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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 6:17 am

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I have a feeling the Packers will fall. This is like a repeat with every other year an undefeated team hits 13-0. Same conversations. Sitting players? Resting players? Media? Go for perfection or is Super Bowl more important. The Pack won the Super Bowl last season, which now they know what it takes to go on and win it. Pretty different winning the Super Bowl VS winning it 19-0. Ask the 2007 Patriots who blew out far more teams when it came to the scoreboard.


There really aren't any conversations to be had. The Colts are the only dopes who talked openly about resting guys when they were undefeated that late in the season. No other team would ever even consider it. The Patriots never even acknowledged they were undefeated. The big difference here is that the Packers are playing Kansas City, Chicago (with Caleb Hanie), and Detroit. The only team that has any shot at all (and I don't think it will happen) of beating them is Detroit. Also, given that the Patriots just went 16-0 about 20 minutes ago, there isn't nearly as much pressure on Green Bay, given that it just happened. I still say they run the table. Not sure about the playoffs yet, because I think the Saints can definitely score with them.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:04 am

Dallas @ Tampa Bay: As bad as Dallas played in a slump these past two weeks, Tampa is even in WORSE shape and let Jacksonville put 41 on them. Plus, Dallas is still in the NFC EAST hunt. Cowboys by 17.
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Postby mikemarrs » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:49 am

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I have a feeling the Packers will fall. This is like a repeat with every other year an undefeated team hits 13-0. Same conversations. Sitting players? Resting players? Media? Go for perfection or is Super Bowl more important. The Pack won the Super Bowl last season, which now they know what it takes to go on and win it. Pretty different winning the Super Bowl VS winning it 19-0. Ask the 2007 Patriots who blew out far more teams when it came to the scoreboard.


There really aren't any conversations to be had. The Colts are the only dopes who talked openly about resting guys when they were undefeated that late in the season. No other team would ever even consider it. The Patriots never even acknowledged they were undefeated. The big difference here is that the Packers are playing Kansas City, Chicago (with Caleb Hanie), and Detroit. The only team that has any shot at all (and I don't think it will happen) of beating them is Detroit. Also, given that the Patriots just went 16-0 about 20 minutes ago, there isn't nearly as much pressure on Green Bay, given that it just happened. I still say they run the table. Not sure about the playoffs yet, because I think the Saints can definitely score with them.



in my opinion it will all come down to New Orleans vs. Green Bay in the NFC

in the AFC i think it will come down to Pittsburgh,Baltimore or New England.


my super bowl prediction is......Pittsburgh vs. New Orleans
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:03 am

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in my opinion it will all come down to New Orleans vs. Green Bay in the NFC

in the AFC i think it will come down to Pittsburgh,Baltimore or New England.


my super bowl prediction is......Pittsburgh vs. New Orleans


I agree with your assessment on the AFC. The AFC used to be such a strong conference, and now it's quite average. All three of those teams could easily lose to any of the other teams. There isn't a team of the three that I can honestly give an edge to. As for the NFC, I honestly don't see anyone other than Green Bay or New Orleans. The Falcons may have an outside shot, but they simply haven't ever played consistently enough for my taste.

My Super Bowl prediction...Pittsburgh versus Green Bay, and the Packers beat them by a minimum of three TD's!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:18 am

I agree with either Pittsburgh/Baltimore/Patriots in the Super Bowl in February. I've been saying that like, week 6 of the season haha. The obvious pick is the Packers and I'm strongly forming an opinion on a XLV rematch with Pittsburgh/Green Bay. I'll use my same tactic as I did last season since Atlanta was my pick in the pre-season to represent the NFC in the Superbowl, so I'll stick with Atlanta for now until their eliminated.

Super Bowl XLVI: Pittsburgh Steelers vs Atlanta Falcons but it could easily be any variation at this point.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Dec 18, 2011 9:22 am

I fuckin hope the Falcons don't ride this recent hot streak too much longer. The Browns' second first-round draft pick depends on it. Fuckin A.
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Postby AR » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:23 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:I agree with either Pittsburgh/Baltimore/Patriots in the Super Bowl in February. I've been saying that like, week 6 of the season haha. The obvious pick is the Packers and I'm strongly forming an opinion on a XLV rematch with Pittsburgh/Green Bay. I'll use my same tactic as I did last season since Atlanta was my pick in the pre-season to represent the NFC in the Superbowl, so I'll stick with Atlanta for now until their eliminated.

Super Bowl XLVI: Pittsburgh Steelers vs Atlanta Falcons but it could easily be any variation at this point.

Steelers have a chance to advance this week. The Ravens traveling to San Diego is a tough game.
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Postby AR » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:26 pm

Enigma869 wrote:
mikemarrs wrote:
in my opinion it will all come down to New Orleans vs. Green Bay in the NFC

in the AFC i think it will come down to Pittsburgh,Baltimore or New England.


my super bowl prediction is......Pittsburgh vs. New Orleans


I agree with your assessment on the AFC. The AFC used to be such a strong conference, and now it's quite average. All three of those teams could easily lose to any of the other teams. There isn't a team of the three that I can honestly give an edge to. As for the NFC, I honestly don't see anyone other than Green Bay or New Orleans. The Falcons may have an outside shot, but they simply haven't ever played consistently enough for my taste.

My Super Bowl prediction...Pittsburgh versus Green Bay, and the Packers beat them by a minimum of three TD's!


If the Ravens make it (very much an "if") they will humiliate Aaron Rodgers. Steelers can too. Patriots defense is just not good enough this year, but if Brady could air it out = maybe.

I think whichever AFC team gets in has a decent chance of beating Green Bay
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Dec 18, 2011 12:52 pm

AR wrote:
Enigma869 wrote:
mikemarrs wrote:
in my opinion it will all come down to New Orleans vs. Green Bay in the NFC

in the AFC i think it will come down to Pittsburgh,Baltimore or New England.


my super bowl prediction is......Pittsburgh vs. New Orleans


I agree with your assessment on the AFC. The AFC used to be such a strong conference, and now it's quite average. All three of those teams could easily lose to any of the other teams. There isn't a team of the three that I can honestly give an edge to. As for the NFC, I honestly don't see anyone other than Green Bay or New Orleans. The Falcons may have an outside shot, but they simply haven't ever played consistently enough for my taste.

My Super Bowl prediction...Pittsburgh versus Green Bay, and the Packers beat them by a minimum of three TD's!


If the Ravens make it (very much an "if") they will humiliate Aaron Rodgers. Steelers can too. Patriots defense is just not good enough this year, but if Brady could air it out = maybe.

I think whichever AFC team gets in has a decent chance of beating Green Bay


Joe Flacco matching wits with Aaron Rodgers will/would NOT end well for Mr. Flaccid. Sorry Ed.
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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:04 pm

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If the Ravens make it (very much an "if") they will humiliate Aaron Rodgers. Steelers can too. Patriots defense is just not good enough this year, but if Brady could air it out = maybe.

I think whichever AFC team gets in has a decent chance of beating Green Bay


I couldn't disagree more vehemently. The only team in the entire AFC who would have any shot of scoring enough points against Green Bay would be the Patriots (and I agree with your assessment that their defense simply isn't good enough to get to the big game), and it still wouldn't be enough. Baltimore and Pittsburgh's defenses aren't stopping Rodgers. Neither is really that dominant and Rodgers is toying with teams. Neither Baltimore nor Pittsburgh have an offense that scares anyone. Baltimore doesn't have a good enough QB to compete on the big stage. For any team to beat Green Bay, they are going to have to have a very quick strike offense, and most of those teams reside in the NFC.
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Postby slucero » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:23 pm

ya I'd have to agree... Rogers is playing a a speed most of the defenses can't keep up with...

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Postby Don » Sun Dec 18, 2011 1:55 pm

The only offense I've seen go head to head this year with Green Bay was the Chargers.
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Postby Maui Tom » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:02 pm

Don wrote:The only offense I've seen go head to head this year with Green Bay was the Chargers.


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Postby Enigma869 » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:29 pm

Carolina at Houston - Houston simply can't be stopped, regardless of their QB. Their 7 game winning streak is most impressive. Carolina is still trying to form an identity. I love Carolina in the upset this week. Panthers by 3.

Washington at NY Giants - The Giants have to keep winning, and will do just that. Giants by 14.

Miami at Buffalo - With 6 straight losses, Buffalo has obviously packed it in on their season. Miami doesn't know which direction they're heading in with the recent firing of Sparano. Buffalo by 3.

Seattle at Chicago - Another tough game to get a read on this week. On paper, Chicago should win this game. I'm just not sure how they get it done with the QB they have in there. Seattle by 3.

New Orleans at Minnesota - New Orleans keeps on rolling. Saints by 21.

Cincinnati at St. Louis - While the Bengals have clearly demonstrated that they simply can't beat good NFL teams, they face no such challenges this week. Bengals by 14.

Tennessee at Indianapolis - 13 straight losses and absolutely no reason for the Colts to start winning now. Tennessee believes they are still in it (they're not!), so they'll be ready to play. Titans by 13.

Green Bay at Kansas City - This game will be out of hand by halftime. Look for Aaron Rodgers to have his feet up by the third quarter. Packers by 28.

Detroit at Oakland - Oakland just isn't that good of a team, and I have zero doubt that the Raiders and their fans are fucking mortified that their team gave up another number 1 pick for Carson fucking Palmer. Dude just can't play. I'm certainly not sold on Detroit either, as being among the NFL elite. That said, they're better than Oakland. Lions by 9.

New England at Denver - Time to take on Touchdown Jesus. This game really comes down to Denver being able to keep it a low scoring game. I believe their only opportunity of doing this is to deploy their number one rushing offense and keeping that clock running. Brady is 1-6 against Denver and the Patriots have always sucked against Denver. Denver should easily win this one by two TD's. Even though I picked Denver last week, I simply don't see them being able to score the number of points that I believe it will take to beat the Patriots. New England by 10.

NY Jets at Philadelphia - Interesting game. The Jets are still alive, and the Eagles are on life support. Eagles by 3.

Cleveland at Arizona - One team has won three games in a row, while the other has lost 3 in a row. I believe the trend continues. Cardinals by 14.

Baltimore at San Diego - Very tough game to call this week. San Diego is on their typical December roll, while Baltimore has won 4 in a row. Something has to give this week. It simply comes down (for me) to which team can score points. Chargers by 4.

Pittsburgh at San Francisco - The Steelers are rolling with 4 straights wins. SF is reeling a bit after their loss last week. Pittsburgh has the much better QB, but I think San Francisco's defense can stop an average Steelers offense. I don't like this matchup for the Steelers. The Steelers only have one game left on their schedule that they can possibly lose, and this is it. Niners by 7.[/b]
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Postby Ehwmatt » Sun Dec 18, 2011 2:44 pm

Man oh man, the Bucs really blow this year. That has to suck for their fans after such a promising year last year. At this point, the bottom three teams in the league (from "best" to worst) are the Browns, Bucs, and Colts. Sad.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Dec 18, 2011 7:12 pm

Carolina at Houston -Carolina is a very intriguing upset pick this week. Still, T.J Yates went up against a better team, on the road and beat the Bengals. That gave Houston high hopes, confidence and trust not only in their team, but their young Q.B as well. I think Yates lives up to the hype while still playing for homefield (atleast another week anyhow.) Texans by 10.

Washington at NY Giants - The Giants are a team destined to finish strong for once when compared to the past several years. They control their own destiny when it comes to the NFC EAST. Giants by 8.

Miami at Buffalo - I don't like this matchup for Buffalo. Miami actually started to look like a team that could knock off some teams down the final stretch. I'll go out on a limb and say the Dolphins get it done on the road. Dolphins by 6.

Seattle at Chicago - I can watch Marshawn Lynch carry that football all day. My style of runner. Seattle has been pretty consistent lately. Lets see if they can keep it going against a Bears team ready to throw in the towel soon. Seahawks by 7.

New Orleans at Minnesota - New Orleans by 24.

Cincinnati at St. Louis - Bradford and that Rams offense look completely lost together on the field. The lack of chemistry is worrisome for St. Louis fans going into next season. Bengals by 13.

Tennessee at Indianapolis - Titans by 14.

Green Bay at Kansas City - Packers by 27.

Detroit at Oakland - I still feel the AFC WEST is in Oakland's hands. A stiff test facing a Detroit Lions team. If the Raiders want to get things going, this is the week to do so to make a strong push for a division title. Raiders by 7.

New England at Denver - Brady runs circles around Tebow's offense. Before you know it, Tebow will find himself having the carry the team on a consistent basis. Patriots by 20.

NY Jets at Philadelphia - Gut says Eagles at home. Eagles by 7.

Cleveland at Arizona -Arizona suddenly finds themselves putting together a win streak. Always dangerous if your a team just begging for the season to end like Cleveland. Cardinals by 10.

Baltimore at San Diego - Flacco shows why Baltimore must host homefield advantage to have an edge in the playoffs. Chargers by 6.

Pittsburgh at San Francisco: The Steelers are all in from this point forward. A must win to have any shot at a first round bye/AFC NORTH Title. This game will decide it all for Pittsburgh. It doesn't matter how banged up they are. This will be a game decided by defense. Fortunately for the Steelers, Pittsburgh makes QB's like Alex Smith suffer. Steelers by 7.
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Postby S2M » Mon Dec 19, 2011 5:22 am

KC wasting all kinds of chances with Rodgers's bad day....Should be up AT LEAST 9-0, possibly 13-0.

4 RZ possessions for KC - 9 points. The 3rd RZ possession(GB 3-yard line) = 0 points.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:45 am

Kyle Orton may take down the giant in the NFC. We could possibly have an undefeated going down and the winless rising up in the same week.
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Postby S2M » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:48 am

YoungJRNY wrote:Kyle Orton may take down the giant in the NFC. We could possibly have an undefeated going down and the winless rising up in the same week.


I told you weeks ago Sir Aaron better not have an off day.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 19, 2011 6:55 am

It was only a matter of time, it was going to happen sooner or later. I've been saying over the years that Arrowhead stadium scares the shit out people regardless of how bad the Chiefs may be throughout a season. Even when the Steelers went in there in Prime Time earlier I wasn't shocked whatsoever how bad they struggled givin how Arrowhead is a very intimidating place to play and is the X-factor for the home team.
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Postby S2M » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:03 am

YoungJRNY wrote:It was only a matter of time, it was going to happen sooner or later. I've been saying over the years that Arrowhead stadium scares the shit out people regardless of how bad the Chiefs may be throughout a season. Even when the Steelers went in there in Prime Time earlier I wasn't shocked whatsoever how bad they struggled givin how Arrowhead is a very intimidating place to play and is the X-factor for the home team.



I'm one that doesn't buy home field advantages in football, or basketball. Only hockey(last line change) and Baseball(last ups) have built in HFAs...crowd noise is a subjective thing. If the home team is losing - the crowd is of no use. But that's just me, and I hope my opinion isn't too contrarian.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 19, 2011 7:23 am

The stage is now set for the Steelers, Patriots or Ravens to go for the #1 seed in the AFC playoffs. The Houston Texans loss today opened opportunity more-so for the Steelers/Ravens. If the Ravens lose tonight and if the Steelers win tomorrow, then the Steelers control their own destiny for the #1 seed, having the head to head tiebreaker over New England if both teams finish 13-3. Going to be a very fun finish between these 3 teams.
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Postby Enigma869 » Mon Dec 19, 2011 8:24 am

S2M wrote:

I'm one that doesn't buy home field advantages in football, or basketball. Only hockey(last line change) and Baseball(last ups) have built in HFAs...crowd noise is a subjective thing. If the home team is losing - the crowd is of no use. But that's just me, and I hope my opinion isn't too contrarian.


I couldn't agree more. The Patriots have had the home field advantage last two times around in the playoffs and have lost both first games they have played. It's really irrelevant to me and always has been. There are fans who truly believe their stadiums are impossible to win in. I promise you that if any visiting team comes into enemy territory and hangs 14 quick points on the home team in a playoff game, you might as well be playing in an empty stadium, because those fans won't be saying a word. The first round bye is far more significant in my opinion.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:18 am

There's just some types of atmosphere's around the league that make it very tough for offense's to communicate and Arrowhead is one of those stadiums that the crowd atmosphere plays a part in shaking up an offense's line of communication.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Mon Dec 19, 2011 10:27 am

Teams that have clinched the playoffs in the AFC today: Patriots, Steelers, Ravens.
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Postby tater1977 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:37 am

Whats going on with the lights going off in Pittsburgh?
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:39 am

tater1977 wrote:Whats going on with the lights going off in Pittsburgh?


The game is in San Francisco!
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Postby tater1977 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:39 am

tater1977 wrote:Whats going on with the lights going off in Pittsburgh?



Transformer exploded...just heard ...nevermind ... :shock:
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Postby tater1977 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 11:43 am

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tater1977 wrote:Whats going on with the lights going off in Pittsburgh?


The game is in San Francisco!


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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:43 pm

Alex Smith is fucking DREADFUL. This guy misses more wide open guys than I've ever seen. Pittsburgh isn't covering anyone, and this guy simply can't get the ball to where it needs to go!
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