MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

[jestor92]

I went to go see Man of Steel on Saturday and I'd probably give the film a solid 6.5 or 7 out of 10. Visually and in terms of action I felt the movie was excellent. I felt the script lacked a bit in certain parts and there were a few things I didn't care for in terms of the script.

One thing that bothered me is that I didn't feel Kevin Costner or Diane Lane were used well enough in the movie (Costner especially). I felt Costner and Crowe both did a tremendous job in their parts, I just felt Costner wasn't used enough. Overall it's a very good movie, it kind of reminded me a bit of The Avengers with a slightly weaker script.

[verslibre]

Wasn't WB about to lose the movie rights to Superman? A Superman movie in some form was going to come out this year, regardless of Goyer's light bulb moment.

Routh's contract expired in '09 and there was indeed a sequel planned with Singer again at the helm, but no story was firmed up and nothing came of it. Meanwhile, Singer's back to directing Marvel movies.

Personally, and I haven't see MOS yet, I think Goyer basically sucks. He wrote and directed Blade 3, which was horrendous. Del Toro salvaged Blade 2 and made it into something special. But Goyer, left to his own devices, is very iffy. Luckily, Jonathan Nolan has been around to polish Goyer's scripts to DK and DKR. Jonathan (i think?) also has a writing credit for MOS, so I'm optimistic this will be another classic.

Goyer and Nolan share a story credit and Goyer wrote the screenplay. As far as I know, Jonathan Nolan didn't work on MoS. He's not been mentioned in any of the four daily articles the Los Angeles Times has published starting this last Friday, and IMDb's credits page reflects no other story/screenplay contributor.

Btw, Blade 2 was gawdawful. Nothin' special. Probably the only real misstep in del Toro's career.

[verslibre]

Back after a long weekend. I've only seen it once but I do plan to see it again on a big-ass screen because like the TDK trilogy, this is cinema meant to be viewed on a big-ass screen with big sound.

I didn't do 3-D. I watched it in 2-D (my preference). I will not spoil major plot points of the film.

Cue the fanfare music...duhn-duhnn-DUHNNN! Goyer & Nolan tapdancin' their way to another victory...this is to Superman as Batman Begins is to Batman (duh).

Boy, am I glad I didn't watch the last couple trailers! If I'd watched the Nokia trailer or the "Y.A.N.A." (initialed to prevent spoilering), I'd have been pissed! Especially because the "Y.A.N.A." sequence was supercool. The first two trailers were the only ones that I watched, and they did not betray the scope of the story and action of the film.

Apart from the character, the story and the cast, what I like about Nolan's TDK trilogy is how beautiful it is. The Art and Making of the Dark Knight Trilogy prints many select frames along with sets and designs to enable you to properly appreciate how great Nolan's movies are shot. Man Of Steel is right in step: it is an outrageously beautiful film. There are panoramic shots in the movie that look like they're right out of the epic nature series Earth. The scope is epic. The action is unbelievable.

I think the Batman films helped Goyer and Nolan package a perfect standalone film for Superman. Maybe they expected to not be able to make another? Who knows. We get the perfect percentages of setup, origin, cast intros, development and action. People who think this movie is overstuffed with action are whiners. The origin is handled in a different way; we didn't need Clark-El spending an hour on a farm, and Goyer and Nolan knew that.

This is going to be hard for people to stomach, but...this movie is better than (*screams from random passersby*) The Avengers. I love The Avengers as a straightforward action film that gathers the characters, but things fell apart in the end and they used a cheap, predictable gimmick to get things over with. Also, I liked the the mid-film conflict above the Helicarrier better than the last act's how-many-Chitauri-are-there? battle. That's a pattern I notice with most recent Marvel movies: good first third, great middle third, half-assed or unfulfilling final third.

What MoS culminates in is apparently hard for some people to accept because he's Superman. I won't spoil it, but this guy -- yes, THIS guy -- clapped in the fucking theater, and I WAS THE ONLY GUY to do so when "it" happened. (Of course, when the credits rolled, the whole theater clapped.) WARNING! Some troll on IMDb just posted what I'm referring to in the subject header of a post on IMDb. Don't visit the MoS page if you haven't seen the movie. It's obviously some punkass who hates the fact this movie is not a flop.

And like the Nolan movies, this one has a great cast. Cavill is tailor-made for this role. Crowe, Shannon and Costner completely own their roles. Costner has by far the least screen time but he's excellent. Crowe's Jor-el is his own action hero. Amy Adams was fine; while she's not one of my favorite actresses, she also really wanted to do this role (so I've read), and she was convincing. I even liked Fishburne in his limited role as Perry White. I can't remark about certain other players without spoiling the whys and whats, but I will say that I loved Faora. She was awesome. Which brings me to the....

Visual effects dept. They spent a lot of time on sets and tech and it shows. The crystalline Krypton of the 1978 film is still very appealing. They didn't try to outdo it nor replicate it. What we got reminded me more of Dune-meets-Prometheus with steampunk aspects stirred in. The Kryptonian battlesuits are stylistically impressive.

There are some points that aren't fully explained. In typical Goyer-Nolan fashion, they want viewers to fill in those blanks themselves. They're not stark enough to disrupt the story.

I could go on, but people need to see the movie so shit doesn't get spoiled.

Warner Bros. said "If it makes a hundred million this weekend, we won't fret." Flick's made double that. If Bryan Singer's fruity '06 attempt wasn't still so fresh in the minds of moviegoers, Man Of Steel would easily collect another 100M this weekend through word of mouth alone. Part of Goyer's deal purportedly includes a Justice League script, so if they intro some of those characters in MoS2, that movie's that much closer. I'm not getting any younger.

[brywool]

Saw this yesterday. REALLY liked it.
Did watch the 3D version. Probably didn't need to, but oh well. I preferred it over the Christopher Reeve films because they didn't treat it like the old Batman TV show. It was a bit of a drag that they retold the whole Zod thing. I know with the new Star Trek I was annoyed they used old plots, but at least this one didn't use the old script.

One question I have- MIGHT BE A SPOILER...






I didn't get this- Why was the Kryptonian ship under Earth's ice for 18000 years? Does that mean Kal-El was 18033 years old?

[Memorex]

Maybe more spoiler.


I took that as it was one of the probes they sent out and that's how they knew Earth was a place they could send him. There was the ship in the barn and the ship in the ice - two different things.

Saw this yesterday. REALLY liked it.
Did watch the 3D version. Probably didn't need to, but oh well. I preferred it over the Christopher Reeve films because they didn't treat it like the old Batman TV show. It was a bit of a drag that they retold the whole Zod thing. I know with the new Star Trek I was annoyed they used old plots, but at least this one didn't use the old script.

One question I have- MIGHT BE A SPOILER...






I didn't get this- Why was the Kryptonian ship under Earth's ice for 18000 years? Does that mean Kal-El was 18033 years old?

[verslibre]

[SPOILERS]

The ship mentioned above ^^^ is in the prequel comic that I have not read. (YoungJRNY, did you read it?) Without getting into too much detail, from what I've read it's a scout ship or scientific vessel that landed on the planet 18000ish years ago. On board was another certain famous Kryptonian hero (heroine, rather). Her absence wasn't explained in the movie, but somebody apparently exited the ship way back when.

I like the fact that THIS time we get evidence of Krypton's reach beyond its physical planet. This raises possibilities the other movies didn't have.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Routh's contract expired in '09 and there was indeed a sequel planned with Singer again at the helm, but no story was firmed up and nothing came of it. Meanwhile, Singer's back to directing Marvel movies.

I mean, to the comics. WB was set to lose the rights to Superman. They had to put a new film out regardless this year.

Btw, Blade 2 was gawdawful. Nothin' special. Probably the only real misstep in del Toro's career.

I disagree. One of the best comic movies in the last twenty years.

[YoungJRNY]

Whoa, a lot of replys overnight. Let me digest your guys's words and get back to you with quotes

I've seen this movie yesterday in the Fathers Day crowd. 3D. I was shocked by how much BETTER the movie came across in 3D. The picture was much more clearer and more revolutionary to the film.

I've seen it FOUR times, and each time I walk out with a DIFFERENT feeling. Man of Steel is my OWN masterpiece. I still can't believe how they pulled this film off. They managed to complete a beginning to the Superman franchise that leaves you needing to see it multiple times and leaving with different emotions with each sitting. Amazing.

Oh yeah, my audience was very chippy and actually laughed in many parts so to the people claiming it lacks heart, emotion or humor, the audience sure didn't think that. Lots of claps too and it's showing in the BO.

[YoungJRNY]

[SPOILERS]

The ship mentioned above ^^^ is in the prequel comic that I have not read. (YoungJRNY, did you read it?) Without getting into too much detail, from what I've read it's a scout ship or scientific vessel that landed on the planet 18000ish years ago. On board was another certain famous Kryptonian hero (heroine, rather). Her absence wasn't explained in the movie, but somebody apparently exited the ship way back when.

I like the fact that THIS time we get evidence of Krypton's reach beyond its physical planet. This raises possibilities the other movies didn't have.

MAY CONTAIN MINOR SPOILERS:


Correct. I did NOT read the prequel because after the first few T.V spots, I tried to stay away from everything spoilery from that moment forward but of course, it's impossible not to stumble upon discussions of the prequel issue.

The Fortress of Solitude is a complete revisionary of anything we've seen before. It did not find Clark nor did Clark have any leads as to where his journey might take him or if he'd ever stumble upon a Fortress.

The only thing that was presented to him was the command key inside of his survival-pod Lara and Joe-EL sent him in. He spent most of his adult life searching for the reason to where his command key may lead him where his destiny and answers could only be activated through his command.

He found out about this object buried underneath a thick wall of ice for centuries upon centuries by quickly over-hearing United States pentagon officials at a bar he happened to be working at so he found the Fortress by chance, which means before Kal's ship made it to Earth or what have you, a Kryptonian ship was already exited by another alien before Clark started his hike to get answers.

In the comics, Kara Zor-EL (Superman's older Kryptonian cousin) is a teenager by the time she walks Earth so there was a girl of Steel way before Clark was born on Krypton (though Kal was the FIRST natural birth in Kryptonian society in centuries) so Kara is a product of a Kryptonian guild (as Zod was bread to be a General of the military.)

When Clark is seen walking through the Fortress for the first time, he wipes away a pod to see a Zombie-ish corpse in one of the pods (maybe Kara's mother that didn't survive) and he looks to his right to see an open pod that was exited. This is when he see's Jor-EL's consciousness and he has zero time to gather himself or speculate, hence the Easter-egg so in turn, he is NOT alone.

I didn't get this- Why was the Kryptonian ship under Earth's ice for 18000 years? Does that mean Kal-El was 18033 years old?

The way I see it, The Fortress was a space-prob that was sent out minutes before Lara decided on a landing spot for Kal. The ship's technology synchronized up with Earth's population and race, which sent back the credentials we live in (atmospheric, yellow sun radiation, a seemingly intelligent population, etc) so there's a possibility that they've sent out another one of their own to save as a test for a chance of survival.

As for time, General Zod explained that they've traveled over an Ocean of stars to reach our planet and it wasn't until Clark activated the ships sensory that led them to Earth. Space and galaxy time could be bent compared to Earth-time and is a totally different set of scientific bearings as space travel could be millennial.

If the theory of Supergirl is correct, minutes passed between her launch and Kal's launch could mean 1800 years of lifetime on Earth vs space's bent reality, hence her being much older than Kal when they arrived on Earth (Kara as a teen, Kal as a baby.) Inside Krypton's survival chamber and Kryptonian technology was enough to keep Kal alive until reaching his destination (as Lara was scared of.. "What if the ship doesn't make it....")

Hope that makes sense and that's why the Superman character tops the charts with sci-fi elements being place within his arrival to Earth vs Krypton's society that existed in a whole different space hemisphere.

[verslibre]

http://whatculture.com/film/man-of-steel-2-5-most-likely-villains.php

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just came back from seeing it with 3 friends. Like parts of it. Other parts felt like bad fan fiction or a revisionist take on the character, which is perfectly fine. Ultimately tho, I was bored. I liked 300 and Dawn of the Dead, but this film has the plodding pacing of Snyder's Watchmen and it's not in the service of a good story. Just a bunch of flashbacks and then Zod's arrival feels like War of the Worlds. I expected way better from the Nolan Bros. And were was the sense of fun? The scene where Supes masters how to fly should be triumphant and exhilarating. Instead it just reminded me of the Hulk jumping around in Ang Lee's derided Hulk movie. I don't know..wish I could say I really enjoyed it. I was prepared to. But it's nowhere close to TDK or even TDKR. Actually thought the best part was the opening 20 minutes on Kryopton, it felt like an Avatar reboot starring Russell Crowe.

[Don]

Not really into the whole Superman thing. Went to see World War Z instead. Really enjoyable. I've always liked Brad Pitt and although this isn't the genre he's known for I think he did a good job. Not a spectacular movie but very good IMO. Our overseas friends who are visiting are HUGE Pitt fans and were happier than pigs in shit so it was a fun outing.

28 Days Later is still my favorite zombie/infection movie but if you are a fan of the genre, I don't think you'll be too disappointed with this one.

[verslibre]

Not really into the whole Superman thing. Went to see World War Z instead. Really enjoyable. I've always liked Brad Pitt and although this isn't the genre he's known for I think he did a good job. Not a spectacular movie but very good IMO. Our overseas friends who are visiting are HUGE Pitt fans and were happier than pigs in shit so it was a fun outing.

28 Days Later is still my favorite zombie/infection movie but if you are a fan of the genre, I don't think you'll be too disappointed with this one.

I'm on the fence about seeing this in the theater or waiting to see it on DVD. I've been a fan of the zombie genre since forever (Romero's and the Italian films are the best). First of all, WWZ is rated PG-13. What's up with that? Why not R? Did they cut a ton of stuff because they were afraid of a flop? I've heard The Walking Dead beats this movie on the gore score. I also don't like the "army ants" treatment the zombies got for this flick. Dogpiling a hundred yards high and overturning vehicles like picnic tables? I've also heard some things (minor spoilers) that don't give me a good vibe about the movie. I suspect a tremendous build-up and a fart-like climax, over with quickly and suddenly. I don't know. Might have to wait.

[Don]

Not really into the whole Superman thing. Went to see World War Z instead. Really enjoyable. I've always liked Brad Pitt and although this isn't the genre he's known for I think he did a good job. Not a spectacular movie but very good IMO. Our overseas friends who are visiting are HUGE Pitt fans and were happier than pigs in shit so it was a fun outing.

28 Days Later is still my favorite zombie/infection movie but if you are a fan of the genre, I don't think you'll be too disappointed with this one.

I'm on the fence about seeing this in the theater or waiting to see it on DVD. I've been a fan of the zombie genre since forever (Romero's and the Italian films are the best). First of all, WWZ is rated PG-13. What's up with that? Why not R? Did they cut a ton of stuff because they were afraid of a flop? I've heard The Walking Dead beats this movie on the gore score. I also don't like the "army ants" treatment the zombies got for this flick. Dogpiling a hundred yards high and overturning vehicles like picnic tables? I've also heard some things (minor spoilers) that don't give me a good vibe about the movie. I suspect a tremendous build-up and a fart-like climax, over with quickly and suddenly. I don't know. Might have to wait.

If you want gore and horror, it's not for you. If you want an action thriller though, it fits the bill. It's based on a book but this sort of like a prequel to the story. There will be two more parts as it's slated to be a trilogy. They were holding off on making those plans in case it flopped but it did very well at the Boxoffice, only losing out to Pixar (then again, doesn't everybody?). Man of Steel dropped like a rock for what ever reason. I didn't expect WWZ to outdraw it this weekend though I did figure Monsters University would be #1.

[YoungJRNY]

Man of Steel dropped like a rock for what ever reason. I didn't expect WWZ to outdraw it this weekend though I did figure Monsters University would be #1.

Simple: Competition. Underestimating a family sequel to a Pixar film is not a good outlook in terms of the BO. WWZ did better than what people have expected and cut into Man of Steel's "action-thriller" audience with a legend like Pitt staring in American's latest sweetheart: zombies.

Still, Man of Steel is close to, if not already, passed the $400 million mark and is projecting to do KILLER overseas, the numbers coming in bigger than expected so I expect MOS to hit around $290-300 million domestic with about, $500 million overseas, totaling a WORLDWIDE number of around $750+mil conservative, which is absolutely a phenom considering the doormat franchise it use to be, which surpassed Superman Returns ENTIRE GROSS in just 11 days.

Sequel is all but a sure thing, which then will be the goods with the cameo by none other than the Bat and/or Wonder Woman, setting the stage for the starved Justice League, which should pull in the billion-mark and then some once DC lines their ducks in a row.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Simple:Competition.

From #1 to #3? Yea, that's actually a big deal. Especially given the stature of those involved (Nolan) and the character. MOS should be, hands down, thee movie to beat this summer. If MOS continues in box office free fall, you can kiss the sequel and the Justice League movie goodbye. Remember, even after Green Lantern had whimpered out, Hollywood PR hacks kept swearing that a sequel was forthcoming. Still waiting on that. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the lamest looking films this summer, The Lone Ranger, actually turns out to be a sleeper hit.

[YoungJRNY]

Simple:Competition.

From #1 to #3? Yea, that's actually a big deal. Especially given the stature of those involved (Nolan) and the character. MOS should be, hands down, thee movie to beat this summer. If MOS continues in box office free fall, you can kiss the sequel and the Justice League movie goodbye. Remember, even after Green Lantern had whimpered out, Hollywood PR hacks kept swearing that a sequel was forthcoming. Still waiting on that. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the lamest looking films this summer, The Lone Ranger, actually turns out to be a sleeper hit.

#1's this year has taken a beating to remain on top. Other than IM3, who had basically NO COMPETITION in the month of May to give it a challenge, the June BO is pretty stacked with competition and the drop was to be expected. MU was always going to be a HUGE hit, a sequel to a juggernaut audience and WWZ did better than expected for the reasons mentioned above (cutting into MOS's audience for a second weekend.) Friday took a free-fall, but had a bounce back in Saturday-Sunday numbers.

WB projected MOS to open between $70-$80 million opening weekend and it toppled at $129.3 million and is going to make huge bank overseas.

Don't even dare compare Green Lantern's numbers to Man of Steel...just don't do it. MOS obliterated everything in its path compared to the other franchise not named The Dark Knight and it's only been out a mere 11 days.

MOS has the biggest opening for a reboot ever and has already out-grossed Batman Begins and Star Trek and it's only been out for 2 weeks.

For a greenlighted sequel, $600 million it needs to hit WW. It's on pace to pull in $700+ million respectively so the sequel is all but a sure thing.

As for Justice League, we will see how that plays out in MOS2 when there will be cameo appearances by either the new Bats or Wonder Woman, which would spike up the dollars even further and set the stage for the shared universe to takeoff.

[YoungJRNY]

'Man of Steel' latest box-office champ to lose altitude under tough competition


LOS ANGELES (TheWrap.com) - "Man of Steel" became the latest box-office champ to stumble its second week in theaters, mustering $41 million for third place behind "Monsters University" and "World War Z."

That represents a heftier than usual drop of 65 percent from the superhero movie's $116 million opening at the domestic box office. A 50 percent drop is typically considered the benchmark for a strong hold. But this isn't a typical summer; the precipitous tumble by "Man of Steel" says more about the market than the movie.

The Warner Bros. tentpole has taken in $400 million in 11 days, rebooted a dormant franchise and set the stage for another with the DC Comics all-star team the Justice League. It's a hit by all the significant measures, but after last weekend, there's a distinct whiff of kryptonite in the air.

"Man of Steel" had to face competition from two tentpole openers: Disney's Pixar film almost certainly siphoned off some of the family market for "Man of Steel" on the way to its $88 million haul, and "World War Z" had to steal some of its action audience to get to $66 million.

The No. 1 films have had a tough time hanging on all summer.

Universals micro-budgeted horror thriller "The Purge" plunged 75 percent from its opening haul. Even "Fast and Furious 6," which was in the top spot for three weeks, and "Iron Man 3" couldn't do it. Universal's cars-and-criminal saga dropped 63 percent in its second week, and the Marvel sequel dropped 58 percent. The only exception to the trend was Paramount's "Star Trek Into Darkness," which dropped just 46 percent in its week.

"The box office is red-hot right now," Exhibitor Relations vice-president and senior analyst Jeff Bock told TheWrap, "but the same competition that's driving that has been lethal for the No. 1 films this year."


Sony's "Amazing Spider-Man" was, like of "Man of Steel," rebooting a dormant franchise when it opened with $64 million last July. Its second-week drop was 44 percent. The studio has since green-lighted and dated three Spider-Man sequels, and though Warner Bros. hasn't made it official, there will be more Superman movies soon.

Some mid-range budgeted films have bucked the trend. Sony's Seth Rogen comedy "This Is the End" and Summit's magic-themed heist thriller "Now You See Me" have both shown surprising staying power of late.

The intense and broad competition is affecting the box office in some indirect ways, too. Studios have become very proficient at timing their social media and marketing campaigns to peak just as their movies are opening. That can result in big debuts, but leaves little room to build, especially if there is a rival movie looming - or if the studio has another tentpole in the wings.

On the Monday after "Man of Steel" had posted its big debut, for example, Warner Bros. rolled out waves of TV commercials - for "Pacific Rim," its Guillermo del Toro blockbuster-wannabe that opens July 12.

As a family film, "Monsters U" may prove impervious to the sophomore slump this weekend, but it will face "Despicable Me 2" on July 3. And it could be a different story for "World War Z," which will face off with Sony's Roland Emmerich action epic "White House Down" and the Fox comedy "The Heat" starting Friday.
Paramount's head of distribution Don Harris thinks that Brad Pitt's zombie thriller could have an edge over its rivals when it comes to holding.
"It's an original concept," Harris said, "and that means there's a little less fatigue than with some of the superhero sequels and people are anxious to see something that fresh."

We'll see about that. But in the meantime, "enjoy it while you can" seems a good approach for the biggest winners this summer.

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/man-steel-latest-box-office-champ-lose-altitude-231307021.html

[verslibre]

I'm on the fence about seeing this in the theater or waiting to see it on DVD. I've been a fan of the zombie genre since forever (Romero's and the Italian films are the best). First of all, WWZ is rated PG-13. What's up with that? Why not R? Did they cut a ton of stuff because they were afraid of a flop? I've heard The Walking Dead beats this movie on the gore score. I also don't like the "army ants" treatment the zombies got for this flick. Dogpiling a hundred yards high and overturning vehicles like picnic tables? I've also heard some things (minor spoilers) that don't give me a good vibe about the movie. I suspect a tremendous build-up and a fart-like climax, over with quickly and suddenly. I don't know. Might have to wait.

If you want gore and horror, it's not for you. If you want an action thriller though, it fits the bill.

That. Sucks. A zombie movie that's not a gore/horror flick? A zombie movie sans dread? Sounds like it could have been called anything.

It's based on a book but this sort of like a prequel to the story. There will be two more parts as it's slated to be a trilogy.

It has nothing to do with Max Brooks' novel. They essentially paid him for the rights and for the title (cuz, you know, "World War Z" sounds cool) and then they did something completely different. The novel as it is doesn't translate to a movie. It's a series of interviews with specific personalities throughout a zombie pandemic.

They were holding off on making those plans in case it flopped but it did very well at the Boxoffice, only losing out to Pixar (then again, doesn't everybody?). Man of Steel dropped like a rock for what ever reason. I didn't expect WWZ to outdraw it this weekend though I did figure Monsters University would be #1.

Warner's timing with MoS is kinda weird. It only had a week to itself before opening before a Pixar movie. WWZ isn't really competition for it (it only made $25M last weekend). MoS' domestic gross has already exceeded the total runs of Batman Begins and Superman Returns. WWZ will do a hard nosedive. That movie will require foreign markets to make back its budget.

[verslibre]

Simple:Competition.

From #1 to #3? Yea, that's actually a big deal. Especially given the stature of those involved (Nolan) and the character. MOS should be, hands down, thee movie to beat this summer. If MOS continues in box office free fall, you can kiss the sequel and the Justice League movie goodbye. Remember, even after Green Lantern had whimpered out, Hollywood PR hacks kept swearing that a sequel was forthcoming. Still waiting on that. I wouldn't be surprised if one of the lamest looking films this summer, The Lone Ranger, actually turns out to be a sleeper hit.

Green Lantern didn't even make back its production and promotion budgets. They said they were ready to greenlight a sequel IF it met a certain threshold its first week/end, which it failed to do.

MoS2 is a go.

[verslibre]

#1's this year has taken a beating to remain on top. Other than IM3, who had basically NO COMPETITION in the month of May to give it a challenge, the June BO is pretty stacked with competition and the drop was to be expected. MU was always going to be a HUGE hit, a sequel to a juggernaut audience and WWZ did better than expected for the reasons mentioned above (cutting into MOS's audience for a second weekend.) Friday took a free-fall, but had a bounce back in Saturday-Sunday numbers.

IM3 had no competition and it's the first post-Avengers movie. Commercially, it's a juggernaut...critically, not so much. In fact, I try not to think about it, because the more I do, the dumber the story gets. Shane Black really fucked Tony Stark in the ass. MoS is far and away a better film.

WB projected MOS to open between $70-$80 million opening weekend and it toppled at $129.3 million and is going to make huge bank overseas.

And it doesn't even open in Japan till late August.

Don't even dare compare Green Lantern's numbers to Man of Steel...just don't do it. MOS obliterated everything in its path compared to the other franchise not named The Dark Knight and it's only been out a mere 11 days.

MoS is the highest-grossing recent non-sequel superhero film. At least that's what I read.

As for Justice League, we will see how that plays out in MOS2 when there will be cameo appearances by either the new Bats or Wonder Woman, which would spike up the dollars even further and set the stage for the shared universe to takeoff.

I hope they don't reintroduce Batman too soon. Not just yet. They need to bring in Diana somehow.

[YoungJRNY]

Can we please have no mention of Green Lantern from this point forward? That's a big slap to the face of this entire thread. Christ, I'll seriously gauge my eyes out if Green Lantern is claimed to be worthy in the same sentence as Catwoman ((okay, maybe that's a bit exaggerated.. but titties for the win!), let alone MOS

[YoungJRNY]

IM3 had no competition and it's the first post-Avengers movie. Commercially, it's a juggernaut...critically, not so much. In fact, I try not to think about it, because the more I do, the dumber the story gets. Shane Black really fucked Tony Stark in the ass. MoS is far and away a better film.

IM3 is a glorified Tony Stark standup session. RDJR's intake on the superhero genre is going to fuckin RUIN comic book movies and the humor that needs to be spit down the audience's throat. That is the knock on Man of Steel. Not enough humor, too much "Dark Knight" treatment. DC is not Marvel, fanboys should get the hell over it!

And it doesn't even open in Japan till late August.

Yep. MAN did they get hosed on that. That's a painful wait. Still, oversea's numbers for MOS is already coming in higher than initially suspected.

MoS is the highest-grossing recent non-sequel superhero film. At least that's what I read.

Truth.

I hope they don't reintroduce Batman too soon. Not just yet. They need to bring in Diana somehow.

Possibly be both givin' the Trinity value. I would think Bats first and foremost because the Wayne Enterprise logo has already shown up as an Easter Egg. I agree, though. WB needs to stop being afraid and unleash their Amazonian Princess. It's long over-due.

[verslibre]

Marvel's announced a THIRD movie based on a new character (one that hasn't shown up in the others yet) to go into preproduction. Of the previous two announcements, we know Doctor Strange is one.

Warner needs to get rollin.' As long as they don't make Starro the villain for the first movie (LOL), Justice League will make megabucks.

[Don]

Warner's timing with MoS is kinda weird. It only had a week to itself before opening before a Pixar movie. WWZ isn't really competition for it (it only made $25M last weekend). MoS' domestic gross has already exceeded the total runs of Batman Begins and Superman Returns. WWZ will do a hard nosedive. That movie will require foreign markets to make back its budget.

What is the $25 M in reference to? WWZ made $66 M domestically over the weekend, well above what it was estimated to make. It's at $112 M worldwide .

[The_Noble_Cause]

That is the knock on Man of Steel. Not enough humor, too much "Dark Knight" treatment. DC is not Marvel, fanboys should get the hell over it!

Dark Knight was serious AND fun. I wish it was half as good as Nolan's Dark Knight. If anything, it reminds me more of Ang Lee's HULK, lots of overdone heavy-handed Oedipal issues. This film has more flashbacks than a Tarantino movie. It's almost like Amadeus, Citizen Kane, or Usual Suspects...one big endless flashback. By the time Zod threatens the people of earth, you've run out of jujubes and your urine has painfully gone back up into your kidneys. I knew Snyder would fuck this up. Best part was Russell Crowe guiding Lois how to kick ass on Zod's ship.

Don't even dare compare Green Lantern's numbers to Man of Steel...just don't do it. MOS obliterated everything in its path compared to the other franchise not named The Dark Knight and it's only been out a mere 11 days.

Why not? A box office disappointment is a box office disappointment. MOS should be hovering at either #1 or #2 and carrying the box office until mid July. This is not a good sign.

[The_Noble_Cause]

They said they were ready to greenlight a sequel IF it met a certain threshold its first week/end, which it failed to do.

Not so. As I said, the Hollywood PR people were in full Tasmanian devil spin mode saying a GL sequel was happening, despite it's disappointing box office. If MOS continues its slump, the same thing will probably happen. Or, WB will just wait and do a Batman vs Superman film.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/uncatego ... vrit=63378

[YoungJRNY]

Why not? A box office disappointment is a box office disappointment. MOS should be hovering at either #1 or #2 and carrying the box office until mid July. This is not a good sign.

There was just no way it was going to hold the #1 spot with Monsters University on the horizon. When WB announced the date of release, fans alike were in an uproar once MU was the competition the weekend thereafter and in advance, we knew MOS didn't stand a chance as a summer movie to hold off that audience , especially considering a reboot to a franchise. Brad Pitt's World War Z was the one that cut into MOS's second week sales. He's a legendary actor staring in basically a same thrilling action movie with zombies playing the culprit. Projections are banking on the 4th of July Weekend to have as big of numbers as it did on Fathers Day (but obviously, with less showings and featers.)

The Superman reboot continues as a super-hit internationally, still #1 internationally even after Superman had to battle the zombies from World War Z through today. MOS broadened out to 52 markets outside of the U.S. and Canada with the Christopher Nolan-Zack Snyder-David S. Goyer-Henry Cavill pic opening in 27 more foreign markets this weekend, including the major countries France, Germany, Italy, Spain, Russia and China. It’s now amassed an international cume of $188.3M. With $210M from its domestic gross in just 11 days, this third Superman franchise now has a huge worldwide total of $398.3M. That includes nearly $35M on exactly 600 worldwide IMAX screens, including the $3.2M opening weekend in China where IMAX screens represent 12.5% of the country’s movie gross. The pic has played very strong throughout Asia (see Korean poster) and, in China alone, grosses were an outstanding $25.5M from roughly 5,631 screens, taking a lion’s share of the market. Opening day took almost 80% marketshare for Warner Bros’ 2nd highest opening day behind only the Harry Potter finale. “Considering the massive openings last weekend and the hot weather impacting the business in many European markets, the film sustained a reasonable holdover drop of 59%,” Warner Bros said today.

Man Of Steel is currently #3 in North America after doing $12.7M Friday (-71% from a week ago) and +29% for $16.2M Saturday and another huge tally around $41.2M (-65% from a week ago). “We’re in great shape moving into the 4th of July holiday playtime with such an iconic character at the helm,” said Warner Bros Domestic Distribution President Dan Fellman. “Hoping we have a similar result to the strong day we had on Father’s Day.” Overseas, Australia opens on June 27, Brazil July 12, and Japan August 30.

Man of Steel will probably do around $300 domestic with about, $700 million WW cume when it's all said and done. Those numbers will be a huge success for this reboot, practically guaranteeing a sequel. MOS will NOT have a 71% drop off each weekend. If it continues to hold steady, it's going to be MORE than enough for a sequel and kickoff to the JL.

[YoungJRNY]

Batman Begins, at first release, got the same bad-rap from fanboys and media alike. I think most peoples highest expectations were going to compare MOS's pedestal to TDK and that's just silly. First, TDK had the Heath Ledger factor AND the Joker, let alone, a sequel to a fresh new beginning with Begins. Man of Steel isn't a perfect movie. There is a lot to be corrected but it's an origin story told in a non-linear, flashback form to tell a distanced Clark Kent story.

Instead of "Okay, he lands on the Kent Farm now." "Okay, Pa Kent dies here.." they went with the flashback, which worked for a Superman movie. I applaud Snyder for moving into this direction and having the balls to make a Superman movie on its own merits rather than somebody elses and change some mythos to update and refreshin' his character.

It was simply the serious and edgier tale that was needed for Superman to flourish into a new franchise. The "fun" and "humoristic" Superman will be explored in the sequel. That was the whole point in that last scene. Clark Kent arriving at the Planet, which had a nice vibe to it. Though the same darker tones will be used, MOS2 will not be as edgy or gritty as the first and be more "fun." Superman needed to be takin' seriously. This was inevitable. We have ENOUGH of Chris Reeve/Brandon Routh's bufoonery out there. Let a new direction be kickass, action and destruction and allow the fun to come later.

[verslibre]

They said they were ready to greenlight a sequel IF it met a certain threshold its first week/end, which it failed to do.

Not so. As I said, the Hollywood PR people were in full Tasmanian devil spin mode saying a GL sequel was happening, despite it's disappointing box office. If MOS continues its slump, the same thing will probably happen. Or, WB will just wait and do a Batman vs Superman film.

http://herocomplex.latimes.com/uncatego ... vrit=63378

Here's the problem with that article:

“We had a decent opening so we learned there is an audience,” said Warner Bros. film group President Jeff Robinov, pointing to the film’s box office debut of $53 million.

Considering the movie's budget, that was a piss-poor opening. Flop city. Lower than Captain America and Thor.

Man Of Steel is not a flop. Not by any means. There will be a sequel and Goyer's and Snyder's deal includes one.