Did the discovery of cooking make us human?

[Behshad]

Medicine is for fags.

and pussies

[Ligzig]

Scientist used to claim the earth was flat but clergymen were burning women at the stake for being witches. Which offense is worse?

Completely agreed.

The difference is that science learns from it's mistakes and we continue to progress. We now know all about the universe and even more about this beautiful planet we reside on thanks to Science.

This is the funniest statement I've ever read! Don't get me wrong... Science HAS produced a lot of knowledge and benefits. There are many areas of science that are great that we learn from (Chemistry, biology, physics, etc...). The problem is that evolution is not science. It's a religion. It can't be replicated in a lab, or proved to be true. It's a hypothesis... a belief by most modern scientists. That doesn't make it a fact.

Exactly!! And how can we "know all" about a universe? No real scientist would EVER claim to know all.

I worded it wrong, sue me. My point was that thanks to science, we can now put some answers to age old questions. There is nothing wrong with learning and religion likes to stick to what the book tells them. If it were up to the book, the Grand Canyon would have been caused by the great flood and the world is only 6000 years old.

And what would be wrong with the great flood forming the Grand Canyon?

Nothing, if that's what you want to believe. Evidence suggests it is 17 million years old and reveals up to 2 billion years of the earth in it's layers. I am not confirming or denying anything, but I am going to go with the better theory. I understand if you want to be skeptical. Everyone has their own beliefs.

Do you also understand that a good portion of that river would have had to flow uphill to form it? There's a HUGE misconception about the layers of the earth and the geologic column. The geologic column exists nowhere but in text books. If you were trying to find out how old a fossil is and took it to the leading scientists, they'd ask you what layer of earth it came from. They date the fossils according to the "age" of the dirt, and date the earth based on what fossils they find in it. It's circular reasoning!

I know the next thing to be discussed will be carbon dating, but it's been proved wrong! On top of that, they base the entire formula on the fact that radiocarbon has always broke down at the same rate. Nobody KNOWS that it has always broken down at that rate for a fact. Nobody.

What about erosion? how has carbon dating been disproved? It only works on dead organic matter. After the organism dies, carbon-14 continues to decay without being replaced. To measure the amount of radiocarbon left in a artifact, scientists burn a small piece to convert it into carbon dioxide gas. Radiation counters are used to detect the electrons given off by decaying C-14 as it turns into nitrogen. The amount of C-14 is compared to the amount of C-12, the stable form of carbon, to determine how much radiocarbon has decayed, thereby dating the artifact. That doesn't sound like they assume it's breaking down at the same rate? Of course it's only estimates, but it gives some insight.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree.

[Michigan Girl]

Exactly! I mean the baked lays are definitely healthier than the other option. But still not healthy and you have to read portion sizes on the bag. Eating a whole bad of anything is never a good idea.

I'm eating a whole bag of miniature Robin Eggs right now and I'm in heaven ...so it's
a religious experience (rather than scientific)!!!

[Don]

Anyone trying the M&M style Almond Joy Pieces. It's great, and the bag is resealable to boot.

[StevePerryHair]

Exactly! I mean the baked lays are definitely healthier than the other option. But still not healthy and you have to read portion sizes on the bag. Eating a whole bad of anything is never a good idea.

I'm eating a whole bag of miniature Robin Eggs right now and I'm in heaven ...so it's
a religious experience (rather than scientific)!!!

Oh!!! The easter candy is out!! Thanks for reminding me I could kill over those russell stover cream eggs.. the ones filled with strawberry cream, and vanilla cream, and chocolate marshamallow bunnies!! Great! Now I'm gonna have to buy some

[Ehwmatt]

Anyone trying the M&M style Almond Joy Pieces. It's great, and the bag is resealable to boot.

I love Almond Joy... I'll have to look for these!

[steveo777]

Exactly! I mean the baked lays are definitely healthier than the other option. But still not healthy and you have to read portion sizes on the bag. Eating a whole bad of anything is never a good idea.

I'm eating a whole bag of miniature Robin Eggs right now and I'm in heaven ...so it's
a religious experience (rather than scientific)!!!

Not to be an ass or anything, but people who like the size of their asses don't do this...or maybe they do.

[Behshad]

Exactly! I mean the baked lays are definitely healthier than the other option. But still not healthy and you have to read portion sizes on the bag. Eating a whole bad of anything is never a good idea.

I'm eating a whole bag of miniature Robin Eggs right now and I'm in heaven ...so it's
a religious experience (rather than scientific)!!!

Not to be an ass or anything, but people who like the size of their asses don't do this...or maybe they do.

One can not help but wonder what your version wouldve been , had you chosen to be an ass !?

[steveo777]

Medicine is for fags.

Especially, for the love of strange

[stevew2]

Carl segan is a fag

So is the fact that your cat is a fag too the reason you named him Carl?

Let s leave my pussy out of it fat ass

[S2M]

To answer the original query, no...it wasn't cooking. 'Corticalization' of the brain is the answer...durrrr!!!!!

[steveo777]

Carl segan is a fag

So is the fact that your cat is a fag too the reason you named him Carl?

Let s leave my pussy out of it fat ass

Hey, buttface, mind posting a picture of after you evolved?

[stevew2]

[steveo777]

Born in 1936? Shit you're way older than me, Glen. Why do you use Stevew2 as a screen name?

[Arianddu]

This will be interesting... Can someone give me one definitive example of macro evolution? Just to clarify, macro is changing from one KIND of animal into another. On the other hand, there is micro evolution such as different varieties of dogs, plants, etc... Anyone?

I've never come across those terms, and your explaination of them is just not how evolution works. Living organisms differentiate, they don't morph from one 'kind' of thing into another 'kind' of thing; you have groups of related species, each one a bit different from the nearest related ones, and each one more likely to be a lot more different to the not-so-closely related ones. The differentiation of species over time is not linear and not morphic, it's based on what you could call family trees. Monkeys don't turn into humans and never will, but there is evidence that modern monkeys, apes and humans all had common ancestors. Apes and humans have more recent common ancestors; you have to go back further still to find our common ancestor with monkeys. We don't have 'new' humans coming from monkeys for the same reason your sixth cousin five times removed isn't going to give birth to a new you.

If you want examples of how one animal 'becomes' another, you only have to look at any group of related species. Finches and giant tortoises in the Galapagos are great examples - they were the trigger for Darwin's initial theory of evolution; a theory we've been refining and working on ever since.

Now, can I point at a population and say 'look, here is a baby whatchamacallit, see how it's head is bigger than it's mommy's head, that's because it's on its way to becoming a new species called a big-headed-whatchamacallit' then no, I can't, any more than you can sit and watch the Himalayas growing taller; they are, just not on a time scale you can be aware of. The time-scale for evolution operates over many multiple generations; you can't point at an individual, or even a population, and say 'here is the change'. It just doesn't work that way.

Give me one example of something giving birth to something different. According to you it has to be possible. There should be observable examples in life today. I'll wait for your answer. Also... scientists also used to claim that the Earth was flat.

Your child is different from you, that's the best you're going to get. That's the whole point, Jim - what you are asking for is not what evolutionary theory claims is happening. I just said exactly that in the post you replied to - go read it again! [1]

Scientists have NEVER claimed the world was flat. Total and utter bullshit. They've been saying it's round since the 4th century BC. Did you catch that one? Not too hidden in the obvious? Did you get that thinkers of the past, after observing the world around them, people we would today call scientists, came to the conclusion that the world was round for around two and a half thousand years.

Now, if you want to look at a group of people emphatically claiming that the sun must revolve around the earth, and arguing despite all evidence to the contrary that it is impossible for the opposite to be true, I'm afraid you're going to have to look to the Church, my friend. Even the medieval Church, however, accepted the earth was round.

See my comments to Behshad before about powering brain and cock at the same time, then take the 15 seconds or so you need to get rid of the erection before reading again, ok?

[Behshad]

Ari knows this cause she's been around for 2400 years to witness herself turning from a monkey into almost human being.

So all this takes TIME ,,, yet we can't witness anything at our time right now but if we stick around for few thousand years like Ari , then we also can witness what she has the past 5000 years.

Get real.

[Arianddu]

Yep, I have heard about mutations. Now can you give me an example of one of them that survived as long as it's parents and has branched off into something new that could produce it's own offspring that were just as healthy?

1. Anybody with blues eyes. Or green for that matter. Benign mutations that survive within our population with no adverse affect.

2. White mice with pink eyes. Every white mouse on the planet is decended from one single pair of albino mice, twin females from the same litter. We even know who the mice were; they were given to the Temple of Apollo in Delphi as it was believed they were a gift from the divine, and were kept there as sacred animals.

3. Carriers of sickle-cell anemia or thalassemia who live in areas where malaria is endemic. Both are recessive genes, both are fatal if you receive the gene from both parents, both, however, will confer immunity from malaria if you are a carrier, i.e. have the gene from only one parent.

Every single species on earth exists because of mutations that make them different. Not all mutations are harmful. Everything that makes you different from the man standing next to you comes from a mutation in one of your ancestors.

[Behshad]

Utter Bullshit indeed ^^^^^^ thar really proves that we come from the apes.

You know you won't convince any of us who don't believe in it. So what's your point, King Kong ?!

[Arianddu]

The problem is that evolution is not science. It's a religion.

Say what? What? Are you fucking kidding me?

It can't be replicated in a lab, or proved to be true.

So according to you, geology, physics, marine biology, meterology and astronomy are also religions? Can't replicate those in a lab.

It's a hypothesis... a belief by most modern scientists. That doesn't make it a fact.

Jim, pay attention here, I'm going to let you into a secret - all science is based on hypothesis. That's the whole point; a hypothesis is the best explaination we have right now to explain the things we currently know about something. You can't prove a hypothesis, you can only disprove it, and when you do disprove it, you re-write the hypothesis so that it now accounts for the thing that disproved the last hypothesis.

Belief assumes that what you believe in is always going to be right. Science doesn't think that way, it says 'this is what we currently think. When we find out some more, we'll change what we currently think to accomodate that new information.'

[JasonD]

My doctor gave me some sleepy meds. I really don't have the energy to read all 5 pages of this...... & yet, I'm oddly intrigued. Does anybody care to gimme the quickie version of what's going on with those epic posts between Behshad & Parfait somewhere around page 3 ? If not.... no biggie, but I will cut you out of my will.

[Ehwmatt]

My doctor gave me some sleepy meds. I really don't have the energy to read all 5 pages of this...... & yet, I'm oddly intrigued. Does anybody care to gimme the quickie version of what's going on with those epic posts between Behshad & Parfait somewhere around page 3 ? If not.... no biggie, but I will cut you out of my will.

B teabagged parfait and then peed in his eye

BTW, why are you always sick?

[Behshad]

Great example Ari beween sceince and beleiefs.

You aren't a scientist , hence the crap you believe in is just YOUR BELIEF !


And the same hypothesis of earth being flat was a belief of common people till it was proven wrong.

[JasonD]

My doctor gave me some sleepy meds. I really don't have the energy to read all 5 pages of this...... & yet, I'm oddly intrigued. Does anybody care to gimme the quickie version of what's going on with those epic posts between Behshad & Parfait somewhere around page 3 ? If not.... no biggie, but I will cut you out of my will.

B teabagged parfait and then peed in his eye

BTW, why are you always sick?

Because it's winter & my work uniform is ... um..... skin.

[Saint John]

My doctor gave me some sleepy meds. I really don't have the energy to read all 5 pages of this...... & yet, I'm oddly intrigued. Does anybody care to gimme the quickie version of what's going on with those epic posts between Behshad & Parfait somewhere around page 3 ? If not.... no biggie, but I will cut you out of my will.

B teabagged parfait and then peed in his eye

BTW, why are you always sick?

Because it's winter & my work uniform is ... um..... skin.

March is National Colorectal Cancer Month. You should really go and have your asshole checked out, dude. No telling what type of damage has been incurred. Hell, with your lifestyle, you wouldn't even be able to properly diagnose why there's blood in your stool. "Hmm ... is this potentially colorectal cancer or a consequence of Luther stabbing my kidneys with his 14" mandingo sword?"

[Ehwmatt]

My doctor gave me some sleepy meds. I really don't have the energy to read all 5 pages of this...... & yet, I'm oddly intrigued. Does anybody care to gimme the quickie version of what's going on with those epic posts between Behshad & Parfait somewhere around page 3 ? If not.... no biggie, but I will cut you out of my will.

B teabagged parfait and then peed in his eye

BTW, why are you always sick?

Because it's winter & my work uniform is ... um..... skin.

March is National Colorectal Cancer Month. You should really go and have your asshole checked out, dude. No telling what type of damage has been incurred. Hell, with your lifestyle, you wouldn't even be able to properly diagnose why there's blood in your stool. "Hmm ... is this potentially colorectal cancer or a consequence of Luther stabbing my kidneys with his 14" mandingo sword?"

I just shit my pants

[Behshad]

My doctor gave me some sleepy meds. I really don't have the energy to read all 5 pages of this...... & yet, I'm oddly intrigued. Does anybody care to gimme the quickie version of what's going on with those epic posts between Behshad & Parfait somewhere around page 3 ? If not.... no biggie, but I will cut you out of my will.

B teabagged parfait and then peed in his eye

BTW, why are you always sick?

Because it's winter & my work uniform is ... um..... skin.

March is National Colorectal Cancer Month. You should really go and have your asshole checked out, dude. No telling what type of damage has been incurred. Hell, with your lifestyle, you wouldn't even be able to properly diagnose why there's blood in your stool. "Hmm ... is this potentially colorectal cancer or a consequence of Luther stabbing my kidneys with his 14" mandingo sword?"

Talk about evolution !!

[Arianddu]

Ari knows this cause she's been around for 2400 years to witness herself turning from a monkey into almost human being.

So all this takes TIME ,,, yet we can't witness anything at our time right now but if we stick around for few thousand years like Ari , then we also can witness what she has the past 5000 years.

Get real.

I'll respond with a question, B - how do you know the Bible is right? Were you there when it was written? How do you know God really gave those commandments directly to Moses? You believe, you don't know. But there is a hell of a lot of history out there that says the Bible, in terms of history, is a distorted document at best.

So tell me, why is a human-written document, created over 4,000 years (give or take a century or two), passed down by word of mouth for large chunks of its existance, created by people who lived radically different lives from our own, from a position of ignorance about how the world around us works, translated and reinterpreted by more human beings, every single one of them fallable - why is this book so much more likely to be right than the collective learning of thousands of people since its final incarnation as the New and Old Testaments?

I'm not the one being closed minded or irrational here. I accept there is room for God in this Universe, I just don't personally believe in such a God (nor do I especially disbelieve; I see nothing that convinces me either way.) I'm not the one saying 'it has to be this way, it can't be that way.' But I'm also saying - if you are going to argue against evolution, you need to make sure you actually understand what it is. You and Jim very obviously have the wrong end of the stick there; I've tried to explain why your understanding of evolution is wrong, and you've both totally ignored everything I've said and responded that evolution is wrong wrong wrong lalalala can't hear you.

What you believe is up to you, I have no argument with it. I will argue when you are making claims based on inaccuracies and misinformation.

[Behshad]

Simple answer. I never said I believe in the bible or any other religous books

A book is a book. I never claimed that bible , a book was originally a toaster. And we won't see any other toasters turn into a book right Now cause it takes 2200 years for a toaster to develop into a bible.

[Arianddu]

Utter Bullshit indeed ^^^^^^ thar really proves that we come from the apes.

You know you won't convince any of us who don't believe in it. So what's your point, King Kong ?!

I know I won't convince you, B, but I also don't have to sit by and see bullshit being proclaimed as reasoned, logical, informed argument without crying foul.

Here's the secret, babe - I don't have to convince you. What you believe, what I believe, is ultimately irrelevent. What is important is that scientific debate not be shut down because religious beliefs do not agree with what science currently thinks. If we let that happen, we'd still say the sun, stars and planets go around the earth, we'd still have no knowledge of human anatomy, no surgery and extremely primitive medicine, we'd still be living in a primitive society.

Fortunately, we live in a world where people are able to have different beliefs and different ideas.

[JasonD]

Behshad, do you believe in Jesus?