Muslim cleric caught sneaking into the U.S.

[Behshad]

Well seems like Beavis & Butthead are gonna redirect this to something we all discussed 2 weeks ago.

Well you wouldn't answer my question asking if Adams and Jefferson were as responsible for Muslim attacks as YOU CLAIM the United States is for 9/11.

Oh I did ? where ??? Nice way to twist my words again, Joe

[RossValoryRocks]

Yup, you can, and I wouldnt put it past you,
But any and all those tools were primarily made for OTHER purposes than KILLING. a Gun was made for killing, harming.(people/animals)
Plus , if the psycho in Arizona had walked in and started use his 5 tools from his shed, I dont think he could have cause the same kind of damage, before taken down.

Can we stick to religous persecution, redneckism, jihadists and the like...I am too tired to take on gun control tonight!

[Behshad]

Yup, you can, and I wouldnt put it past you,
But any and all those tools were primarily made for OTHER purposes than KILLING. a Gun was made for killing, harming.(people/animals)
Plus , if the psycho in Arizona had walked in and started use his 5 tools from his shed, I dont think he could have cause the same kind of damage, before taken down.

Can we stick to religous persecution, redneckism, jihadists and the like...I am too tired to take on gun control tonight!

Me too

[RedWingFan]

Well seems like Beavis & Butthead are gonna redirect this to something we all discussed 2 weeks ago.

Well you wouldn't answer my question asking if Adams and Jefferson were as responsible for Muslim attacks as YOU CLAIM the United States is for 9/11.

Oh I did ? where ??? Nice way to twist my words again, Joe

Look familiar?

9/11 happened cause of morons from both sides.

9/11 happened for the same reason as the "Musselman" barbary pirates were raiding our ships in the 1700's. Unless you want to try to blame that on those morons John Adams and Thomas Jefferson.

In the book ''Victory in Tripoli,'' Joshua London writes about the Muslim Barbary pirates. They attacked American shipping vessels in the 18th century, often boarding ships and enslaving crewmembers. Thomas Jefferson, then U.S. ambassador to France, and John Adams, then ambassador to Britain, visited the resident ambassador from Tripoli (modern-day Libya) in London to negotiate a treaty to protect American ships from Barbary pirates. Why, asked Adams and Jefferson, is your government so hostile to the fledgling United States of America? After all, we have no quarrel with you, nor you with us.

The Tripolitan ambassador told them – as reported to the Continental Congress – ''that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

[Behshad]

So stating that it happened cause of morons from both sides = putting the FULL blame on USA , moron ?!

That's what I mean with twisting peoples words , hombre

[RedWingFan]

So stating that it happened cause of morons from both sides = putting the FULL blame on USA , moron ?!

That's what I mean with twisting peoples words , hombre

Where did I accuse you of "putting FULL blame on the USA"?

I didn't. I quoted your "morons from both sides" statement and then asked if Jefferson and Adams were also responsible for attacks in the 18th century.

Both attacks in question happened for the reason below given by the Tripolitan ambassador. That's the common denominator. The only way we could prevent further attacks, would be to become a 4th century state that lives by Sharia law. Until we do that, I guess we have it coming to us huh? If most Muslims do not believe that. It's their job to find these extremists and deal with or eliminate them. If you won't do it, don't bitch and moan when we do or if some innocent people die as a result.

''that it was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as Prisoners, and that every Musselman [Muslim] who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise."

[Behshad]

Well seems like Beavis & Butthead are gonna redirect this to something we all discussed 2 weeks ago.

Well you wouldn't answer my question asking if Adams and Jefferson were as responsible for Muslim attacks as YOU CLAIM the United States is for 9/11.

Lookin familiar ?!

[whirlwind]

Well seems like Beavis & Butthead are gonna redirect this to something we all discussed 2 weeks ago.

Well you wouldn't answer my question asking if Adams and Jefferson were as responsible for Muslim attacks as YOU CLAIM the United States is for 9/11.

Lookin familiar ?!

Just explain who " the moron's from both sides" were that you were referring to.

[RedWingFan]

Well seems like Beavis & Butthead are gonna redirect this to something we all discussed 2 weeks ago.

Well you wouldn't answer my question asking if Adams and Jefferson were as responsible for Muslim attacks as YOU CLAIM the United States is for 9/11.

Lookin familiar ?!

Do you see the part earlier in the same damn sentence where it says, ....Adams and Jefferson WERE AS responsible for Muslim attacks as you claim the United States is for 911.

The "as" basically infers to "partially".

If I had said....Adams and Jefferson were responsible for... then that could mean complete or total responsibility.

Don't try to play the part of the victim. You did say that the USA was at least partially culpable didn't you?

[Behshad]

Well seems like Beavis & Butthead are gonna redirect this to something we all discussed 2 weeks ago.

Well you wouldn't answer my question asking if Adams and Jefferson were as responsible for Muslim attacks as YOU CLAIM the United States is for 9/11.

Lookin familiar ?!

Do you see the part earlier in the same damn sentence where it says, ....Adams and Jefferson WERE AS responsible for Muslim attacks as you claim the United States is for 911.

The "as" basically infers to "partially".

If I had said....Adams and Jefferson were responsible for... then that could mean complete or total responsibility.

Don't try to play the part of the victim. You did say that the USA was at least partially culpable didn't you?

Victim ?!

Yes USA was partially at part because of our politicians and leaders decisions,,, That's the way the other side look at it. Otherwise they would've attacked the Eiffel tower or the great wall of china.
We pissed them off , they attack ( in a cowardly way mind you) and killed bunch of innocent people.

What YOU see today as OPERATION IRAQI FREEDOM , they see as USA INVADING OUR COUNTRY. then they try to "get even " down the road and end up killing more innocent people.

[Behshad]

Well seems like Beavis & Butthead are gonna redirect this to something we all discussed 2 weeks ago.

Well you wouldn't answer my question asking if Adams and Jefferson were as responsible for Muslim attacks as YOU CLAIM the United States is for 9/11.

Lookin familiar ?!

Just explain who " the moron's from both sides" were that you were referring to.

Go suck on SPs left nut , psycho don't you have better things to do like rub one out to "Send him my love "

[RedWingFan]

Well seems like Beavis & Butthead are gonna redirect this to something we all discussed 2 weeks ago.

Well you wouldn't answer my question asking if Adams and Jefferson were as responsible for Muslim attacks as YOU CLAIM the United States is for 9/11.

Lookin familiar ?!

Do you see the part earlier in the same damn sentence where it says, ....Adams and Jefferson WERE AS responsible for Muslim attacks as you claim the United States is for 911.

The "as" basically infers to "partially".

If I had said....Adams and Jefferson were responsible for... then that could mean complete or total responsibility.

Don't try to play the part of the victim. You did say that the USA was at least partially culpable didn't you?

Victim ?!

Yes USA was partially at part because of our politicians and leaders decisions,,,

Okay, so my question was were Adams and Jefferson and the rest of the founders, also partially responsible for attacks back then? What did they do to Muslims back then? We hadn't invade anybody.
I'll tell you what they did. They didn't worship Muhammed. They were to be killed or enslaved as they were told by the Koran. That's why 9/11 happened. Trying to run interference by placing blame on others only enables them and it's offensive as hell.

[Behshad]

Well seems like Beavis & Butthead are gonna redirect this to something we all discussed 2 weeks ago.

Well you wouldn't answer my question asking if Adams and Jefferson were as responsible for Muslim attacks as YOU CLAIM the United States is for 9/11.

Lookin familiar ?!

Do you see the part earlier in the same damn sentence where it says, ....Adams and Jefferson WERE AS responsible for Muslim attacks as you claim the United States is for 911.

The "as" basically infers to "partially".

If I had said....Adams and Jefferson were responsible for... then that could mean complete or total responsibility.

Don't try to play the part of the victim. You did say that the USA was at least partially culpable didn't you?

Victim ?!

Yes USA was partially at part because of our politicians and leaders decisions,,,

Okay, so my question was were Adams and Jefferson and the rest of the founders, also partially responsible for attacks back then? What did they do to Muslims back then?
I'll tell you what they did. They didn't worship Muhammed. They were to be killed or enslaved as they were told by the Koran. That's why 9/11 happened. Trying to run interference by placing blame on others only enables them and it's offensive as hell.

Oh I see , so they attacked us on 9/11 JUST to get us to worship muhammad ?!
If that's what you believe then so be it. I ain't gonna change your mind. Make sure you get your head out of the sand once in a while for some fresh air have a great nite , TP

[RedWingFan]

Well seems like Beavis & Butthead are gonna redirect this to something we all discussed 2 weeks ago.

Well you wouldn't answer my question asking if Adams and Jefferson were as responsible for Muslim attacks as YOU CLAIM the United States is for 9/11.

Lookin familiar ?!

Do you see the part earlier in the same damn sentence where it says, ....Adams and Jefferson WERE AS responsible for Muslim attacks as you claim the United States is for 911.

The "as" basically infers to "partially".

If I had said....Adams and Jefferson were responsible for... then that could mean complete or total responsibility.

Don't try to play the part of the victim. You did say that the USA was at least partially culpable didn't you?

Victim ?!

Yes USA was partially at part because of our politicians and leaders decisions,,,

Okay, so my question was were Adams and Jefferson and the rest of the founders, also partially responsible for attacks back then? What did they do to Muslims back then?
I'll tell you what they did. They didn't worship Muhammed. They were to be killed or enslaved as they were told by the Koran. That's why 9/11 happened. Trying to run interference by placing blame on others only enables them and it's offensive as hell.

Oh I see , so they attacked us on 9/11 JUST to get us to worship muhammad ?!
If that's what you believe then so be it. I ain't gonna change your mind. Make sure you get your head out of the sand once in a while for some fresh air have a great nite , TP

Pretty much yeah, I believe we're called "infidels". What does that mean? Any idea?

[Behshad]

Who's "we". Americans. Or non-Muslims ?!

[RedWingFan]

Who's "we". Americans. Or non-Muslims ?!

non-Muslim Americans and non-Muslims around the world who are under attack. Infidels. What does it mean?

[Behshad]

Who's "we". Americans. Or non-Muslims ?!

non-Muslim Americans and non-Muslims around the world who are under attack. Infidels. What does it mean?

You seriously think that 9/11 was 100% about religion conversion , a Jihad , and 0% politics ?!

If this was just about converting non-Muslims to Islam , why here in US and not somewhere closer to their region ?!

[RedWingFan]

Who's "we". Americans. Or non-Muslims ?!

non-Muslim Americans and non-Muslims around the world who are under attack. Infidels. What does it mean?

You seriously think that 9/11 was 100% about religion conversion , a Jihad , and 0% politics ?!

Then what politics caused our trade vessels to be attacked 200+ years ago?

[Behshad]

Who's "we". Americans. Or non-Muslims ?!

non-Muslim Americans and non-Muslims around the world who are under attack. Infidels. What does it mean?

You seriously think that 9/11 was 100% about religion conversion , a Jihad , and 0% politics ?!

Then what politics caused our trade vessels to be attacked 200+ years ago?

How the fuck should I know if I wasn't around ? Ask Phyllis , she was there

[Don]

Weren't the twin towers chosen because it was though they were recognized by many Nations as a symbol of Western Capitalism?

[RedWingFan]

Who's "we". Americans. Or non-Muslims ?!

non-Muslim Americans and non-Muslims around the world who are under attack. Infidels. What does it mean?

You seriously think that 9/11 was 100% about religion conversion , a Jihad , and 0% politics ?!

Then what politics caused our trade vessels to be attacked 200+ years ago?

How the fuck should I know if I wasn't around ?

You were saying about "heads in the sand"?

[StevePerryHair]

Weren't the twin towers chosen because it was though they were recognized by many Nations as a symbol of Western Capitalism?

Yep! Political reasons but clouded with talk of jihad and infidels to put fear in people. They are all about using whatever they can to scare people. They brainwash crazy people into THINKING they are doing it for religion! Don't see any Taliban leaders strapping bombs or slamming buildings...do you? They are evil, twisted, and so smart because everything they want us to think, they are successful at. Look at how Americans react. They love it.

[Behshad]

Who's "we". Americans. Or non-Muslims ?!

non-Muslim Americans and non-Muslims around the world who are under attack. Infidels. What does it mean?

You seriously think that 9/11 was 100% about religion conversion , a Jihad , and 0% politics ?!

Then what politics caused our trade vessels to be attacked 200+ years ago?

How the fuck should I know if I wasn't around ?

You were saying about "heads in the sand"?

I don't claim to know EVERYTHING. There's been way too many battles around the world with politics and religion involved.
How is that sticking my head in the sand if I don't give you an answer about something I don't know about ?! I admit it openly that I personally don't know the reasons for attacks of 1700s.

In regards to 9/11 , I know one of the reasons was POLITICS. When BinLaden made a so called fatwa.
This fatwā complains of American military presence in the Arabian Peninsula, and American support for Israel. It purports to provide religious authorization for indiscriminate killing of Americans and Jews everywhere.

[RedWingFan]

This fatwā complains of American military presence in the Arabian Peninsula, and American support for Israel. It purports to provide religious authorization for indiscriminate killing of Americans and Jews everywhere.

So is this what the "morons" on this side did that you claim was partially responsible for 9/11?

[Behshad]

This fatwā complains of American military presence in the Arabian Peninsula, and American support for Israel. It purports to provide religious authorization for indiscriminate killing of Americans and Jews everywhere.

So is this what the "morons" on this side did that you claim was partially responsible for 9/11?

Morons in my eyes are the ignorant politicians and leaders from both sides , who start conflicts without realizing their risking HUMAN lives.None of these leaders send their own kids to battlefield.
If you think that our government has always been flawless and never done anything idiotic that has cost us the lives of our citizens , then you're a moron as well.

[conversationpc]

This fatwā complains of American military presence in the Arabian Peninsula, and American support for Israel. It purports to provide religious authorization for indiscriminate killing of Americans and Jews everywhere.

So is this what the "morons" on this side did that you claim was partially responsible for 9/11?

Morons in my eyes are the ignorant politicians and leaders from both sides , who start conflicts without realizing their risking HUMAN lives.None of these leaders send their own kids to battlefield.
If you think that our government has always been flawless and never done anything idiotic that has cost us the lives of our citizens , then you're a moron as well.

No one thinks our politicians don't mess up. However, that doesn't make them responsible in the slightest for the 9/11 attacks.

[StevePerryHair]

This fatwā complains of American military presence in the Arabian Peninsula, and American support for Israel. It purports to provide religious authorization for indiscriminate killing of Americans and Jews everywhere.

So is this what the "morons" on this side did that you claim was partially responsible for 9/11?

Morons in my eyes are the ignorant politicians and leaders from both sides , who start conflicts without realizing their risking HUMAN lives.None of these leaders send their own kids to battlefield.
If you think that our government has always been flawless and never done anything idiotic that has cost us the lives of our citizens , then you're a moron as well.

No one thinks our politicians don't mess up. However, that doesn't make them responsible in the slightest for the 9/11 attacks.

Well, they didn't really do a bang up job protecting us from it. Did they? There were SO MANY signs. So many that went ignored. I don't blame the government as in they are responsible, of course not. But they had their heads up their asses for sure.

[Behshad]

This fatwā complains of American military presence in the Arabian Peninsula, and American support for Israel. It purports to provide religious authorization for indiscriminate killing of Americans and Jews everywhere.

So is this what the "morons" on this side did that you claim was partially responsible for 9/11?

Morons in my eyes are the ignorant politicians and leaders from both sides , who start conflicts without realizing their risking HUMAN lives.None of these leaders send their own kids to battlefield.
If you think that our government has always been flawless and never done anything idiotic that has cost us the lives of our citizens , then you're a moron as well.

No one thinks our politicians don't mess up. However, that doesn't make them responsible in the slightest for the 9/11 attacks.

It doesn't make them responsible in our eyes , but "the other " side looks at it differently. They attack simply because they don't like our leader(s) and our policies.

When we don't like their leader , we go in and change their government ( Iraq / Afghanistan). They see it as invasion. So eventually they attack back.

[RedWingFan]

Then what politics caused our trade vessels to be attacked 200+ years ago?

How the fuck should I know if I wasn't around ?

Too bad Adams or Jefferson never asked them directly why they were attacking us...and too bad they didn't think to include it in the Congressional record. That doesn't give you a clue?

I think it's sad that you can't even bring yourself to admit the real reason we were attacked in the 18th century and bend over backwards for the same type of people that committed the acts of 9/11 by diverting blame to others.

[StevePerryHair]

Then what politics caused our trade vessels to be attacked 200+ years ago?

How the fuck should I know if I wasn't around ?

Too bad Adams or Jefferson never asked them directly why they were attacking us...and too bad they didn't think to include it in the Congressional record. That doesn't give you a clue?

I think it's sad that you can't even bring yourself to admit the real reason we were attacked in the 18th century and bend over backwards for the same type of people that committed the acts of 9/11 by diverting blame to others.

Seriously, WTF are you rambling about??? The 18th century??? I actually WAS schooled in this country and have NO IDEA what you are talking about! He can tell you that he didn't go to school in this country, so maybe he never got a huge course on American History. But I DID and I still have no idea. What are you 90 years old?