Olympic Bid for Chicago

[The Sushi Hunter]

The current conflict in Iraq and Afghanistan is screwed up just like Nam and Korea was. Any conflict where we go in and try and sort the good from the bad will end like Nam did, because you just can't go in and do that type of thing successfully. I actually was in the first Persian Gulf War and that one went smooth like clockwork cause we weren't there to sort out the good from the bad, we were there with the one set objective and that was to push the Iraqi's out of Kuwait and back into Iraq. And it was done in less than two months time. We beat the Japanese in WWII only because we weren't trying to sort out the good from the bad. Had we went up against the JNs with the objective to sort out the good from the bad, we'd of lost to the Japanese in WWII.

However, in the 91' PGW, it all wasn't a happy ending because we rendered Saddam's military useless and from the point forward until 9-11, all the shit birds that the Russians were fighting against in Afghanistan for ten years trickled into Iraq to train. Saddam had no choice in the matter really but to accommodate them since we fucked up his national defenses in PG I. And yeah, Saddam was not a good leader of that country. But now that he's gone, it's a vacuum over there and there's a serious chance that a religious extremist will take his place. And that could lead to bigger problems down the road actually then if Saddam was still there.

[treetopovskaya]

oops pardon me-

now his predecessor has to deal with it.

tree-
kids playing outside and folks waving to the troops is not what i mean. people have gone without electricity and running water because we destroyed the infrastructure. it is more dangerous for locals now than before, especially any people willing to work with the u.s. kidnapping of brothers and fathers is common place. you're right there is so much the media does not show us.

sorry but bullshit.

i'll be sure to pass your comment along to my sister's next door neighbors

https://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/portal/ ... ema=PORTAL

[RedWingFan]

oops pardon me-

now his predecessor has to deal with it.

Bush's predecessor was Clinton, and he refused to deal with Hussein aside from send in a couple of missles (about the time he was to testify about the Lewinsky affair.) He had to make it look like he was getting more than one "job" taken care of.

[The Sushi Hunter]

oops pardon me-

now his predecessor has to deal with it.

Bush's predecessor was Clinton, and he refused to deal with Hussein aside from send in a couple of missles (about the time he was to testify about the Lewinsky affair.) He had to make it look like he was getting more than one "job" taken care of.

Yeah that's hillarious, most Dems are completely mum to the fact that Bill was having sex with an intern in the fucking oval office. They won't even admit it. Don't forget the disaster in Somolia. But then what can we logically expect from a draft dodger who never spend a day in the military but orders up a to-go order of military action?

[hoagiepete]

Correct me if I am wrong, but things were fucked up in Iraq long before the US invaded. Wasn't the infrastructure there in complete disrepair long before the invasion?

Isn't blaming GW for everything ever going to get old?

Regarding the Olympics...we had the Olympics in the past 2 decades...Atlanta and Salt Lake. How often should we get them? Come on folks! I guess another entitlement.

[Rockindeano]

Correct me if I am wrong, but things were fucked up in Iraq long before the US invaded. Wasn't the infrastructure there in complete disrepair long before the invasion?

Isn't blaming GW for everything ever going to get old?

Sorry, Iraq is soley George W Bush's fault. No way around it. You say isn't it getting old blaming GWB? In the same breath you blame apparently blame Clinton. ??

How many times has that administration changed it's reason for going in there? First it was WMD. Oops, mope. Next it was to promote capitalism and or democracy. Oops. Then is was regional stability. Oops. Then it was a 9/11 connection. Wrong again. Now Obama has to fix that fucking mess.

Hey I was there already. I was in the first war. Treetop has no fucking clue what she is talking about. Sure there are some waving to our boys, but that is few and far between. Keep watching Hannity and Beck Treetalk. You're pathetically much more stupid for it.

Pete, you go see the Boss?

[treetopovskaya]

fine... i'm stupid.

*rolls eyes*

i'd rather be dumb than a shitty ass person like you are fucktartdeano. at least i don't belittle (or demonize) "friends" who reached out to me. took time off from their life (work) to be there for me & my family. you are truly pathetic. i'm still embarrassed to have ever considered you a friend.

[treetopovskaya]

Correct me if I am wrong, but things were fucked up in Iraq long before the US invaded. Wasn't the infrastructure there in complete disrepair long before the invasion?

Isn't blaming GW for everything ever going to get old?

Sorry, Iraq is soley George W Bush's fault. No way around it. You say isn't it getting old blaming GWB? In the same breath you blame apparently blame Clinton. ??

How many times has that administration changed it's reason for going in there? First it was WMD. Oops, mope. Next it was to promote capitalism and or democracy. Oops. Then is was regional stability. Oops. Then it was a 9/11 connection. Wrong again. Now Obama has to fix that fucking mess.

Hey I was there already. I was in the first war. Treetop has no fucking clue what she is talking about. Sure there are some waving to our boys, but that is few and far between. Keep watching Hannity and Beck Treetalk. You're pathetically much more stupid for it.

Pete, you go see the Boss?

where did he blame clinton?

[hoagiepete]

Correct me if I am wrong, but things were fucked up in Iraq long before the US invaded. Wasn't the infrastructure there in complete disrepair long before the invasion?

Isn't blaming GW for everything ever going to get old?

Sorry, Iraq is soley George W Bush's fault. No way around it. You say isn't it getting old blaming GWB? In the same breath you blame apparently blame Clinton. ??

How many times has that administration changed it's reason for going in there? First it was WMD. Oops, mope. Next it was to promote capitalism and or democracy. Oops. Then is was regional stability. Oops. Then it was a 9/11 connection. Wrong again. Now Obama has to fix that fucking mess.

Hey I was there already. I was in the first war. Treetop has no fucking clue what she is talking about. Sure there are some waving to our boys, but that is few and far between. Keep watching Hannity and Beck Treetalk. You're pathetically much more stupid for it.

Pete, you go see the Boss?

I was not blaming Clinton at all. Saddam had his own country run into the ground. Infrastructure sucked. Can't blame US for blowing it up.

All I know is I had buddies in Kuwait during Clinton's regime, waiting for the shit to hit the fan in Iraq. It didn't happen until GW, but they were prepared long before. Not sure why that never is brought up.

Boss, 10/26 in KC. I'm trying to figure out how to make it happen. Road trip???? Power & Light District and KC BBQ is hard to beat.

[treetopovskaya]

https://www.rebuilding-iraq.net/portal/ ... ema=PORTAL

[The Sushi Hunter]

Correct me if I am wrong, but things were fucked up in Iraq long before the US invaded. Wasn't the infrastructure there in complete disrepair long before the invasion?

Isn't blaming GW for everything ever going to get old?

Sorry, Iraq is soley George W Bush's fault. No way around it. You say isn't it getting old blaming GWB? In the same breath you blame apparently blame Clinton. ??

How many times has that administration changed it's reason for going in there? First it was WMD. Oops, mope. Next it was to promote capitalism and or democracy. Oops. Then is was regional stability. Oops. Then it was a 9/11 connection. Wrong again. Now Obama has to fix that fucking mess.

Hey I was there already. I was in the first war. Treetop has no fucking clue what she is talking about. Sure there are some waving to our boys, but that is few and far between. Keep watching Hannity and Beck Treetalk. You're pathetically much more stupid for it.

Pete, you go see the Boss?

I was not blaming Clinton at all. Saddam had his own country run into the ground. Infrastructure sucked. Can't blame US for blowing it up.

All I know is I had buddies in Kuwait during Clinton's regime, waiting for the shit to hit the fan in Iraq. It didn't happen until GW, but they were prepared long before. Not sure why that never is brought up.

Boss, 10/26 in KC. I'm trying to figure out how to make it happen. Road trip???? Power & Light District and KC BBQ is hard to beat.

Well, America backed Saddam during the years they were fighting against Iran, which was way before any of the Bush family came into office. Back then, the U.S. was providing lots of equipment to Iraq for their military. The earliest we got clues that something was really wrong in Iraq was near the end of 87', about October of that year.

The beginning of the end for Saddam was when he publically held up three red hocky puck sized items which were nuclear detonators and saying he had the rest of the bombs in his arsonal.

Sure it's sweet to say that Bush went in and didn't find any WMD. But had he not gone in and then WMD were used, people would have been pissed that Bush didn't act upon it before it happened. It's a lose lose situation for that reason, damned if he did, damned if he didn't. But has anyone ever thought that the WMD were actually all the fucking terrorists that we've neutralized over there? Where is it written that a WMD has to be made from metal, steal, an explosive payload, etc. I consider these terrorists WMD of flesh and bone. They want to kill, that's what they train to do and they successfully did so on 9-11. That's what the weapons of choice were in the 9-11 terrorist attack, something like 20 individuals were the WMD and they took American planes taking off on American soil and utilized them to carry out their plan. One plane is hard enough, they got four planes. They meant business.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Isn't blaming GW for everything ever going to get old?

Unfortunately that's like asking a retard if being retarded is ever going to get old. Or asking Michael Moore if looking like 300 pounds of chewed bubblegum is ever going to get old.

[Lula]

don't kid yourself about the invasion of iraq. yeah, it's great saddam is gone. i know people who have family in iraq and it has been a mess to say the least. there was no reason whatsoever to invade when we did, unless you know of some inside politically motivated reason. bush created a clusterfuck and now his successor has deal with it.

everyone has a story. i know someone who went to iraq & was very surprised to see what they're NOT showing on tv. kids playing outside... smiling & going to school... people waving when our guys go by.

i go by what real people say to their families over here regarding the state of their country. having to go to market daily because power to keep food was often available for one hour a day, same goes for air conditioners. i'm so tired i better go to bed rather than post as i did the other night, i can't keep my thoughts straight.

[treetopovskaya]

Correct me if I am wrong, but things were fucked up in Iraq long before the US invaded. Wasn't the infrastructure there in complete disrepair long before the invasion?

Isn't blaming GW for everything ever going to get old?

Sorry, Iraq is soley George W Bush's fault. No way around it. You say isn't it getting old blaming GWB? In the same breath you blame apparently blame Clinton. ??

How many times has that administration changed it's reason for going in there? First it was WMD. Oops, mope. Next it was to promote capitalism and or democracy. Oops. Then is was regional stability. Oops. Then it was a 9/11 connection. Wrong again. Now Obama has to fix that fucking mess.

Hey I was there already. I was in the first war. Treetop has no fucking clue what she is talking about. Sure there are some waving to our boys, but that is few and far between. Keep watching Hannity and Beck Treetalk. You're pathetically much more stupid for it.

Pete, you go see the Boss?

I was not blaming Clinton at all. Saddam had his own country run into the ground. Infrastructure sucked. Can't blame US for blowing it up.

All I know is I had buddies in Kuwait during Clinton's regime, waiting for the shit to hit the fan in Iraq. It didn't happen until GW, but they were prepared long before. Not sure why that never is brought up.

Boss, 10/26 in KC. I'm trying to figure out how to make it happen. Road trip???? Power & Light District and KC BBQ is hard to beat.

Well, America backed Saddam during the years they were fighting against Iran, which was way before any of the Bush family came into office. Back then, the U.S. was providing lots of equipment to Iraq for their military. The earliest we got clues that something was really wrong in Iraq was near the end of 87', about October of that year.

The beginning of the end for Saddam was when he publically held up three red hocky puck sized items which were nuclear detonators and saying he had the rest of the bombs in his arsonal.

Sure it's sweet to say that Bush went in and didn't find any WMD. But had he not gone in and then WMD were used, people would have been pissed that Bush didn't act upon it before it happened. It's a lose lose situation for that reason, damned if he did, damned if he didn't. But has anyone ever thought that the WMD were actually all the fucking terrorists that we've neutralized over there? Where is it written that a WMD has to be made from metal, steal, an explosive payload, etc. I consider these terrorists WMD of flesh and bone. They want to kill, that's what they train to do and they successfully did so on 9-11. That's what the weapons of choice were in the 9-11 terrorist attack, something like 20 individuals were the WMD and they took American planes taking off on American soil and utilized them to carry out their plan. One plane is hard enough, they got four planes. They meant business.

+1

[treetopovskaya]

don't kid yourself about the invasion of iraq. yeah, it's great saddam is gone. i know people who have family in iraq and it has been a mess to say the least. there was no reason whatsoever to invade when we did, unless you know of some inside politically motivated reason. bush created a clusterfuck and now his successor has deal with it.

everyone has a story. i know someone who went to iraq & was very surprised to see what they're NOT showing on tv. kids playing outside... smiling & going to school... people waving when our guys go by.

i go by what real people say to their families over here regarding the state of their country. having to go to market daily because power to keep food was often available for one hour a day, same goes for air conditioners. i'm so tired i better go to bed rather than post as i did the other night, i can't keep my thoughts straight.

real people?

[Lula]

don't kid yourself about the invasion of iraq. yeah, it's great saddam is gone. i know people who have family in iraq and it has been a mess to say the least. there was no reason whatsoever to invade when we did, unless you know of some inside politically motivated reason. bush created a clusterfuck and now his successor has deal with it.

everyone has a story. i know someone who went to iraq & was very surprised to see what they're NOT showing on tv. kids playing outside... smiling & going to school... people waving when our guys go by.

i go by what real people say to their families over here regarding the state of their country. having to go to market daily because power to keep food was often available for one hour a day, same goes for air conditioners. i'm so tired i better go to bed rather than post as i did the other night, i can't keep my thoughts straight.

real people?

real people as real, in the flesh, that are from, have lived, or spent time in iraq people, not a talking head on the television.

[treetopovskaya]

don't kid yourself about the invasion of iraq. yeah, it's great saddam is gone. i know people who have family in iraq and it has been a mess to say the least. there was no reason whatsoever to invade when we did, unless you know of some inside politically motivated reason. bush created a clusterfuck and now his successor has deal with it.

everyone has a story. i know someone who went to iraq & was very surprised to see what they're NOT showing on tv. kids playing outside... smiling & going to school... people waving when our guys go by.

i go by what real people say to their families over here regarding the state of their country. having to go to market daily because power to keep food was often available for one hour a day, same goes for air conditioners. i'm so tired i better go to bed rather than post as i did the other night, i can't keep my thoughts straight.

real people?

real people as real, in the flesh, that are from, have lived, or spent time in iraq people, not a talking head on the television.

are you saying the guy i talked to who went to iraq is not real?

[treetopovskaya]

oops pardon me-

now his predecessor has to deal with it.

tree-
kids playing outside and folks waving to the troops is not what i mean. people have gone without electricity and running water because we destroyed the infrastructure. it is more dangerous for locals now than before, especially any people willing to work with the u.s. kidnapping of brothers and fathers is common place. you're right there is so much the media does not show us.

sorry but bullshit.

i wasn't questioning what you meant... i was telling you what someone told me... that is what i meant when i said "everyone has a story" & it's not always the same.

i said bs to you saying "we destroyed the infrastructure" because i believe that to be bs.

[Behshad]

oops pardon me-

now his predecessor has to deal with it.

tree-
kids playing outside and folks waving to the troops is not what i mean. people have gone without electricity and running water because we destroyed the infrastructure. it is more dangerous for locals now than before, especially any people willing to work with the u.s. kidnapping of brothers and fathers is common place. you're right there is so much the media does not show us.

sorry but bullshit.

i wasn't questioning what you meant... i was telling you what someone told me... that is what i meant when i said "everyone has a story" & it's not always the same.

i said bs to you saying "we destroyed the infrastructure" because i believe that to be bs.

Are you arguing with yourself, dear?? Thats what you get for hangin out with Phyl too much ...

[S2M]

Chicago was a horrible idea to host the Olympics in the first place....justice was served.

[treetopovskaya]

oops pardon me-

now his predecessor has to deal with it.

tree-
kids playing outside and folks waving to the troops is not what i mean. people have gone without electricity and running water because we destroyed the infrastructure. it is more dangerous for locals now than before, especially any people willing to work with the u.s. kidnapping of brothers and fathers is common place. you're right there is so much the media does not show us.

sorry but bullshit.

i wasn't questioning what you meant... i was telling you what someone told me... that is what i meant when i said "everyone has a story" & it's not always the same.

i said bs to you saying "we destroyed the infrastructure" because i believe that to be bs.

Are you arguing with yourself, dear?? Thats what you get for hangin out with Phyl too much ...

she just left & you can't stop talking about her. that's sweet b. };C)

[Lula]

tree, if someone told you of their experience i'd say that is pretty real. true, we all experience things differently. my sister's neighbors left iraq during the first gulf war. they both have family still there and have recently begun returning on occasion. they have shared many pictures and stories of their former lives.

remember the "shock and awe" campaign? the carpet bombing we did had quite an impact on the infrastructure.

i'm not going to keep debating this. i have objected to the invasion of iraq since the get go. you have your opinion and i have mine, with any luck the reality is at least somewhere in the middle.

[treetopovskaya]

Years of neglect under Saddam Hussein's regime, which has been aggravated by looters since the liberation of the country, has left Iraq with a devastated infrastructure.

http://www.usaid.gov/stories/iraq/iraq_snapshot5.html

http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/accomplishments/

http://www.usaid.gov/iraq/photogallery/

[RedWingFan]

tree, if someone told you of their experience i'd say that is pretty real. true, we all experience things differently. my sister's neighbors left iraq during the first gulf war. they both have family still there and have recently begun returning on occasion. they have shared many pictures and stories of their former lives.

remember the "shock and awe" campaign? the carpet bombing we did had quite an impact on the infrastructure.

i'm not going to keep debating this. i have objected to the invasion of iraq since the get go. you have your opinion and i have mine, with any luck the reality is at least somewhere in the middle.

Too bad you didn't have a neighbor that fled Kuwait while Saddam's Iraq raped, pillaged and looted it. So you would believe that that too was real!!!

[treetopovskaya]

http://www.usaid.gov/press/releases/2009/pr090506.html

[Lula]

so what's the deal here? (rwf & tree) do you people only care about americans? do you care about other countries and people?

[RedWingFan]

so what's the deal here? (rwf & tree) do you people only care about americans? do you care about other countries and people?

Kuwaitis are Americans?

[Lula]

tree, if someone told you of their experience i'd say that is pretty real. true, we all experience things differently. my sister's neighbors left iraq during the first gulf war. they both have family still there and have recently begun returning on occasion. they have shared many pictures and stories of their former lives.

remember the "shock and awe" campaign? the carpet bombing we did had quite an impact on the infrastructure.

i'm not going to keep debating this. i have objected to the invasion of iraq since the get go. you have your opinion and i have mine, with any luck the reality is at least somewhere in the middle.

Too bad you didn't have a neighbor that fled Kuwait while Saddam's Iraq raped, pillaged and looted it. So you would believe that that too was real!!!

why do you have to be such a jerk? i never denied iraq's invasion of kuwait.

[Lula]

so what's the deal here? (rwf & tree) do you people only care about americans? do you care about other countries and people?

Kuwaitis are Americans?

huh? did i say that? i'm asking if you care about the well being of others besides those like yourself. maybe i've got too much cold medicine in me and i don't have my glasses on, but i thought i was clear.

[treetopovskaya]

so what's the deal here? (rwf & tree) do you people only care about americans? do you care about other countries and people?

what did i post ever to make you ask this question?