2011-2012 NFL Season Thread

[S2M]

What I've taken from this game is the Detroit is depleted on defense, and the refs took this game in the first half. GB was ripe today....they got lucky.

The Shield - 27
Lions - 15

[Rockindeano]

Suh is a buffoon. This guy is going to seriously hurt someone soon. I'm all fine with brutal hits and solid football, but flat-out dirty plays week in and week out is despicable. This whole Lions "bad boy" schtick feels about as forced as 8th graders standing on the corner smoking cigarettes in an attempt to be "cool." Not genuine.

Funny thing - he never made contact with his foot. This stuff is ticky-tacky....these players wouldn't have survived playing in the 70s.....bunch of pussies.

Sure looked like he made contact on all 5 of the replays that I saw. Regardless of whether or not he made contact, Matt is absolutely right. Suh is a complete jackass to do what he did and get himself thrown out of a game that his team is being dominated in. Dude seriously needs to learn how to play NFL football. The guy should be suspended for his intent alone.

Suh is one mean spirited sonofabitch. he grabs Rodgers' bonnet and throws him to the turf...pissed off I am sure his dome wasn't in it when he ripped it off. This isn't Iowa State in the Big 12 anymore Dominic.

[mrsromek]

Do I like what he brings to Detroit? Hell yes-they've sucked for a long, long time. But, this is the NFL, not a sandlot game somewhere. I can't believe someone isn't getting in his face (from his own team) and telling him to chill out. Megatron or someone needs to step up. They finally have something decent going there, and Suh's dumb ass gets kicked out of the game. Guys like James Harrison and Suh have proved it's no biggie to get fines of $10K or $20K. When your game checks are $300K, what's $10K less?

[Enigma869]

Superb effort by the Ravens' defense tonight. When they show up to play defense, they are very tough to beat. Awesome game to watch, in spite of two teams with sucky offenses.

[slucero]

yup.. that was a full on defensive spanking...

[conversationpc]

Unbelievably bad week so far for my fantasy team. Every player I picked to start so far had a subpar game and every guy on the bench who played had an above-average game.

[AR]

Nice win for the Ravens last night. Expected though because they played a good team.

Dangerous opponent next week in Cleveland - because they suck and we all know how the Ravens play against bad teams.

[YoungJRNY]

Good game for Baltimore last night, AR. They certainly step up against good teams and are probably the best team in the AFC playing at home. Their in your face, blitzing defense is full of non-stop motors and Suggs is possibly the most feared on a team that molds Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Johnson and Ngata. The obvious difference last night was the lack of pressure on Flacco while Smith was harassed all night. Shame on Pittsburgh for not taking care of business for not making a play on that 92 yard drive. If Baltimore doesn't slip up (Cincy & S.D is probably the last opportunity) then Pittsburgh will probably have to go to Baltimore or New England if they want to make a run. Pittsburgh just must keep winning and control only what they have in front of them and worry about things later on.

[S2M]

Good game for Baltimore last night, AR. They certainly step up against good teams and are probably the best team in the AFC playing at home. Their in your face, blitzing defense is full of non-stop motors and Suggs is possibly the most feared on a team that molds Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Johnson and Ngata. The obvious difference last night was the lack of pressure on Flacco while Smith was harassed all night. Shame on Pittsburgh for not taking care of business for not making a play on that 92 yard drive. If Baltimore doesn't slip up (Cincy & S.D is probably the last opportunity) then Pittsburgh will probably have to go to Baltimore or New England if they want to make a run. Pittsburgh just must keep winning and control only what they have in front of them and worry about things later on.

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

[AR]

Good game for Baltimore last night, AR. They certainly step up against good teams and are probably the best team in the AFC playing at home. Their in your face, blitzing defense is full of non-stop motors and Suggs is possibly the most feared on a team that molds Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Johnson and Ngata. The obvious difference last night was the lack of pressure on Flacco while Smith was harassed all night. Shame on Pittsburgh for not taking care of business for not making a play on that 92 yard drive. If Baltimore doesn't slip up (Cincy & S.D is probably the last opportunity) then Pittsburgh will probably have to go to Baltimore or New England if they want to make a run. Pittsburgh just must keep winning and control only what they have in front of them and worry about things later on.

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

Officiating does suck, not going to dispute that.

[YoungJRNY]

Good game for Baltimore last night, AR. They certainly step up against good teams and are probably the best team in the AFC playing at home. Their in your face, blitzing defense is full of non-stop motors and Suggs is possibly the most feared on a team that molds Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, Johnson and Ngata. The obvious difference last night was the lack of pressure on Flacco while Smith was harassed all night. Shame on Pittsburgh for not taking care of business for not making a play on that 92 yard drive. If Baltimore doesn't slip up (Cincy & S.D is probably the last opportunity) then Pittsburgh will probably have to go to Baltimore or New England if they want to make a run. Pittsburgh just must keep winning and control only what they have in front of them and worry about things later on.

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

No lie, I said "S2M is probably going nuts right now...." That certainly was a bad call, I thought that was an excellent blitz pickup by Gore. Gore on a couple occasions made some nice sticks for Smith on a blitzing defender. Hell, most of Baltimore's yardage comes from interference when taking a shot down the field. That chop-block was certainly a bad call, just like most of the PI's yesterday AND the no PI's yesterday but I can see how they called it. It's become very confusing on what is and what isn't in the NFL. Teams are just going to have to deal and find a different approach to overcome a big penalty down the field.

[Enigma869]

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

You do know that even if SF scores that TD that Baltimore won by more than a TD, right? I agree with you that it was a bad call (as were several others), but it's fucking absurd to say that was "the play" that cost the 49'ers the game. That play happened early in the game, and the Niners couldn't move the ball, AT ALL during that game last night! They weren't winning that game with or without that TD!

[S2M]

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

You do know that even if SF scores that TD that Baltimore won by more than a TD, right? I agree with you that it was a bad call (as were several others), but it's fucking absurd to say that was "the play" that cost the 49'ers the game. That play happened early in the game, and the Niners couldn't move the ball, AT ALL during that game last night! They weren't winning that game with or without that TD!

It's called momentum, John....same thing happened to Detroit yesterday in the first half...Lions had 3 drives end on GB's side of the field, all 3 stopped by bogus penalties....

[Rick]

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

You do know that even if SF scores that TD that Baltimore won by more than a TD, right? I agree with you that it was a bad call (as were several others), but it's fucking absurd to say that was "the play" that cost the 49'ers the game. That play happened early in the game, and the Niners couldn't move the ball, AT ALL during that game last night! They weren't winning that game with or without that TD!

It's called momentum, John....same thing happened to Detroit yesterday in the first half...Lions had 3 drives end on GB's side of the field, all 3 stopped by bogus penalties....

It's part of the game and always has been. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't. I think too many penalties are called. It's not the responsibility of the officiating crew to rebuild the team's momentum after a flag is thrown. They're professionals. If you let one penalty destroy the whole day's momentum, you're not a very good team. Not that day anyway.

[YoungJRNY]

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

You do know that even if SF scores that TD that Baltimore won by more than a TD, right? I agree with you that it was a bad call (as were several others), but it's fucking absurd to say that was "the play" that cost the 49'ers the game. That play happened early in the game, and the Niners couldn't move the ball, AT ALL during that game last night! They weren't winning that game with or without that TD!

Alex Smith made a poor decision as well before halftime. Instead of getting points on the board in a Field Goal-separated game, he goes for the deep ball and risks the pick, which happened. Instead of going in halftime 9-9, Baltimore had the advantage 9-6 (Smith also took multiple 10+ yard sacks in field goal range as well, knocking them out of range for an attempt.) Taking that touchdown away from San Fran on a bad call AND Smith not playing smart to get some points is a 10 point swing right there. 16-6 was the score, a 10 point difference. San Fran had the opportunities but failed. Can't do that on the road.

[YoungJRNY]

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

You do know that even if SF scores that TD that Baltimore won by more than a TD, right? I agree with you that it was a bad call (as were several others), but it's fucking absurd to say that was "the play" that cost the 49'ers the game. That play happened early in the game, and the Niners couldn't move the ball, AT ALL during that game last night! They weren't winning that game with or without that TD!

It's called momentum, John....same thing happened to Detroit yesterday in the first half...Lions had 3 drives end on GB's side of the field, all 3 stopped by bogus penalties....

It's part of the game and always has been. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't. I think too many penalties are called. It's not the responsibility of the officiating crew to rebuild the team's momentum after a flag is thrown. They're professionals. If you let one penalty destroy the whole day's momentum, you're not a very good team. Not that day anyway.

Agreed 100%. Interference penalties and momentum penalties are as part of the game as are touchdowns and when to call a timeout. It's just FOOTBALL. I'm sure teams practice ritually about these situations. Getting a big play, neglected by a penalty and how to respond TO that. Sometimes, it doesn't look good, but calling a simple draw play on 3rd and 15 is a good call after a penalty for field position reasons. Most of the time, the field position battle wins the game for team. Instead of playing smart after a penalty, some teams will go for it and force it and causing a turnover. Good teams respond well against penalties, it's just all that's to it.

[Ehwmatt]

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

You do know that even if SF scores that TD that Baltimore won by more than a TD, right? I agree with you that it was a bad call (as were several others), but it's fucking absurd to say that was "the play" that cost the 49'ers the game. That play happened early in the game, and the Niners couldn't move the ball, AT ALL during that game last night! They weren't winning that game with or without that TD!

Talking about "costing the game," how about Miami not going for 2 when it scored the TD to make it 15-10 (with extra point it ended up being 16-10 instead of 17-10)? I was going nuts at that point, and sure enough, it fucked them. Hell, even if they had missed the 2 point conversion, they still got a FG later on which would have made it 18-17 after Dallas's touchdown that made it 17-16. Either way, they lose the game on Dallas's FG. But who knows how the game would have played out if they just had it tied the whole time instead of being down 17-16?

Coaching makes no sense to me sometimes...

[YoungJRNY]

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

You do know that even if SF scores that TD that Baltimore won by more than a TD, right? I agree with you that it was a bad call (as were several others), but it's fucking absurd to say that was "the play" that cost the 49'ers the game. That play happened early in the game, and the Niners couldn't move the ball, AT ALL during that game last night! They weren't winning that game with or without that TD!

Talking about "costing the game," how about Miami not going for 2 when it scored the TD to make it 15-10 (with extra point it ended up being 16-10 instead of 17-10)? I was going nuts at that point, and sure enough, it fucked them. Hell, even if they had missed the 2 point conversion, they still got a FG later on which would have made it 18-17 after Dallas's touchdown that made it 17-16. Either way, they lose the game on Dallas's FG. But who knows how the game would have played out if they just had it tied the whole time instead of being down 17-16?

Coaching makes no sense to me sometimes...

Say what you want about Romo, but he made some nice plays yesterday in the clutch after starting slow. There were multiple 3rd downs where he alluded pressure, stepped up in the face of a blitz and made a very nice play, especially to Witten (being butt-buddies and all.) Miami played tough though, was impressed how they came out and performed.

[Rick]

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

You do know that even if SF scores that TD that Baltimore won by more than a TD, right? I agree with you that it was a bad call (as were several others), but it's fucking absurd to say that was "the play" that cost the 49'ers the game. That play happened early in the game, and the Niners couldn't move the ball, AT ALL during that game last night! They weren't winning that game with or without that TD!

Talking about "costing the game," how about Miami not going for 2 when it scored the TD to make it 15-10 (with extra point it ended up being 16-10 instead of 17-10)? I was going nuts at that point, and sure enough, it fucked them. Hell, even if they had missed the 2 point conversion, they still got a FG later on which would have made it 18-17 after Dallas's touchdown that made it 17-16. Either way, they lose the game on Dallas's FG. But who knows how the game would have played out if they just had it tied the whole time instead of being down 17-16?

Coaching makes no sense to me sometimes...

I agree. That didn't make any sense at all.

[Enigma869]

It's called momentum, John....same thing happened to Detroit yesterday in the first half...Lions had 3 drives end on GB's side of the field, all 3 stopped by bogus penalties....

Dude...I know what it's called. I've been an NFL junkie since the 1970's. It doesn't change the fact that your comment about that one play costing the 49'ers the game is just plain stupid. Again, it was a bad call. No argument from me. But to then jump to the conclusion that the Niners automatically win that game if that TD stands is just plain foolish. I watched every second of that game last night and am supremely confident that SF would have lost that game whether that TD stood or not. Their offense couldn't get out of their own way last night and they deserved to lose that game.

[S2M]

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

You do know that even if SF scores that TD that Baltimore won by more than a TD, right? I agree with you that it was a bad call (as were several others), but it's fucking absurd to say that was "the play" that cost the 49'ers the game. That play happened early in the game, and the Niners couldn't move the ball, AT ALL during that game last night! They weren't winning that game with or without that TD!

It's called momentum, John....same thing happened to Detroit yesterday in the first half...Lions had 3 drives end on GB's side of the field, all 3 stopped by bogus penalties....

It's part of the game and always has been. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't. I think too many penalties are called. It's not the responsibility of the officiating crew to rebuild the team's momentum after a flag is thrown. They're professionals. If you let one penalty destroy the whole day's momentum, you're not a very good team. Not that day anyway.

Sorry, Rick...that's just plain wrong. How many times have you seen a team doing absolutely NOTHING in a game. four consecutive 3 and outs....less than 100 yards in the half - only to have things suddenly turn around on a prayer 75 yard pass that ends in a bogus PI call? There is absolutely NO place in sports for officials trying to become part of the game. Teams shouldn't have to overcome bogus penalty calls....

So what happens when the bogus penalty comes on the last play of the game? Or the last drive? Now when is the team suppsed to overcome it? Oh wait! Silly me...this is the time when the opposing view points way back to that 2nd drive of the game when team A failed to convert on 3rd and 12 - THAT's why they lost....if they had only converted then, or not committed that stupid drive-stopping false start.

You know what? You can't think like that....it is totally illogical. Now you may be asking yourself why the flip-flopping....I'm ragging on a 1st quarter bogus PI call, when I just said it is illogical to lean on that as a reason for a loss....well considering the final score - it could have made a difference. In a 45-6 blowout - probably not.

[slucero]

SF got outplayed on defense...

SF: 0 turnovers, 0 sacks
BAL: 1 Int, 9 sacks


Offense couldn't do jack....

SF: converted 17% on 3rd down
BAL: converted 47% on 3rd down

SF: penalties 7-97 yds
BAL: penalties 3-20 yds

[S2M]

SF got outplayed on defense...

SF: 0 turnovers, 0 sacks
BAL: 1 Int, 9 sacks


Offense couldn't do jack....

SF: converted 17% on 3rd down
BAL: converted 47% on 3rd down

SF: penalties 7-97 yds
BAL: penalties 3-20 yds

You can win a game 3-0...so I wouldn't blame the offense.

[S2M]

btw, i suggest every so-called NFL expert in this thread take a course in, or at least do some research on Game Theory. There is much more to a football game(or any game for that matter) than the final score indicates. I took a few course in college, and I can tell you without hesitation that 99% of the games lost in the NFL have absolutely NOTHING to do with the talent on the field...the games are lost in play calling. GB is not way more talented than Detroit....their coaches just call a better game.

Penalties do factor in...but they didn't in applying Game Theory analysis.

In fact, this analysis is so beneficial, it can be used in all facets of life....any time there is a decision to be made....

[Ehwmatt]

btw, i suggest every so-called NFL expert in this thread take a course in, or at least do some research on Game Theory. There is much more to a football game(or any game for that matter) than the final score indicates. I took a few course in college, and I can tell you without hesitation that 99% of the games lost in the NFL have absolutely NOTHING to do with the talent on the field...the games are lost in play calling. GB is not way more talented than Detroit....their coaches just call a better game.

Penalties do factor in...but they didn't in applying Game Theory analysis.

In fact, this analysis is so beneficial, it can be used in all facets of life....any time there is a decision to be made....

What does play calling have to do with the fact that Detroit's large-domed quarterback served up INTs on a platter all day long and their best D-lineman foolishly got himself kicked out of the game? Sure, the defensive schemes/particular plays on the INT plays might have partially led to the INTs, but still...

[YoungJRNY]

Another bogus chopblock call gave that game to Balty....75-yard TD pass brought back because of that bogus call. Officiating in the NFL has become laughable. You all laugh at me because I whine about the refs...You'll be singing the same tune very shortly.

You do know that even if SF scores that TD that Baltimore won by more than a TD, right? I agree with you that it was a bad call (as were several others), but it's fucking absurd to say that was "the play" that cost the 49'ers the game. That play happened early in the game, and the Niners couldn't move the ball, AT ALL during that game last night! They weren't winning that game with or without that TD!

It's called momentum, John....same thing happened to Detroit yesterday in the first half...Lions had 3 drives end on GB's side of the field, all 3 stopped by bogus penalties....

It's part of the game and always has been. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't. I think too many penalties are called. It's not the responsibility of the officiating crew to rebuild the team's momentum after a flag is thrown. They're professionals. If you let one penalty destroy the whole day's momentum, you're not a very good team. Not that day anyway.

Sorry, Rick...that's just plain wrong. How many times have you seen a team doing absolutely NOTHING in a game. four consecutive 3 and outs....less than 100 yards in the half - only to have things suddenly turn around on a prayer 75 yard pass that ends in a bogus PI call? There is absolutely NO place in sports for officials trying to become part of the game. Teams shouldn't have to overcome bogus penalty calls....

So what happens when the bogus penalty comes on the last play of the game? Or the last drive? Now when is the team suppsed to overcome it? Oh wait! Silly me...this is the time when the opposing view points way back to that 2nd drive of the game when team A failed to convert on 3rd and 12 - THAT's why they lost....if they had only converted then, or not committed that stupid drive-stopping false start.

You know what? You can't think like that....it is totally illogical. Now you may be asking yourself why the flip-flopping....I'm ragging on a 1st quarter bogus PI call, when I just said it is illogical to lean on that as a reason for a loss....well considering the final score - it could have made a difference. In a 45-6 blowout - probably not.

You wouldn't be happy unless they eliminate the refs and penalties all together. There's no happy medium for you whatsoever. Penalty is called, it's bogus. No penalty is called, it was holding when it should have been called. I think you're longing for a league that was once called the "XFL" where practically no rules were designed, which means no ref influenced Flags are apart of the game, whether when it's called, or when it isn't called. Teams are asked to play the game in the face of adversity regardless the situations. It's up and down, side to side. There's no easy fix for it. Ref's have tough jobs and for the most part, is incredible of what they DO see in game speed. It's 50/50.

There's calls that help teams, and calls that destroy teams, all balanced out with one call or another. Teams just play the game regardless of how many penalties against. Players keep playing, coach's keep coaching. They call as they see fit with percentages and anticipation. Make a play the next play or play smart. Simple. Can't rely on the ref to call, or not to call. You have seriously become senile with this refs shit. It's all gone to your head and you're looking way into it. Games will be decided as they lye, just sit there and except how it all plays out.

[YoungJRNY]

btw, i suggest every so-called NFL expert in this thread take a course in, or at least do some research on Game Theory. There is much more to a football game(or any game for that matter) than the final score indicates. I took a few course in college, and I can tell you without hesitation that 99% of the games lost in the NFL have absolutely NOTHING to do with the talent on the field...the games are lost in play calling. GB is not way more talented than Detroit....their coaches just call a better game.

Penalties do factor in...but they didn't in applying Game Theory analysis.

In fact, this analysis is so beneficial, it can be used in all facets of life....any time there is a decision to be made....

What does play calling have to do with the fact that Detroit's large-domed quarterback served up INTs on a platter all day long and their best D-lineman foolishly got himself kicked out of the game? Sure, the defensive schemes/particular plays on the INT plays might have partially led to the INTs, but still...

Football is mostly about preparation, reaction and anticipation than anything else. Defensive schemes and packages only take you so far. It's mostly all smoke and mirror's. Every player has an assignment and some positions are asked to show bluff. Once the ball is snapped, anything can happen on either side. One player can run a wrong route resulting in a QB sack or a player can run a wrong route and totally be beneficial regarding how the defensive reacts. On defense, a defensive end could totally mis-hear an audible and instead of the stunt being off, the end still stunts and the whole defense is mis-aligned.

Preparation is huge because studying schemes and packages endlessly narrows down a play whether it be 2 tight end sets or an I formation set with one tight end and that's where coaching comes into play. Putting these pictures in a players head on how to anticipate.

Once the ball's snapped, it's up to the players to make the right decision. Football is set up very cautiously and soundly. That's why I always took a liking to the game. So much goes into it but yet, can be simple if you understand what's really going on, not to mention just the overall one on one, athlete against athlete. Sometimes the defense or offense is at the right place at the right time but lose the personal one on one battle. That's when usually the QB or safety's get the finger pointed at.

[Rick]

btw, i suggest every so-called NFL expert in this thread take a course in, or at least do some research on Game Theory. There is much more to a football game(or any game for that matter) than the final score indicates. I took a few course in college, and I can tell you without hesitation that 99% of the games lost in the NFL have absolutely NOTHING to do with the talent on the field...the games are lost in play calling. GB is not way more talented than Detroit....their coaches just call a better game.

Penalties do factor in...but they didn't in applying Game Theory analysis.

In fact, this analysis is so beneficial, it can be used in all facets of life....any time there is a decision to be made....

I'm not any expert, whatsoever. But I do know that, whether we like it or not, officials are a part of the game. It's not like they haven't blown calls before. They've been doing that since the very first snap of the football. And until they can take the human error factor out of officiating, it's going to continue to be that way. There is nothing you, me or anyone else can do about it.

[YoungJRNY]

btw, i suggest every so-called NFL expert in this thread take a course in, or at least do some research on Game Theory. There is much more to a football game(or any game for that matter) than the final score indicates. I took a few course in college, and I can tell you without hesitation that 99% of the games lost in the NFL have absolutely NOTHING to do with the talent on the field...the games are lost in play calling. GB is not way more talented than Detroit....their coaches just call a better game.

Penalties do factor in...but they didn't in applying Game Theory analysis.

In fact, this analysis is so beneficial, it can be used in all facets of life....any time there is a decision to be made....

I'm not any expert, whatsoever. But I do know that, whether we like it or not, officials are a part of the game. It's not like they haven't blown calls before. They've been doing that since the very first snap of the football. And until they can take the human error factor out of officiating, it's going to continue to be that way. There is nothing you, me or anyone else can do about it.

/end discussion. This is why S2M should just let the games play as they lye. I mean, this ref stuff has seriously sent him to the 5th floor.

[S2M]

btw, i suggest every so-called NFL expert in this thread take a course in, or at least do some research on Game Theory. There is much more to a football game(or any game for that matter) than the final score indicates. I took a few course in college, and I can tell you without hesitation that 99% of the games lost in the NFL have absolutely NOTHING to do with the talent on the field...the games are lost in play calling. GB is not way more talented than Detroit....their coaches just call a better game.

Penalties do factor in...but they didn't in applying Game Theory analysis.

In fact, this analysis is so beneficial, it can be used in all facets of life....any time there is a decision to be made....

I'm not any expert, whatsoever. But I do know that, whether we like it or not, officials are a part of the game. It's not like they haven't blown calls before. They've been doing that since the very first snap of the football. And until they can take the human error factor out of officiating, it's going to continue to be that way. There is nothing you, me or anyone else can do about it.

/end discussion. This is why S2M should just let the games play as they lye. I mean, this ref stuff has seriously sent him to the 5th floor.

Are you suggesting I kill myself?