Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[verslibre]

The more I hear about this, the more I nyah the naysayers. I think this is really shaping up. It's going to be an ass-kicker.

[The_Noble_Cause]

South Park may have overstayed its welcome by a few seasons, but it is brilliant. Do you guys want to shit on the Twilight Zone or any other classics? You two really have ZERO taste.

[verslibre]

South Park may have overstayed its welcome by a few seasons, but it is brilliant. Do you guys want to shit on the Twilight Zone or any other classics? You two really have ZERO taste.

Did you just rate The Twilight Zone alongside South Park?? You're certifiable.

[Monker]

South Park may have overstayed its welcome by a few seasons, but it is brilliant. Do you guys want to shit on the Twilight Zone or any other classics? You two really have ZERO taste.

Did you just rate The Twilight Zone alongside South Park?? You're certifiable.

Yeah, I know...Trey Parker is a comedic genius. Rod Serling? Eh. He's OK

As for South Park compared to Robot Chicken, or whatever...and how long they have been around.

South Park still has a lot of good stuff in their newer episodes. Robot Chicken is really just a bunch of short sketches without any real story...and it really isn't even a competitor to South Park. South Park stands far above Family Guy, or The Simpsons, and any other adult animated comedy show that I've seen. When Robot Chicken has a show on Broadway inspired by one of their episodes, then maybe you'll have a point

Ironically, they just showed a "Coon" rerun...too funny...Batman vs. Superman could copy the storyline of Coon vs Mysterion. Just substitute Cthulhu for some other evil entity and you have it all there. And, you gotta love the lines: "....just like when Superman teamed up with Lex Luthor..." "Superman never teamed up with Lex Luthor, moron." "Oh, well, that's why Superman's not around any more."

[YoungJRNY]

South Park may have overstayed its welcome by a few seasons, but it is brilliant. Do you guys want to shit on the Twilight Zone or any other classics? You two really have ZERO taste.

Did you just rate The Twilight Zone alongside South Park?? You're certifiable.

Bahahaha! I grew out of the South Park mentality literally within' a week of its existence. It was possibility the most annoying thing I've ever even attempted to watch. South Park, with "BRILLIANT" creations such as Mr.Hanky, caters to the mindless and most juvenile minds, which makes sense since it seems like TNC gets most of his calculable rants off of shows like South Park South Park and the Twilight Zone was seriously used, in comparison, in the same sentence. Signs of the Zombie Apocalypse is among us. FML.

[verslibre]

Robot Chicken is really just a bunch of short sketches without any real story...and it really isn't even a competitor to South Park.

Correct, they're totally different. I just find Robot Chicken hella funny. They also use actors from all over to lend their voices. It rocks.

South Park stands far above Family Guy, or The Simpsons, and any other adult animated comedy show that I've seen.

Family Guy and Simpsons fans will argue you into the grave on that one. Simpsons is the longest-running sitcom now anyway, and South Park will never be ranked on par with it. The show I preferred to either of those was King of the Hill, anyway. Consistently funny from episode to episode.

When Robot Chicken has a show on Broadway inspired by one of their episodes, then maybe you'll have a point

If they had any real baseketballs, they would've done a show about Scientology.

And, you gotta love the lines: "....just like when Superman teamed up with Lex Luthor..." "Superman never teamed up with Lex Luthor, moron." "Oh, well, that's why Superman's not around any more."

They must write all their dialogue waiting in line at Starbucks.

[Monker]

South Park stands far above Family Guy, or The Simpsons, and any other adult animated comedy show that I've seen.

Family Guy and Simpsons fans will argue you into the grave on that one. Simpsons is the longest-running sitcom now anyway, and South Park will never be ranked on par with it.

You are simply wrong on this one. In fact, I think if you looked into it, Trey and Matt are fans of each others shows. Bart Simpson has even been on South Park...Bart with Cartman, too funny. And, South Park has been cameo'd in various ways on The Simpson's. And, they all hate Family Guy.

When Robot Chicken has a show on Broadway inspired by one of their episodes, then maybe you'll have a point

If they had any real baseketballs, they would've done a show about Scientology.

For that to happen Tom Cruise will have to come out of the closet.

And, Baseketball was OK (Journey references all over it)....but, Team America was awesome.

And, you gotta love the lines: "....just like when Superman teamed up with Lex Luthor..." "Superman never teamed up with Lex Luthor, moron." "Oh, well, that's why Superman's not around any more."

They must write all their dialogue waiting in line at Starbucks.

Only if Tweek is in the episode. http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-ep ... e17-gnomes

[Monker]

South Park may have overstayed its welcome by a few seasons, but it is brilliant. Do you guys want to shit on the Twilight Zone or any other classics? You two really have ZERO taste.

Did you just rate The Twilight Zone alongside South Park?? You're certifiable.

Bahahaha! I grew out of the South Park mentality literally within' a week of its existence. It was possibility the most annoying thing I've ever even attempted to watch. South Park, with "BRILLIANT" creations such as Mr.Hanky, caters to the mindless and most juvenile minds, which makes sense since it seems like TNC gets most of his calculable rants off of shows like South Park South Park and the Twilight Zone was seriously used, in comparison, in the same sentence. Signs of the Zombie Apocalypse is among us. FML.

Mr. Hanky was a story Trey's dad told him to get him to flush the toilet. IE: If he didn't flush, then Mr. Hankey would come out of the toilet the next time he used it and take out some revenge.

South Park is brilliant because it takes the 4th Grade mentality and creates a story with a bit of meaning behind it. It's not just a random bunch of crap. Mr. Hanky is commenting on the commercialization of Christmas and how the meaning of the holiday is simply lost in all the secular vs. Christian arguments regarding the holiday. So, yeah, it's a brilliant way to tell a story and make social commentary at the same time.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If they had any real baseketballs, they would've done a show about scientology

This is a joke, rite? SP has tackled Scientology before. And yea, I proudly defend the Twilight Zone comparison. One show used scifi allegory, the other uses vulgar comedy. At their best, both shows are satirical, thought provoking and entertain as hell. Robot Chicken is stoner comedy of the ADHD variety. SP should goof on it the same way they ripped Family Guy a new asshole.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Mr. Hanky was a story Trey's dad told him to get him to flush the toilet. IE: If he didn't flush, then Mr. Hankey would come out of the toilet the next time he used it and take out some revenge.

South Park is brilliant because it takes the 4th Grade mentality and creates a story with a bit of meaning behind it. It's not just a random bunch of crap. Mr. Hanky is commenting on the commercialization of Christmas and how the meaning of the holiday is simply lost in all the secular vs. Christian arguments regarding the holiday. So, yeah, it's a brilliant way to tell a story and make social commentary at the same time.

Correct. Sounds obvious to me like YngJrny never grew into, or remotely *got* SP to begin with. SP parodying with Jonathan Swift like accuracy everything from Al Gore to Christian boy bands to Warcraft is the opposite of juvenile. Batman inviting Superman & Aquaman to Wayne Manor for kippered salmon and bagels however, is unfortunately juvenile and stupid.

[verslibre]

If they had any real baseketballs, they would've done a show about scientology

This is a joke, rite? SP has tackled Scientology before.

Yeah, we all know, but FWIW, the NAMBLA episode was better. But that was 14 years ago, when I still bothered to check out the show.

[verslibre]

Mr. Hanky is commenting on the commercialization of Christmas and how the meaning of the holiday is simply lost in all the secular vs. Christian arguments regarding the holiday.

The same territory covered by Miracle on 34th St. and A Christmas Story. The only coil, er, twist is that South Park's variation on a very old theme involves a turd with vocal cords and a Santa cap. INNOVATION, BABY!!!

[YoungJRNY]

A teaser to BvS could be dropped at SDCC. SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET.

[verslibre]

A teaser to BvS could be dropped at SDCC. SWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET.

SDCC may get a first peek? Some brave bastid better upload it.

[YoungJRNY]

South Park could be the most genius thing ever created and I could seriously give two fucks about it. I don't give a shit about the story behind Mr.Hanky or the meaning behind 4th grade laugh out loud vulgarity or Al Gore of Christian Boy Bands or Warcraft. I never liked the show no matter how hard I tried watching it in my youth. My buddies dug it, but just like Beavis and Butthead, teenagers never watched it for the so-called genius behind it. They watched it because everytime Cartman said "Boobs" "Asswipe", "Butt-munch"or killing Kenny made them giggle their ass's off. You can claim genius for everything that can hold an attention span of a 5 year old for more than 10 minutes.

Batman inviting Superman & Aquaman to Wayne Manor for kippered salmon and bagels however, is unfortunately juvenile and stupid.

As "genius" as South Park you guys claim it to be, a child could learn a lot more from a simple Superman, Batman or Aquaman story than they could an Eric Cartman, who could probably only teach them how good the blow-job from Monica Lewinsky to Bill Clinton felt or how to fart into the lighter loud enough to set somebodies house on fire, lmao.

Feel free to go at it and create your own South Park thread if you'd like. This is the BvS movie thread so lets try to stay on topic before getting too out of hand about irrelevant bullshit not pertaining to the created thread itself.

[verslibre]

Feel free to go at it and create your own South Park thread if you'd like. This is the BvS movie thread so lets try to stay on topic before getting too out of hand about irrelevant bullshit not pertaining to the created thread itself.

Word. At least keep it superhero-centric. South Park promotional materials do not belong here.

[YoungJRNY]

[RedWingFan]

For me South Park hasn't been about the kids for a long time. Randy is hilarious!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaTd_kDibeI

[Monker]

South Park could be the most genius thing ever created and I could seriously give two fucks about it. I don't give a shit about the story behind Mr.Hanky or the meaning behind 4th grade laugh out loud vulgarity or Al Gore of Christian Boy Bands or Warcraft. I never liked the show no matter how hard I tried watching it in my youth. My buddies dug it, but just like Beavis and Butthead, teenagers never watched it for the so-called genius behind it. They watched it because everytime Cartman said "Boobs" "Asswipe", "Butt-munch"or killing Kenny made them giggle their ass's off. You can claim genius for everything that can hold an attention span of a 5 year old for more than 10 minutes.

Batman inviting Superman & Aquaman to Wayne Manor for kippered salmon and bagels however, is unfortunately juvenile and stupid.

As "genius" as South Park you guys claim it to be, a child could learn a lot more from a simple Superman, Batman or Aquaman story than they could an Eric Cartman, who could probably only teach them how good the blow-job from Monica Lewinsky to Bill Clinton felt or how to fart into the lighter loud enough to set somebodies house on fire, lmao.

Feel free to go at it and create your own South Park thread if you'd like. This is the BvS movie thread so lets try to stay on topic before getting too out of hand about irrelevant bullshit not pertaining to the created thread itself.

LOL....and the reason I even brought South Park into this is because of "Coon and Friends". They are already parodying superhero films. I just have a feeling that BvS is going to push things over the top from parody to ripping it apart. DC is jumping the shark in a HUGE way...and I can guarantee you that Trey and Matt are going to pick up on that and run with it.

Seriously, "Coon and Friends" already wrote BvS. They better be careful or South Park is going to sue them!

[YoungJRNY]

Not sure how BvS is jumping the shark. That's nothing but assumption based off of empty logic for a film that is so heavily guarded at this point that not even spy camera's can crack Snyder's set. South Park is no different than current event bashing of comedic humor ala Saturday Night Live. Of course they will jump on whatever they need to jump on when it comes to popular current events. A ton of people will go see BvS so it would be dumb for South Park not to feature it at one point. No matter, all of that has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread.

[Monker]

Not sure how BvS is jumping the shark. That's nothing but assumption based off of empty logic for a film that is so heavily guarded at this point that not even spy camera's can crack Snyder's set.

Oh, come on. There are just doing another Avengers. It's simply obvious.

The market is saturated with superhero movies already. Yeah, Marvel did the saturating. Every year there are three or four superhero movies out. That's already too much. Plus you have Agents of Shield and the new DC version of that with the young superheroes (which looks lame to me). DC is going to push it over the edge to where people are going to ignore them. it has nothing to do with the script, or the director, or who is in it. It's just overkill. Doing BvS and leaving at that would have been enough...but cameos of Wonder Woman and Aquaman, and who knows who else, is going too far.

South Park is no different than current event bashing of comedic humor ala Saturday Night Live.

Coon came out years ago. Mysterion was a combination of Batman and Rorschach. Coon is basically a take off on Wolverine. This is WELL before superheroes saturated the market to the point they have recently.

They did it because they are fans, not because they wanted to insult anybody (Well, OK, maybe BP Oil)...and, IMO, both the original Coon series and Coon and Friends are awesome.

Of course they will jump on whatever they need to jump on when it comes to popular current events.

No. If you know anything about South Park, you know they love to inject sckfi and fantasy (and 80's music) into their episodes. They already started injecting "superhero" stuff into their eps...and IMO, this is going to get the "we are sick of superhero movies" episode.

Let me put it this way, when "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls" came out, they went on a rampage of "Steven Spielberg raped Indiana Jones." That is what I am expecting from this.

We'll find out two years from now, or whenever. I just can't see them passing up this "jump the shark" opportunity.

A ton of people will go see BvS so it would be dumb for South Park not to feature it at one point. No matter, all of that has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread.

I don't think how many people saw it even matters. They ripped off a fight scene from "Them", and hardly anybody knows about that film. They'll do it because they are a fan on the genre and it's overkill...that's all the motivation they need.

[YoungJRNY]

Oh, come on. There are just doing another Avengers. It's simply obvious.

The market is saturated with superhero movies already. Yeah, Marvel did the saturating. Every year there are three or four superhero movies out. That's already too much. Plus you have Agents of Shield and the new DC version of that with the young superheroes (which looks lame to me). DC is going to push it over the edge to where people are going to ignore them. it has nothing to do with the script, or the director, or who is in it. It's just overkill. Doing BvS and leaving at that would have been enough...but cameos of Wonder Woman and Aquaman, and who knows who else, is going too far.

Still didn't answer my question about jumping the shark because they simply aren't. You're saying it's too much, but the audiences are saying otherwise because the genre is at its absolute PEAK right now without signs of slowing down. Superhero movies saved Hollywood in many ways as far as Blockbusters are concerned and are projected to bring even more billion dollar franchise's out of these characters. In short: GET USE TO IT. These movies are in high demand and for decades, a Batman/Superman/Justice League movie, contrary to your belief, are THEE movies fans and people have been wanting to see for forever. With the industry now at its peak and climbing, there's no reason to believe that two of the most iconic pop-culture hero's (not only hero's, but symbols around the world) won't be another industry breakthrough.

[YoungJRNY]

10 Ways The DC Cinematic Universe Could Eclipse Marvel’s
http://whatculture.com/film/10-ways-dc- ... vels.php/2

Nicely written and knowledgeable.

[Monker]

Still didn't answer my question about jumping the shark because they simply aren't. Y

The very fact that it is BvS in itself could be said to be "Jumping the Shark". But, throw in Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and who knows who else, it is ABSOLUTELY jumping the shark by adding every superhero they can to get tickets sold.

You're saying it's too much, but the audiences are saying otherwise because the genre is at its absolute PEAK right now without signs of slowing down

Yes, it's at its peak...and this is THE sign that they have run out of ideas. IMO, it will all be downhill from here.

Superhero movies saved Hollywood in many ways as far as Blockbusters are concerned

I totally disagree with that. The "Lord of the Rings" movies did this YEARS before.

And, not all superhero movies did especially well...examples are in this very thread.

Like I said, the market is saturated...both good and bad, and mediocre.

[aquote] These movies are in high demand and for decades, a Batman/Superman/Justice League movie, contrary to your belief, are THEE movies fans and people have been wanting to see for forever. [/quote]

But, marvel beat them to the market...and now they are just copying Marvel.

With the industry now at its peak and climbing, there's no reason to believe that two of the most iconic pop-culture hero's (not only hero's, but symbols around the world) won't be another industry breakthrough.

Every bubble has to burst...and I think this is what is going to do it.

I'm not saying BvS was fail. I think it will succeed. IMO, the moves that follow are not going to do as well as expected...because BvS jumped the shark.

[YoungJRNY]

The very fact that it is BvS in itself could be said to be "Jumping the Shark". But, throw in Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and who knows who else, it is ABSOLUTELY jumping the shark by adding every superhero they can to get tickets sold.

It's not jumping the shark if there's a longterm plan involved. If anything, it was X-Men that jumped the shark years ago with the many heroes added to one movie. Not sure where you've been since 2000, but this is nothing new with multiple heroes on one screen. Besides, nothing is crammed in BvS. Most characters like Wonder Woman and Cyborg will only be used as cameo's to set up their existence where the studio plans to branch out into NEW franchise's after the fact.

Yes, it's at its peak...and this is THE sign that they have run out of ideas. IMO, it will all be downhill from here.

How? There's a huge catalog of characters in WB's arsenal. Fans pledged SIN upon WB for not doing anything with these properties that never seen the light of day. Now when these well-deserved characters are on the verge of FINALLY getting the greenlight to begin new franchise's, they are out of ideas? If anything, it creates an entire slate of NEW ideas! Remember, Marvel and DC are completely different in how their heroes are portrayed. DC/WB will own nothing but fresh and exciting new ways to tell superhero stories in the future that is complete different.

Like I said, the market is saturated...both good and bad, and mediocre.

The market is so saturated that audiences are turning up in droves to see these movies and Marvel is setting their track record well beyond 2020. Again, contrary to your saturation belief, the complete opposite is happening. I'm not saying it could happen, that's always possible but these trends are not anywhere CLOSE to slowing down and these studios know it.

But, marvel beat them to the market...and now they are just copying Marvel.

Actually Marvel copied DC/WB for all these years. Before Marvel even had the plan, DC had the idea first and has tried to resurrect a Superman/Batman movie in the earlier century, as well as the Justice League. DC had legal battles and WB were always hesitant to trust in it but all Marvel did was follow through with it and it hit. DC isn't copying Marvel. In fact, they are doing the absolute opposite in theory but make no mistake, WB had the idea first regardless what their competitors put out in recent years.

Every bubble has to burst...and I think this is what is going to do it.

I'd be rich for every nickel I'd heard that since 2000.

I'm not saying BvS was fail. I think it will succeed. IMO, the moves that follow are not going to do as well as expected...because BvS jumped the shark.

Still not sure how they jumped the shark. Jumping the shark is doing something completely out of the norm that puts that specific product in danger. Superman/Batman has been a dream film for many, many years. It's not jumping of the shark. Far from it and it's not the first time hero's shared the bigscreen together. It's actually the norm that became reality. There couldn't be a more PERFECT time to do this. If anything, BvS; JL can hit another boom period for the industry.

[verslibre]

Oh, come on. There are just doing another Avengers. It's simply obvious.

To bring the Justice League to the big screen has been the plan all along. It's simply obvious.

The market is saturated with superhero movies already.

It's saturated with SF, animated films, comedies, action flicks...James Bond gets rebooted every time audiences grow tired f the current actor. When will people start to get it?

Yeah, Marvel did the saturating. Every year there are three or four superhero movies out. That's already too much. Plus you have Agents of Shield and the new DC version of that with the young superheroes (which looks lame to me). DC is going to push it over the edge to where people are going to ignore them. it has nothing to do with the script, or the director, or who is in it. It's just overkill. Doing BvS and leaving at that would have been enough...but cameos of Wonder Woman and Aquaman, and who knows who else, is going too far.

"Going too far" isn't necessarily your call. If people stop watching superhero films, the studios will stop making them. A lot of people went to see Captain America: The Winter Soldier, though. F'in good movie. The saturation factor is offset by the desire to see new and different characters. If we saw the same 5 or 6 Avengers in every single movie, then there could be a problem. Thankfully, there are five or six-plus decades (in DC's case, even more) of stories to draw from. Goyer and Nolan sourced over a dozen separate storylines, from The Killing Joke to Year One to Knightfall, for their Batman trilogy.

Yes, DC/WB is going to push it over the edge...right into their own arena. If the stories aren't handled properly, with enough conviction, some characters may be mistakenly perceived as growing stale with general audiences (again, refer to CA:TWS where exactly the opposite happened). Some people enjoy everything and some people prefer Marvel to DC and DC to Marvel. I talked to people who couldn't wait for The Dark Knight Rises Hell, they even want to reboot Spawn to see if it, or he, sticks to the wall this time.

The bottom line is that WB is finally starting to step harder on the gas pedal. BvS:DoJ comes out in 2 years and that's mucho time to shoot & edit the movie, polish the effects, make tweaks and erect a snowball-effected marketing scheme. When this movie hits in May 2016, people are going to line up. I read something about the film this morning that, if it's not just a rumor and the subject matter is even teased in the trailer, could make audiences go apeshit. Zack and company seem like they're going about this carefully because there is a lot of pressure on them what with Avengers 2 on the way and Nolan's acclaimed Bat-trilogy in their rear view. (What's funny is for all the hate Goyer got for his script, people forget he's also responsible for the Dark Knight trilogy, with both he and Nolan providing the screenplays.)

Coon came out years ago. Mysterion was a combination of Batman and Rorschach. Coon is basically a take off on Wolverine. This is WELL before superheroes saturated the market to the point they have recently.

That's nice, but superhero parodies existed long before South Park in comics. Some examples: Cerebus the Aardvark (Dave Sim created the Wolveroach), The Tick, Megaton Man and DC's great '80s Justice League parody Captain Carrot & His Amazing Zoo Crew. Because you know you want to see a Bugs Bunny lookalike wear the Superduds.

No. If you know anything about South Park, you know they love to inject sckfi and fantasy (and 80's music) into their episodes. They already started injecting "superhero" stuff into their eps...and IMO, this is going to get the "we are sick of superhero movies" episode.

Robot Chicken makes fun of DC heroes with DC heroes, if you're into that.

Let me put it this way, when "Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls" came out, they went on a rampage of "Steven Spielberg raped Indiana Jones." That is what I am expecting from this.

KotCS was a misfire. Longtime Marvel scribe Peter David nailed it when he said they fucked up by fixing what wasn't broke, i.e. they shifted the focus from religious artifacts to extraterrestrial artifacts. That, and Shia LePoof sucked.

We'll find out two years from now, or whenever. I just can't see them passing up this "jump the shark" opportunity.

You have no basis to regard the film that way apart from your complaint that there are too many superhero films.

A ton of people will go see BvS so it would be dumb for South Park not to feature it at one point. No matter, all of that has nothing to do with the purpose of this thread.

I don't think how many people saw it even matters. They ripped off a fight scene from "Them", and hardly anybody knows about that film. They'll do it because they are a fan on the genre and it's overkill...that's all the motivation they need.

New episodes of South Park = overkill, but Matt and Trey don't know when to quit.

[verslibre]

Still didn't answer my question about jumping the shark because they simply aren't. Y

The very fact that it is BvS in itself could be said to be "Jumping the Shark". But, throw in Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and who knows who else, it is ABSOLUTELY jumping the shark by adding every superhero they can to get tickets sold.

You blow a lot of smoke, but there's no fire. It's premature to dismiss the film straight away because some other heroes will appear. Aquaman and Cyborg (who will complete the JL roster for the eventual film) will have very minor roles, especially Cyborg (Victor Stone, played by Ray Fisher, will probably only be shown getting into the accident that transforms him). Wonder Woman will have a larger role, but a supporting one. Her screen time may be comparable to Hawkeye's in Avengers — enough to see what they're capable of, in and out of action, but not somebody who is threaded throughout the entire film like Stark/Rogers/Romanoff.

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You're saying it's too much, but the audiences are saying otherwise because the genre is at its absolute PEAK right now without signs of slowing down

Yes, it's at its peak...and this is THE sign that they have run out of ideas. IMO, it will all be downhill from here.

More characters = running out of ideas? Horseshit, man. You're stepping in it.

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Superhero movies saved Hollywood in many ways as far as Blockbusters are concerned

I totally disagree with that. The "Lord of the Rings" movies did this YEARS before.

The movie market is retabled annually. If a movie makes a wad one year, and nothing does the next year, then that year is called a dud. In recent years, superhero films have been responsible for a large amount of box office grosses. There's no disputing that.

And, not all superhero movies did especially well...examples are in this very thread.

The only mega-flop of recent years has been Green Lantern, and that's because it took something like four months to make back its 200M budget.

Like I said, the market is saturated...both good and bad, and mediocre.

Why are they making more Star Wars films? We just had one. It's called Star Trek Into Darkness. Why not Spaceballs 2?

These movies are in high demand and for decades, a Batman/Superman/Justice League movie, contrary to your belief, are THEE movies fans and people have been wanting to see for forever.

But, marvel beat them to the market...and now they are just copying Marvel.

No, to copy Marvel would be to produce three more (Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Batman) solo films on top of MoS2, and then do Justice League, but they're not doing that.

With the industry now at its peak and climbing, there's no reason to believe that two of the most iconic pop-culture hero's (not only hero's, but symbols around the world) won't be another industry breakthrough.

Every bubble has to burst...and I think this is what is going to do it.

I think you may be wrong. These aren't second-tier characters like Black Widow and Hawkeye showing up to join the party. These are DC's three most iconic, their three oldest major superheroes, that are coming to the screen for the first time. Two of them are already household names — and face it, Batman never goes out of style — and WW is right behind them. I estimate this next film will surpass MoS2 with its exposition and action. The Kryptonians have been dealt with, so now we can move on to different scenarios and new faces.

[YoungJRNY]

I estimate this next film will surpass MoS2 with its exposition and action. The Kryptonians have been dealt with, so now we can move on to different scenarios and new faces.

Not only that, but when it comes to Superman/Batman, every interpretation we've had were tied down to, at the very LEAST, a set of rules and mythology stemming from an origin. Hell, even with Superman Returns, that Superman character simply needed to follow the rules of a 1970 prior universe.

With MoS, Zack Snyder and the studio had the MAJOR feat of not only rebooting Superman, but creating his worthy mythology into a new origin film that paid respects to his cannon while at the same time, needing to distance itself from all other prior Superman interpretations. It was a tough task that got some old-school fans and their panties in a bunch, but in the end, it was the correct direction.

Now, as Zack Snyder said, that is ALL out of the way and now both the Superman and Batman universe's will explode with creativity we've never seen before regarding the characters not being tied down to a specific origin. Exciting times are ahead for Supes and Bats in this universe. Supes for finally having a director and direction that will go above and beyond to try NEW things and Bats for finally honoring his comic book counterpart as far as combat and detective skills are concerned. I just can't FUCKING wait.

[verslibre]

I estimate this next film will surpass MoS2 with its exposition and action. The Kryptonians have been dealt with, so now we can move on to different scenarios and new faces.

Not only that, but when it comes to Superman/Batman, every interpretation we've had were tied down to, at the very LEAST, a set of rules and mythology stemming from an origin. Hell, even with Superman Returns, that Superman character simply needed to follow the rules of a 1970 prior universe.

In hindsight, the limitations imposed on Singer's version of Superman were nothing short of jarring. If he had actually moved to do a second movie, we would've gotten Zod, Ursa and Non again, in far more suggestive leather apparel. (Ursa probably would've carried a whip.) I would've expected a facesitting scene between Superman and Non, even. I bet Singer would've thrown this in, since the writers he helped hire enjoyed paying such a whopper of a tribute to '78:

[With MoS, Zack Snyder and the studio had the MAJOR feat of not only rebooting Superman, but creating his worthy mythology into a new origin film that paid respects to his cannon while at the same time, needing to distance itself from all other prior Superman interpretations. It was a tough task that got some old-school fans and their panties in a bunch, but in the end, it was the correct direction.

Indeed, we're finally past that major hump. The dorks who wet themselves over the action/violence are the anal types who want a completely fresh reboot every time they think Clark's time on the farm wasn't handled properly. I don't recall any major stink of that magnitude going down when John Byrne wrote and drew The Man of Steel in the '80s. Byrne's not my favorite comics personality, but I bought it and liked it and so did a lot of other people. It sold well. The whole point was to update a character. Zack did that, in spades. It was refreshing to experience a new vision the same way Nolan brought a new Batman that everyone didn't feel embarrassed to say they liked (F.U. Schumacher).

[Now, as Zack Snyder said, that is ALL out of the way and now both the Superman and Batman universe's will explode with creativity we've never seen before regarding the characters not being tied down to a specific origin. Exciting times are ahead for Supes and Bats in this universe. Supes for finally having a director and direction that will go above and beyond to try NEW things and Bats for finally honoring his comic book counterpart as far as combat and detective skills are concerned. I just can't FUCKING wait.

I read something not too spoiler-y about a development in BvS and I predict (since that word is being used a lot these days, ha) people are going to be thanking Zack after they leave the theater, posting and Tweeting that he's "made up for" the first MoS and all this shit. To reiterate what one guy said on CBR before they wiped it, regardless of what comes out the same weekend (like Cap 3), once people see footage of these characters onscreen, meeting for the first time in this new storyverse, they know what movie they're going to go watch first.

[YoungJRNY]

People thought they were ready to see two Kryptonian's battle it out on Earth and just couldn't handle the destruction these two God's had the potential to create. After Superman Returns, all people said was how it blew chunks of turd because Superman barely threw a punch and how the lack of action turned him into an uptight pussy.

Fans aren't a good barometer for basically anything. They don't know what they want. That's what I admire about MoS and Zack Snyder's approach to MoS. He said it numerous times that Superman creators always apologized for Superman being Superman for some reason and that he wasn't going to apologize for his interpretation. These are two Gods; Kryptonians.... now watch them FIGHT without the filter of humor and any attention to detail to take your eye off of the destruction it caused.

It was ALL right out there in front and I think that was as ballsy as it got. It frightened some people and I think that was Snyder's intention. Snyder got some flack, but finally somebody was not afraid to show what it would look like and he didn't hold back, something most Superman writers tend to do.

Besides, the destruction was no different than the insides of a Superman comic book or what was being showed in the animated series. I thought fans would be ready to see it without the crutch of humor. I was wrong but I'm glad we got it.

People forget that MoS is now the barometer for future films. It was always going to test the water of what went right and what went wrong and use that as motivation to make a better movie. Now that they have their backbone, they know what they need to work on as far as direction and execution and they already added Terrio to the crew to tighten up Goyers screenplay so there's no doubt in my mind they are going to eliminate their mistakes with MoS and focus on nothing but what made it work.