2011-2012 NFL Season Thread

by **Don** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:24 am

The thing with Tebow is it's hard to spy on him with a safety or DB. You actually need to commit a linebacker to him. From the games I've seen, he has bowled over smaller backs when he goes straight up the middle. One thing I was impressed with in the Chicago game was that when he could have taken off for 5 or 6 yards in the fourth quarter, he actually pulled up at the line and threw the ball when he saw the backs playing too loose to guard his run. He wasn't doing that earlier in the year so he is learning something.

by **YoungJRNY** » Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:54 am

At this point, you gotta start wondering about the Broncos' playoff chances. They are favorites to win the division right now, and they'd of course have homefield in the first game. Could be a huge trap for whichever wild card team goes into Denver. Hell, if Seattle could beat the Saints at home last year, anything can happen.

Hmm. Just punched in the playoff scenario. If they started today, it would be the Steelers heading to Denver . I don't see that being the final scenario, but I could see the Steelers having trouble in this matchup. The Steelers don't put up tons of points (usually), Denver's D has been very good, and the Steelers CAN get tripped up by gimmick shit from time-to-time (e.g., Cribbs running the wildcat all over them in 2009).

I'd be glad to take a first round trip to Denver. Not one thing scares me about Tebow, not a thing NOR that offense. In fact, that offense plays right into the Steelers palms and how they want to attack teams. The #1 key to Dick LeBeau's defense is to stop the run first and don't get beat deep second. No way can I see Tebow score more than 7 points on the Steelers defense, who will mix up everything they have in their holster and force Tebow to throw into their disguise. No way is Tebow getting around Woodley or Harrison with Hampton in the middle and Troy over the top as a lurker/spy.

When you look at the Brocnos wins over their stretch, they've face some inept offense's that ranked amongst the league lows at the time. Sanchez and the Jets were dead in the water, Rivers was having a meltdown of epic proportions, Miami couldn't put together a good quarter of football and the Bears and Vikings offense is just as bad as anyone. The difference is the Broncos defense keeping their heads above water against some bad offense's, setting the stage for Tebow to work against a defense backing off late. I'd rather go to Denver than Oakland in round 1 if it comes to it, no doubt about it.

by **Rick** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 10:41 am

Fact Finder wrote:NFL approves 9-year TV deals with CBS, Fox, NBC

Posted on: December 14, 2011 3:50 pm

By Will Brinson

The NFL is a booming business and one that's set to continue growing exponentially over the next decade, thanks to the latest CBA providing 10 years of labor peace.

The business of growing began in earnest on Wednesday at the NFL owners meetings when the league announced a nine-year extensions of television agreements with CBS, FOX and NBC.

"NFL clubs have approved 9-year extensions of TV agreements w/CBS, FOX, NBC thru 2022," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello tweeted. "NFL stays on broadcast TV."

The new television deals will provide some changes to current coverage. For instance, CBS will begin broadcasting NFC and AFC games for the first time in the history of the partnership.

“CBS has been broadcasting the NFL for 52 years, and we are extremely pleased to extend our long-term partnership,” said Sean McManus, Chairman, CBS Sports. “This commitment is further proof of the valued relationship CBS shares with the NFL and of the overall strength of CBS Sports. The opportunity to add quality NFC games greatly enhances our television package. We look forward to continued growth as we broadcast the NFL for many more years to come.”

As a result of the extended agreement, CBS will broadcast Super Bowl L in 2016, Super Bowl LIII in 2019 and Super Bowl LVI in 2022, in addition to Super Bowl XLVII in New Orleans in 2013. Fox and NBC will also televise three Super Bowls over the course of the agreement.

The Thanksgiving night game, aired on the NFL Network since its inception, will be moved to NBC beginning in 2012, giving each major broadcast network a holiday game.

Additionally, the deal also provides for an expanded Thursday night package on NFL Network and the possibility for "flexing" games between Fox and CBS, the latter beginning in 2014.

http://eye-on-football.blogs.cbssports. ... 8/33867940

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I'm looking to find an article with some numbers in it.

That's some damn good news, FF.

by **Enigma869** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:38 am

Scary thought for Patriots fans this weekend. These are the numbers that sucky QB's going against New England's putrid defense have put up this season:

Chad Henne - 416 Yards

Ryan Fitzpatrick - 369 Yards

Jason Campbell - 350 Yards

Vince Young - 400 Yards

The Immortal Dan Orlovsky - 353 Yards

Touchdown Jesus up next :shock:

by **Enigma869** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:46 pm

Jacksonville versus Atlanta - Atlanta is a far superior team, and this is now crunch time. Falcons by 21.

by **conversationpc** » Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:47 pm

Enigma869 wrote:Scary thought for Patriots fans this weekend. These are the numbers that sucky QB's going against New England's putrid defense have put up this season:

Chad Henne - 416 Yards

Ryan Fitzpatrick - 369 Yards

Jason Campbell - 350 Yards

Vince Young - 400 Yards

The Immortal Dan Orlovsky - 353 Yards

Touchdown Jesus up next

I can see Tebow plugging in over 70 yds rushing and 250+ passing.

by **Enigma869** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:03 am

conversationpc wrote:
I can see Tebow plugging in over 70 yds rushing and 250+ passing.

All day long. You saw the names on that list who lit up the Patriots secondary. I'm still not sure what to make of Denver. They're clearly a playoff team, but, they've faced the likes of Caleb Hanie, Tylar Palko, Christian Ponder and Carson Palmer recently. None of those guys are NFL QB's. I can only hope that most of Tebow's yards on Sunday are in garbage time, while the Patriots have a three TD lead. I'm still not convinced, given that Brady is 1-5 against Denver (the only team in the NFL the guy doesn't have a winning record against).

by **conversationpc** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:50 am

Enigma869 wrote:
conversationpc wrote:
I can see Tebow plugging in over 70 yds rushing and 250+ passing.

All day long. You saw the names on that list who lit up the Patriots secondary. I'm still not sure what to make of Denver. They're clearly a playoff team, but, they've faced the likes of Caleb Hanie, Tylar Palko, Christian Ponder and Carson Palmer recently. None of those guys are NFL QB's. I can only hope that most of Tebow's yards on Sunday are in garbage time, while the Patriots have a three TD lead. I'm still not convinced, given that Brady is 1-5 against Denver (the only team in the NFL the guy doesn't have a winning record against).

Wow...That's amazing how bad that record is considering how good they've been against everyone else.

by **Ehwmatt** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:55 am

How about this Sam Hurd (Bears WR) story? Apparently he's a drug kingpin "daylighting" as an NFL player :shock:

by **Don** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:01 am

Ehwmatt wrote:How about this Sam Hurd (Bears WR) story? Apparently he's a drug kingpin "daylighting" as an NFL player

Not at those prices. Dude was either distributing garbage or is a terrible business man.

by **Enigma869** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:02 am

Ehwmatt wrote:How about this Sam Hurd (Bears WR) story? Apparently he's a drug kingpin "daylighting" as an NFL player

I saw that. Another genius among us.

by **Don** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:02 am

Enigma869 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:How about this Sam Hurd (Bears WR) story? Apparently he's a drug kingpin "daylighting" as an NFL player

I saw that. Another genius among us.

The Bears need to drop the Cowboys as their supplier. First, Barber gets Tebowed and now this with Hurd..it's been a bad week.

by **Ehwmatt** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:10 am

Newest reports indicate that they have a list of at least "double digit" NFL players who were among Hurd's clientele. This could get ugly.

I imagine some players are blowing up their lawyers'/agents' cellphones.

by **Don** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 7:28 am

Ehwmatt wrote:Newest reports indicate that they have a list of at least "double digit" NFL players who were among Hurd's clientele. This could get ugly.

I imagine some players are blowing up their lawyers'/agents' cellphones.

If half of those guys are Patriots, we'll know that Tebow really is the son of God.

by **AlteredDNA** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:27 am

by **Ehwmatt** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:30 pm

Blaine Gabbert's gotta be second to only Tyler Palko for sucking at NFL QB. I simply cannot believe the Jaguars traded up to draft this stiff at 10! :shock:

by **mikemarrs** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:19 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:Blaine Gabbert's gotta be second to only Tyler Palko for sucking at NFL QB. I simply cannot believe the Jaguars traded up to draft this stiff at 10!

And i'm glad the Titans grabbed Jake Locker a spot or two before the Jags could scoop him up.I was scared to death Tennessee was going to pick Gabbert and i was hoping the whole time for Locker.In my opinion when he gets some experience i think Locker is gonna be the real deal.

by **Ehwmatt** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:21 pm

mikemarrs wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Blaine Gabbert's gotta be second to only Tyler Palko for sucking at NFL QB. I simply cannot believe the Jaguars traded up to draft this stiff at 10!

And i'm glad the Titans grabbed Jake Locker a spot or two before the Jags could scoop him up.I was scared to death Tennessee was going to pick Gabbert and i was hoping the whole time for Locker.In my opinion when he gets some experience i think Locker is gonna be the real deal.

He looked good for you guys man. Learning under Hasselbeck for a year has to be great for him. I haven't kept close tabs, but I'd imagine Hasselbeck is a pretty willing mentor.

I mean wasn't Locker the consensus top pick in the draft if he had come out the year before? Then he had a mediocre season last year, right? The guy can definitely play.

by **Don** » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:14 pm

High schoolers banned for Tebowing

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_ ... d-tebowing

No running in the halls -- and no Tebowing either.

That's what one Long Island administration said Wednesday when it suspended a group of high school athletes for replicating Denver Broncos quarterback Tim Tebow's popular pose in the hallway at school.

Jordan Fulcoly, Wayne Drexel and brothers Tyler and Connor Carroll of Riverhead High School were all handed a one-day suspension Wednesday, after three days of taking a knee with their foreheads resting on their fists, the same way Tebow does in the end zone and on the sidelines. The news was first reported by Yahoo! Prep Rally earlier Thursday.

Riverhead superintendent Nancy Carney said that two of the students' suspensions were later rescinded, citing that administrators found that those students were not given the same warnings that the other two were.

Tebow has made headlines for the move, a display of his devotion to his Christian faith. The students were not suspended for bringing religion into the school, but instead for clogging the hallway.

Carney said that she supported the administration's efforts to maintain a safe environment and was surprised that the incident has received this much attention. Since the news broke, Carney said she has been receiving hate mail from people charging that the suspension is due to religious prejudice.

"It's very unsettling," she told ESPNNewYork.com on Thursday. "It's a shame that people out there are so ready to judge when they weren't there to see what happened."

Reports said that the students had been Tebowing all week, starting Monday. It was meant to be a joke, only paying homage to one of pro football's newest stars. But other students started joining in and administrators claimed it had become a disturbance. District officials reportedly told the students that the celebration was making it unsafe for students walking the hall in between classes.

The incident saw about 40 students engaging in the popular Tebowing. Only the four students, all athletes, were suspended. Caroll told Prep Rally that the administration told them "that our Tebowing was blocking the halls and could potentially cause a riot, because they were growing in number and if the wrong kid gets pushed a brawl could ensue."

Carney said students have three minutes to reach their next class.

"It's just high school kids being kids and administrators doing what they do on a daily basis -- keeping kids safe," Carney said, "and with today's world and cell phones and people taking pictures and video, it can be taken out of context."

Tyler and Connor Carroll are on the football team along with Drexel.

by **mikemarrs** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:25 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
mikemarrs wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:Blaine Gabbert's gotta be second to only Tyler Palko for sucking at NFL QB. I simply cannot believe the Jaguars traded up to draft this stiff at 10!

And i'm glad the Titans grabbed Jake Locker a spot or two before the Jags could scoop him up.I was scared to death Tennessee was going to pick Gabbert and i was hoping the whole time for Locker.In my opinion when he gets some experience i think Locker is gonna be the real deal.

He looked good for you guys man. Learning under Hasselbeck for a year has to be great for him. I haven't kept close tabs, but I'd imagine Hasselbeck is a pretty willing mentor.

I mean wasn't Locker the consensus top pick in the draft if he had come out the year before? Then he had a mediocre season last year, right? The guy can definitely play.

Yes he would've been like the number one pick in 2010 draft but he stayed in college an extra year and due to various factors he wasn't quite as good in 2011 so his stock slipped just a little.Basically in a roundabout way the Titans did end up with a number one caliber quarterback.

I've read and heard he had no offensive line protection so he was running for his life in college and he didn't have much talent on offense so he did a lot basically himself.The thing he enjoys now in Tennessee is a good line now so has extra time to not have to run away from defenses all day.

He is the total opposite of Vince Young in every way.He is a very down to earth,dedicated,film studying player who is one of the first in the building and last to leave.I've got the feeling he could be very similar to Mcnair especially his style of play.Mcnair played ten years here and was successful and i see that happening with Jake Locker also.

The best thing Tennessee did was show an over the hill coach Jeff Fisher and an overrated QB Vince Young both the door.Those two had a spat going that tore the team apart.We had the number one defense two or three years straight including a 13-3 year in '08 but no QB and you can't win without a franchise quarterback.

There was a period of time where we had the talent to make a good run and fell short and a lot of that falls on Fisher.

Now we have a fresh coach,new coordinators,better quarterbacks and a defense full of rookies who are in the top ten in total defense.We need to revamp a few spots and we will be looking pretty good.Mainly to get Locker a few weapons at WR and its going to be time for us again to be a force in the AFC.

We are 7-6 in what was suppose to be a rebuilding year so we are doing good.Locker and Hasselbeck might both get playing time in the last three games but most want Hasselbeck because we are in a playoff race and he has experience.

by **Ehwmatt** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:29 am

This comment on ProFootballTalk in response to Joe Montana saying Aaron Rodgers's season eclipses any season he ever had sums up my thoughts about today's NFL:

I guess I’m just annoyed that in today’s NFL you don’t have to ever run the ball nor do you have to play defense.

There is only one way to win, and that’s throwing the ball. You used to have a great defensive team, and then a team that ran it down the throat of the defense, and then a team that air’d it out. Different paths to winning a Super Bowl.

Today’s NFL is about as cookie cutter as it can get.

Evolutions happen in every sport. Styles go obsolete. Systems don't work. Coaches' messages and general coaching styles change with the times. But I do get annoyed watching a totally incomplete team like the Packers get all this credit. I was happy when they won last year (for beating the Steelers, for sticking it to that douchebag Favre, and for being a hell of a franchise). More power to them for dominating the current NFL. And take nothing away from Rodgers - he's tremendous. But still: I think we are on the verge of seeing the game become very boring.

The same thing is happening in tennis. Although the two sports obviously couldn't be more different (and some football diehards will crush me for comparing the two in any way because of the "pussy" image tennis has), the homogenization of the respective games is happening on a similar timetable. The groundstrokes and returns of serve have become so powerful that there is literally no room for different styles (serve and volley, all-courter etc) that used to characterize the game (and by consequence, some great "contrast in style" match-ups, e.g., Mcenroe v Borg, Agassi v. Sampras etc). Every match consists of two guys just pounding the ball from the baseline with very little variety. I still love following the pro game, but frankly, it's become pretty boring to watch a regular match-up in a regular tournament, even between two great players. There is simply no contrast. When Federer goes, it'll be a dark day for me as a fan. He's the only top guy with any semblance of variety.

I fear that's the direction the NFL's headed. Even teams like the Steelers, while still being pretty balanced, are leaning decidedly towards the "air it out" style. And I don't like it.

Some would argue that's what's happened with basketball too: the athleticism has just gotten to a point where you can compensate for a lack of skills/fundamentals with freakish athleticism. There's definitely credence there. But basketball, by its nature, is going to lend itself to some variety in players. Chris Paul is simply not going to do the same things that Lebron James or Blake Griffin do.

by **Enigma869** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:31 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Even teams like the Steelers, while still being pretty balanced

No, they're not. The notion that the Steelers are "balanced" is laughable. Nobody on the planet would claim the Patriots are a running team, and yet they are only two spots behind the Steelers in rushing offense. The Steelers rush for a whopping 9 yards more a game than the Patriots do. I also don't agree with Montana's comments. The reality is that teams in the NFL have ALWAYS done what their strength is. That has never changed and never will. If you have Barry Sanders, you run the ball, and then run the ball some more. If you have Peyton Manning and Marvin Harrison, you throw the ball, and then throw it some more.

While teams like Green Bay, New Orleans, New England, Detroit, and the Giants may be lighting it up through the air, teams like Jacksonville, Denver, Kansas City, San Francisco, and St. Louis can't throw the ball down the field to save their lives. Again, you roll with what you have around you. It would be completely ridiculous for the Packers to try to run the ball 40 times a game, given that their running game blows, and given that they have Aaron Rodgers playing on another planet right now.

by **Enigma869** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 9:35 am

Atlanta's Dunta Robinson on the Jacksonville Wide Receivers after last night's game :shock:

http://www.yardbarker.com/nfl/articles/ ... rs/8770420

“Those guys couldn’t get a f***ing wide receiver if it hit them in the head. They haven’t had anyone decent since Jimmy Smith,” Robinson said. “They had Matt Jones? Now, Chastin West? Those guys are f***ing jokes.”

Not very often that you ever see public comments like this by an NFL player about an opposing team. Belichick would have cut that fucker, immediately!

by **Enigma869** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:01 pm

More NFL players weighing in with an opinion on Touchdown Jesus.

From the Packers' Jermichael Finley:

“I sit at home, start watching TV and all I’m seeing is Tebow. That’s kind of disturbing. We have a guy here that’s breaking records every week and you have a guy in Tebow that’s saying ‘God’ every word and he gets coverage. Of course I love my faith and God. but come on man.”

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/201 ... ing/11332/

Tough for me to disagree with it. I don't want to listen to Touchdown Jesus wax poetic about "God" any more than I want to listen to some NFL player talk about abortion or gun control in his post-game press conference.

by **Ehwmatt** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:03 pm

Enigma869 wrote:More NFL players weighing in with an opinion on Touchdown Jesus.

From the Packers' Jermichael Finley:

“I sit at home, start watching TV and all I’m seeing is Tebow. That’s kind of disturbing. We have a guy here that’s breaking records every week and you have a guy in Tebow that’s saying ‘God’ every word and he gets coverage. Of course I love my faith and God. but come on man.”

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/201 ... ing/11332/

Tough for me to disagree with it. I don't want to listen to Touchdown Jesus wax poetic about "God" any more than I want to listen to some NFL player talk about abortion or gun control in his post-game press conference.

I'm seeing some Packers start to get a pretty high opinion of themselves and their team. I think all signs point to them having a letdown in the playoffs. And they may be their own undoing.

by **Enigma869** » Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:13 pm

Ehwmatt wrote:
I'm seeing some Packers start to get a pretty high opinion of themselves and their team. I think all signs point to them having a letdown in the playoffs. And they may be their own undoing.

Maybe, but I'm not buying it. I just don't see a team beating this Packers team. Their defense isn't superb, but it doesn't matter with Rodgers right now.

by **YoungJRNY** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:33 am

Fact Finder wrote:Travis screwed the pooch and didn't get in last nights game pick....

JfB 141 - 67 -- .678%

TfP 132 - 75 --- .638%

I didn't have internet the past couple days, haha.

But anyway, I've been saying it all year that I love the Falcons chances, especially in the post-season, to knock off Green Bay. They remind me ALOT like the Steelers 2005 team. Nobody really wants to talk about them, but are putting on a very nice winning percentage over the last month, winning 7 of their last 9 games. I think Atlanta can catch on hot and make a serious run in the post-season, even if they have to go on the road (the '05 Steelers, '07 Giants & '10 Packers proved going on the road in the playoffs as a Wild Card isn't as daunting as it once was.)

The NFC SOUTH is still an option, back 2 with one more meeting with the Saints still to come with 3 to play. Matt Ryan at home is the NFC's Tom Brady in Foxborough. I think they have the perfect formula to trip Rodgers up with a capable defense, a serious wideout threat in White & Jones (Gonzalez is still solid) as well as the bruising back Turner in the backfield.

Don't sleep on the Falcons.

by **RossValoryRocks** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:45 am

Enigma869 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
I'm seeing some Packers start to get a pretty high opinion of themselves and their team. I think all signs point to them having a letdown in the playoffs. And they may be their own undoing.

Maybe, but I'm not buying it. I just don't see a team beating this Packers team. Their defense isn't superb, but it doesn't matter with Rodgers right now.

A friend of mine said that with the Packers D they will probably lose...and I pointed out what you did John...it doesn't matter if their D gives up 40 if the offense scores 50!

by **YoungJRNY** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 4:49 am

RossValoryRocks wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
Ehwmatt wrote:
I'm seeing some Packers start to get a pretty high opinion of themselves and their team. I think all signs point to them having a letdown in the playoffs. And they may be their own undoing.

Maybe, but I'm not buying it. I just don't see a team beating this Packers team. Their defense isn't superb, but it doesn't matter with Rodgers right now.

A friend of mine said that with the Packers D they will probably lose...and I pointed out what you did John...it doesn't matter if their D gives up 40 if the offense scores 50!

I have a feeling the Packers will fall. This is like a repeat with every other year an undefeated team hits 13-0. Same conversations. Sitting players? Resting players? Media? Go for perfection or is Super Bowl more important. The Pack won the Super Bowl last season, which now they know what it takes to go on and win it. Pretty different winning the Super Bowl VS winning it 19-0. Ask the 2007 Patriots who blew out far more teams when it came to the scoreboard.

by **Enigma869** » Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:11 am

Fact Finder wrote:

Dallas at Tampa Bay tonight, NFL Network...what's the pick?

Dallas! The Cowgirls would fuck up a free lunch and ask for change, and NO team in the NFL finds more ways to lose than they do. That said, they show up tonight and get it done. Cowgirls by 17.

MR

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