory council.

The White House announced Tuesday that Bon Jovi (or is it just Jovi?) will join the new 25-member White House Council for Community Solutions, a panel established to provide advice on "the best ways to mobilize citizens, nonprofits, businesses and government to work more effectively together to solve specific community needs."

The 2009 Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act established the panel, which also includes eBay CEO John Donahoe and Starbucks Vice President Paula Boggs and Rockefeller Foundation President Judith Rodin.

Jovi, the formerly big-haired rocker, is a well-known Democratic Party supporter who once made a cameo in support of fictional Democratic presidential candidate Matthew Santos on NBC's "West Wing."

More recently, Bon Jovi performed at Obama's inaugural concert and promoted the Obama administration's United We Serve initiative during his recent world tour.

But, on a serious note, the Jon Bon Jovi Soul Foundation has partnered with public and private organizations to help combat homelessness. The efforts have yielded more than 260 units of affordable housing for low income individuals and families, according to his spokeswoman.

Obama has tapped several other celebrities to serve on presidential commissions and councils. Yo-Yo Ma and Sarah Jessica Parker are on the President's Committee on the Arts and Humanities, for example.

[LtVanish]

Glad to see Neil Diamond finally getting some attention, the Jewish Elvis should of been in there long ago.

[S2M]

Alice Cooper in before RUSH or KANSAS? What a joke.

Is Heart in? Hall & Oates?

[steveo777]

'bout time!

Alice Cooper was one of the pioneers, a true showman.

[lights1961]

"Five guys starting a band, just hoping to meet girls and drink free beer, rehearsing and playing local bars five hours a night for the first few years — that was us. We came up with the theatrics and made every effort not to sacrifice the music one bit; we thought it was like our job to bring theatrics to rock 'n' roll. And then, amazingly enough, we were having a bunch of massive hit records which was proof that theatricality and rock 'n' roll could, in fact, be joined successfully. We've been told that we revolutionized the live concert experience and if that's truly the case and it's led to this nomination for induction into the Hall of Fame, the only thing to say is, of course, 'There's no business like show business!'"


I love this quote...

and glad that Cooper and Diamond made it... Bon Jovi too young yet...
I dont believe Heart is in the hall of fame yet.

[Michigan Girl]

Tear ...I'm thrilled!!
The mitten is proud!!

[conversationpc]

Alice Cooper in before RUSH or KANSAS? What a joke.

Is Heart in? Hall & Oates?

Alice is heads and shoulders above those 4 as a nominee and is a true R&R legend. A pioneer as someone has posted. Kansas, as much as I like them will probably never get into the Hall. Rush will get there someday if there is a R&R God.

Agreed...Kansas probably SHOULD get in just for the fact that they are one of the top 3 or 4 progressive rock bands ever.

[lights1961]

Alice Cooper in before RUSH or KANSAS? What a joke.

Is Heart in? Hall & Oates?

Alice is heads and shoulders above those 4 as a nominee and is a true R&R legend. A pioneer as someone has posted. Kansas, as much as I like them will probably never get into the Hall. Rush will get there someday if there is a R&R God.

Agreed...Kansas probably SHOULD get in just for the fact that they are one of the top 3 or 4 progressive rock bands ever.

Dust in the wind should get kansas in period...and the Wall was a pioneering progessive LP back in the day...

[Rockindeano]

Alice Cooper in before RUSH or KANSAS? What a joke.

Is Heart in? Hall & Oates?

Kansas? The only way Kansas will see the hall of Fame is to buy a ticket. They don't deserve to be there, not even close.

Hall and oates i DO think belongs, easily.

Heart? No way in Hell should they be in.

Rush? I agree they should be in, but they weren't popular with rock mnedia. They have shitty attitudes.

Alice Cooper? I don't know what he has done to warrant admission to the HOF.
He said it though- the ultimate award for a musician, despite all you Journey fans who say it is a joke. Ever been there? It's fascinating and all the acts there are worthy.

[Rockindeano]

Alice Cooper in before RUSH or KANSAS? What a joke.

Is Heart in? Hall & Oates?

Alice is heads and shoulders above those 4 as a nominee and is a true R&R legend. A pioneer as someone has posted. Kansas, as much as I like them will probably never get into the Hall. Rush will get there someday if there is a R&R God.

Agreed...Kansas probably SHOULD get in just for the fact that they are one of the top 3 or 4 progressive rock bands ever.

So what? Progressive band? Hell, Journey in their pre Perry era was a much better prog rock band than Kansas.

[Rockindeano]

Is Heart in?

Please stop. You sound like an ass. Just because heart has a nice nifty catalogue does not mean they did anything special. REO Speedwagon is much better qualified than Heart. You ever think REO will get a sniff? Um, no.

As for Wiki Don saying they are closing the doors on the 80's, I disagree. Yeah, they hate the 80's, but Bryan Adams will get in someday. he is well liked in the RnR community, by both peers and writers, and oh yeah, very accomplished with a stellar resume. he'll get in and i do think journey will eventually get in as well. their body of work is just too good to ignore. Springsteen himself said he is shocked Journey hasn't been inducted yet. Why is that important? He has tremendous influence on the board's decisions, and is friends with everyone on the voting commitee.

[lights1961]

ANN and Nancy pioneering women of CLASSIC ROCK... yes they deserve it deano...

[steveo777]

Alice Cooper in before RUSH or KANSAS? What a joke.

Is Heart in? Hall & Oates?

Kansas? The only way Kansas will see the hall of Fame is to buy a ticket. They don't deserve to be there, not even close.

Hall and oates i DO think belongs, easily.

Heart? No way in Hell should they be in.

Rush? I agree they should be in, but they weren't popular with rock mnedia. They have shitty attitudes.

Alice Cooper? I don't know what he has done to warrant admission to the HOF.
He said it though- the ultimate award for a musician, despite all you Journey fans who say it is a joke. Ever been there? It's fascinating and all the acts there are worthy.

You are wrong, my friend.

[brywool]

ANN and Nancy pioneering women of CLASSIC ROCK... yes they deserve it deano...

YUP.

Neil Diamond...? Rock??? I will never get the appeal of Neil and to be in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame... why?

[Gin and Tonic Sky]

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Alice Cooper? I don't know what he has done to warrant admission to the HOF.
.

Well...to name a few:

Influence- for one thing. WHen the Alice Cooper Group came out, eveyone was into hippy love type stuff. Cooper came in an added a level of satire and eatrics which has influenced artists for years and years. Lou Reed, Kiss, Nine Inch Nails, Rob Zombie, Motley Crue, Steven Tyler Bowie. Numberous artists who have written concept albums were influenced by the Schools Out, Welcome to my Nightmare, and Billion $ Babies . And he is still influencing new acts - for example acts like Halestorm, where you can hear alot of Cooper like sounds on their first albums. And the influenc has been across genres - garage rock, metal, glam metal , goth rock, symphonic rock

Then there is branding. Folks know what the Alice Cooper brand is like.

Then on top of that there are those whose careers the Coop helped out by the fact that they started out or got a boost in one of his bands (e.g Kip Winger)

Add in appearences with Kermit the Frog, Wayne and Garth. Then to mention the charity work the solid rock foundation . And the fact he is known as generally nice guy when you meet him

And above and beyond that there is the constant touring year and year out, radio shows

[S2M]

Alice Cooper in before RUSH or KANSAS? What a joke.

Is Heart in? Hall & Oates?

Alice is heads and shoulders above those 4 as a nominee and is a true R&R legend. A pioneer as someone has posted. Kansas, as much as I like them will probably never get into the Hall. Rush will get there someday if there is a R&R God.

Alice Cooper head and shoulders above RUSH? Ok, if being a pubbie wasn't enough of a albatross around your neck, that last statement has done you in - in my eyes.....

The ONLY weakness RUSH has is that I really don't consider Lifeson a great guitarist. However, that may just be a function of his more etheral style, and my ignorance about guitar playing....I'll defer to some of the experts here to critique his style.

[timstar78]

ANN and Nancy pioneering women of CLASSIC ROCK... yes they deserve it deano...

Agreed.

Heart has all the important attributes, the catalog, the hits, the talent, the longevity, Ann and Nancy's positive influence on other female artists, etc.

[No Surprize]

What a crock of horseshit it is. One of the biggest things going against it of course is the city it's in, Cleveland. Who, in their right fucking mind wants to go to Cleveland? Fuck, this thing needs to be moved to Vegas or somewhere more desirable to visit. The second thing is the old ass fucktards & fags who vote people in who haven't a clue on how to tune a musical instrument, let alone play one. Putting in Madonna, blow me. Nominating LL cool J, WTF is happening in this world I know? Now, I believe Heart will get in one day. Kansas will be a long shot. If they eventually do, we'll all be 6 feet under, like them.

[Rockindeano]

ANN and Nancy pioneering women of CLASSIC ROCK... yes they deserve it deano...

Ever heard of Janis Joplin, Tina Turner, Aretha Franklin and Darlene Love? They all pioneered female music. Ann and Nancy are very good, but nothing special.

[Rockindeano]

Alice Cooper in before RUSH or KANSAS? What a joke.

Is Heart in? Hall & Oates?

Kansas? The only way Kansas will see the hall of Fame is to buy a ticket. They don't deserve to be there, not even close.

Hall and oates i DO think belongs, easily.

Heart? No way in Hell should they be in.

Rush? I agree they should be in, but they weren't popular with rock mnedia. They have shitty attitudes.

Alice Cooper? I don't know what he has done to warrant admission to the HOF.
He said it though- the ultimate award for a musician, despite all you Journey fans who say it is a joke. Ever been there? It's fascinating and all the acts there are worthy.

You are wrong, my friend.

Ok, YOU Heart lovers make the case for them. Why should they be in? What have they done that has been special?

[Rockindeano]

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Alice Cooper? I don't know what he has done to warrant admission to the HOF.
.

Well...to name a few:

Influence- for one thing. WHen the Alice Cooper Group came out, eveyone was into hippy love type stuff. Cooper came in an added a level of satire and eatrics which has influenced artists for years and years. Lou Reed, Kiss, Nine Inch Nails, Rob Zombie, Motley Crue, Steven Tyler Bowie. Numberous artists who have written concept albums were influenced by the Schools Out, Welcome to my Nightmare, and Billion $ Babies . And he is still influencing new acts - for example acts like Halestorm, where you can hear alot of Cooper like sounds on their first albums. And the influenc has been across genres - garage rock, metal, glam metal , goth rock, symphonic rock

Then there is branding. Folks know what the Alice Cooper brand is like.

Then on top of that there are those whose careers the Coop helped out by the fact that they started out or got a boost in one of his bands (e.g Kip Winger)

Add in appearences with Kermit the Frog, Wayne and Garth. Then to mention the charity work the solid rock foundation . And the fact he is known as generally nice guy when you meet him

And above and beyond that there is the constant touring year and year out, radio shows

Nice post. I honestly did not know what he had specifically accomplished. You made a great case. The Heart people not so much.

[Rockindeano]

ANN and Nancy pioneering women of CLASSIC ROCK... yes they deserve it deano...

Agreed.

Heart has all the important attributes, the catalog, the hits, the talent, the longevity, Ann and Nancy's positive influence on other female artists, etc.

Let's break it down:

Catalog? Dude, it's nice, but pales in comparison to say, Journey, Adams, Foreigner and even REO. Those bands off the top of my head have bigger and better catalogs.

Hits? Yes, sure they have some, but the previous sentence applies here as well, and moreso.

Talent? Absolutely.

Longevity? Again true. I think longevity is important. Ask Journey about this. That may be their problem. They in the eyes of the voters were only around from '78 to '86.

Influence? This is a serious question. Who in your mind has Heart influenced?

[Don]

I enjoy HEART, but to be honest, they didn't hit their stride until they started using outside songwriters which lead to quite a few of their hits in the '80s.

[Don]

To me, ELO and The Moody Blues should be in the Hall. Both bands brought something unique to the table. Some of the first great concept albums were by the Moodies. Besides his work in his band ELO, Jeff Lynne is recognized as one of the greatest producers out there. Both groups had success on both sides of the Atlantic, ELO with something like 27 Top 40 hits. The orchestras incorporated into rock music, the whole spaceship thing with ELO. Both bands should be in.

[Rockindeano]

I enjoy HEART, but to be honest, they didn't hit their stride until they started using outside songwriters which lead to quite a few of their hits in the '80s.

Point. I believe BA wrote a song or two for them. This doesn't disqualify Heart's talent at all, as they certainly have said talent; even Elvis had songwriters and he turned out "so so" don't ya think?

[Don]

I enjoy HEART, but to be honest, they didn't hit their stride until they started using outside songwriters which lead to quite a few of their hits in the '80s.

Point. I believe BA wrote a song or two for them. This doesn't disqualify Heart's talent at all, as they certainly have said talent; even Elvis had songwriters and he turned out "so so" don't ya think?

This is where people lose me when ever Arnel and songwriting is mentioned. "WELL, ELVIS DIDN'T WRITE HIS OWN SONGS".
See, when it comes to rock music, I don't buy into that. Led Zeppelin, U2, Floyd, Boston, Styx, REO all made their own success by writing their own music and lyrics. If you are a pop act, that argument holds water but for being part of Melodic rock, I think you have to bring the whole package. Outside writers are okay but they shouldn't be the main contributor on the majority of your successful work.

[timstar78]

Let's break it down:

Let's.

Catalog? Dude, it's nice, but pales in comparison to say, Journey, Adams, Foreigner and even REO. Those bands off the top of my head have bigger and better catalogs.

I like a couple of these bands, but I would disagree in terms of "better."

In terms of number of albums, Heart has 13 studio albums.

As far as the Heart catalog itself, when you're talking true '70s era gems like "Dreamboat Annie," "Little Queen" and "Dog & Butterfly" and the big three for Capitol in the '80s, we're covering quite a bit of ground in terms of albums and songs that had impact. And I could go on about some of their other lesser-known studio albums ("Bebe Le Strange," "Passionworks," etc.).

Hits? Yes, sure they have some, but the previous sentence applies here as well, and moreso.

They've had 21 Top 40 Billboard Hot 100 hits. That's actually more Top 40 hits than each of the bands you listed above have. Then you have diversity, in terms of classic rock staples like "Magic Man" and "Crazy On You" soaring ballads like "Alone," folk-laced numbers like "Dreamboat Annie," huge hits like "These Dreams," great covers like "Tell It Like It Is"...

Yes, outside writers wrote most of the hits in the '80s era. I could write an essay about my thoughts on this subject, but I will just say that those songs, no matter who they were written by, were not guaranteed to be hits. "These Dreams," as great as it is... who could have guaranteed that song would have went to No. 1? Nancy Wilson never had a hit with Heart....ever. Heart was essentially dead in the water in 1984. The success they had was a case of the planets lining up...the right songs, the right artist, the right team, the right image, the right producer, the right label.

To that end, give any song to talents like Ann and Nancy Wilson and you bet your bottom dollar they'll make it better. Case in point, Toronto's "What About Love." A nice song that took on a whole new life when Ann Wilson sang it.

Toronto: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lua9OrloDkg
Heart: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KE5GGMhmo-M

Still, when bands such as the Ramones are getting inducted into the Hall, do hits really matter?

Talent? Absolutely.

Agreed.

Can you name a better female rock vocalist than Ann Wilson?

Longevity? Again true. I think longevity is important. Ask Journey about this. That may be their problem. They in the eyes of the voters were only around from '78 to '86.

Agreed. I think longevity is important. Ann and Nancy still have Heart alive and ticking in 2010. A 35-year career is pretty impressive.

Influence? This is a serious question. Who in your mind has Heart influenced?

Heart --- namely Ann and Nancy --- have the respect of their peers. I can't recall reading a negative comment about A/N from a fellow musician. If you know of any, feel free to share.

As far as musicians who have been in the band, Mike Derosier, Steve Fossen, Howard Leese, Denny Carmassi, Mark Andes...these are all top-notch musicians who have been praised by fellow musicians and producers.

In terms of influence, off the top of my head, I have read or heard that the following artists were influenced by Heart:

Gretchen Wilson
Sugarland
The Bangles
Pat Benatar
Pink
Fergie (Black Eyed Peas)
Carrie Underwood
Alice In Chains
Chris Cornell (Soundgarden)

More importantly, I ask this question, in the rock genre in 1976 which female artists were fronting their own band and writing a majority of their own songs and calling the creative shots? There weren't that many, if any... So I, along with many, argue that Ann and Nancy helped blaze a trail for female musicians to follow. That's influence right there. Print that and book it.

[Rockindeano]

I enjoy HEART, but to be honest, they didn't hit their stride until they started using outside songwriters which lead to quite a few of their hits in the '80s.

Point. I believe BA wrote a song or two for them. This doesn't disqualify Heart's talent at all, as they certainly have said talent; even Elvis had songwriters and he turned out "so so" don't ya think?

This is where people lose me when ever Arnel and songwriting is mentioned. "WELL, ELVIS DIDN'T WRITE HIS OWN SONGS".
See, when it comes to rock music, I don't buy into that. Led Zeppelin, U2, Floyd, Boston, Styx, REO all made their own success by writing their own music and lyrics. If you are a pop act, that argument holds water but for being part of Melodic rock, I think you have to bring the whole package. Outside writers are okay but they shouldn't be the main contributor on the majority of your successful work.

I agree. The question is, how much(%) of Hearts' catalogue were written by outsiders vs themselves?

Be careful when you include Boston, REO and Styx in the same sentence as U2, Pink Floyd and Zeppelin. Two very different status league's right there.