Religion & Morality

[Duncan]

You guys didn't like my little song? Seriously you guys are just bored and looking to argue about anything.

How about this one! I sang this one in High School! This is a fun song to sing!

http://youtu.be/Yau2YHgHpVI

Ain't Got time to die!

Lord I keep so busy praisin' my Jesus
Keep so busy praisin' my Jesus
Keep so busy praisin' my Jesus
Ain't got time to die

'Cause when I'm helpin' the sick (I'm praisin' my Jesus)
When I'm helpin' the sick (I'm praisin' my Jesus)
When I'm helpin' the sick (I'm praisin' my Jesus)
Ain't got time to die

Chorus:
'Cause it takes all of my time (It takes all of my time, it takes it all)
All of my time (to praise Him)
If I don't praise Him the rocks are gonna cry out
Glory and honor, glory and honor
Ain't got time to die

Lord I keep so busy workin' for the kingdom (workin' and I'm workin')
Keep so busy workin' for the kingdom (workin' and I'm workin')
Keep so busy workin' for the kingdom (workin' and I'm workin')
Ain't got time to die

'Cause when I'm feedin' the poor (I'm workin' for the kingdom)
When I'm feedin' the poor (I'm workin' for the kingdom)
When I'm feedin' the poor (I'm workin' for the kingdom)
Ain't got time to die

Repeat Chorus

Lord I keep so busy servin' my master (keep so busy)
Keep so busy servin' my master (I'm servin')
Keep so busy servin' my master
Ain't got time to die

'Cause when I'm givin' my all (I'm servin' my master) (I'm gonna give my all to Jesus)
When I'm givin' my all (I'm servin' my master) (I'm gonna give my all in all)
When I'm givin' my all (I'm servin' my master) (I'm givin' all of my life to Him)
Ain't got time to die

Repeat Chorus

Now won't you get out of my way (oh get out of my way)
Get out of my way (you better get out of my way)
Let me tell you if I don't praise Him the rocks are gonna cry out
Glory and honor, glory and honor
Ain't got time to die

Glory and honor, glory and honor
Ain't got time to die
Ain't got time to die

Verses 6 & 7 are quite disturbing. This master/servant concept is vile and certainly shouldn't be taught to kids.

It is an old spiritual. If you would actually listen to the song I put on you would know it was an African American song, written by African American's about their love for God. So if this is what they wanted to put into the song, and yes we see God as a Father, Master, Savior, and King. You would not understand that. Your too busy trying to see the ugly side, not a Master as a slave and master as in the slavery days, but one who is honored, loved, revered, and served willingly not under duress or force. When you obey your father your serving him. Are you doing so because your a slave? Or out of reverence?

Another name for God as master is Adonai. It is spoken in loving terms.

What is disturbing is how you twist things to be so ugly when in fact it is beautiful. Abba, Father, names Jesus spoke to God the father in prayer while in great sorrow.

The writer by the way was an African American gentleman named Hall Johnson, who wrote the song for expressing praise and joy to God.

Hall Johnson (March 12, 1888 – April 30, 1970) was one of a number of American composers and arrangers—including Harry T. Burleigh, R. Nathaniel Dett, and Eva Jessye—who elevated the African-American spiritual to an art form, comparable in its musical sophistication to the compositions of European Classical composers.

The relationship of God/Jesus and his flock (flock ffs! the only more insulting term would be lemmings) is one of subservience and worship and for me subservience and worship have got nothing at all to do with love.

How is there no duress? God promises you will go to hell for eternity for simply not believing. How can this possibly be a concept we want to instill in our children.

[artist4perry]

Duncan pardon me if I don't copy all that ........the threads are getting quite crowded.


Again with the insults! From you I will take that as a compliment.

No duress. If you do God's will you have nothing to fear. Who goes to hell is up to God. I don't sit and fear hell every day. I know I am not perfect. The bible says for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. I make mistakes every day. God knows I am not perfect, but he also knows my heart. He knows my intent.

Love is what we feel for God and worship is an expression of love for God, I don't expect you to understand. You don't want to understand.

You seem to dwell on the concept of hell a great deal.

Why would you seem to fear what does not exist in your mind?

By the way both of my children are grown, they are good citizens, and they are kind to people. Yup, warped them to no end.

[conversationpc]

The relationship of God/Jesus and his flock (flock ffs! the only more insulting term would be lemmings) is one of subservience and worship and for me subservience and worship have got nothing at all to do with love.

How is there no duress? God promises you will go to hell for eternity for simply not believing. How can this possibly be a concept we want to instill in our children.

Speaking only for myself, when I converted, I didn't feel that I was under any duress to believe or else. No one put me under pressure either physically or psychologically. Sure, I was aware of the concept of hell but that was something that really didn't even come under consideration for me.

It seems to me that the myrmidon atheists are more concerned about the teaching of hell than most Christians are. Late 20th century Christianity until now really doesn't dwell on it all that much.

[Duncan]

The relationship of God/Jesus and his flock (flock ffs! the only more insulting term would be lemmings) is one of subservience and worship and for me subservience and worship have got nothing at all to do with love.

How is there no duress? God promises you will go to hell for eternity for simply not believing. How can this possibly be a concept we want to instill in our children.

Speaking only for myself, when I converted, I didn't feel that I was under any duress to believe or else. No one put me under pressure either physically or psychologically. Sure, I was aware of the concept of hell but that was something that really didn't even come under consideration for me.

It seems to me that the myrmidon atheists are more concerned about the teaching of hell than most Christians are. Late 20th century Christianity until now really doesn't dwell on it all that much.

Why do you think that is?

[Duncan]

Duncan pardon me if I don't copy all that ........the threads are getting quite crowded.


Again with the insults! From you I will take that as a compliment.

No duress. If you do God's will you have nothing to fear. Who goes to hell is up to God. I don't sit and fear hell every day. I know I am not perfect. The bible says for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. I make mistakes every day. God knows I am not perfect, but he also knows my heart. He knows my intent.

Love is what we feel for God and worship is an expression of love for God, I don't expect you to understand. You don't want to understand.

You seem to dwell on the concept of hell a great deal.

Why would you seem to fear what does not exist in your mind?

By the way both of my children are grown, they are good citizens, and they are kind to people. Yup, warped them to no end.

What insults? Just expressing my opinion, as you are yours.

However, I am struggling to make much sense of what you say. The duress point is blatant and unarguable. You state there is no duress and in the next sentence demonstrate that there is.

I can't see how worship is anything other than an expression of subserviance.

I'll ignore the other bits,

How does questioning religion turn into me being fearful of hell? The only thing I am fearful of is what religion does and the scariest thing is that all religous people think it is all lovely and wonderful, when that could not be further from the truth.

[conversationpc]

The relationship of God/Jesus and his flock (flock ffs! the only more insulting term would be lemmings) is one of subservience and worship and for me subservience and worship have got nothing at all to do with love.

How is there no duress? God promises you will go to hell for eternity for simply not believing. How can this possibly be a concept we want to instill in our children.

Speaking only for myself, when I converted, I didn't feel that I was under any duress to believe or else. No one put me under pressure either physically or psychologically. Sure, I was aware of the concept of hell but that was something that really didn't even come under consideration for me.

It seems to me that the myrmidon atheists are more concerned about the teaching of hell than most Christians are. Late 20th century Christianity until now really doesn't dwell on it all that much.

Why do you think that is?

Perhaps you can elaborate...

[artist4perry]

Duncan pardon me if I don't copy all that ........the threads are getting quite crowded.


Again with the insults! From you I will take that as a compliment.

No duress. If you do God's will you have nothing to fear. Who goes to hell is up to God. I don't sit and fear hell every day. I know I am not perfect. The bible says for all have sinned and have come short of the glory of God. I make mistakes every day. God knows I am not perfect, but he also knows my heart. He knows my intent.

Love is what we feel for God and worship is an expression of love for God, I don't expect you to understand. You don't want to understand.

You seem to dwell on the concept of hell a great deal.

Why would you seem to fear what does not exist in your mind?

By the way both of my children are grown, they are good citizens, and they are kind to people. Yup, warped them to no end.

What insults? Just expressing my opinion, as you are yours.

However, I am struggling to make much sense of what you say. The duress point is blatant and unarguable. You state there is no duress and in the next sentence demonstrate that there is.

I can't see how worship is anything other than an expression of subserviance.

I'll ignore the other bits,

How does questioning religion turn into me being fearful of hell? The only thing I am fearful of is what religion does and the scariest thing is that all religous people think it is all lovely and wonderful, when that could not be further from the truth.

Insulting the relationship of God and his people. Last time I checked calling people lemmings is not a compliment. And I quote. "The relationship of God/Jesus and his flock (flock ffs! the only more insulting term would be lemmings) "

You say you will ignore the other bits, what bits are you referring to?

I cannot help the way you think, but you apparently have no concept of why people worship, or of faith at all. You seem to be the one who is fearful of religion and ask a great deal about hell. Personally I don't sit around and sweat it, nor do I threaten my children or others with it.

If we deem religion wonderful and lovely maybe because it is to us. Maybe your concept that we all sit around terrorizing children with hell and plotting to kill people might not be what it is at all in our life. Maybe you need to understand that religions differ and not all are the same. Maybe it is a beautiful thing you will never know because you have such a set idea of what it is all about.

[G.I.Jim]

I usually stay out of this thread (and for good reason), but I'm going to interject my $.02...

People on this planet basically have 2 choices...

1. You believe in the Big bang theory that says virtually nothing exploded nearly 3 to 5 billion years ago, and after which, the Earth and all of the universe was created after the said explosion. You'd also have to believe that the earth formed, cooled, and after BILLIONS of years, life was formed in some primordial soup that was caused by billions of years of matter raining down on the rocks here on earth. Single celled organisms (who were lucky enough to form by themselves, hooked up with OTHER single celled organisms) were formed which then evolved into the complex organisms we have on earth today.

If you believe in this formation of the earth... what gives you the moral compass of right or wrong? Why do you have "gut" feelings? Why don't other animals that have evolved on the earth have a conscience? If we all formed from that single celled organism, we should have some other forms of life (like a chimpanzee) that shows higher functions, and exhibits sings of a conscience.

2. You believe that you were put here by a higher being. You believe that you aren't an accident or a fluke of nature. You were put here for a reason and a purpose. If God who made this almighty universe was perfect (like I believe he was), he wouldn't make a chimpanzee, then let it evolve into a human. He made us into his own image, and didn't need to wait on the universe to take it's time to get his creation perfect. God had a hand in you being conceived, and by acknowledging God, you acknowledge that he has full power and authority over us and our lives. He has rules and we need to obey them.

If were an atheist, I would be scared to DEATH about the idea that there might be a God that has the power to judge me. I personally believe in God almighty, and I'M scared to death about the prospect of hell. I believe that Jesus went to the cross and paid for our sins, but I am a sinner. I have to ask for forgiveness on a regular basis with God to forgive my sins. Does that make me weak? Yep. I AM weak! I answer to the Lord Almighty, and you're damn right I'm weak! I sin daily (and that's not even counting the times I read Deano's posts!).

So back to the 2 choices... If I believe in God and there IS a God, I go to heaven (only after accepting Jesus Christ as my savior). If I am an atheist and God DOES exist, I'm going to hell forever. Seems like an easy compromise to me. I think things on this earth are far too complicated for them to just have occurred. Life is far too complex and complicated for that.

If I'm wrong... what have I lost? Absolutely nothing other than the fact that I will treat people with more respect than those who are not believers in most cases. Not a bad situation either way.

[Rick]

Well said, Jim. So, since you've posted your thoughts, very respectfully and intelligently, I might add, I guess I will post mine.

I don't believe in God as you do, but I do think there was a creator. Because, as you said, Jim, things are far too complex for them to have just happened.

I'm not going to offend anyone by comparing God to Santa Clause, but bare with me for this example. I know Santa Clause doesn't make all the toys and other gifts that kids and people get for Christmas, but I know someone made them. That's the way I feel about the universe. I don't think God, as most of you think of him, created the universe, but I think some being or entity did.

If you're pondering why would I believe in a creator and not God, well, here's why. I don't think there is a God looking down upon us, imposing his will to the people on earth. If he ever did, he doesn't do it anymore. I can't imagine a God that would allow such atrocities as we see in every day life. Some of these same said atrocities are posted here, daily. Many aren't.

I'm with a lot of people who believe that God and religion were created to form structure, initially, not necessarily to control. But to give people guidelines on how to live and treat others. My thoughts have always been, if you want to live a good, productive life, you can do that by trying to live it as the bible suggests. Whether you believe in God or not, the New Testament gives you great examples of how to be a good person and how to treat other people, as well. All of my childhood years, I was surrounded by staunch Christian people. My grandparents, mom and dad, aunts and uncles, brothers, sisters and cousins. All exemplary people because they lived their lives according to the bible.

As far as religion, it might have started off in the right direction, but it lost it's way shortly thereafter. Religion is very divisive. Religion is responsible for more bloodshed than any war for any other reason.

My dad would attend the Methodist church, with his mom and his side of the family, while my mom's side would go to the Church of Christ. That was all well and good and everyone was pretty much ok with it, except for a little under the breath grumbling about it here and there. Always from my mom's side. When I was 10, my mom and dad got divorced. When my brothers and I would go spend weekends with my dad, he would ask if we wanted to go to the Methodist church with him. He was cool with it if we didn't. But knowing what it would do to the other side, my two brothers and I would just have our grandfather pick us up to attend church at the Church of Christ. Well, one time we decided to go with dad. You would have thought Armageddon was happening. That one instance of us going to the Methodist church pretty much blew those two sides of the family completely apart. And while my mom and dad had divorced, everyone was still very cordial and friendly up until that one instance.

To me, that was very messed up, but as I said, my mom's side of the family was just a great bunch of people. There weren't many from their church who would pass by a stranded motorist without stopping to help. My grandfather would preach at the Church of Christ on occasion, lead the congregation in song, was very respected in that town, and never failed to help someone in need. He was just a great, great man. But his religious beliefs were very staunch, and with that, divisive. I love that man to this day and have a picture of him just above my computer desk. Aside from the divisive religious beliefs, I try to be like him. Which is a person who treats others with respect and help them when I can. I try, but I don't always succeed.

[Duncan]

The relationship of God/Jesus and his flock (flock ffs! the only more insulting term would be lemmings) is one of subservience and worship and for me subservience and worship have got nothing at all to do with love.

How is there no duress? God promises you will go to hell for eternity for simply not believing. How can this possibly be a concept we want to instill in our children.

Speaking only for myself, when I converted, I didn't feel that I was under any duress to believe or else. No one put me under pressure either physically or psychologically. Sure, I was aware of the concept of hell but that was something that really didn't even come under consideration for me.

It seems to me that the myrmidon atheists are more concerned about the teaching of hell than most Christians are. Late 20th century Christianity until now really doesn't dwell on it all that much.

Why do you think that is?

Perhaps you can elaborate...

Why late 20th centuary christianiity until now doesn't dwell much on the concept of hell.

[Duncan]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

[G.I.Jim]

Well said, Jim. So, since you've posted your thoughts, very respectfully and intelligently, I might add, I guess I will post mine.

I don't believe in God as you do, but I do think there was a creator. Because, as you said, Jim, things are far too complex for them to have just happened.

I'm not going to offend anyone by comparing God to Santa Clause, but bare with me for this example. I know Santa Clause doesn't make all the toys and other gifts that kids and people get for Christmas, but I know someone made them. That's the way I feel about the universe. I don't think God, as most of you think of him, created the universe, but I think some being or entity did.

If you're pondering why would I believe in a creator and not God, well, here's why. I don't think there is a God looking down upon us, imposing his will to the people on earth. If he ever did, he doesn't do it anymore. I can't imagine a God that would allow such atrocities as we see in every day life. Some of these same said atrocities are posted here, daily. Many aren't.

I'm with a lot of people who believe that God and religion were created to form structure, initially, not necessarily to control. But to give people guidelines on how to live and treat others. My thoughts have always been, if you want to live a good, productive life, you can do that by trying to live it as the bible suggests. Whether you believe in God or not, the New Testament gives you great examples of how to be a good person and how to treat other people, as well. All of my childhood years, I was surrounded by staunch Christian people. My grandparents, mom and dad, aunts and uncles, brothers, sisters and cousins. All exemplary people because they lived their lives according to the bible.

As far as religion, it might have started off in the right direction, but it lost it's way shortly thereafter. Religion is very divisive. Religion is responsible for more bloodshed than any war for any other reason.

My dad would attend the Methodist church, with his mom and his side of the family, while my mom's side would go to the Church of Christ. That was all well and good and everyone was pretty much ok with it, except for a little under the breath grumbling about it here and there. Always from my mom's side. When I was 10, my mom and dad got divorced. When my brothers and I would go spend weekends with my dad, he would ask if we wanted to go to the Methodist church with him. He was cool with it if we didn't. But knowing what it would do to the other side, my two brothers and I would just have our grandfather pick us up to attend church at the Church of Christ. Well, one time we decided to go with dad. You would have thought Armageddon was happening. That one instance of us going to the Methodist church pretty much blew those two sides of the family completely apart. And while my mom and dad had divorced, everyone was still very cordial and friendly up until that one instance.

To me, that was very messed up, but as I said, my mom's side of the family was just a great bunch of people. There weren't many from their church who would pass by a stranded motorist without stopping to help. My grandfather would preach at the Church of Christ on occasion, lead the congregation in song, was very respected in that town, and never failed to help someone in need. He was just a great, great man. But his religious beliefs were very staunch, and with that, divisive. I love that man to this day and have a picture of him just above my computer desk. Aside from the divisive religious beliefs, I try to be like him. Which is a person who treats others with respect and help them when I can. I try, but I don't always succeed.

That was a great post Rick, and while I do agree with you on several points (wars and bloodshed being one of them), I disagree about having a creator yet no God. I respect your beliefs though, and I appreciate you posting them here.

[artist4perry]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

I know but we try to be patient with you, we know you can't help it.

I think more the degree of arrogance is stinking up the place. Try maybe letting people of differing thoughts have their say without your putting them down? Rude doesn't make right.

[G.I.Jim]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

[artist4perry]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

[Rick]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

Pick your turkey wisely.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/ ... iving.html

[artist4perry]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

Pick your turkey wisely.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/ ... iving.html

Yuck Rick!

[Rick]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

Pick your turkey wisely.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/ ... iving.html

Yuck Rick!

I know. No Butterball. I think we'll just eat ham. They won't go anywhere near that.

[artist4perry]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

Pick your turkey wisely.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/ ... iving.html

Yuck Rick!

I know. No Butterball. I think we'll just eat ham. They won't go anywhere near that.

My sister is having the turkey catered, so I have no idea if it is or not. If I start yelling Jihad you will stop me won't you?

[Rick]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

Pick your turkey wisely.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/ ... iving.html

Yuck Rick!

I know. No Butterball. I think we'll just eat ham. They won't go anywhere near that.

My sister is having the turkey catered, so I have no idea if it is or not. If I start yelling Jihad you will stop me won't you?

I wouldn't worry about it. If it alters your turkey buying decisions in the future, then that's good enough. They absolutely should mark those packages with something that lets you know it's a halal slaughtered turkey.

[artist4perry]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

Pick your turkey wisely.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/ ... iving.html

Yuck Rick!

I know. No Butterball. I think we'll just eat ham. They won't go anywhere near that.

My sister is having the turkey catered, so I have no idea if it is or not. If I start yelling Jihad you will stop me won't you?

I wouldn't worry about it. If it alters your turkey buying decisions in the future, then that's good enough. They absolutely should mark those packages with something that lets you know it's a halal slaughtered turkey.

I say make it quick and painless, no torture. I don't get the need to do that.

[Rick]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

Pick your turkey wisely.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/ ... iving.html

Yuck Rick!

I know. No Butterball. I think we'll just eat ham. They won't go anywhere near that.

My sister is having the turkey catered, so I have no idea if it is or not. If I start yelling Jihad you will stop me won't you?

I wouldn't worry about it. If it alters your turkey buying decisions in the future, then that's good enough. They absolutely should mark those packages with something that lets you know it's a halal slaughtered turkey.

I say make it quick and painless, no torture. I don't get the need to do that.

To say those people are different, just doesn't quite cover it. There's something instilled in them that is very evil.

[Ehwmatt]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

Pick your turkey wisely.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/ ... iving.html

Yuck Rick!

I know. No Butterball. I think we'll just eat ham. They won't go anywhere near that.

My sister is having the turkey catered, so I have no idea if it is or not. If I start yelling Jihad you will stop me won't you?

I wouldn't worry about it. If it alters your turkey buying decisions in the future, then that's good enough. They absolutely should mark those packages with something that lets you know it's a halal slaughtered turkey.

I say make it quick and painless, no torture. I don't get the need to do that.

To say those people are different, just doesn't quite cover it. There's something instilled in them that is very evil.

Fuck Muslims. I have to quote an e-mail from a friend. Some of you might even know him.

If there's one positive thing about the post-9/11 world, it's that the majority of people in The United States now see these people for what they are ... trouble. I know I'm mixing the "legal" with the "optional" here, but they'd get far more pity and benfit of the doubt if they'd show some inclination to respect other cultures and religions. But they don't. Not ever. They're an abrasive, rude and suspicious gaggle of smelly fucks. Their "religion" mandates that they look down on others and, as far as the truly devout followers go, the majority generally hate us. And that's ok. Just don't all of a sudden try to erase thousands of years of atrocities and an unwavering desire to kill every non-Muslim, in the name of "legal rights."

The most remarkable attribute, or lack thereof, of these bastards is their inability to smile, let alone laugh. I've been inside of thousands of Dunkin' Donuts, gas stations, 7 11's, liquor stores and various other businesses that they use as a front to send money back to fund wars and cowardly attacks against us, and these motherfuckers simply do not ever laugh, smile or seem remotely happy. They're a dangerous bunch and a group that I wrote off a long time ago. I won't speak to them, won't thank them and usually take note of businesses that display any symbols that would lead me to conclude that they're Muslims, so I never have to go back again.

This process was a slow one, though. I remember going into places and not being my usual cheerful, outgoing and polite self. I'm HUGE on holding doors, saying "Hey, how are you doing tonight" to cashiers and generally acting like a normal, civil, well-raised American adult. But, over time, I stopped doing that and I noticed something very odd. You could go into an Arab owned business and probably greater than 50% of the time conduct a transaction without a single word being said.

It opened my eyes, man. Here *I* was, for all these years, thinking I was being polite. Nope ... I was being stupid. These people hate us, and it's high time that we hate them back. I drew my own little personal line in the sand a long time ago, and I'm loving it. I'm not afraid to enter any conversation and, when asked, spout off that I neither have respect for nor do I even like Muslims. I won't speak to them unless it's absolutely mandated, I won't patronize them unless it's absolutely necessary and I won't associate with them under any circumstances outside of the workplace. I'd rather shower thrice daily with Jerry Sandusky and have an asshole the size of Akron. And the great thing about it all is that I'm simply treating them the same way that they've treated and viewed me all of these years.

Happy Thanksgiving.

[parfait]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

Pick your turkey wisely.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/ ... iving.html

Yuck Rick!

I know. No Butterball. I think we'll just eat ham. They won't go anywhere near that.

My sister is having the turkey catered, so I have no idea if it is or not. If I start yelling Jihad you will stop me won't you?

I wouldn't worry about it. If it alters your turkey buying decisions in the future, then that's good enough. They absolutely should mark those packages with something that lets you know it's a halal slaughtered turkey.

I say make it quick and painless, no torture. I don't get the need to do that.

Animals gets treated piss poor in the US. Most chickens don't even have enough room to stand up and move. Ear cropping, tail docking - it's all legal.

If you care about the animal and the quality of produce, then buy local.

[artist4perry]

Parfait I have to agree with you. I think we should be able to do it much more humanely. We used to rescue chickens kept in bins their whole lives. We brought them home and gave them a large pen, individual laying nests, a clean home, and food. Most of their beaks were worn off, and their claws were over grown, we had to hand feed them till their beaks grew back. Poor babies. We used their eggs. They were much happier at our place.

[Rick]

Two more creationists! The degree of ignorance on display is truly staggering.

Duncan, why does my belief in God bother you so much? You are free to believe in nothing. Or evolution... either one. Doesn't affect me either way you sinner.

AMEN! And pass the Turkey!

Pick your turkey wisely.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/11/ ... iving.html

Yuck Rick!

I know. No Butterball. I think we'll just eat ham. They won't go anywhere near that.

My sister is having the turkey catered, so I have no idea if it is or not. If I start yelling Jihad you will stop me won't you?

I wouldn't worry about it. If it alters your turkey buying decisions in the future, then that's good enough. They absolutely should mark those packages with something that lets you know it's a halal slaughtered turkey.

I say make it quick and painless, no torture. I don't get the need to do that.

Animals gets treated piss poor in the US. Most chickens don't even have enough room to stand up and move. Ear cropping, tail docking - it's all legal.

If you care about the animal and the quality of produce, then buy local.

Excellent point.

[donnaplease]

How is there no duress? God promises you will go to hell for eternity for simply not believing. How can this possibly be a concept we want to instill in our children.

Actually, some people teach that christian salvation is a GIFT given by God that we can choose or not choose to accept. Our free will gives us this option to choose - it's what we do with the option that determines our final destination. God wishes that none would perish, and thall all would willingly come to Him, that's why He gave us Jesus to be the intercessor between us. I don't see duress in that at all.

[G.I.Jim]

How is there no duress? God promises you will go to hell for eternity for simply not believing. How can this possibly be a concept we want to instill in our children.

Actually, some people teach that christian salvation is a GIFT given by God that we can choose or not choose to accept. Our free will gives us this option to choose - it's what we do with the option that determines our final destination. God wishes that none would perish, and thall all would willingly come to Him, that's why He gave us Jesus to be the intercessor between us. I don't see duress in that at all.

Amen sister, and I couldn't have said it any better myself.

[artist4perry]

How is there no duress? God promises you will go to hell for eternity for simply not believing. How can this possibly be a concept we want to instill in our children.

Actually, some people teach that christian salvation is a GIFT given by God that we can choose or not choose to accept. Our free will gives us this option to choose - it's what we do with the option that determines our final destination. God wishes that none would perish, and thall all would willingly come to Him, that's why He gave us Jesus to be the intercessor between us. I don't see duress in that at all.

Bingo.

[Rick]

Whether you believe or not, George Carlin is hilarious about God and religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o