President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[The_Noble_Cause]

I fear a government who wants to take away free speech (Fairness Doctrine)

Which you understand about as well as FISA.
Get Angie in here and ask about Arbitron ratings.
What we have now is anything but free speech.

Strapping the self-confessed mastermind of 9/11 to a board and giving him a good dunking doesn't scare me in the least.

Of course not.
You've already established you don't care about the rule of law.

Only a few idiots think of the rule of law as you do. It's dog eat dog dude. Champagne and cavier went out with Corporate Jets.

Wow.
Another "Conservative" comes clean and expresses his authoritarian view that the gov't should be above the law.
Anyone else detecting a pattern here?
Barry Goldwater wouldn't shit on you fascist clowns.

[Eric]

Oh by the way Stu, Newt is all but running in 2012.

Pick up the latest Newsweek. The evidence is all there.

Obama versus Newt.

Yep...thats pretty much set in stone me thinks.

[Eric]

How about suggesting that the Black Panthers are in any way working for Obama, for starters.

I didn't. The link said the DNC was involved.

Oh, so you don't even believe your own bullshit!
Good to know.
When I post a link, usually I am prepared to defend the info contained within.
But maybe that's just me.
If you don't believe the Black Panthers accusation to be true, then why post it?

I threw out an excessive link to combat your initial ridiculous storm trooper label.

Nothing ridiculous

Under Bush, the GOP has morphed into the pro-torture, pro-wiretap, pro-war party.
All symptoms of a police state.

So you equate the Bush admin with Nazi's. If thats not ridiculous I don't know what is.

Again - the point of that link was to show many people have labeled Obama's people the same way.

[RossValoryRocks]

I fear a government who wants to take away free speech (Fairness Doctrine)

Which you understand about as well as FISA.
Get Angie in here and ask about Arbitron ratings.
What we have now is anything but free speech.

Strapping the self-confessed mastermind of 9/11 to a board and giving him a good dunking doesn't scare me in the least.

Of course not.
You've already established you don't care about the rule of law.

Bullshit...it is YOU who understands NOTHING about the law.

Until SCOTUS rules on the consititutional questions, the law as written provides for what Bush id and what Obama is doing now. This IS the rule of law you idiot.

[RossValoryRocks]

I fear a government who wants to take away free speech (Fairness Doctrine)

Which you understand about as well as FISA.
Get Angie in here and ask about Arbitron ratings.
What we have now is anything but free speech.

Strapping the self-confessed mastermind of 9/11 to a board and giving him a good dunking doesn't scare me in the least.

Of course not.
You've already established you don't care about the rule of law.

Only a few idiots think of the rule of law as you do. It's dog eat dog dude. Champagne and cavier went out with Corporate Jets.

Wow.
Another "Conservative" comes clean and expresses his authoritarian view that the gov't should be above the law.
Anyone else detecting a pattern here?
Barry Goldwater wouldn't shit on you fascist clowns.

If I was a fascist I would have hunted you down and gotten rid of you permanently a long time ago. For now you are just too good a comedian for me to even contemplate that now.

I will be sending you a check for the royalties I am getting from your posts that I have put into a book entitled: "Liberal Hacks are Fucking Funny!" Your conspiracy theories are the stuff of legend man!

I am also serious about your getting a job with the DNC or ACORN or any one of the leftist groups out there that need a writer! Instead of parrotting the party line you could be WRITING IT! and making a ton of money!!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

So you equate the Bush admin with Nazi's. If thats not ridiculous I don't know what is.

Never said that.
However, torture and wiretaps, are both hallmarks of a police state.
The term "Homeland Security" even has a certain germanic ring to it.
But civil liberties always take a beating in war.

Again - the point of that link was to show many people have labeled Obama's people the same way.

You're lying again.
You personally said "Obama has people conducting themselves in a much more storm trooperish way."
You went on to post the Black Panthers video and others to make your case.
The Black Panthers are not affiliated with the DNC or Obama, so either you were insinuating Obama has ties to the Panthers; Or, you aren't responsible for your own actions.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bullshit...it is YOU who understands NOTHING about the law.

Until SCOTUS rules on the consititutional questions, the law as written provides for what Bush id and what Obama is doing now. This IS the rule of law you idiot.

Just because the Supreme Court has yet to weigh in, does not invalidate the opinion of the lower court.
You're using the Supreme Court's lack of involvement to deflect the issue.
Bush ignored the FISA law.
That's the long and short of it.
AUMF says nothing about surveillance, or giving the Prez the power to violate Congressional law.
Under the letter of the law, you're right, it remains to be settled.
But that shouldn't stop anyone (some Reagan administration lawyers included) from crying foul.

[Rockindeano]

If I was a fascist I would have hunted you down and gotten rid of you permanently a long time ago. For now you are just too good a comedian for me to even contemplate that now.

I will be sending you a check for the royalties I am getting from your posts that I have put into a book entitled: "Liberal Hacks are Fucking Funny!" Your conspiracy theories are the stuff of legend man!

I am also serious about your getting a job with the DNC or ACORN or any one of the leftist groups out there that need a writer! Instead of parrotting the party line you could be WRITING IT! and making a ton of money!!!

What the Hell is wrong with you?

You Cons are unbelievably embarrassing, and tonight you are all on fire. From Stu wanting to hunt down NC and "get rid of him permanently" to FF's disturbing avatar which he no doubt believes in, I am scared for america, because there is just enough of you idiots to get an election rigged again.

Again, what the fuck is wrong with you?

[Deacon]

You Cons are unbelievably embarrassing, and tonight you are all on fire. From Stu wanting to hunt down NC and "get rid of him permanently" to FF's disturbing avatar which he no doubt believes in, I am scared for america, because there is just enough of you idiots to get an election rigged again.

Again, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Can you source a time when it was rigged?

[Rockindeano]

You Cons are unbelievably embarrassing, and tonight you are all on fire. From Stu wanting to hunt down NC and "get rid of him permanently" to FF's disturbing avatar which he no doubt believes in, I am scared for america, because there is just enough of you idiots to get an election rigged again.

Again, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Can you source a time when it was rigged?

Oh goodie, my favourite punching bag just waddled in.

Florida, National Election, November of 1999.

MY source. That's all that counts. Don't believe me, ask Mr Conservative himself, Pat Buchanon.

[Deacon]

You Cons are unbelievably embarrassing, and tonight you are all on fire. From Stu wanting to hunt down NC and "get rid of him permanently" to FF's disturbing avatar which he no doubt believes in, I am scared for america, because there is just enough of you idiots to get an election rigged again.

Again, what the fuck is wrong with you?

Can you source a time when it was rigged?

Oh goodie, my favourite punching bag just waddled in.

Man, you are fucking annoying.

The hypocrisy of your own brand of entertainment... I love it. At first, you're excited to see me, then you simply let the insults fly. LOL. Nice.

[Deacon]

MY source. That's all that counts. Don't believe me, ask Mr Conservative himself, Pat Buchanon.

Oh, so you're going off of assumptions rather than what was deemed legal?

I see. Good job, Deano.

[Rockindeano]

MY source. That's all that counts. Don't believe me, ask Mr Conservative himself, Pat Buchanon.

Oh, so you're going off of assumptions rather than what was deemed legal?

I see. Good job, Deano.

"Deemed legal?"

LOL, like that carries a ton of water. The Iraqi war was deemed legal; doesn't make it true now does it?

[Deacon]

MY source. That's all that counts. Don't believe me, ask Mr Conservative himself, Pat Buchanon.

Oh, so you're going off of assumptions rather than what was deemed legal?

I see. Good job, Deano.

"Deemed legal?"

LOL, like that carries a ton of water. The Iraqi war was deemed legal; doesn't make it true now does it?

Considering Saddam DID have WMD's, yeah, I think it was true. Moot point.

The results were deemed legal through appropriate judicial methods ergo claiming that the election was rigged is completely subjective which makes the presentation that you're giving said opinion false.

[Rockindeano]

Considering Saddam [b]DID have WMD's[/b], yeah, I think it was true. Moot point.

Prove he had them. We, the almighty United States couldn't find any. What is Fox News telling you to say next?

[Deacon]

Considering Saddam [b]DID have WMD's[/b], yeah, I think it was true. Moot point.

Prove he had them. We, the almighty United States couldn't find any, but if you say so, I guess he did.

Let's forget about all of that imaginary mustard gas that he killed all of those nonexistent Kurds with, shall we?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Considering Saddam DID have WMD's, yeah, I think it was true. Moot point.

Might want to let Bush in on that secret.
This is the same administration that would cling to ANYTHING to make the case for war - including putting words in Bush's state of the union that the CIA already said were crap.
Colin Powell also stayed up thru the night purging disproven crap from his UN Speech.
If the administration found anything remotely close to what they hoped, they would've been all over it.

[Rockindeano]

Considering Saddam [b]DID have WMD's[/b], yeah, I think it was true. Moot point.

Prove he had them. We, the almighty United States couldn't find any, but if you say so, I guess he did.

Let's forget about all of that imaginary mustard gas that he killed all of those nonexistent Kurds with, shall we?

So wait, we went into Iraq because Saddam had mustard gas and that is the WMD that we cited as him possessing? I thought we went in there because Vice president Cheney linked Iraq to 9/11. Either way, we sure didn't give a shit about Hussein's use of gas on the Kurds before. You telling me we went in there to stop the inter Iraqi slaughter?

[Deacon]

Considering Saddam DID have WMD's, yeah, I think it was true. Moot point.

Might want to let Bush in on that secret.
This is the same administration that would cling to ANYTHING to make the case for war - including putting words in Bush's state of the union that the CIA already said were crap.
Colin Powell also stayed up thru the night purging disproven crap from his UN Speech.
If the administration found anything remotely close to what they hoped, they would've been all over it.

As I said, they DID have WMD's. I'm not necessarily saying that Saddam's Iraq possessed them whenever we invaded, but lets simply forget about that mustard gas.

[Rockindeano]

Considering Saddam DID have WMD's, yeah, I think it was true. Moot point.

Might want to let Bush in on that secret.
This is the same administration that would cling to ANYTHING to make the case for war - including putting words in Bush's state of the union that the CIA already said were crap.
Colin Powell also stayed up thru the night purging disproven crap from his UN Speech.
If the administration found anything remotely close to what they hoped, they would've been all over it.

Y E L L O W C A K E ?

[Rockindeano]

Considering Saddam DID have WMD's, yeah, I think it was true. Moot point.

Might want to let Bush in on that secret.
This is the same administration that would cling to ANYTHING to make the case for war - including putting words in Bush's state of the union that the CIA already said were crap.
Colin Powell also stayed up thru the night purging disproven crap from his UN Speech.
If the administration found anything remotely close to what they hoped, they would've been all over it.

As I said, they DID have WMD's. I'm not necessarily saying that Saddam's Iraq possessed them whenever we invaded, but lets simply forget about that mustard gas.

No. YOU prove to me they had WMD's.

By the way "WMD's" as the Administration wanted our electorate to believe, were the kind that could do US harm. The only weaponry that Iraq could possess that could harm US would be a Soviet made ICBM. People with a brain(Democrats), dispelled this as lying garbage, whereas Karl Rove drummed up enough fear to the Midwestern soccer moms to support Bush.

[Deacon]

No. YOU prove to me they had WMD's.

By the way "WMD's" as the Administration wanted our electorate to believe, were the kind that could do US harm. The only weaponry that Iraq could possess that could harm US would be a Soviet made ICBM. People with a brain(Democrats), dispelled this as lying garbage, whereas Karl Rove drummed up enough fear to the Midwestern soccer moms to support Bush.

Since when did you deal in half-truth's, Deano? Either way, I'm glad that you've made a step up, a rather large step actually, from the complete bullshit you usually post.

Nevertheless, here is the definition for WMD's:

A weapon of mass destruction (WMD) is a weapon that can kill large numbers of humans and/or cause great damage to man-made structures (e.g. buildings), natural structures (e.g. mountains), or the biosphere in general.

It isn't my fault if the former administration decided to use propaganda and inflate the definition. According to the ACTUAL definition, Saddam did.

[RossValoryRocks]

If I was a fascist I would have hunted you down and gotten rid of you permanently a long time ago. For now you are just too good a comedian for me to even contemplate that now.

I will be sending you a check for the royalties I am getting from your posts that I have put into a book entitled: "Liberal Hacks are Fucking Funny!" Your conspiracy theories are the stuff of legend man!

I am also serious about your getting a job with the DNC or ACORN or any one of the leftist groups out there that need a writer! Instead of parrotting the party line you could be WRITING IT! and making a ton of money!!!

What the Hell is wrong with you?

You Cons are unbelievably embarrassing, and tonight you are all on fire. From Stu wanting to hunt down NC and "get rid of him permanently" to FF's disturbing avatar which he no doubt believes in, I am scared for america, because there is just enough of you idiots to get an election rigged again.

Again, what the fuck is wrong with you?

When did I say I wanted to hunt him down?? I said if I was a fascist I would have done so...thus I am not a fascist.

I don't know what is wrong with me...evidently what is wrong with YOU is that YOU can't read.

[Eric]

So you equate the Bush admin with Nazi's. If thats not ridiculous I don't know what is.

Never said that.
However, torture and wiretaps, are both hallmarks of a police state.
The term "Homeland Security" even has a certain germanic ring to it.
But civil liberties always take a beating in war.

Again - the point of that link was to show many people have labeled Obama's people the same way.

You're lying again.
You personally said "Obama has people conducting themselves in a much more storm trooperish way."
You went on to post the Black Panthers video and others to make your case.
The Black Panthers are not affiliated with the DNC or Obama, so either you were insinuating Obama has ties to the Panthers; Or, you aren't responsible for your own actions.

I apologize...should have said "supporters" rather than "people". And for the 3rd time...I later posted that it was ridiculous of either of us to equate any of these actions as Nazi-esque. But you've continued......because you are delusional about anything Bush.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And for the 3rd time...I later posted that it was ridiculous of either of us to equate any of these actions as Nazi-esque.

Of course not.
But apparently it is OK for you to equate Obama as Mussolini-esque, considering you earlier called him a "fascist".
And the difference between labeling the President a Nazi or a Fascist is just what exactly?

But you've continued......because you are delusional about anything Bush.

I simply said torture, the curtailment of civil liberties, and extreme nationalism are accompanying signs of totalitarianism.
And that the term "enhanced interrogation" actually came from the Nazis.
Those are facts.
Care to dispute them?

[Rockindeano]

I don't know why the hell you continue to post misleading polls. Take a look at the language in "your" poll, FF?


Here is the REAL Obama Approval ratings:

President Obama Job Approval



Poll Date Sample Approve Disapprove Spread

RCP Average 03/31 - 04/20 -- 60.8 30.5 +30.3
Gallup 04/18 - 04/20 1547 A 63 28 +35
Rasmussen Reports 04/18 - 04/20 1500 LV 54 45 +9
Cook/RT Strategies 04/08 - 04/11 833 RV 60 30 +30
Ipsos/McClatchy 04/02 - 04/06 1138 A 63 33 +30
Pew Research 03/31 - 04/06 1506 A 61 26 +35
CNN 04/03 - 04/05 1023 A 66 30 +36
CBS News/NY Times 04/01 - 04/05 998 A 66 24 +42
Marist 04/01 - 04/03 928 RV 56 30 +26
Newsweek 04/01 - 04/02 1003 A 61 27 +34
FOX News 03/31 - 04/01 900 RV 58 32 +26

Even Faux News has Obama at +26.

Man, do the lies and bullshit ever stop with the Right?

[Eric]

http://www.cnsnews.com/public/content/a ... rcID=46949

[RossValoryRocks]

Why do people actually think Polls mean shit as far as it indicates a President is doing good or bad?

If a pedophile was out on the street corner passing out $100 bills most people would give him high poll numbers...conversely the guy running a medium sized business who was forced to lay people off or go out of business would probably get bad marks.

Who cares what the polls say, either way.

Obama is doing ok...all things considered...stuff I don't like? SURE...but some stuff I think he is doing well on.

[Lula]

torture is not okay and it is important to me that the president does not back down and allow crimes of the prior administration to go unchecked.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090421/ap_ ... tion_memos

[treetopovskaya]

neither is beheading. }:C| unfortunately, we're dealing with people who think beheading is an acceptible bargaining tool.

you know what's wrong with this country? people care more about the rights of those committing crimes than they care about the rights of the victims. that's why people who commit crimes are set free just to commit more unthinkable acts.

torture is not okay and it is important to me that the president does not back down and allow crimes of the prior administration to go unchecked.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090421/ap_ ... tion_memos