Should Penn State remove Paterno's statue?

[slucero]

ouch...

• A $60 million fine - with the money going to an endowment to benefit the welfare of children.
  
• 4 year ban on postseason play, including the Big Ten championship game, bowls or the playoffs coming in 2014.
  
• Scholarships reduced from 25 to 15 a year for the next four years.
  
• The vacating of all victories from 1998-2011 - This stips Paterno of his title as the winningest coach in college football history.
  
• Players (entering or returning) are free to transfer without restriction, or can maintain their scholarship at Penn State and choose not to play.
  
• 5 year probationary period and the hiring of an academic monitor of the NCAA's choosing.
  
• NCAA reserves the right to impose sanctions on individuals after criminal investigation is complete.
  

g'bye Penn State football, I'd say for at least a decade... and g-bye JoePa's legacy.... likely forever..


The last one IMHO is the one that Penn State officials are likely more worried about now...

[Liam]

OnionSports SPORTSWIRE: Penn State To Also Remove Statue Of Showering Sandusky

[RPM]

Red13JoePa
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What the fuck would the NCAA have to say about this? Statue will come down over my dead rotting corpse, too.

Death penalty my ass. Show me the first shred of evidence Joe did, said, thought, acted, moved ANY way but what we KNOW is true. An email, a voice recording, a transcript, a text, a phone record, etc, OF and FROM him and THEN I will judge accordingly. Till then, fuck off.

[Journey Mom]

I realize I'm opening myself up to getting slammed for my stupidity, but can someone explain to me how taking away their wins for all those years would be punitive? It seems to me that the only one that would be effected is Joe Paterno, and he's really not in a position to care about that any more.

[steveo777]

I realize I'm opening myself up to getting slammed for my stupidity, but can someone explain to me how taking away their wins for all those years would be punitive? It seems to me that the only one that would be effected is Joe Paterno, and he's really not in a position to care about that any more.

I know. Last time I checked he was still dead and Sandusky is doing sphincter exercises in preparation for his prison stint.

They are sending a strong message to them that these things cannot and will not be tolerated ever again and the consequences are being handed down to reinforce this.

[Journey Mom]

I'm glad that they're making it clear that this kind of shit will never be tolerated again, but how does taking away their wins do it? So they have 111 fewer wins on their record - big deal. I guess I'm wondering what good it will accomplish by doing it.

[slucero]

I'm glad that they're making it clear that this kind of shit will never be tolerated again, but how does taking away their wins do it? So they have 111 fewer wins on their record - big deal. I guess I'm wondering what good it will accomplish by doing it.

Paterno "was" the winningest head coach in college football history... taking away 111 wins takes away that accomplishment.. quite possibly his greatest, and removes him from the record books... forever... and now that he's "dead"... he has no opportunity to remedy that..

to Penn State fans ... that's a big deal.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Penn State fans aren't the ones guity of any wrong doing. That's why taking away past wins is lame.

[Journey Mom]

Here's an article CNN just posted about it.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2012/07/23/do ... ?hpt=hp_c1

[Journey/Survivor]

Penn State fans aren't the ones guity of any wrong doing. That's why taking away past wins is lame.

Ohio State had their 2010 wins taken away over tattoos. I repeat, tattoos.

[Liam]

Why are people so fucking worried about his "LEGACY"??? LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE, PLEASE. HE HELPED YOUNG KIDS GET RAPED FOR YEARS. And I hope he burns in Hell.

[Don]

Bowden had been running neck in neck with Paterno for most wins until the NCAA took a complete season away from FSU.

[slucero]

Penn State fans aren't the ones guity of any wrong doing. That's why taking away past wins is lame.

taking away the wins was to punish Paterno AND the school... to remove him from the record books, because his inaction, and the Penn State Administrations culture of "turning a cheek" to what Sandusky was doing flew in the face of everything the school AND Paterno he supposedly stood for.. and those wins came as a byproduct of them willfully looking the other way.

The "football first, win at all costs, preserve the image" culture is what the NCAA wants changed.. and simply slapping their hands isn't gonna do that..

[Red13JoePa]

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What the fuck would the NCAA have to say about this? Statue will come down over my dead rotting corpse, too.

Death penalty my ass. Show me the first shred of evidence Joe did, said, thought, acted, moved ANY way but what we KNOW is true. An email, a voice recording, a transcript, a text, a phone record, etc, OF and FROM him and THEN I will judge accordingly. Till then, fuck off.

No I don't.
Every day that goes by the school is less radioactive. Win 9-10 games this season with a junior and senior-laden roster, things will get better. Bill O'Brien came into this with eyes wide open. True, he probably didn't expect the university president to lie down like a dog to the NCAA and accept this travesty of sanctions but they'll be fine and by the time they're bowl eligible again there will be a 4-team playoff in place.
Call my cell phone if you want to figure it out further.
Schools had better beat Penn State now.
Only thing I'da done were I PSU would have been to not accept a single NCAA sanction and dared them to take their best shot. They've let the media, driven by ESPN dictate their every move to this point and it's gotten them NOwhere.

[ebake02]

Stewart Mandel isn't a big fan of the NCAA's ruling and he makes some good points is his piece.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/w ... index.html

But while Penn State may be the most extreme and horrific scandal we've seen in terms of its human tragedy and consequences, let's not be naïve. Athletics regularly trump academics at campuses across the country, and NCAA rules are regularly violated because of them. Never before has the NCAA's image-conscious president felt the need to personally intervene. But of course, none of those other scandals made NBC Nightly News for a week.

And so, Emmert made sure his organization responded accordingly -- even if that meant revoking the traditional due process afforded every other school that's ever been punished by the NCAA; invoking a nebulous, generalized bylaw about promoting integrity that could easily apply to hundreds of lawbreaking players, coaches and staffers across the country every year; and creating a precedent for dictatorial-like intervention that must now be considered every time a scandal of any proportion arises in college athletics.

But there will undoubtedly be another high-profile college scandal, involving yet another unthinkable scenario, whether it's three months from now or three years from now. And the precedent has now been set. Will Emmert send that program back to the stone ages, too? Or was this a one-time-only, made-for-TV display of power?

Monday's one truly punitive action against one of the figures implicated in the Freeh Report was vacating Penn State's victories from 1998-2011, thus stripping Paterno of 111 wins and demoting him from the sport's alltime leader to 12th place. It seems fair and just, but here again, the NCAA seemingly rewrote its rulebook on the fly. Traditionally victories are vacated when schools are found to have used ineligible players. Nothing of the sort happened here.

But of course, that didn't fit Emmert's message.

Remember when most college football fans assumed Auburn and/or Cam Newton would endure some sort of penalty when the quarterback's father openly solicited six figures from Mississippi State? The NCAA couldn't do anything, Emmert insisted, because there was no rule on the books addressing that specific scenario. We'd best not hear that excuse again.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Elsewhere there are nearly a dozen boys who have to live with for the rest of their lives the memory of being molested by and then having it covered up by a hand full of Penn State's finest.

It's so nice to see that some people look away and continue on with thier game face for the game.

[Liam]

LMMFAO

http://www.theonion.com/articles/sandus ... kle,28865/

[slucero]

Looks like Penn State got off easy....

[The Sushi Hunter]

Looks like Penn State got off easy....

Happy Valley would have been fucked if a 4 year death penalty had been imposed. You are right, they negotiated this and got off easy by comparison. The Penn St cult can now have Saturday afternoon football while they pretend all is swell and they continue to blame everyone but the real culprits..

Yeah, pathetic how some individuals do that without giving it a second thought.

[slucero]

Ruh-roh....

Penn State insurer seeks to deny coverage
http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/25/us/pennsy ... ?hpt=hp_t3

(CNN) -- Penn State's legal battles continued Wednesday with the university's primary general liability insurer filing a motion claiming coverage should be denied because the administration failed to disclose what it knew about former coach Jerry Sandusky's behavior, according to legal documents.

The motion, filed in common pleas court by the Pennsylvania Manufacturer's Association, says Penn State did not provide it with information relevant to the insurable risk the association assumed. The association has already sued Penn State over the coverage of one of Sandusky's victims' claims against the university, filed in November 2011.

The association has insured Penn State under general liability policies since 1976.

"It would be unlawful and contradictory to public policy to require PMA to provide coverage to PSU under any policy issued to PSU after May 1998 with respect to PSU's concealment of Sandusky's sexually abusive conduct ... and failure to take appropriate action to prevent Sandusky from molesting minors," the motion read.

[Don]

It starts.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... victim-sue

Wouldn't be surprised to eventually see a class action suit again the School, Spanier, Sandusky, Paterno's estate and others.

[slucero]

No liability insurance = no football.... or sports.... or school.....

[ebake02]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a few sickos out there try to claims themselves as victims to get easy money from the school.

[The Sushi Hunter]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a few sickos out there try to claims themselves as victims to get easy money from the school.

True but wouldn't the victims have to have been part of the first trial already in order to get something out of it? The first trial is now all said and done. It's not that simple to just go through that entire process all over again with a different victim, or is it?

[Don]

I wouldn't be surprised to see a few sickos out there try to claims themselves as victims to get easy money from the school.

True but wouldn't the victims have to have been part of the first trial already in order to get something out of it? The first trial is now all said and done. It's not that simple to just go through that entire process all over again with a different victim, or is it?

Sandusky's trial was a criminal matter and the victims that appeared were merely witnesses. This is totally different.

[slucero]

this thing just gets more sinister by the day...

[The Sushi Hunter]

WEB EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW: Victim Claims Sandusky Sex Scandal Connected to Philadelphia Pedophile Network

July 22, 2012 AFP

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=5116

Yeah but didn't someone already mention this possibility back when this entire story first broke? I remember someone pointing out that there was evidence of a large pediphile network in connection to the Sandusky issue at Penn. Specifically what was mentioned was Sandusky was taking part in supplying kids to generous donors and dignataries of the school, or to that effect.

[Michigan Girl]

I'm still up in the air about this.
I still don't blame Joe ...I am so, so
sorry for the children #1, sorry for what it's done
to the students and PSU itself, but I don't blame Joe.

[Don]

Penn State makes uniform changes

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... ll-jerseys

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. -- Players' names are being added to Penn State's football jerseys for the coming season, the university announced Tuesday, along with blue ribbons to show support for victims of child abuse.

The team's generic look -- blue-and-white, no names on jerseys -- has long been a trademark and was associated with the buttoned-down style of former coach Joe Paterno, who was fired last year after his former assistant Jerry Sandusky was arrested on child molestation charges.

School officials said adding the names was a way to recognize the "resolve and dedication" of the players, as the team faces a four-year bowl ban and loss of scholarships under the severe penalties handed down by the NCAA last month over the school's handling of the Sandusky scandal.

The changes will take effect with the Sept. 1 season opener at home against Ohio University.

"We want our fans to know and recognize these young men," said coach Bill O'Brien, who was hired after last season. "They have stuck together during tough times, and I commend them for the leadership they have shown."

Fran Fisher, a longtime Penn State radio announcer, said the jersey changes may ruffle some feathers among former players, and the vanilla uniforms will continue to be associated with Paterno.

"I think Coach O'Brien has a right to do whatever he wants to do to have an identity for his team," Fisher said. "I think that the plainness of the Paterno era will be remembered because he considered it to be a team sport."

Sandusky, 68, awaits sentencing on 45 criminal counts, probably next month, and is likely to spend the rest of his life in state prison.

Paterno died of lung cancer in January, and a university-commissioned investigation of the Sandusky scandal concluded he and other top Penn State officials concealed allegations against Sandusky going back to 1998.

The NCAA also stripped the school and Paterno of more than 100 wins, dropping him from atop the list of the winningest coaches in major college football history.

While the Penn State football program tries to move forward, another appeal of NCAA sanctions emerged on Tuesday.

On Monday it was revealed that a number of members of Penn State's board of trustees appealed the sanctions, which include a $60 million fine, a four-year bowl ban and the vacating of wins from 1998 to 2011.

The latest appeal comes from former players Michael Robinson, Anwar Phillips, Josh Gaines, Shamar Finney, Richard Gardner, Gerald Cadogan, Anthony Adams, Justin Kurpeikis, and coach William Kenney. Attorney Paul Kelly said in a statement Tuesday that the group represents players and coaches associated with the program from 1998 to 2001.

[Don]

Ohio U gets it first win ever over Penn State, capped off by a 4th quarter 90 yard TD drive on the Nittany Lion's own field.

That extends Penn State's losing streak to 115 games.