27 People Dead, Mostly Children, at Connecticut Elementary

[Memorex]

My first gut reaction was to scream for tighter gun control but I can't help but wonder how this tragedy would have played out if someone on that school staff was packing heat. I realize now that our current laws did their job and ultimately blame must fall on this kid's mother. She knew he was mentally unstable yet she still kept her guns within easy reach of this kid and didn't get him the help he needed. I found this article and it highlights what seems to be a lack of conversation of how to deal with those who are mentally unstable and protect themselves and others from violent outbursts.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 11009.html

That being said, I support the second amendment 100% and the only gun control I would support is the reinstatement of the federal assault weapons ban. I would like to trust parents to keep weapons locked away from their mentally unstable child but if they can't then I would support the authorities going in and taking those weapons out of the house.

Further - they should be locked away from anyone other than the owner and brought into the open only by the owner, whether for a sane person or not. I've learned it really takes very little for a person to go from sane to insane in the heat of the moment and easy access to someone's firearms should never be possible.

[DavidWT]

Watching Obama at the memorial... starting the campaign for more gun control...

what a motherfucker.

Yeah, God forbid the country should actually make some attempt to get the situation under control. We should wait until there are at least ten more massacres before doing anything... let's not be hasty about this!

But aside from the obvious need for better gun control, we also need to consider something else: Why is it that these kinds of crimes are almost always carried out by males? Could it possibly be related to the fact that when girls are little, they're handed dolls and taught to take care of them and to value life, whereas little boys are often handed toy guns and violent video games and other toys that put more emphasis on destruction than on caring? Some parents seem to be so afraid of their little boys becoming "fags" that they end up doing far more harm than good. When I was about three years old, I had a toy shopping cart, which I'd take with me when I went to the supermarket with my mother. The woman who lived next door to us told my mother, "I would NEVER let my son have a toy shopping cart! That's for girls!" Um, what? Guys don't need to buy food? The funny thing is, her husband actually did all of the food shopping in her family. Anyway, despite having a toy shopping cart, I grew up to be 100% straight. Shocking, I know.
Also, little boys are often taught to suppress their emotions. "Don't cry... be a man about it!" Girls, meanwhile, are allowed to let their feelings out in a healthy way.
We really need to think about how we're raising boys. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching a boy to be nurturing and caring, or allowing a boy to cry or express sadness about things.
Obviously, I'm not saying that all boys who play with toy guns or other violent toys will grow up to commit horrible crimes, but there has to be a correlation between how many boys are raised and the fact that it's almost always males who commit these crimes.

[Memorex]

Watching Obama at the memorial... starting the campaign for more gun control...

what a motherfucker.

Yeah, God forbid the country should actually make some attempt to get the situation under control. We should wait until there are at least ten more massacres before doing anything... let's not be hasty about this!

But aside from the obvious need for better gun control, we also need to consider something else: Why is it that these kinds of crimes are almost always carried out by males? Could it possibly be related to the fact that when girls are little, they're handed dolls and taught to take care of them and to value life, whereas little boys are often handed toy guns and violent video games and other toys that put more emphasis on destruction than on caring? Some parents seem to be so afraid of their little boys becoming "fags" that they end up doing far more harm than good. When I was about three years old, I had a toy shopping cart, which I'd take with me when I went to the supermarket with my mother. The woman who lived next door to us told my mother, "I would NEVER let my son have a toy shopping cart! That's for girls!" Um, what? Guys don't need to buy food? The funny thing is, her husband actually did all of the food shopping in her family. Anyway, despite having a toy shopping cart, I grew up to be 100% straight. Shocking, I know.
Also, little boys are often taught to suppress their emotions. "Don't cry... be a man about it!" Girls, meanwhile, are allowed to let their feelings out in a healthy way.
We really need to think about how we're raising boys. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching a boy to be nurturing and caring, or allowing a boy to cry or express sadness about things.
Obviously, [url]I'm not saying that all boys who play with toy guns or other violent toys will grow up to commit horrible crimes[/url], but there has to be a correlation between how many boys are raised and the fact that it's almost always males who commit these crimes.

As a matter of fact, nearly no male that plays with guns commits crimes like this. The fact that males are usually the criminals in these acts is obvious. And most people that kill their own children are female. Is that because they could rip the heads off their dolls when they were little?

I think there is a desensitization to violence, for sure. And I think at the domestic abuse level it has a serious affect. But crimes like this have zero to do with how you play as a kid. That's just silly. As the AP reported over the last day or so, mass killings are actually down. One is too many, but there are actually fewer now. Doesn't seem like it, but those are the facts.

The kid was mentally unstable. Period. That's the issue.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Friday afternoon on my drive home from work, I was listening to the radio and they played a snippet of Obama addressing the shooting. The clip they played was him saying “Republicans and Democrats need to come together”. I don’t know about you but I’m getting fucking fed up with this motherfucker turning this into a political stump. He could have just said “people need to come together”.

Since I was at work all day on Friday and didn’t really get a chance to hear what was going on in regards to the shooting, getting home I turned on the news, yeah first mistake I should have known better. The news stations had on a full hour special report with all the bells and whistles. They were able to give all the facts within the first 2 to 3 minutes of the broadcast. I watched it for maybe another 5 minutes and then shut it off because I don’t think showing the reaction to parents being told their kids are shot and killed is news material. Maybe it’s just me, but that pissed me off just as much as hearing about the shooting in the first god damn place.

Now how much profit are magazines such as People going to make printing the dead kid’s pix on the front covers? To the media this is a money making event. And they make money because of the numbers of people who will actually go out and buy such magazines, if they don’t already have subscriptions to the fucking shit. Maybe it’s just me but it really seems that the media has really glorified this shooting. Now anyone and everyone who wants to go out with a huge bang will see from how the media is addressing it as a way to have their name get out to all corners of the world.

Lastly, Obama is talking about how “this needs to stop”. So how’s he planning to do this? I was in Tokyo in 2008. I was shopping for a special cable for my movie camera and happened to leave the very spot 45 minutes before this incident below happened. I had been there for at least an hour looking for the cable in various stores in this location. Everyone was telling me about it when I got home about an hour later by train. This guy did this without using a single firearm of any type. The weapons he used were a vehicle and a knife. Killed 7 and injured many more.

Take note: The police were able to completely stop him from harming and/or killing anyone else as soon as they pulled out their gun on him.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/06/ ... 2620080608

[slucero]

Watching Obama at the memorial... starting the campaign for more gun control...

what a motherfucker.

Yeah, God forbid the country should actually make some attempt to get the situation under control. We should wait until there are at least ten more massacres before doing anything... let's not be hasty about this!

But aside from the obvious need for better gun control, we also need to consider something else: Why is it that these kinds of crimes are almost always carried out by males? Could it possibly be related to the fact that when girls are little, they're handed dolls and taught to take care of them and to value life, whereas little boys are often handed toy guns and violent video games and other toys that put more emphasis on destruction than on caring? Some parents seem to be so afraid of their little boys becoming "fags" that they end up doing far more harm than good. When I was about three years old, I had a toy shopping cart, which I'd take with me when I went to the supermarket with my mother. The woman who lived next door to us told my mother, "I would NEVER let my son have a toy shopping cart! That's for girls!" Um, what? Guys don't need to buy food? The funny thing is, her husband actually did all of the food shopping in her family. Anyway, despite having a toy shopping cart, I grew up to be 100% straight. Shocking, I know.
Also, little boys are often taught to suppress their emotions. "Don't cry... be a man about it!" Girls, meanwhile, are allowed to let their feelings out in a healthy way.
We really need to think about how we're raising boys. There is absolutely nothing wrong with teaching a boy to be nurturing and caring, or allowing a boy to cry or express sadness about things.
Obviously, I'm not saying that all boys who play with toy guns or other violent toys will grow up to commit horrible crimes, but there has to be a correlation between how many boys are raised and the fact that it's almost always males who commit these crimes.

Quoting myself (from 2 posts above the post you quoted)

The laws in place actually did prevent the shooter from buying a gun, and I think when all the facts are known, it will be obvious that more gun control would not have prevented this.

What will be realized as the likely cause will a parent who:

• Knew her child had a mental disorder that made him able to not "feel physical or emotional pain in the same way as classmates", as said by his high school adviser. Read more here: [url]http://www.adn.com/2012/12/15/2725115/teacher-says-gunman-was-loner.html#storylink=cpy#storylink=cpy[/url]
  
• Did not secure her guns from her mentally deficient child (or anyone else)

A gun owners responsibility for the security of their weapons does not end when they aren't using them, and if anyone had easy access to the weapons, then IMHO the bulk of the blame lies with her.

IMHO the real issue here is personal responsibility, which the mother ignored.

Something else you should consider, before joining the "more gun control" hysteria is the following:

...buried inside the NYT biopic of Newtown shooter Adam Lanza was arguably one of the most important missing pieces in the story, at least so far, which could provide clues into partially explaining yesterday's tragic loss of young life, namely that the 20 year old man suffered from Asperger Syndrome, a high-functioning form of autism (two conditions which are being merged in the upcoming update of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-5) manual of mental disorders), which has been traditionally associated with social communication difficulties, including flat affect, and one which in some clinical studies has been shown to have a causal link to violence. In other words, in addition to the surge in the debate over national gun control and access limitations (ignoring that the perpetrator of the biggest school mass murder in US history - the Bath School disaster - used openly purchased dynamite and no guns, also ignoring that in the US there are roughly 300 million firearms), perhaps there should also be a broad discussion as to the risks of social misadoption of children with autism and other social and behavioral disorders.

And while much needed insight into the shooter's abnormal mental state is critical before passing judgment, the reality is that Lanza - who may well have been mentally disturbed - should certainly not have had access to the arsenal of weapons he ultimately used in perpetrating yesterday's tragedy. The much debated question, of course, that is already emerging is whose responsibility is it to limit such access: that of the individual, that of the closest family members, or that of the state, and if it is the latter, then the question becomes one of practical enforceability in a country where the second amendment is deeply engrained in the popular psychology, and where there are nearly as many guns as people.

Very many of the mass shooters in the last two decades have a history of antidepressant use. If we want to stop mass shootings, maybe we should look at that.

simply put .. had the guns been locked up. Lanza would not have had access.. He still would have snapped.. but instead of guns he would have used a car, or a knife, or a hammer...

Before you lay blame on society (for a lack of gun controls), how's about we blame the mother, for not protecting her son from his own illness.

[conversationpc]

What these parasites are doing is appalling, but not as appalling as the media giving them free publicity. Publicity is the reason they do what they do so if the media would stop giving them a soapbox and announcing their picketing plans then maybe they'll go away.

That wouldn't work with these folks. They'd keep doing it even if the only ones who knew about it were the folks at the funeral. They're just that sick.

Here's a link to a great article on the struggles of parents with out-of-control children. I really feel for this lady as we've gone through some of the same things with our special-needs daughter, though not to the extent she describes here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/1 ... 11009.html

[FinnFreak]

A gun owners responsibility for the security of their weapons does not end when they aren't using them, and if anyone had easy access to the weapons, then IMHO the bulk of the blame lies with her.

IMHO the real issue here is personal responsibility, which the mother ignored.

My view exactly. Keep 'em for your OWN use. Under lock & key.


John -

[jaxmanjoe]

Is this MelodicRock or 'We fucking love guns?' You've got to be some kind of asshole to act surprised when gun control becomes a topic when 20 elementary school kids are gunned down with an assault weapon. The 2nd Amendment, or Musket Amendment as I like to call it, is out-dated and definitely outgunned.

We don't allow nuclear weapons to be kept by citizens, so there ARE common sense limits to what we call arms. Anyone who says he/she needs a fucking assault rifle to protect themselves is NOT of sound mind and shouldn't be in the discussion. People who are paranoid to begin with thinking they need guns is exactly who you DON'T want to have them in the first place. Wanting to own a gun in this country is a sign of mental illness and/or mental retardation.

FUCK YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A MILITARY GRADE ASSAULT WEAPON. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. And fuck your mother to, who should have raised you better.

Thanks,

Joe

[Liam]

So....me owning a '45 and a '33 makes me mentally fucked?

[FinnFreak]

I don't own a gun - and don't intend to get one.

One day, I might inherit a hunting rifle. Might even pick up hunting as a hobby. Don't know.

BUT: I KNOW I DO NOT NEED A GUN FOR PROTECTION.

That's NOT why we have guns over here for.


John -

[steveo777]

Is this MelodicRock or 'We fucking love guns?' You've got to be some kind of asshole to act surprised when gun control becomes a topic when 20 elementary school kids are gunned down with an assault weapon. The 2nd Amendment, or Musket Amendment as I like to call it, is out-dated and definitely outgunned.

We don't allow nuclear weapons to be kept by citizens, so there ARE common sense limits to what we call arms. Anyone who says he/she needs a fucking assault rifle to protect themselves is NOT of sound mind and shouldn't be in the discussion. People who are paranoid to begin with thinking they need guns is exactly who you DON'T want to have them in the first place. Wanting to own a gun in this country is a sign of mental illness and/or mental retardation.FUCK YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A MILITARY GRADE ASSAULT WEAPON. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. And fuck your mother to, who should have raised you better.

Thanks,

Joe

You are out of line. Please keep my mother out of your rants!

[FinnFreak]

"No one leaves you
When you live in their heart and mind
And no one dies
They just move to the other side"


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syXKicKW9pI


John -

[The Sushi Hunter]

I was in Tokyo in 2008. I was shopping for a special cable for my movie camera and happened to leave the very spot 45 minutes before this incident below happened. I had been there for at least an hour looking for the cable in various stores in this location. Everyone was telling me about it when I got home about an hour later by train. This guy did this without using a single firearm of any type. The weapons he used were a vehicle and a knife. Killed 7 and injured many more.

Take note: The police were able to completely stop him from harming and/or killing anyone else as soon as they pulled out their gun on him.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/06/ ... 2620080608

[RPM]

[quote="jaxmanjoe"]Is this MelodicRock or 'We fucking love guns?' You've got to be some kind of asshole to act surprised when gun control becomes a topic when 20 elementary school kids are gunned down with an assault weapon. The 2nd Amendment, or Musket Amendment as I like to call it, is out-dated and definitely outgunned.

We don't allow nuclear weapons to be kept by citizens, so there ARE common sense limits to what we call arms. Anyone who says he/she needs a fucking assault rifle to protect themselves is NOT of sound mind and shouldn't be in the discussion. People who are paranoid to begin with thinking they need guns is exactly who you DON'T want to have them in the first place. Wanting to own a gun in this country is a sign of mental illness and/or mental retardation.

FUCK YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A MILITARY GRADE ASSAULT WEAPON. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. And fuck your mother to, who should have raised you better.

Thanks,

Joe[/quote

First of all the weapon used was not "military grade" if that was the case it would have been a fully
automatic capable weapon, it is a civilian version, requiring a pull for every shot. in this case a Glock
with multiple 30 round clips could be just as devasting as this Rifle, if you want to debate why people
need 30 round clips for self defense that would make more sense than your ridiculous nuclear comment..
but as others have said, The mother (who paid with her life) was well aware of her troubled son, and I know
its hard for a mother to imagine a son doing something Evil, but to have those guns where he could have
access to them is the heart of this tragedy.

[slucero]

Is this MelodicRock or 'We fucking love guns?' You've got to be some kind of asshole to act surprised when gun control becomes a topic when 20 elementary school kids are gunned down with an assault weapon. The 2nd Amendment, or Musket Amendment as I like to call it, is out-dated and definitely outgunned.

We don't allow nuclear weapons to be kept by citizens, so there ARE common sense limits to what we call arms. Anyone who says he/she needs a fucking assault rifle to protect themselves is NOT of sound mind and shouldn't be in the discussion. People who are paranoid to begin with thinking they need guns is exactly who you DON'T want to have them in the first place. Wanting to own a gun in this country is a sign of mental illness and/or mental retardation.

FUCK YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A MILITARY GRADE ASSAULT WEAPON. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. And fuck your mother to, who should have raised you better.

Thanks,

Joe

Spoken like a hysterical paranoid asshole....


some definitions you should learn before you open you mouth again and make yourself look even more stupid.


ASSAULT WEAPON: An assault weapon is any of various semi-automatic firearms using an intermediate cartridge.
This means "one round fired per trigger pull"

Here's some examples of semi-auto firearms.

GLOCK 10mm


SIGSAUR 9mm


BUSHMASTER AR10



ASSAULT RIFLE: An assault rifle is a select-fire (either fully automatic or burst capable) rifle that uses an intermediate cartridge and a detachable magazine. It is not to be confused with assault weapons.[1] Assault rifles are the standard service rifles in most modern armies.

Civilians can't own assault rifles, as this is the definition only used for military rifles


INTERMEDIATE CARTRIDGE: The first intermediate cartridge to see widespread service was the German 7.92x33mm Kurz.[1] Other examples include the Soviet 7.62x39mm used in the AK-47 and AKM series, and the .280 British round developed for the EM-2. The 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge is also an intermediate cartridge.

SEMI-AUTOMATIC: a weapon that performs all steps necessary to prepare the weapon to fire again after firing—assuming cartridges remain in the weapon's feed device or magazine. Typically, this includes extracting and ejecting the spent cartridge case from the weapon's firing chamber, re-cocking the firing mechanism, and loading a new cartridge into the firing chamber. Although automatic weapons and selective fire firearms do the same tasks, semi-automatic firearms do not automatically fire an additional round until the trigger is released and re-pressed by the person firing the weapon.


So all the guns Lanza STOLE were semi-auto..... the pistols and the rifle. One round fired per one trigger pull. The only limiting factor was the capacity of the magazines he was using, and how fast he could pull the trigger.



When you feel you can discuss this like an adult.... and not a hysterical paranoid asshole... feel free to return.

[The Sushi Hunter]

What type of weapons were exactly involved in the Fast and Furious operation and what are the odds any of those will happen to reenter the US illigally and turn up used in crimes on American soil? Can the AR-15 be modified to be full auto? I've got a friend in Texas who's got one but haven't asked him about that question yet. He loves that gun but says the additional high velocity clip that some people get is best used as a paper weight since it jams all the time.

[Memorex]

Is this MelodicRock or 'We fucking love guns?' You've got to be some kind of asshole to act surprised when gun control becomes a topic when 20 elementary school kids are gunned down with an assault weapon. The 2nd Amendment, or Musket Amendment as I like to call it, is out-dated and definitely outgunned.

We don't allow nuclear weapons to be kept by citizens, so there ARE common sense limits to what we call arms. Anyone who says he/she needs a fucking assault rifle to protect themselves is NOT of sound mind and shouldn't be in the discussion. People who are paranoid to begin with thinking they need guns is exactly who you DON'T want to have them in the first place. Wanting to own a gun in this country is a sign of mental illness and/or mental retardation.

FUCK YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A MILITARY GRADE ASSAULT WEAPON. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. And fuck your mother to, who should have raised you better.

Thanks,

Joe

I'll agree with you on the assault rifle portion of this as far as you don't need it to protect yourself. But are you saying a person is mentally ill if they feel a weapon would help protect them from a criminal element. People should not be able to protect their homes and themselves from intruders? A business man should not be able to protect his store or the money he carries? I know many people with guns. Most of them are probably the most responsible and decent people I know as far as how they live in society and the care they take with things. I also know some idiots that should not have guns but do. I think the former needs them because the latter has them.

This isn't a place where everyone holds hands and sings songs of peace and love 24/7. There are criminals here. People that do intend to do you harm. Hell, watch Tru TV for a weekend and you'll see what the hell I'm talking about.

You want to shame people for a choice they make that you don't agree with. Just cause you don't agree or understand it, doesn't make it wrong.

As far as assault riffles, the only thing I can really see them being used for is a civil war type situation and a lot of people feel that's always a possibility. Not me, but if enough people talk like that, I think they may cause it.

[The Sushi Hunter]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/2 ... 91626.html

[artist4perry]

Is this MelodicRock or 'We fucking love guns?' You've got to be some kind of asshole to act surprised when gun control becomes a topic when 20 elementary school kids are gunned down with an assault weapon. The 2nd Amendment, or Musket Amendment as I like to call it, is out-dated and definitely outgunned.

We don't allow nuclear weapons to be kept by citizens, so there ARE common sense limits to what we call arms. Anyone who says he/she needs a fucking assault rifle to protect themselves is NOT of sound mind and shouldn't be in the discussion. People who are paranoid to begin with thinking they need guns is exactly who you DON'T want to have them in the first place. Wanting to own a gun in this country is a sign of mental illness and/or mental retardation.

FUCK YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A MILITARY GRADE ASSAULT WEAPON. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. And fuck your mother to, who should have raised you better.

Thanks,

Joe

You do plan on using protection with your plans of shagging all of us and our mothers, after all I am not too into getting aids from anyone. Chill out already.

[Liam]

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[Journey/Survivor]

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It depends.

It is most certainly possible to prevent armed criminals from entering in the first place.

I'm not a criminal, and I would never shoot anyone. But if I were, that sign about the staff being armed and trained wouldn't stop me for a second. If I myself had a gun/s I wouldn't be too worried about a kindergarten teacher with a gun. Especially if that teacher was a woman. And most kindergarten teachers are women. No offense, ladies. But guns have a kick that makes them hard for someone who is not strong to control.

Plus, we're talking about someone who's is either mentally ill or wants revenge against someone, or both. Someone like that, who's heavily armed, possibly wearing a bullet-resistant vest, and is mentally-ill/out for revenge isn't going to let the sign about the staff being armed stop them. Most of those people don't plan on leaving there alive anyway.

Unless maybe you're talking about a policeman who has his gun on him at all times, if you start putting guns in schools, eventually, someone is going to be shot by accident.

Last night I saw someone on the news who said that he wishes that the schools principal had had a gun on her so that she could have fought back. Sure, the thought of her being able to fight back is great. But it's not very realistic. That guy acts as if the principal was Rambo or something. Even when heavily trained swat teams that are wearing bullet-resistant vests and helmets surround a building or home where a gunman is inside, it's still common for one or more of those officers to be shot and possible killed. And yet we're to believe that a kindergarten teacher or principal who has had a few beginners classes with a gun is supposed to be able to fight off the psycho that's wearing the vest and loaded with weapons?

[artist4perry]

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It depends.

It is most certainly possible to prevent armed criminals from entering in the first place.

I'm not a criminal, and I would never shoot anyone. But if I were, that sign about the staff being armed and trained wouldn't stop me for a second. If I myself had a gun/s I wouldn't be too worried about a kindergarten teacher with a gun. Especially if that teacher was a woman. And most kindergarten teachers are women. No offense, ladies. But guns have a kick that makes them hard for someone who is not strong to control.

Plus, we're talking about someone who's is either mentally ill or wants revenge against someone, or both. Someone like that, who's heavily armed, possibly wearing a bullet-resistant vest, and is mentally-ill/out for revenge isn't going to let the sign about the staff being armed stop them. Most of those people don't plan on leaving there alive anyway.

Unless maybe you're talking about a policeman who has his gun on him at all times, if you start putting guns in schools, eventually, someone is going to be shot by accident.

Last night I saw someone on the news who said that he wishes that the schools principal had had a gun on her so that she could have fought back. Sure, the thought of her being able to fight back is great. But it's not very realistic. That guy acts as if the principal was Rambo or something. Even when heavily trained swat teams that are wearing bullet-resistant vests and helmets surround a building or home where a gunman is inside, it's still common for one or more of those officers to be shot and possible killed. And yet we're to believe that a kindergarten teacher or principal who has had a few beginners classes with a gun is supposed to be able to fight off the psycho that's wearing the vest and loaded with weapons?

After the Jonesboro school shooting they put an armed police in each school...so far ...so good.

[Journey/Survivor]

In the case of this picture... I would want my neighbor to call the police right away if I or my home were in danger. I would NOT want my neighbor putting their own life in danger trying to save me, or for them to accidentally shoot me or my family while trying to save me.

I'm fairly big and strong, and I used to box.
A few months ago at 4:00 AM I heard someone trying to open my front door. I turned on the porch light figuring that that would scare him off, but he kept trying to open the door. I figured at that point that he was drunk, and he was. I could have opened the door and told him that he was at the wrong house. I could have given him a beat down, but I would have only done that if he had then tried to hurt me or enter my house. But there was no need for me to do either. I called 911, and the police were at my house in 2 minutes.

The guy was drunk and thought he was at his friends house. I don't think he even had the right street? They didn't ask me what I wanted to do, they just arrested the guy.

[Clasicrockldy]

1,Is this MelodicRock or 'We fucking love guns?'

You've got to be some kind of asshole to act surprised when gun control becomes a topic when 20 elementary school kids are gunned down with an assault weapon. The 2nd Amendment, or Musket Amendment as I like to call it, is out-dated and definitely outgunned.

We don't allow nuclear weapons to be kept by citizens, so there ARE common sense limits to what we call arms. Anyone who says he/she needs a fucking assault rifle to protect themselves is NOT of sound mind and shouldn't be in the discussion.

2.People who are paranoid to begin with thinking they need guns is exactly who you DON'T want to have them in the first place.

3. Wanting to own a gun in this country is a sign of mental illness and/or mental retardation.


4. FUCK YOUR RIGHT TO OWN A MILITARY GRADE ASSAULT WEAPON. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. FUCK YOU. And fuck your mother to, who should have raised you better.

Thanks,

Joe

Dude.. way to go with this post.. NOT! I don't know how long you have been here, and I do notice that your post count is low.. so I see that you are a newbie. On to answer/comment on 3 things in your post.

!. This area is a general chat area, and all types of topics/post go here. Yes, there are some here who, as you put it.."Love Guns". They may be hunters, or collectors of guns. People here who say they love guns, they are not mentally ill. Nor a criminal either. By what you say.... the whole NRA is full of mentally ill people! Now I am going to get pissed. You, in your post, are accusing my father-in-law as being mentally ill because he has guns. What a crock of bullshite that is! My father-in-law was in the Marine Air Wing during WWII. He did go out hunting quite a bit in his younger years. And he kept his rifles, handguns, and ammo locked up. He knew what guns can do, and he made sure the guns were taken care of. You should apologise for making that statement.

2. Ok... you make a point on not letting mentally ill people have guns. I agree. You must realise that not all mentally ill people will show their illness. And unless the gun seller knows the person buying the gun a long time, then there isn't any way for a gunseller to tell if they are ill or not. There isn't a handbook or internet website out there for the gunseller to use to find out who is mentally ill and who isn't.

3. Who told you that wanting/owning a gun says you are mentally ill? I just don't get that. There must of been some sort of bad situation when you were young to make you think this way.

4. Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning? From this last sentence I am thinking that you are a youngster... possibly late teens. I think your mother should of raised you better, Mr. Pottymouth. And oh my, didn't she try and show you how to control your anger, and don't shout at anyone? Eh, I guess your mother didn't raise you better. So Sad.

[Memorex]

During Lamb Of God‘s concert at the Armory in Medford, Oregon Friday night, frontman Randy Blythe requested one minute of silence in remembrance of the children lost in the Newtown, Connecticut tragedy earlier that morning.

While the majority of the crowd quietly paid their respects, a disturbing number of concertgoers made noise, talked and generally disrupted the otherwise peaceful moment.

After the concert, a shaken Blythe took to Instagram to express his disgust for those that couldn’t “shut up for sixty lousy seconds.”

“We, lamb of god, asked for sixty seconds of silence during our 1st set break to honor the dead children & teachers in CT. It seemed appropriate- it’s a goddamned national TRAGEDY. Most of the crowd complied, but several didn’t, some cursing & even laughing. I wanted to walk off stage.

I am so disgusted right now- if you were one of those who wouldn’t shut up for SIXTY LOUSY SECONDS to honor twenty MURDERED CHILDREN- go look in the mirror. You are looking at a piece of sh**.

Your parents are obviously pieces of sh** too, because they raised you to behave with no dignity. To the fans who were respectful, I thank you. I am also sorry you have so many goddamned ***holes in your community.

You should do something about that. This sh** would not have happened at a lamb of god show where I live, & that is a FACT. We have more manners. I am just disgusted. Thoroughly DISGUSTED. You yelling people give metal a bad name-screw that, you give humanity a bad name.

Grow up. Your parents should have beaten some manners into you, you savage little beasts. With that I will go to bed, say a prayer for those suffering, & hope for a better day tomorrow, because tonight SUCKED.”

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It depends.

It is most certainly possible to prevent armed criminals from entering in the first place.

I'm not a criminal, and I would never shoot anyone. But if I were, that sign about the staff being armed and trained wouldn't stop me for a second. If I myself had a gun/s I wouldn't be too worried about a kindergarten teacher with a gun. Especially if that teacher was a woman. And most kindergarten teachers are women. No offense, ladies. But guns have a kick that makes them hard for someone who is not strong to control.

Plus, we're talking about someone who's is either mentally ill or wants revenge against someone, or both. Someone like that, who's heavily armed, possibly wearing a bullet-resistant vest, and is mentally-ill/out for revenge isn't going to let the sign about the staff being armed stop them. Most of those people don't plan on leaving there alive anyway.

Unless maybe you're talking about a policeman who has his gun on him at all times, if you start putting guns in schools, eventually, someone is going to be shot by accident.

Last night I saw someone on the news who said that he wishes that the schools principal had had a gun on her so that she could have fought back. Sure, the thought of her being able to fight back is great. But it's not very realistic. That guy acts as if the principal was Rambo or something. Even when heavily trained swat teams that are wearing bullet-resistant vests and helmets surround a building or home where a gunman is inside, it's still common for one or more of those officers to be shot and possible killed. And yet we're to believe that a kindergarten teacher or principal who has had a few beginners classes with a gun is supposed to be able to fight off the psycho that's wearing the vest and loaded with weapons?

Actually its very realistic...

Israel also faced this problem (terrorists attacking their kids at school) and banned firearms in schools, except they at least used common sense. Anyone with a carry permit (teachers, etc.) was told that they were now required to carry their licensed firearm at school. There hasn't been a school shooting in Israel for the last few decades as a result.

In Israel military service is compulsory, so males and females all get training with those "guns that kick". The also get hand-to-hand self defence training (Krav Magra).

I would not want to mess with any female Israeli teachers.


And I think the sign was in jest....

[Memorex]

I shouldn't laugh, but I did.

[Andrew]

This thread is becoming offensive.

[Liam]

How?

[steveo777]

How?

Maybe people making light of and jokes about a human tragedy.....just guessing.