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Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
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by Michigan Girl » Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:54 am
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When Mackenzie Phillips dropped her bombshell during an episode of Oprah, revealing that she had had an incestuous relationship with her father, John Phillips, for 10 years, controversy swirled. The revelation came on the heels of the publication of Phillips' memoir "High on Arrival," in which she accuses "Papa John" of The Mommas and the Papas of molesting her when she was 18.
Though Phillips says she doesn't remember if the incident at age 18 was the first time her father acted inappropriately with her, she acknowledges the sexual relationship continued for another decade and eventually became consensual. Phillips says she ended it when she became pregnant and didn't know if the father of the child was her own father or her husband; she decided to have an abortion. Though some of Phillips' family members, including her stepmother Michelle Phillips, aren't convinced of the veracity of the former child star's revelation, the scandal has brought attention to an issue that is, more often than not, swept under the rug.
Thomas Nagy, Ph.D., Adjunct Assistant Clinical Professor at Stanford University School of Medicine says he believes most incidents of incest never come to light and, as a result, countless individuals go without treatment. He also states that it's impossible to say that incest that continues into adulthood is necessarily conducted on a consensual level. "When the victim encounters that abuser again in adulthood, in that moment, they've dissociated into an adolescent mindset again," he points out. That's why it's so important for victims of abuse to seek and stick with therapy for the long haul. "These victims have to grow boundaries and learn how to find a sense of self again."
"It's always traumatic in the long run," Nagy adds, whether the incest begins when a child is six or 17. "It's child abuse, and there is no such thing as consensual sex with a child."
Debra Borys, Ph.D., a Los-Angeles-based therapist specializing in issues of abuse and incest, agrees and points out that many victims of abuse ultimately start making accommodations in their own belief systems. Mackenzie, for example, has repeatedly stated that her father was not a bad man but rather suffering from mental illness. "The abusers become such a key attachment figure in the lives of their victims," Borys says. "And when it's been a long-term relationship started in childhood or adolescence, the victim may feel he or she is special to the abuser."
Nagy says in his experience it is rare to see adults continue in incestuous relationships once they've come of age, but it does happen. "It's a huge boundary violation that begins in pre-adolescence and adolescence, and those years of conditioning to be subservient just don't go away in adulthood," he explains. "It's easy to regress and dissociate and become an adolescent all over again."
If victims don't seek treatment, whether children or adults, long-term impacts can be many and may include everything from depression and substance abuse to nightmares, withdrawal and promiscuity. "The effects vary depending on age and whether or not the relationship was long-term," Borys adds.
The most common adult response to past incestuous sexual abuse, says Nagy, is the development of delayed onset post-traumatic stress disorder. "Adult victims will almost certainly have mood disorders as well as physical disorders like gastrointestinal problems or chronic pain," he explains.
When Mackenzie Phillips dropped her bombshell during an episode of Oprah, revealing that she had had an incestuous relationship with her father, John Phillips, for 10 years, controversy swirled. The revelation came on the heels of the publication of Phillips' memoir "High on Arrival," in which she accuses "Papa John" of The Mommas and the Papas of molesting her when she was 18.
Though Phillips says she doesn't remember if the incident at age 18 was the first time her father acted inappropriately with her, she acknowledges the sexual relationship continued for another decade and eventually became consensual. Phillips says she ended it when she became pregnant and didn't know if the father of the child was her own father or her husband; she decided to have an abortion. Though some of Phillips' family members, including her stepmother Michelle Phillips, aren't convinced of the veracity of the former child star's revelation, the scandal has brought attention to an issue that is, more often than not, swept under the rug.
Thomas Nagy, Ph.D., Adjunct Assistant Clinical Professor at Stanford University School of Medicine says he believes most incidents of incest never come to light and, as a result, countless individuals go without treatment. He also states that it's impossible to say that incest that continues into adulthood is necessarily conducted on a consensual level. "When the victim encounters that abuser again in adulthood, in that moment, they've dissociated into an adolescent mindset again," he points out. That's why it's so important for victims of abuse to seek and stick with therapy for the long haul. "These victims have to grow boundaries and learn how to find a sense of self again."
"It's always traumatic in the long run," Nagy adds, whether the incest begins when a child is six or 17. "It's child abuse, and there is no such thing as consensual sex with a child."
Debra Borys, Ph.D., a Los-Angeles-based therapist specializing in issues of abuse and incest, agrees and points out that many victims of abuse ultimately start making accommodations in their own belief systems. Mackenzie, for example, has repeatedly stated that her father was not a bad man but rather suffering from mental illness. "The abusers become such a key attachment figure in the lives of their victims," Borys says. "And when it's been a long-term relationship started in childhood or adolescence, the victim may feel he or she is special to the abuser."
Nagy says in his experience it is rare to see adults continue in incestuous relationships once they've come of age, but it does happen. "It's a huge boundary violation that begins in pre-adolescence and adolescence, and those years of conditioning to be subservient just don't go away in adulthood," he explains. "It's easy to regress and dissociate and become an adolescent all over again."
If victims don't seek treatment, whether children or adults, long-term impacts can be many and may include everything from depression and substance abuse to nightmares, withdrawal and promiscuity. "The effects vary depending on age and whether or not the relationship was long-term," Borys adds.
The most common adult response to past incestuous sexual abuse, says Nagy, is the development of delayed onset post-traumatic stress disorder. "Adult victims will almost certainly have mood disorders as well as physical disorders like gastrointestinal problems or chronic pain," he explains.
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by Jana » Sat Sep 26, 2009 4:55 am
CHICAGO -- Actress Bijou Phillips says she knew her half-sister Mackenzie Phillips had consensual sex with their father, Mamas and the Papas leader John Phillips.
In a statement read by Oprah Winfrey on her talk show Friday, Bijou Phillips says she was 13 years old when Mackenzie Phillips told her about the sexual relationship.
Bijou Phillips is now 29 and says the news was confusing and scary. She says it was "heartbreaking" to think her family would leave her alone with her father.
Appearing as a guest on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" Friday, Mackenzie Phillips said their father "had changed his ways as much as he was able to" and she felt Bijou Phillips was safe.
Mackenzie Phillips says she did go get her sister when she "felt like she wasn't being watched properly."
In a statement read by Oprah Winfrey on her talk show Friday, Bijou Phillips says she was 13 years old when Mackenzie Phillips told her about the sexual relationship.
Bijou Phillips is now 29 and says the news was confusing and scary. She says it was "heartbreaking" to think her family would leave her alone with her father.
Appearing as a guest on "The Oprah Winfrey Show" Friday, Mackenzie Phillips said their father "had changed his ways as much as he was able to" and she felt Bijou Phillips was safe.
Mackenzie Phillips says she did go get her sister when she "felt like she wasn't being watched properly."
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by tammy » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:01 am
Just to comment on the topic of the thread...I happened to see the Oprah interview with MP and if she is "lying" then she deserves the Oscar because I found her story believable (and, I never thought she was a good actress). She was articulate & emotional and when she talked about forgiveness it was very deep. Her upbringing was skewed to begin with - the 60s free love, drugs, "anything goes" - so prevalent then and in the RocknRoll world, I don't think she even knew what was normal to begin with. Her mission seems to be to bring this hidden secret out and help others...even if her book & speaking out helps just one person be free.
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by Jana » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:03 am
CNN) -- The reaction to Mackenzie Phillips' detailed account of her sexual relationship with her father, John Phillips, has been explosive, and some of the strongest statements have come from her family.
Chynna Phillips said she doesn't think anyone could make up having a consensual incestuous relationship.
1 of 2 But as the former actress and musician talked with Oprah Winfrey for the second time this week -- this time about the firestorm that erupted from her hour-long interview Wednesday -- she said she doesn't regret writing her memoir, "High on Arrival."
"I understand this is a difficult thing for my family," Phillips told Winfrey via satellite Friday, "but nobody's talking about this, and if I've started a national dialogue, then I'm forever grateful."
Phillips said she has gotten letters and Facebook messages from incest survivors, thanking her for coming forward.
"It's been heartening and heartbreaking at the same time," she said.
John Phillips died in 2001.
Two of his former wives, however, have vehemently denied Mackenzie Phillips' accusations.
In an statement to CNN, Michelle Phillips, an original Mamas & Papas bandmate who divorced John in 1970, called the situation "very hurtful."
"McKenzie's drug addiction for 35 years has been the result of many unpleasant experiences," Michelle Phillips said. "Whether her relationship with her father is delusional or not, it is an unfortunate circumstance and very hurtful for our entire family."
She spoke more strongly to The Hollywood Reporter's Roger Friedman, telling him, "Mackenzie has a lot of mental illness. She's had a needle stuck up her arm for 35 years. ... She did 'Celebrity Rehab,' and now she writes a book. The whole thing is timed."
Genevieve Waite, who married John Phillips in 1972, told Winfrey in a statement that "John was a good man who had a lot of problems, [but] he was incapable, no matter how drunk or drugged he was, to have sexual relations with his own child."
The fallout from Phillips' decision to reveal her family's secrets has been heartbreaking for her sister Bijou as well.
Bijou Phillips supplied a statement to Winfrey stating that Mackenzie told her about the incestuous relationship with their father when Bijou was 13 but later denied it.
"This news was confusing and also scary, because I'd lived alone with him since I was 3," she said. "[John Phillips] was Mr. Mom, loving and encouraging; the man who raised me would never be capable of such things."
She also questioned why Mackenzie would leave her alone with their father if he'd molested the elder sister.
Still, Bijou Phillips showed signs of measured support.
"I understand Mackenzie's need to come clean, but it hurts because the man in question isn't here to defend himself," she said. "I hope she can come to terms with this and find peace."
Mackenzie Phillips told Winfrey that her family's disbelief and anger saddened her, especially since she and Bijou Phillips have been very close. Phillips recalled the way Bijou immediately came to her aid when she was arrested last year for cocaine and heroin possession.
"I love my baby sister, and I miss having contact with her," Mackenzie said.
"By the time Bijou was living with my father, I felt she was safe. I did take her out of there if I felt like she wasn't being watched properly," she said in her defense.
But she added that Michelle Phillips' statements weren't as surprising.
"When Michelle found out I was writing this book, she vowed to do everything to discredit me," Mackenzie told Winfrey. "She's having a textbook reaction, trying to sweep it under the rug. It seems so unkind and ungenerous to lash out in this way; I don't have a history of mental illness. I have a history of drug addiction."
Chynna Phillips, who also sat down with Winfrey on Friday, said she believes that her mother, Michelle, made those statements out of anger and that she does still love Mackenzie, even if she doesn't admit it.
"I think the most devastating thing is when people are in denial and don't want things on a public platform, it's not something everyone wants to share with the world," Chynna Phillips said. "It's not something my mom wants plastered all over the papers."
Chynna told Winfrey that she'd known about her sister's history with her father for about 12 years and believes that no one would go out of their way to admit having a consensual incestuous relationship.
She's also not the only one who thinks Mackenzie is telling the truth.
Jessica Woods, the daughter of former Mamas & Papas band member Denny Doherty, also wrote in to Winfrey and said her father knew about everything.
"I just watched your show," Woods wrote, "and everything she said is true. My dad told me the awful truth, and he was horrified at what John had done."
Chynna, who grew up with her mother, said that although she didn't spend a lot of time with John Phillips, the memories she had of him were positive, in spite of the heavy drug use she witnessed.
"He was a very charismatic man," she said. "He was a very talented man and a very loving man in many ways."
Now one half of the Christian music duo Chynna and Vaughan, Chynna said that her relationship with Mackenzie has grown over the past six months and that she's proud of her half-sister for having the courage to talk about her past.
"The thing is, who among us haven't done something that we're highly ashamed of in our lives?" she said to Winfrey. "Who are we to cast the first stone? In my faith, as a Christian, God told me I need to forgive. Am I happy that she put me in this position? No, I'm not. But I have to forgive. It's 13 years later, and I still haven't digested this information."
Chynna added that she hopes her sister will take her experiences and use them to help others, offering one piece of advice: "Get the Lord on board, because you'll need it
Chynna Phillips said she doesn't think anyone could make up having a consensual incestuous relationship.
1 of 2 But as the former actress and musician talked with Oprah Winfrey for the second time this week -- this time about the firestorm that erupted from her hour-long interview Wednesday -- she said she doesn't regret writing her memoir, "High on Arrival."
"I understand this is a difficult thing for my family," Phillips told Winfrey via satellite Friday, "but nobody's talking about this, and if I've started a national dialogue, then I'm forever grateful."
Phillips said she has gotten letters and Facebook messages from incest survivors, thanking her for coming forward.
"It's been heartening and heartbreaking at the same time," she said.
John Phillips died in 2001.
Two of his former wives, however, have vehemently denied Mackenzie Phillips' accusations.
In an statement to CNN, Michelle Phillips, an original Mamas & Papas bandmate who divorced John in 1970, called the situation "very hurtful."
"McKenzie's drug addiction for 35 years has been the result of many unpleasant experiences," Michelle Phillips said. "Whether her relationship with her father is delusional or not, it is an unfortunate circumstance and very hurtful for our entire family."
She spoke more strongly to The Hollywood Reporter's Roger Friedman, telling him, "Mackenzie has a lot of mental illness. She's had a needle stuck up her arm for 35 years. ... She did 'Celebrity Rehab,' and now she writes a book. The whole thing is timed."
Genevieve Waite, who married John Phillips in 1972, told Winfrey in a statement that "John was a good man who had a lot of problems, [but] he was incapable, no matter how drunk or drugged he was, to have sexual relations with his own child."
The fallout from Phillips' decision to reveal her family's secrets has been heartbreaking for her sister Bijou as well.
Bijou Phillips supplied a statement to Winfrey stating that Mackenzie told her about the incestuous relationship with their father when Bijou was 13 but later denied it.
"This news was confusing and also scary, because I'd lived alone with him since I was 3," she said. "[John Phillips] was Mr. Mom, loving and encouraging; the man who raised me would never be capable of such things."
She also questioned why Mackenzie would leave her alone with their father if he'd molested the elder sister.
Still, Bijou Phillips showed signs of measured support.
"I understand Mackenzie's need to come clean, but it hurts because the man in question isn't here to defend himself," she said. "I hope she can come to terms with this and find peace."
Mackenzie Phillips told Winfrey that her family's disbelief and anger saddened her, especially since she and Bijou Phillips have been very close. Phillips recalled the way Bijou immediately came to her aid when she was arrested last year for cocaine and heroin possession.
"I love my baby sister, and I miss having contact with her," Mackenzie said.
"By the time Bijou was living with my father, I felt she was safe. I did take her out of there if I felt like she wasn't being watched properly," she said in her defense.
But she added that Michelle Phillips' statements weren't as surprising.
"When Michelle found out I was writing this book, she vowed to do everything to discredit me," Mackenzie told Winfrey. "She's having a textbook reaction, trying to sweep it under the rug. It seems so unkind and ungenerous to lash out in this way; I don't have a history of mental illness. I have a history of drug addiction."
Chynna Phillips, who also sat down with Winfrey on Friday, said she believes that her mother, Michelle, made those statements out of anger and that she does still love Mackenzie, even if she doesn't admit it.
"I think the most devastating thing is when people are in denial and don't want things on a public platform, it's not something everyone wants to share with the world," Chynna Phillips said. "It's not something my mom wants plastered all over the papers."
Chynna told Winfrey that she'd known about her sister's history with her father for about 12 years and believes that no one would go out of their way to admit having a consensual incestuous relationship.
She's also not the only one who thinks Mackenzie is telling the truth.
Jessica Woods, the daughter of former Mamas & Papas band member Denny Doherty, also wrote in to Winfrey and said her father knew about everything.
"I just watched your show," Woods wrote, "and everything she said is true. My dad told me the awful truth, and he was horrified at what John had done."
Chynna, who grew up with her mother, said that although she didn't spend a lot of time with John Phillips, the memories she had of him were positive, in spite of the heavy drug use she witnessed.
"He was a very charismatic man," she said. "He was a very talented man and a very loving man in many ways."
Now one half of the Christian music duo Chynna and Vaughan, Chynna said that her relationship with Mackenzie has grown over the past six months and that she's proud of her half-sister for having the courage to talk about her past.
"The thing is, who among us haven't done something that we're highly ashamed of in our lives?" she said to Winfrey. "Who are we to cast the first stone? In my faith, as a Christian, God told me I need to forgive. Am I happy that she put me in this position? No, I'm not. But I have to forgive. It's 13 years later, and I still haven't digested this information."
Chynna added that she hopes her sister will take her experiences and use them to help others, offering one piece of advice: "Get the Lord on board, because you'll need it
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by Deb » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:06 am
tammy wrote:Just to comment on the topic of the thread...I happened to see the Oprah interview with MP and if she is "lying" then she deserves the Oscar because I found her story believable (and, I never thought she was a good actress). She was articulate & emotional and when she talked about forgiveness it was very deep. Her upbringing was skewed to begin with - the 60s free love, drugs, "anything goes" - so prevalent then and in the RocknRoll world, I don't think she even knew what was normal to begin with. Her mission seems to be to bring this hidden secret out and help others...even if her book & speaking out helps just one person be free.
It was nice to see Valerie come out and support her, she was geniunely surprised and very touched by her support. I think she is going public and doing it more for other (consentual) incest victims to get the help they need with their guilt/shame and I would think totally screwed up minds/lives.
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by Michigan Girl » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:15 am
Deb wrote:tammy wrote:Just to comment on the topic of the thread...I happened to see the Oprah interview with MP and if she is "lying" then she deserves the Oscar because I found her story believable (and, I never thought she was a good actress). She was articulate & emotional and when she talked about forgiveness it was very deep. Her upbringing was skewed to begin with - the 60s free love, drugs, "anything goes" - so prevalent then and in the RocknRoll world, I don't think she even knew what was normal to begin with. Her mission seems to be to bring this hidden secret out and help others...even if her book & speaking out helps just one person be free.
It was nice to see Valerie come out and support her, she was geniunely surprised and very touched by her support. I think she is going public and doing it more for other (consentual) incest victims to get the help they need with their guilt/shame and I would think totally screwed up minds/lives.
LOL, Tammy, I know you're serious, but that was funny!!!
Deb... is that what they are calling it....consentual incest?!?!?
"It's always traumatic in the long run," Nagy adds, whether the incest begins when a child is six or 17. "It's child abuse, and there is no such thing as consensual sex with a child."
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by Deb » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:52 am
Michigan Girl wrote:Deb wrote:tammy wrote:Just to comment on the topic of the thread...I happened to see the Oprah interview with MP and if she is "lying" then she deserves the Oscar because I found her story believable (and, I never thought she was a good actress). She was articulate & emotional and when she talked about forgiveness it was very deep. Her upbringing was skewed to begin with - the 60s free love, drugs, "anything goes" - so prevalent then and in the RocknRoll world, I don't think she even knew what was normal to begin with. Her mission seems to be to bring this hidden secret out and help others...even if her book & speaking out helps just one person be free.
It was nice to see Valerie come out and support her, she was geniunely surprised and very touched by her support. I think she is going public and doing it more for other (consentual) incest victims to get the help they need with their guilt/shame and I would think totally screwed up minds/lives.
LOL, Tammy, I know you're serious, but that was funny!!!
Deb... is that what they are calling it....consentual incest?!?!?
"It's always traumatic in the long run," Nagy adds, whether the incest begins when a child is six or 17. "It's child abuse, and there is no such thing as consensual sex with a child."
That's what she kept calling it, I guess she was distinguishing it from rape? I don't know. Either way, he's the gdamn parent, it's just sick.
Can't imagine that would be an easy thing to tell the world...........and I wouldn't think that's the kind of attention someone would seek. Now Playing: Andy Taylor - https://youtu.be/wTrQWWcmPwE?si=jD0ogUywaAxikjze
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Re: Mackenzie Phillips: I Slept with My Own Father
by Carla777 » Sat Sep 26, 2009 6:59 am
Deb wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:Agreed. If it's true, and she needed to unburden herself with it, there are other outlets. Therapy, perhaps?!
The motivation here is very clear given that she's spilling it to the world in a book.
I mean good lord, I like a good juicy autobiography once in awhile but this is even too much for me.
Sex with her father?! BLECH!
I'm sticking with Nikki Sixx's book. At least he cleaned himself up and works to support the cause now.
(at least, that's the last update I received... lol)
I still want to get that one.........and also Rudy Sarzo's book Off The Rails, about his days in the band with Ozzy and Randy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeuP-QH5Ri4
nice!! i also want to read this book about R. Blackmore http://www.amazon.co.uk/Black-Knight-Ri ... 1846092663
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by Carla777 » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:10 am
MBPL wrote:First, Stevew2 and St John are a coupla fucking goofs! I hate that I laughed at some of their comments!
Second, I have personal knowledge of a sexual relationship for many years between a family member and (“god father”). I was told by the victim of both molestation and rape, they are acts of complete control. A child is weaned if I can use that word, into believing what is happening is “right.” Or that child is threatened into believing it, or drugged. In Mac's case, this is her dad. I mean, can you imagine your own parent making you believe sex with them is right? How would you not know? So, aside from making money, maybe it’s true. Maybe Mac waited until John passed on and she fought with herself to put this story out to hopefully help others.
A parent/child relationship is a hard thing to explain, children no matter what age continue to fear their parents and trust them at the same time. In this case, well, John cannot speak for himself so I won’t buy the book, but if Mac is in fact telling the truth and trying to help other victims speak out and embarrass the sick people men and women who perpetrate such an atrocious acts, more power to her. Just my big-brown-boobied, nappy-hair opinion.
I agree with you...the kids can't fully understand for many reason what happen to them, specially if the rape if from an adult who you trust and love like a parent...they know it after when they grow up, and realized of the awful truth...and in this case in particular that's maybe why she have so many drugs problems..so for me could be true
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by bluejeangirl76 » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:43 am
Deb wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Deb wrote:tammy wrote:Just to comment on the topic of the thread...I happened to see the Oprah interview with MP and if she is "lying" then she deserves the Oscar because I found her story believable (and, I never thought she was a good actress). She was articulate & emotional and when she talked about forgiveness it was very deep. Her upbringing was skewed to begin with - the 60s free love, drugs, "anything goes" - so prevalent then and in the RocknRoll world, I don't think she even knew what was normal to begin with. Her mission seems to be to bring this hidden secret out and help others...even if her book & speaking out helps just one person be free.
It was nice to see Valerie come out and support her, she was geniunely surprised and very touched by her support. I think she is going public and doing it more for other (consentual) incest victims to get the help they need with their guilt/shame and I would think totally screwed up minds/lives.
LOL, Tammy, I know you're serious, but that was funny!!!
Deb... is that what they are calling it....consentual incest?!?!?
"It's always traumatic in the long run," Nagy adds, whether the incest begins when a child is six or 17. "It's child abuse, and there is no such thing as consensual sex with a child."
That's what she kept calling it, I guess she was distinguishing it from rape? I don't know. Either way, he's the gdamn parent, it's just sick.
She's out of her motherfuc- erm... fatherfucking - mind. Consensual incest? I think that (if this happened...) she was just so drugged up all the time that she didn't care. Now she's calling it that because it's a prettied up way to say "I was taken advantage of and did nothing about it".
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by Behshad » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:49 am
bluejeangirl76 wrote:Deb wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Deb wrote:tammy wrote:Just to comment on the topic of the thread...I happened to see the Oprah interview with MP and if she is "lying" then she deserves the Oscar because I found her story believable (and, I never thought she was a good actress). She was articulate & emotional and when she talked about forgiveness it was very deep. Her upbringing was skewed to begin with - the 60s free love, drugs, "anything goes" - so prevalent then and in the RocknRoll world, I don't think she even knew what was normal to begin with. Her mission seems to be to bring this hidden secret out and help others...even if her book & speaking out helps just one person be free.
It was nice to see Valerie come out and support her, she was geniunely surprised and very touched by her support. I think she is going public and doing it more for other (consentual) incest victims to get the help they need with their guilt/shame and I would think totally screwed up minds/lives.
LOL, Tammy, I know you're serious, but that was funny!!!
Deb... is that what they are calling it....consentual incest?!?!?
"It's always traumatic in the long run," Nagy adds, whether the incest begins when a child is six or 17. "It's child abuse, and there is no such thing as consensual sex with a child."
That's what she kept calling it, I guess she was distinguishing it from rape? I don't know. Either way, he's the gdamn parent, it's just sick.
She's out of her motherfuc- erm... fatherfucking - mind. Consensual incest? I think that (if this happened...) she was just so drugged up all the time that she didn't care. Now she's calling it that because it's a prettied up way to say "I was taken advantage of and did nothing about it".
Thats one way to express yourself,,,,,or you could simply tell us how you really feel
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by Michigan Girl » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:50 am
bluejeangirl76 wrote:Deb wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Deb wrote:tammy wrote:Just to comment on the topic of the thread...I happened to see the Oprah interview with MP and if she is "lying" then she deserves the Oscar because I found her story believable (and, I never thought she was a good actress). She was articulate & emotional and when she talked about forgiveness it was very deep. Her upbringing was skewed to begin with - the 60s free love, drugs, "anything goes" - so prevalent then and in the RocknRoll world, I don't think she even knew what was normal to begin with. Her mission seems to be to bring this hidden secret out and help others...even if her book & speaking out helps just one person be free.
It was nice to see Valerie come out and support her, she was geniunely surprised and very touched by her support. I think she is going public and doing it more for other (consentual) incest victims to get the help they need with their guilt/shame and I would think totally screwed up minds/lives.
LOL, Tammy, I know you're serious, but that was funny!!!
Deb... is that what they are calling it....consentual incest?!?!?
"It's always traumatic in the long run," Nagy adds, whether the incest begins when a child is six or 17. "It's child abuse, and there is no such thing as consensual sex with a child."
That's what she kept calling it, I guess she was distinguishing it from rape? I don't know. Either way, he's the gdamn parent, it's just sick.
She's out of her motherfuc- erm... fatherfucking - mind. Consensual incest? I think that (if this happened...) she was just so drugged up all the time that she didn't care. Now she's calling it that because it's a prettied up way to say "I was taken advantage of and did nothing about it".
But it doesn't sound like she's getting professional help if she is still referring to it as consensual... a therapist would have corrected her~you would think!!!
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by bluejeangirl76 » Sat Sep 26, 2009 7:55 am
Behshad wrote:bluejeangirl76 wrote:Deb wrote:Michigan Girl wrote:Deb wrote:tammy wrote:Just to comment on the topic of the thread...I happened to see the Oprah interview with MP and if she is "lying" then she deserves the Oscar because I found her story believable (and, I never thought she was a good actress). She was articulate & emotional and when she talked about forgiveness it was very deep. Her upbringing was skewed to begin with - the 60s free love, drugs, "anything goes" - so prevalent then and in the RocknRoll world, I don't think she even knew what was normal to begin with. Her mission seems to be to bring this hidden secret out and help others...even if her book & speaking out helps just one person be free.
It was nice to see Valerie come out and support her, she was geniunely surprised and very touched by her support. I think she is going public and doing it more for other (consentual) incest victims to get the help they need with their guilt/shame and I would think totally screwed up minds/lives.
LOL, Tammy, I know you're serious, but that was funny!!!
Deb... is that what they are calling it....consentual incest?!?!?
"It's always traumatic in the long run," Nagy adds, whether the incest begins when a child is six or 17. "It's child abuse, and there is no such thing as consensual sex with a child."
That's what she kept calling it, I guess she was distinguishing it from rape? I don't know. Either way, he's the gdamn parent, it's just sick.
She's out of her motherfuc- erm... fatherfucking - mind. Consensual incest? I think that (if this happened...) she was just so drugged up all the time that she didn't care. Now she's calling it that because it's a prettied up way to say "I was taken advantage of and did nothing about it".
Thats one way to express yourself,,,,,or you could simply tell us how you really feel
It's how I roll, Beesh.
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by larryfromnextdoor » Sat Sep 26, 2009 8:39 am
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