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Postby verslibre » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:23 am

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verslibre wrote:Warner's timing with MoS is kinda weird. It only had a week to itself before opening before a Pixar movie. WWZ isn't really competition for it (it only made $25M last weekend). MoS' domestic gross has already exceeded the total runs of Batman Begins and Superman Returns. WWZ will do a hard nosedive. That movie will require foreign markets to make back its budget.

What is the $25 M in reference to? WWZ made $66 M domestically over the weekend, well above what it was estimated to make. It's at $112 M worldwide .


Correct. I remembered $25M but that was Friday's opening. It did better than I thought it would but who knows if it will have legs.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:28 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Batman Begins, at first release, got the same bad-rap from fanboys and media alike.


Begins, as I recall, actually got rave reviews from fanboys and the media (Ebert gave it four stars, Entertainment Weekly gave it an "A"). There was even Oscar talk. I mostly hated Begins. Luckily, Jonathan Nolan helped Goyer with the scripts to TDK and TDKR, which were masterpieces. Problem with MOS is, it feels like Goyer did most of the heavy lifting.

YoungJRNY wrote:I think most peoples highest expectations were going to compare MOS's pedestal to TDK and that's just silly. First, TDK had the Heath Ledger factor AND the Joker, let alone, a sequel to a fresh new beginning with Begins.


Why is it unreasonable to expect a summer blockbuster to deliver the goods? The ending of MOS feels like the battle in the last shitty Matrix movie, with Supes and Zod, instead of Neo and Smith,flying through blurry CGI city office buildings. Zod's demise is also idiotic.

YoungJRNY wrote:It was simply the serious and edgier tale that was needed for Superman to flourish into a new franchise. The "fun" and "humoristic" Superman will be explored in the sequel. That was the whole point in that last scene. Clark Kent arriving at the Planet, which had a nice vibe to it. Though the same darker tones will be used, MOS2 will not be as edgy or gritty as the first and be more "fun." Superman needed to be takin' seriously. This was inevitable.


It was kinda boring, dude. I'm not saying that Superman has to turn into Roger Moore and make one liners. The movie just didn't soar. And the Planet ending was retarded. The film wants to subvert all of the old cliches and be modern (Jimmy Olsen is now a woman, Perry is a black dude, the costume is actually Kyrpton underwear with the "S" meaning the symbol of hope, Kryptons were genetic engineers) and yet, they expect us to believe that Clark can hide his identity with a pair of black frame glasses? Retarded!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:30 am

Problem is, anything under 1 billion nowadays is considered a flop, which is highly ridiculous. A reboot placed within a June summer market simply isn't going to pull in TDK or Avengers numbers. That's absurd and totally not even a fair assessment to crap on a rebooted Superman franchise. In reality, MOS is doing better than every superhero property except for the original Spider-Man, Iron Man, Batman and I'll give you Avengers. Other than that? MOS is above all of them.

Looks like Man of Steel will do 15-15.5 million this week. 18m over the weekend. and around 6 million +/- a few July 1st-July 3rd and then 12-14 million over the 4 day holiday weekend. Around 261-265m right after July 4th weekend and will finish with 280-290m overall (domestic.)

The highest CBMreboot Domestically of all-time. Expect MOS 2 and JLA or World Finest announcement over Comic-con. 600+ WW, just as much money as Iron Man.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:33 am

verslibre wrote:Here's the problem with that article:

“We had a decent opening so we learned there is an audience,” said Warner Bros. film group President Jeff Robinov, pointing to the film’s box office debut of $53 million.


Considering the movie's budget, that was a piss-poor opening. Flop city. Lower than Captain America and Thor.

Man Of Steel is not a flop. Not by any means. There will be a sequel and Goyer's and Snyder's deal includes one.


You've changed the topic. You said that the GL producers were only touting a sequel, if it hit some imaginary box office threshold. That was wrong. Even as it went down in flames, the Hollywood spinlords immediately tried to save face by announcing big sequel plans. If MOS continues to die at the US box office, expect either no sequel or a major franchise overhaul.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:35 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Problem is, anything under 1 billion nowadays is considered a flop, which is highly ridiculous. A reboot placed within a June summer market simply isn't going to pull in TDK or Avengers numbers. That's absurd and totally not even a fair assessment to crap on a rebooted Superman franchise. In reality, MOS is doing better than every superhero property except for the original Spider-Man, Iron Man, Batman and I'll give you Avengers. Other than that? MOS is above all of them.

Looks like Man of Steel will do 15-15.5 million this week. 18m over the weekend. and around 6 million +/- a few July 1st-July 3rd and then 12-14 million over the 4 day holiday weekend. Around 261-265m right after July 4th weekend and will finish with 280-290m overall (domestic.)

The highest CBMreboot Domestically of all-time. Expect MOS 2 and JLA or World Finest announcement over Comic-con. 600+ WW, just as much money as Iron Man.


Well, you're obviously in the tank for the movie and have your Superman undies on too tight. Dropping to #3 in it's second weekend does not bode well. At all. Especially being beat by World War Z which had very bad buzz and low expectations.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:51 am

Begins, as I recall, actually got rave reviews from fanboys and the media (Ebert gave it four stars, Entertainment Weekly gave it an "A"). There was even Oscar talk. I mostly hated Begins. Luckily, Jonathan Nolan helped Goyer with the scripts to TDK and TDKR, which were masterpieces. Problem with MOS is, it feels like Goyer did most of the heavy lifting.


I'm talking about the tone of the movie. Most claimed Begins to be too dark. Too gritty and way too serious for the Bat film on first call. I remember fanboys HATING on Begins before it standed the rest of time. I still think Begins is one of the best CBM's out there.

Jimmy Olsen is now a woman


That was one of the film's preconceived myths. She didn't replace Jimmy, was never called by her last name and the last name on her nametag wasn't Olsen. Jimmy will be casted.

and is an in Perry is a black dude,


Your point? Fishbourne was an awesome Perry. Him and Lois's interaction were superb.

the costume is actually Kyrpton underwear with the "S" meaning the symbol of hope


Pulled right out of the comicbooks, dude. I think that's a better, modern way to introduce such an iconic suite than just having Martha knit it with her bare hands.

Kryptons were genetic engineers


Pulled from the comic yet again..

and yet, they expect us to believe that Clark can hide his identity with a pair of black frame glasses? Retarded!


Not sure where you've been since 1938. That's a big part of the Superman mythos. Thing is, they didn't insult the audience or the characters intelligence. They still held true to the Clark Kent disguise, but it's widely obvious that not only does the people of Smallville know Clark Kent is Superman, but also Lois Lane would of seen right through those glasses anyhow, which is great because I'm sure a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist would connect the two. It's a modern tale going forward. The Clark Kent character within the Daily Planet could have some nice and fun twists.

Well, you're obviously in the tank for the movie and have your Superman undies on too tight. Dropping to #3 in it's second weekend does not bode well. At all. Especially being beat by World War Z which had very bad buzz and low expectations.


You can insult all you want, point is it did a major BO opening, one that WB did not expect or project it to be and did close to $130 million OW (projections were $70-80.) With the tough competition, the legs were cut off its second week but judging by the big OW, the legs should be more than enough to carry it close to $300 million domestic and $700 million WW, practically guaranteeing a sequel and some kind of a teammup movie.
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Postby verslibre » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:55 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Man of Steel will probably do around $300 domestic with about, $700 million WW cume when it's all said and done. Those numbers will be a huge success for this reboot, practically guaranteeing a sequel. MOS will NOT have a 71% drop off each weekend. If it continues to hold steady, it's going to be MORE than enough for a sequel and kickoff to the JL.


It'll continue to make money. It's a given. It's getting a lot of repeat ticketbuyers like with TDK/TDKR. Many peeps are watching it 4-5x. I've only seen it once but I'll get another showing in.


YoungJRNY wrote:Batman Begins, at first release, got the same bad-rap from fanboys and media alike. I think most peoples highest expectations were going to compare MOS's pedestal to TDK and that's just silly. First, TDK had the Heath Ledger factor AND the Joker, let alone, a sequel to a fresh new beginning with Begins.


What worked against Batman Begins coming out was that guys like myself were skeptical. We'd gotten one good movie, one "meh" sequel, one solid sequel (with Kilmer) and one abysmal piece of shit (with Clooney). Only that first movie has aged decently, though. I thought BatKilmer was good for the time, minus the Batnips and Two-Face acting like Riddler II.

And so I chose not to bother going to see Batman Begins in the theater. I wasn't familiar with this Nolan guy, outside of Memento (which I hadn't seen). When I finally see it on DVD, I saw what I had missed and honestly, I couldn't believe I'd seen a herofilm that was that fucking good. Beats the first Spider-Man for me, too, which I loved. And that movie was a huge deal when it came out.

YoungJRNY wrote:It was simply the serious and edgier tale that was needed for Superman to flourish into a new franchise. The "fun" and "humoristic" Superman will be explored in the sequel. That was the whole point in that last scene. Clark Kent arriving at the Planet, which had a nice vibe to it. Though the same darker tones will be used, MOS2 will not be as edgy or gritty as the first and be more "fun." Superman needed to be takin' seriously. This was inevitable. We have ENOUGH of Chris Reeve/Brandon Routh's bufoonery out there. Let a new direction be kickass, action and destruction and allow the fun to come later.


I don't know what they were thinking when they did Superman Returns, really. It was shot well and choreographed well (but kind of slow, which critics called "mature," LOL). It was just such a freakin' rehash and love letter to a movie that was nearly three decades old.
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Postby verslibre » Wed Jun 26, 2013 2:59 am

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verslibre wrote:Here's the problem with that article:

“We had a decent opening so we learned there is an audience,” said Warner Bros. film group President Jeff Robinov, pointing to the film’s box office debut of $53 million.


Considering the movie's budget, that was a piss-poor opening. Flop city. Lower than Captain America and Thor.

Man Of Steel is not a flop. Not by any means. There will be a sequel and Goyer's and Snyder's deal includes one.


You've changed the topic. You said that the GL producers were only touting a sequel, if it hit some imaginary box office threshold. That was wrong. Even as it went down in flames, the Hollywood spinlords immediately tried to save face by announcing big sequel plans. If MOS continues to die at the US box office, expect either no sequel or a major franchise overhaul.


Same topic, just adding to it. And yes, they were saving face afterward. However, right before it opened, they said they were ready to OK a sequel if it grossed X amount of money, which it didn't.
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The_Noble_Cause wrote:I mostly hated Begins.


You're the Antichrist! :lol:

The_Noble_Cause wrote:It was kinda boring, dude. I'm not saying that Superman has to turn into Roger Moore and make one liners. The movie just didn't soar. And the Planet ending was retarded. The film wants to subvert all of the old cliches and be modern (Jimmy Olsen is now a woman, Perry is a black dude, the costume is actually Kyrpton underwear with the "S" meaning the symbol of hope, Kryptons were genetic engineers) and yet, they expect us to believe that Clark can hide his identity with a pair of black frame glasses? Retarded!


Jennie Olsen is Jimmy's sister. LOL. Seriously, Goyer said that. So we still might see Jimbo. :lol:

So you were okay with Clark's black-framed glassed in Returns?
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:10 am

You also must take into account the merchandise as well. MOS, with merchandise such as action figures, tshirts, posters, what have you, almost made back its entire gross in just a few days and continues to be a marketing champion so that is to be included as well. Execs and partners alike claimed Superman is selling just as well as Batman, which is a pleasant surprise since the Bats comes with gadgets and Superman just........flies. The merchandise is strong and doing a killing.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:19 am

Superman is "as American as it gets." Haha. A pulp cultural phenom doesn't last 75 years without people not buying into his "retarded glasses!" I mean, that's a huge and fun part givin the Superman persona. The point is, nobody is looking for it. Why would this God lay-low to the ground and be amongst us and try to fit in with us? Though they COULD have pushed his hair forward at the end :lol: I was all like "D'OH!" but it was played off so nicely. Lois's face was great.. "THAT, is your getup, Smallville? Yeah, okay. We'll work on that."

I can totally see Lois rework the Clark Kent disguise. Thing is, these are still comic book legends. You NEED to suspend your beliefs somewhere. You can suspend your beliefs that Krypton has flying dragons, a man can fly and a billionaire emo-playboy dress up as a Bat but can't suspend your beliefs that an ordinary man can resemble Superman? Imagination people. Christ.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:25 am

YoungJRNY wrote:I'm talking about the tone of the movie. Most claimed Begins to be too dark.


You sound like Fox News, "Some people claim" or "Most are saying." Who are these people? As a singular moviegoer and a movie fan, the reception to BB was universally positive. MOS, which I think is slightly better than BB, has obviously divided fans and critics.

YoungJRNY wrote:Your point? Fishbourne was an awesome Perry. Him and Lois's interaction were superb.


My point is, Perry White is not a black guy. Never has been. I'm sure Jaden Smith will make a great replacement for Cavill in a few years time. Any interest? No? Well, just why exactly the hell not, YoungJRNY? What is your point? Are you racist or sumthing? :roll:

In order to look PC, Hollywood just loves making secondary characters black (Marvel's Nicky Fury, DC's Perry White, 007's Felix Leiter) but keeps the main characters as a white as a lily flower. It's a great way to throw a bone to black audiences pretending to be a bleeding heart, all the while making sure not to upset the heartland too much. And before you lecture me on how "Fury was black in the comics", save it. I am well aware. It was stupid in print and on celluloid. How soon till Willford Brimley gets a chance to play Shaft or Blade? I won't hold my breath...

YoungJRNY wrote:Pulled right out of the comicbooks, dude. I think that's a better, modern way to introduce such an iconic suite than just having Martha knit it with her bare hands.


That's great. Not my point. Like so many prequels/reboots, MOS is interested in explaining away alot of the mystique. These films can always answer questions nobody ever asked (Where did James Bond get his first tuxedo? Who made all of Bruce Wayne's cool gadgets? What does the S mean?) but then conveniently hides behind the same dumb plot holes. Care to explain why no one at the Planet recognizes Clark? Yea, let's conveniently brush that under the rug, but in the meantime, here's a fifteen minute scene explaining that Superman's suit is made out of a lightweight space age carbon fiber. Woo hoo!

YoungJRNY wrote:Not sure where you've been since 1938. That's a big part of the Superman mythos. Thing is, they didn't insult the audience or the characters intelligence.


You sound bi-polar. One minute you are promoting this film for the way it breaks free from old fogy past film/comic traditions, and now you are cowering behind them. The ending was laughable. After all of the film's attempts to ground the character in a more realistic world (think the 9-11 like demolition of Metropolis, with fleeing citizens covered in gray dust and Jane caught in a web of rubble and iron reinforcement beams), the filmmakers expect us to accept the fact that nobody recognizes Clark after a brief trip to Lenscrafters. All of these reboots are horrible.

YoungJRNY wrote:You can insult all you want, point is it did a major BO opening, one that WB did not expect or project it to be and did close to $130 million OW (projections were $70-80.)


I can assure you, WB is very concerned over this weekend's steep drop off. If it's domestic performance continues to nose dive, the franchise will be mothballed.
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verslibre wrote:So you were okay with Clark's black-framed glassed in Returns?


Returns had no aspirations of being a gritty real world reboot (minus the dumb single mom kid subplot). It didn't attempt to explain things. For the most part, Returns was a lovingly created homage to, and retro-blast of, 1980's nostalgia. Kinda like Journey's Revelation cd. Hah.
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Postby verslibre » Wed Jun 26, 2013 3:32 am

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verslibre wrote:So you were okay with Clark's black-framed glassed in Returns?


Returns had no aspirations of being a gritty real world reboot (minus the dumb single mom kid subplot). It didn't attempt to explain things. For the most part, Returns was a lovingly created homage to, and retro-blast of, 1980's nostalgia. Kinda like Journey's Revelation cd. Hah.


You had to remind me about Superkid. That movie sucks. :lol:

What's with sneaking in Journey references here and there? Don't you listen to other bands? :lol:
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verslibre wrote:What's with sneaking in Journey references here and there? Don't you listen to other bands? :lol:


I came to MR to talk about Journey initially. Back in the day, there was alot of crossover from Journey's official website and here. I can start throwing in toto, meat loaf, and foreigner references too, if you would like.
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The_Noble_Cause wrote:My point is, Perry White is not a black guy. Never has been. I'm sure Jaden Smith will make a great replacement for Cavill in a few years time. Any interest? No? Well, just why exactly the hell not, YoungJRNY? What is your point? Are you racist or sumthing? :roll:


LOL @ Jaden Smith. Gawd, no.

But here's the thing. Kingpin was never a black guy, but he is in the Daredevil movie (which is another piece of shit, but that wasn't Michael Clarke Duncan's fault). I guess Big Show (the wrestler) can't act and there wasn't another Really Big Guy who could fill Kingpin's shoes. Tony Stark was never a wisecrackin' silver spoon kid with more one-liners than Denis Leary (at least not till Ultimate Iron Man). That's all RDJ. But look what he's done for Iron Man.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:In order to look PC, Hollywood just loves making secondary characters black (Marvel's Nicky Fury, DC's Perry White, 007's Felix Leiter) but keeps the main characters as a white as a lily flower. It's a great way to throw a bone to black audiences pretending to be a bleeding heart, all the while making sure not to upset the heartland too much. And before you lecture me on how "Fury was black in the comics", save it. I am well aware. It was stupid in print and on celluloid. How soon till Willford Brimley gets a chance to play Shaft or Blade? I won't hold my breath...


Nck Fury & His Howlin' Commandos was Marvel's answer to DC's Sgt. Rock. Sgt. Fury didn't become black till recently for the Ultimates version of his character. Fury was modeled on Samuel L. Jackson IN the comics. Guess who's idea it was? Marvel's.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:I can assure you, WB is very concerned over this weekend's steep drop off. If it's domestic performance continues to nose dive, the franchise will be mothballed.


Nah, Warner is actually pleasantly surprised. They wanted it to make at least 100M domestically its opening weekend, and it beat that. Mothballed? No way. Not this time.
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verslibre wrote:What's with sneaking in Journey references here and there? Don't you listen to other bands? :lol:


I came to MR to talk about Journey initially. Back in the day, there was alot of crossover from Journey's official website and here. I can start throwing in toto, meat loaf, and foreigner references too, if you would like.


Foreigner's cool (Lou Gramm era only). How about Black Sabbath and Neil Young in lieu of? Toto ran out of gas a long time ago. Meat Loaf...yeah, I guess he's good for jokes. :lol:
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verslibre wrote:But here's the thing. Kingpin was never a black guy, but he is in the Daredevil movie (which is another piece of shit, but that wasn't Michael Clarke Duncan's fault). Tony Stark was never a wisecrackin' silver spoon kid with more one-liners than Denis Leary (at least not till Ultimate Iron Man). That's all RDJ. But look what he's done for Iron Man.


Well, I don't agree with any of these choices. MCD was physically big, like Kingpin. That's about it. As for RDJ, the guy is fast on his way to Johnny Depp-like self parody. Every movie is the same one note eccentric oddball character. There are reports that for Iron Man 3 and other RDJ films, they let the camera roll even after the take has ended to catch all of his supposedly "brilliant" spontaneous improvised one liners. In Iron Man 3, he had a zinger about the 1973 movie "West World." I think me and a wheezing 88 year old man in the back row were the only two people that *got* it. And it wasn't funny. If I were Marvel, I'd recast Stark. In Iron Man 3, RDJ exerted huge creative control. His wife co-produced it and RDJ even got his buddy, Shane Black, the job of writing and directing it. And you know what? Creatively, I thought it was weak. Like Steve Perry, (there's another Journey reference, Vers), I think RDJ may need to go.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:16 am

You sound like Fox News, "Some people claim" or "Most are saying." Who are these people? As a singular moviegoer and a movie fan, the reception to BB was universally positive. MOS, which I think is slightly better than BB, has obviously divided fans and critics.


These people are the same people who gather around the Journey forums and bitch and moan about Steve Augeri lip-singing to a pre-recorded track and claim party-foul. Fanboy communities. Forums. You'd be surprised how ill BB was received by the fanbase at first (hell, you got a Bat-fan right above you in favor of what I'm saying.) Of course, it held the test of time and sprung in a new age of comic-book movies.

As for the critics, that's one thing. This movie didn't meet their flow chart (drama, love-story, pacing, etc.) Being this movie headlined by a Zack Snyder film to begin with (a critical whipping-boy) this film was behind the 8-ball, especially coming off the of hideous love-story of Superman Returns (a critical success but an audience SPLAT.)

I disagree with the divided fanbase. Of course, fanboys of the silver age of comic-books rely so heavily on the Christopher Reeve-era and refuse to let go of it their vision of the character that was slammed down our throats for 3+ decades, but the audience response is rated much higher, in the "good-great" mixed reviews. Superman Returns had a 57% audience rating and Man of Steel has an impressive 82% audience rating and is rated an "A-" by other cinematic audiences.

In fact, the social-media feeds tracked over 100,000 responses to Man of Steel and the positives outweigh the negative reviews by a large 4-1 margin. The GA as a whole, loves and embraced Man of Steel.

The Twittersphere gave Man of Steel a solid thumbs-up on its opening weekend, with positive comments outweighing negative by nearly four to one.

In a total of more than 100,000 mentions, Man Of Steel received 58,000 positive comments and 16,000 negative via Twitter, with the rest neither strongly for or against.

In a word, nearly 11% of all comments described Man of Steel as “awesome” while around 10% gave the movie a simple “good” rating as the highest level of social media interaction for the film came in around midnight Friday (CST), within hours of its opening across the United States.

Our infographic offers more detailed analysis of Man of Steel’s Twitter engagement based on the types of conversations recorded – even offering a comparison between the way it was received by male and female moviegoers.


http://www.business2community.com/infog ... el-0531880


My point is, Perry White is not a black guy. Never has been. I'm sure Jaden Smith will make a great replacement for Cavill in a few years time. Any interest? No? Well, just why exactly the hell not, YoungJRNY? What is your point? Are you racist or sumthing? :roll:


Yep, I'm racist. :roll: Dude, I get what you're saying. There is simply nothing wrong with it either regardless of your argument. Marvel jumped the shark years ago and like I said, absolutley nothing wrong with Fishbourne as Perry White. If it works, then why bag on an argument for the sake of arguing the merits of Hollywoods direction in silver-screen casting? Doesn't bother me none. To me, it comes down to the best embodiment of the character and Fishbourne makes a fantastic Perry White. I don't get into anything else but that.

Care to explain why no one at the Planet recognizes Clark? Yea, let's conveniently brush that under the rug, but in the meantime, here's a fifteen minute scene explaining that Superman's suit is made out of a lightweight space age carbon fiber. Woo hoo!


Well, that entire concept could be explored within the sequel and different takes could form with Clark's partnership with his Daily Planet co-workers. There's no telling whether anybody at the Daily Planet will question that fact. Lois Lane was the ONLY one who had a face to face encounter with Superman and Clark Kent alike, so there is no reason for the Daily Planet to immediate recognize Clark as Supes. It's simply his mythos. A sequel could get interesting regarding this.

As for the suit, it's entertainment factor. Some people, especially younger fans who would want things explained, enjoy back-stories in how an iconic-suit came to be. It's simply apart of the comic-book mythos that were never explained on screen, but they are there within the pages. It's no different than billionaire Bruce Wayne spending a half an hour building the bat-suit or Iron Man spending countless of hours molding his Iron.

They didn't really spend that much time explaining Superman's suite. It was quickly said by Jor-EL and Superman mentioned it once in the interrogation scene. Nothing as big as your making it out to be. It's an origin story following a recent blueprints.

You sound bi-polar. One minute you are promoting this film for the way it breaks free from old fogy past film/comic traditions, and now you are cowering behind them. The ending was laughable.


Bipolar? That's rich. Not cowering behind the comic-book mythos. In fact, most of this movie pulls straight from the comic-books than any other adaption has done before. That was the point. This was an entire understanding that even though they were going with a more fresh approach and reintroduction of the character, they were still going to hold true to the source material and make it different, but yet, not entirely unrecognizable. That's FACT.


I can assure you, WB is very concerned over this weekend's steep drop off. If it's domestic performance continues to nose dive, the franchise will be mothballed.


You can assure me. Now who sounds like Foxnews? Here's the thing. MOS did a bombastic OW and shattered even WB's expectations of that total. It's going to continue to make money and should settle around a number that is MORE than good enough to require a sequel. There will be a MOS2. The DC Universe is, and always was, going to rely more on how that film performs. It will most likely set-up the new Batman character and the larger world around it. MOS is simply the ground being cleared, MOS 2 would be the foundation.
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Postby verslibre » Wed Jun 26, 2013 4:19 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:In Iron Man 3, he had a zinger about the 1973 movie "West World." I think me and a wheezing 88 year old man in the back row were the only two people that *got* it.


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The_Noble_Cause wrote:And it wasn't funny. If I were Marvel, I'd recast Stark. In Iron Man 3, RDJ exerted huge creative control. His wife co-produced it and RDJ even got his buddy, Shane Black, the job of writing and directing it. And you know what? Creatively, I thought it was weak. Like Steve Perry, (there's another Journey reference, Vers), I think RDJ may need to go.


Shane Black blew it (and probably blew somebody). No argument there. He doesn't get the character at all. It's like an unofficial sequel to the movie they did together, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

RDJ did make Tony Stark a household name, but I think it is time for a more serious guy when they recast the role. Or maybe they'll keep talking RDJ into staying with $$$. For him, it might be better to burn out than it is to rust (Neil Young reference).
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RDJ did make Tony Stark a household name, but I think it is time for a more serious guy when they recast the role. Or maybe they'll keep talking RDJ into staying with $$$. For him, it might be better to burn out than it is to rust (Neil Young reference).


Didn't RDJR just sign on for Avengers 2 and Avengers 3?
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YoungJRNY wrote:These people are the same people who gather around the Journey forums and bitch and moan about Steve Augeri lip-singing to a pre-recorded track and claim party-foul. Fanboy communities. Forums. You'd be surprised how ill BB was received by the fanbase at first (hell, you got a Bat-fan right above you in favor of what I'm saying.) Of course, it held the test of time and sprung in a new age of comic-book movies.


And Batman Begins still got a sequel. They knew The Joker would be a big draw (and we got far more than we deserved, to boot). That's why they begged Nolan to redo The Riddler for #3 and he said nope, doesn't fit my story. MoS not getting one wouldn't make sense, especially with over $200M in 2 weeks. It's going to be in theaters for a while.

YoungJRNY wrote:I disagree with the divided fanbase. Of course, fanboys of the silver age of comic-books rely so heavily on the Christopher Reeve-era


Those are the movie's biggest haters. Over on CBR, some douche is literally shrieking for another TOTAL reboot, complete with red undies. He wants Superman smiling at the camera eye as he flies by, and catching women and spinning cars and muttering "For truth! Justice! And everything ghey!" (Okay, that last part was a joke.) Dude's a Silver Age purist to the bone(r).

YoungJRNY wrote:MOS did a bombastic OW and shattered even WB's expectations of that total. It's going to continue to make money and should settle around a number that is MORE than good enough to require a sequel. There will be a MOS2. The DC Universe is, and always was, going to rely more on how that film performs. It will most likely set-up the new Batman character and the larger world around it. MOS is simply the ground being cleared, MOS 2 would be the foundation.


On the most heavily-trafficked movie site out there, MoS is holding at a very comfortable 8.0
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RDJ did make Tony Stark a household name, but I think it is time for a more serious guy when they recast the role. Or maybe they'll keep talking RDJ into staying with $$$. For him, it might be better to burn out than it is to rust (Neil Young reference).


Didn't RDJR just sign on for Avengers 2 and Avengers 3?


Yeah, they got him locked for that, because he doesn't have to be there all the time since he's not the only character. It's IM4 they're wondering about.
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After Avengers 3 & 4, I think they are going to say ENOUGH of RDJR's Iron Man character. There is totally no reason (well, other than $$) to tell more of Downey's depiction of the character. They have told enough of it already. Just like Bale's Batman. They said all they needed to, no reason to go into and turn the character stale. Which was why I was dissapointed with The Wolverine. I love Hugh Jackman, but I would of rather saw The Wolverine re-cast and movie in a more gruesome direction. Jackman's Wolverine said enough. I'd like to see a butch looking, short, stalky Wolverine with the hairy forearms come into fruition. That would be BADASS.
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Postby verslibre » Wed Jun 26, 2013 5:49 am

YoungJRNY wrote:After Avengers 3 & 4, I think they are going to say ENOUGH of RDJR's Iron Man character. There is totally no reason (well, other than $$) to tell more of Downey's depiction of the character. They have told enough of it already. Just like Bale's Batman. They said all they needed to, no reason to go into and turn the character stale. Which was why I was dissapointed with The Wolverine. I love Hugh Jackman, but I would of rather saw The Wolverine re-cast and movie in a more gruesome direction. Jackman's Wolverine said enough. I'd like to see a butch looking, short, stalky Wolverine with the hairy forearms come into fruition. That would be BADASS.


Yeah, they need an actor truer to the character. Somebody feral in appearance, not a guy with "leading man looks."

I don't get some of the peeps who want Jon Hamm to be Luthor. I think they're just Mad Men followers.

Nolan purposely distanced the second and third movies by eight years in the timeline. He could have easily made it three years (and I suspect it was closer to that at first), but he made it eight to make sure he'd wrap his vision of Batman with Bale and then drop the curtain. Bale also said no Nolan, no him as BatBruce.
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And despite Nolan's involvement with MOS, I've read in interviews that whatever incarnation of Batman shows up in this MOS/JL universe, it will still be separate from the Nolan films. Then again, Nolan has surprised fans before. Personally, I would like a Batman movie to come out every 2-3 years. Out of all of them, TDK and TDKR are the best. However, Burton's Returns has aged nicely. It's a unique baroque freak show of a movie.
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Postby verslibre » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:20 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:And despite Nolan's involvement with MOS, I've read in interviews that whatever incarnation of Batman shows up in this MOS/JL universe, it will still be separate from the Nolan films.


Yep. A new Batman/Bruce Wayne. Bale-Batman's universe isn't shared with other DC heroes. I just don't want anything like Schumacher's Batman.
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I don't get some of the peeps who want Jon Hamm to be Luthor. I think they're just Mad Men followers.


Remember Hamm being front and center to play Superman? There was a rumor back in '08 that Man of Steel was going to use a much older and polished Superman with no origin and the "Hamm for Superman" was amped up bigtime. Hamm did a little parody of his as Lex Luthor and fanboys enjoyed it. I just don't see him as Lex in the slightest but it would be an interesting choice.

Right now, the fanboy community seems to be in favor of Billy Zane (long-time fav), Matthew McConahay or Leonardo DiCaprio. Lex needs to be as charming and good looking as Superman. The presence of a leading man but at the same time, be corrupt and sinister as FUCK behind close doors that reeks jealousy of the Superman character and could pull off some nasty things to make a point.

And despite Nolan's involvement with MOS, I've read in interviews that whatever incarnation of Batman shows up in this MOS/JL universe, it will still be separate from the Nolan films. Then again, Nolan has surprised fans before.


Nolan made it perfectly clear that the TDK trilogy exists in his world and only his world, though, Zack Snyder seemed to put a spin on things. He opened all of this universe up for interpretation of this Superman potentially living in the same universe. This rung true with one of the Easter Eggs. When Superman and Zod are fighting back into Earth's atmosphere, they are seen destroying a satellite. On the satellite, was the logo of Wayne Enterprises, the same exact one used in Nolan's Dark Knight Trilogy.

However, Burton's Returns has aged nicely. It's a unique baroque freak show of a movie.


Still one of my favorite flicks, if not, my favorite CBM of all time. Batman '89 still gives me chills of awesomeness. Though, could you imagine if the internet existed then? Michael Keaton casted would of been stone and crucified on a burning stake....
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Postby verslibre » Wed Jun 26, 2013 6:41 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
I don't get some of the peeps who want Jon Hamm to be Luthor. I think they're just Mad Men followers.


Remember Hamm being front and center to play Superman? There was a rumor back in '08 that Man of Steel was going to use a much older and polished Superman with no origin and the "Hamm for Superman" was amped up bigtime. Hamm did a little parody of his as Lex Luthor and fanboys enjoyed it. I just don't see him as Lex in the slightest but it would be an interesting choice.


ThankGodThatNeverHappened!!! I wouldn't have even gone to see the movie with that poser as Superman. I don't want him near these movies.

YoungJRNY wrote:Right now, the fanboy community seems to be in favor of Billy Zane (long-time fav), Matthew McConahay or Leonardo DiCaprio. Lex needs to be as charming and good looking as Superman. The presence of a leading man but at the same time, be corrupt and sinister as FUCK behind close doors that reeks jealousy of the Superman character and could pull off some nasty things to make a point.


No to McConaughey (too laidback) and DiCrappio as Luthor. Leo doesn't look the slightest bit menacing. I've seen the Zane meme and I think he'd make a really good Lex. He plays a really good asshole...too good, maybe. :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:34 am

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MAN OF STEEL powered up $5.2M on Tuesday. W/ $219M total, it passed STAR TREK: ID as the #4 top-grossing movie of 2013.


5.2 million is a great number for Tuesday. I suspect the people who saw WWZ (same audience) will go back and see MOS over 4th of July weekend and MOS will perform steadily with the legs it still had to come in at a nice overall BO number.
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