President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Rockindeano]

god forbid if we do cuz obama won't know about it. he is as naive & ignorant as one can get... arrogant as well.

the same can be said about his "followers".

LOL. Ok.

Naive? I wouldn't say naive. Twice as bright as Bush, very aware of wha is happening around him, and aware of the mess he has on his hands because of the clowns who just were booted out of town on a rail.

Ignorant? Not a chance. The guy is a reader and a learner from history. Contrast that to Bush, who would rather clear brush from the ranch, rather than read up on security briefings, and well, you get the picture...I hope.

Arrogant? How you figure? he is the president of the United States, the leader of the free world. So far he hasn't pissed on the Constitution like his predecessor, and doesn't practice reckless and irresponsible foreign policy, and engage in cowboy diplomacy like W did.

As for his "followers." you mean the 125 million people who voted for him?

Sounds like you are a little pissy because you lost the election. Get over it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I've never said that Clinton never did ANYTHING right. But he did also have the location of Bin Ladden after the bombing, and wouldn't give Special Forces the green light to take him out. I've heard a first hand account of that entire operation from the commander of the Special forces unit.

And when Clinton did launch airstrikes to go after Bin Laden, the GOP condemned it as "wag the dog" and the cries of "impeach" only grew louder.

He was also portrayed in Black Hawk Down. He had some pretty interesting stories about how Clinton got a lot of his men killed. They had captured 11 terrorists during that black hawk down conflict...Clinton ordered them to be released after they dragged our soldiers through the streets and tortured them. One of them was the pilot who flew the 1st plane into the twin towers. GREAT job Clinton!

Sounds almost as bad as the time Reagan cut and and ran from Beirut after 240 US soldiers were blown up.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Arrogant? How you figure? he is the president of the United States, the leader of the free world. So far he hasn't pissed on the Constitution like his predecessor, and doesn't practice reckless and irresponsible foreign policy, and engage in cowboy diplomacy like W did.

This is a leftover meme that Karl Rove and Co. started peddling during the campaign hoping it would gain traction.
It's code for uppity black.
I wasn't impressed by Obama's debut in 2004 nor was I rooting for him in the primaries, but I don't see how anyone can say he's been anything but a gentleman-statesman.

[The_Noble_Cause]

......and secondly, can you imagine pre-911 if either President tightened air security like it is now and "pre-emtpively" attacked the Al Qaeda cells in Afganistan/Pakistan? Holy fuck...some of you don't even like the notion of Pre-emptive attacks even AFTER 9-11!!!

Actually, it was the McCain camp and the Con posters on this very forum who went after Obama's Pakistan terrorist strategy, despite it being a regurgitation of existing US policy.
I don't know anyone, of any political stripe, against striking terrorists.
Even those in opposition to the increase in Afghanistan, voice their concerns due to the landscape's unforgiving nature.

[Eric]

......and secondly, can you imagine pre-911 if either President tightened air security like it is now and "pre-emtpively" attacked the Al Qaeda cells in Afganistan/Pakistan? Holy fuck...some of you don't even like the notion of Pre-emptive attacks even AFTER 9-11!!!

Actually, it was the McCain camp and the Con posters on this very forum who went after Obama's Pakistan terrorist strategy, despite it being a regurgitation of existing US policy.
I don't know anyone, of any political stripe, against striking terrorists.
Even those in opposition to the increase in Afghanistan, voice their concerns due to the landscape's unforgiving nature.

In other words, take yourself back 8 years to April 2001. Would you have supported W if he held a press conference detailing the hijacked airplanes into buildings threat and then heightended security on planes and pre-emptively attacked Al Qaeda bases in Afghanistan?

[Rockindeano]

And as for how I talk to him...have you actually seen what he calls people on here??? And who the hell are YOU to lecture me or anyone else on the correct way to talk to someone??? LOL That is REALLY funny.

No shit. But calling assholes assholes is a bit different than saying you are going to hunt them down and get rid of them permanently.

I am in a pissed off mood tonight and I am itching for a good fight, since the wife won't let me go tear up a bar, I am forced to take out on you and the libs.

This made me spit up my Coke Vanilla Zero.

Why all enraged? The Penguins got it done in that cesspool of Democrat Ilk, Philadelphia. You should be a happy boy.

[lights1961]

a quick pause here... just watched Obama's plane land in front of my office at the Des Moines airport... say what you want... but Air Force one is very cool!!
he takes military helicopter over to Newton today for speech.

back to regular arguements here.

[The_Noble_Cause]

In other words, take yourself back 8 years to April 2001. Would you have supported W if he held a press conference detailing the hijacked airplanes into buildings threat and then heightended security on planes and pre-emptively attacked Al Qaeda bases in Afghanistan?

Unequivocally, yes.
It was the residual good will from the job done in Afghanistan that made many of us (me included) trust him about Iraq.
Given that the NSA knew about the 9-11 hijackers prior to 9-11, who knows what may have been averted if all the intelligence agencies pooled their resources together and shared what they knew.
We also shouldn't have waited for the airline industry to self regulate and fortify cockpit doors.

[Eric]

I've never said that Clinton never did ANYTHING right. But he did also have the location of Bin Ladden after the bombing, and wouldn't give Special Forces the green light to take him out. I've heard a first hand account of that entire operation from the commander of the Special forces unit.

And when Clinton did launch airstrikes to go after Bin Laden, the GOP condemned it as "wag the dog" and the cries of "impeach" only grew louder.

He was also portrayed in Black Hawk Down. He had some pretty interesting stories about how Clinton got a lot of his men killed. They had captured 11 terrorists during that black hawk down conflict...Clinton ordered them to be released after they dragged our soldiers through the streets and tortured them. One of them was the pilot who flew the 1st plane into the twin towers. GREAT job Clinton!

Sounds almost as bad as the time Reagan cut and and ran from Beirut after 240 US soldiers were blown up.

BTW:
I love Reagan.....but I've read a lot about how scared to death that both he and BushI were of Islamic Fascists. By Clinton's and BushII's initial inaction you could say the same. It certainly was a problem that has stronger roots than most realize.

[Lula]

In other words, take yourself back 8 years to April 2001. Would you have supported W if he held a press conference detailing the hijacked airplanes into buildings threat and then heightended security on planes and pre-emptively attacked Al Qaeda bases in Afghanistan?

absolutley!! too bad w didn't pay attention to those silly little briefings w was given the go ahead to invade iraq on what i believe to be less. would have been a good move to thwart the attacks on sept 11.

[RossValoryRocks]

And as for how I talk to him...have you actually seen what he calls people on here??? And who the hell are YOU to lecture me or anyone else on the correct way to talk to someone??? LOL That is REALLY funny.

No shit. But calling assholes assholes is a bit different than saying you are going to hunt them down and get rid of them permanently.

I am in a pissed off mood tonight and I am itching for a good fight, since the wife won't let me go tear up a bar, I am forced to take out on you and the libs.

This made me spit up my Coke Vanilla Zero.

Why all enraged? The Penguins got it done in that cesspool of Democrat Ilk, Philadelphia. You should be a happy boy.

Ok...yeah the 'guins got it done...we had one of our dogs pass away unexpectedly and Valory was very upset, she cried herself to sleep...it makes for a VERY unhappy Stu.

I didn't say I wouldn't hunt him down and get rid of him permanently...He called me fascist...I said IF I was a fascist I would do so...but I am not so I wouldn't do that...I know it's logic and you get a little lost when I use logic, but it's ok...I understand.

[Eric]

In other words, take yourself back 8 years to April 2001. Would you have supported W if he held a press conference detailing the hijacked airplanes into buildings threat and then heightended security on planes and pre-emptively attacked Al Qaeda bases in Afghanistan?

absolutley!! too bad w didn't pay attention to those silly little briefings w was given the go ahead to invade iraq on what i believe to be less. would have been a good move to thwart the attacks on sept 11.

I'll take you guys at your word, however, I have a feeling had W taken over and done these things you would have been all over him.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'll take you guys at your word, however, I have a feeling had W taken over and done these things you would have been all over him.

Given that the preceeding administration, including Clinton's Counter Terrorism Chief Richard Clarke, would've backed such tactics, I think you are wong.
And the broad bi-partisan support for Bush's post-911 anti-terrorism endeavors all but confirms it.

[Eric]

And the broad bi-partisan support for Bush's post-911 anti-terrorism endeavors all but confirms it.

Well, after you suffer your biggest homeland attack in your country's history your priorities change. I'm not sure Pre they would have.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Well, after you suffer your biggest homeland attack in your country's history your priorities change. I'm not sure Pre they would have.

When it comes to national security, I think people are willing to give their president good will to burn.
It was only after Bush violated that trust pulling a Gulf of Tonkin that the bottom fell out.

[Eric]

Well, after you suffer your biggest homeland attack in your country's history your priorities change. I'm not sure Pre they would have.

When it comes to national security, I think people are willing to give their president good will to burn.
It was only after Bush violated that trust pulling a Gulf of Tonkin that the bottom fell out.

Okay, so...100%...you don't think that Al Qaeda being drawn into Iraq and losing there helped take their eye off our homeland at all? If you don't I fully respect your opinion after days of discussion...I just really feel that this indeed is what happened and we should trumpet the good (incuding Saddam being a terror sponsor and being dead) because our soldiers deserve it and I think it does tarnish what Al Qaeda accomplished 1993-2001. I don't say this with a partisan hat on at all...I firmly believe it. Good came out of Iraq despite their not being the WMD's that our (and many others) intelligence wrongly indicated.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Okay, so...100%...you don't think that Al Qaeda being drawn into Iraq and losing there helped take their eye off our homeland at all?

Possibly, tho it didn't seem to do the Brits or Spain alot of good.
I’d credit the wiretapping programs more than anything.
But that's not the point.
Iraq was sold as a grave danger, not a distraction.
Believing such an ulterior motive requires the administration to not only have been misleading about WMDs, but the quick occupation as well.
Grand conspiracies such as this, or the often suggested 'Iran through Iraq' one, just don’t add up.
By all accounts, Rumsfeld believed in a “light footprint” approach, and Generals that floated numbers for a long scale commitment, such as Shinseki, were dismissed.

If you don't I fully respect your opinion after days of discussion...I just really feel that this indeed is what happened and we should trumpet the good (incuding Saddam being a terror sponsor and being dead) because our soldiers deserve it and I think it does tarnish what Al Qaeda accomplished 1993-2001. I don't say this with a partisan hat on at all...I firmly believe it.

As I’ve said before, Vietnam is now a tourist spot.
Is anyone truly thankful the ‘domino effect’ didn’t happen?
Does anyone really believe that wasn’t a costly mistake?
These incidental consequences are notable, but the steep cost of blood and treasure just overhangs everything.

Good came out of Iraq despite their not being the WMD's that our (and many others) intelligence wrongly indicated.

I’m not going to get into the fact that France, Germany, Russia (and even our own CIA) expressed doubts about the intelligence, or the few shoeleather journalists in this country who spotted the fraud all along (McClatchey, Walter Pincus).
All that needs to be reiterated is that the UN Weapons Inspectors found scant nothing and Bush pulled them out.
For me, that speaks volumnes.
Throughout history, many wars have a casus belli that turn out to be iffy, but in this day and age of around-the clock-media such megalomaniacal deeds are ill advised.
I'm impressed they thought they could pull it off.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The facts are that Bush had a 74% approval rating in the run up to Iraq.

If anything, that proves my point.
After 9-11, the majority was willing to give the President the benefit of the doubt.

The Libs, led by James Carville, set out on a 6 year search and destroy mission on W.
They could not have an opposition party POTUS with a 74% rating, so they killed him at every turn.

So James Carville was responsible for Bush's 22% approval rating on his way out the door?
Who knew being the second banana co-host on 'Crossfire' yielded such power.
And it's not even on primetime!
Carville has been pulling strings for the centrist DLC for awhile now, but even they are toothless.
Bush needed no help destroying his own legacy.

It was disgusting to watch, especially the attacks on our soldiers honor. The media played right into it and still do today.

Speaking of which, a newly declassified Senate Armed Services report released today shows Bush blamed torture on the soldiers.
How does that make you feel?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/21/ ... es.report/

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey TNC...trouble on the home front....heads up!

Drama at GE shareholders meeting

Open hostility' toward execs over MSNBC's 'leftward tilt'

By Paul Bond

April 22, 2009, 06:38 PM ET

Things got testy Wednesday at the GE shareholders meeting courtesy of several complaints about political bias at its media division, NBC Universal.

Just don't expect to see the fireworks at the company's webcast of Wednesday's event, which contains prepared remarks from CEO Jeff Immelt and CFO Keith Sherin but leaves out their interaction with shareholders.

Just before GE board members were re-elected, shareholders asked about 10 questions of a mostly political nature concerning the viewpoints of MSNBC and CNBC, according to attendees.

First up was a woman asking about a reported meeting in which Immelt and NBC Uni CEO Jeff Zucker supposedly told top CNBC executives and talent to be less critical of President Obama and his policies.

Immelt acknowledged a meeting took place but said no one at CNBC was told what to say or not say about politics.

During the woman's follow-up question, her microphone was cut off. Later, during the umpteenth question about MSNBC, another shareholder's microphone was cut, according to multiple attendees.

"The crowd was very upset with MSNBC because of its leftward tilt," one attendee said. "Some former employees said they were embarrassed by it."

One specific complaint about MSNBC concerned Keith Olbermann's interview of actress Janeane Garofalo, who likened conservatives to racists and spoke of "the limbic brain inside a right-winger."

"They were upset that Olbermann didn't bother to challenge her," one GE shareholder said.

Immelt said he takes a hands-off approach to what is reported on the company's news networks, which prompted a shareholder to criticize him for not managing NBC Uni effectively.

"My biggest surprise was the open hostility to MSNBC," another shareholder said. "It was noticeable and loud. I don't remember any of this going on last year."

GE did not respond to repeated requests for comment.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/con ... c265de605c

Who cares?
Even with MSNBC's political shift, they still give Joe Scarborough 3 hours each day to spew his drivel.
How many liberals on FOX get one hour, let alone three?
Even Alan Colmes has seemingly had his parking pass revoked.

[Rockindeano]

Okay, so...100%...you don't think that Al Qaeda being drawn into Iraq and losing there helped take their eye off our homeland at all?

What the fuck kind of rationale is that? We need to start wars to get AQ's mind off of our homeland? Jesus Christ. What's next, start a war in Uganda, or Denmark, or maybe even Siberia? By the way, the "fighting em over there" card Bush played was the second if not third deviated argument, after first "Saddam has WMD's" which he didn't have, and "we are liberators not occupiers."

I just really feel that this indeed is what happened and we should trumpet the good (incuding Saddam being a terror sponsor and being dead) because our soldiers deserve it and I think it does tarnish what Al Qaeda accomplished 1993-2001. I don't say this with a partisan hat on at all...I firmly believe it. Good came out of Iraq despite their not being the WMD's that our (and many others) intelligence wrongly indicated.

I respect your opinion and think it's heartfelt, but I couldn't disagree more. The soldiers are exempt from any sane person's critique. They do what they are told, and aside from the asshole at Abu Graib, they should never be criticized unless they commit acts of rape and so forth.

Nothing good came out of Iraq. Sure we toppled a dictator who really wasn't a harm to anyone in the world except his own state, but ok, it looks good I guess. What we made iraq become was a quagmire, and ahornet's nest combined. We started up a bullshit war based on lies was drawn up by Bush, Cheney, Rummy and Wolfowitz in '1999. They were determined to get this war started. The only thing they needed was a "good soldier" who does what he is told in the name of America and the military chain of command(Colin Powell), a stage (The UN), and a quirky election result(Gore in Florida). The rest is history. Also, as a bonus, and I don't care what you fuckers say, a disaster on homeland, a crisis, (9/11), was perfect for them to execute this evil doctrine. The world sees through it, why can't the republicans of America?

[S2M]

All I know is he should be doing more to oversee the bailout money. The money was 'supposed' to be going to institutions to spark lending again....instead, it has gone to replenish stockholder's lost investments, and for executive bonuses.....all on the taxpayer's dime. Sickening. Really.

Last time I checked....investing came with some sort of risk. Risk of losing money.

[Rockindeano]

All I know is he should be doing more to oversee the bailout money. The money was 'supposed' to be going to institutions to spark lending again....instead, it has gone to replenish stockholder's lost investments, and for executive bonuses.....all on the taxpayer's dime. Sickening. Really.

Last time I checked....investing came with some sort of risk. Risk of losing money.

First off, Obama has or is attaching strings to the bailouts, whereas Bush didn't. He isn't overseeing the bailout, Geinther is- and actually, the banks are showing profits this quarter. Things are getting better.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Have you heard of the Geneva Convention Lula. You refering to when some of the military personnel made some of the prisoners stand naked and put dog leashes on them and that stupid shit? That's exactly what it was....stupid shit, but was it beheading, burning, cutting off limbs and raping?

Actually, sodomy, beatings, and death were all reported at Abu Ghraib.
Contrary to Limbaugh and the other Bush apologists, it was not a case of a "few bad apples" engaged in roughhousing.
The behavior was dictated from the very top and memos with Rumsfeld's signature confirm this.

Reported because they know people like you will read about it and then turn against America regardless of whether the aligations are true or not. Lets face it, the terrorists best tool is turning American's against America.

[The Sushi Hunter]

All I know is he should be doing more to oversee the bailout money. The money was 'supposed' to be going to institutions to spark lending again....instead, it has gone to replenish stockholder's lost investments, and for executive bonuses.....all on the taxpayer's dime. Sickening. Really.

Last time I checked....investing came with some sort of risk. Risk of losing money.

First off, Obama has or is attaching strings to the bailouts, whereas Bush didn't. He isn't overseeing the bailout, Geinther is- and actually, the banks are showing profits this quarter. Things are getting better.

I hope your right when you say that things are getting better. From what I see though, the only people things are getting better for are the people who have pending home and vehicle loans. I don't have either, but I still had to pay out my ass in taxes this year.

[Rockindeano]

What's all this shit directed at TNC for being anti American? Jesus Christ, the guy speaks his mind and damned near all of it is factual. The problem Americans have is they don't like to hear the fucking truth. We, America, have been a cesspool the last 8 years. Lying to our own citizens, lying to go to war, torturing others, etc.

It ain't all rosy folks.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Have you heard of the Geneva Convention Lula. You refering to when some of the military personnel made some of the prisoners stand naked and put dog leashes on them and that stupid shit? That's exactly what it was....stupid shit, but was it beheading, burning, cutting off limbs and raping?

Actually, sodomy, beatings, and death were all reported at Abu Ghraib.
Contrary to Limbaugh and the other Bush apologists, it was not a case of a "few bad apples" engaged in roughhousing.
The behavior was dictated from the very top and memos with Rumsfeld's signature confirm this.

Reported because they know people like you will read about it and then turn against America regardless of whether the aligations are true or not. Lets face it, the terrorists best tool is turning American's against America.

The Abu Ghraib photos were actually turned in by a soldier.
Way to support the troops!
And the best tool to undermine the war on terror has been Bush's own unlawful tactics, as it has rendered much evidence inadmissable.

[treetopovskaya]

leaking top secret info shows he is naive/ignorant.

his actions show his arrogance.

god forbid if we do cuz obama won't know about it. he is as naive & ignorant as one can get... arrogant as well.

the same can be said about his "followers".

LOL. Ok.

Naive? I wouldn't say naive. Twice as bright as Bush, very aware of wha is happening around him, and aware of the mess he has on his hands because of the clowns who just were booted out of town on a rail.

Ignorant? Not a chance. The guy is a reader and a learner from history. Contrast that to Bush, who would rather clear brush from the ranch, rather than read up on security briefings, and well, you get the picture...I hope.

Arrogant? How you figure? he is the president of the United States, the leader of the free world. So far he hasn't pissed on the Constitution like his predecessor, and doesn't practice reckless and irresponsible foreign policy, and engage in cowboy diplomacy like W did.

As for his "followers." you mean the 125 million people who voted for him?

Sounds like you are a little pissy because you lost the election. Get over it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

leaking top secret info shows he is naive/ignorant.

The President didn't leak, he declassified, as is his perogative.

..his actions show his arrogance.

In other words, Deano was right. You've got nothin.

[Rockindeano]

Speaking of which, a newly declassified Senate Armed Services report released today shows Bush blamed torture on the soldiers.
How does that make you feel?
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/21/ ... es.report/

this is sickening

[treetopovskaya]

ok... he made public classified (top secret) info. not a very smart thing to do. especially since we're at war. he puts our country & troops at risk.

leaking top secret info shows he is naive/ignorant.

The President didn't leak, he declassified, as is his perogative.

..his actions show his arrogance.

In other words, Deano was right. You've got nothin.