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Postby S2M » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:41 am

Enigma869 wrote:
StocktontoMalone wrote:I'm calling it right now:

Eagles - N.E.(provided they find a pass rush)


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I'm not sure what team you're watching that's giving you so much confidence. The pass rush is just one of MANY issues on this New England team. You do realize that they scored a whopping 3 points in the entire second half against Buffalo, right? You do realize that Brady threw for about 100 yards, right? You realize that the likes of Matt Moore, Chad Henne, and Mark Sanchez have looked like Dan Marino, John Elway, and Joe Montana against this defense, right? The playcalling on this team couldn't get worse if they tried. They don't spread the ball around, AT ALL. They come into a game and determine who is going to get the ball before the first pass is thrown, and that simply doesn't work. When Brady and the Patriots were at their best, they threw the ball all over the field to whomever was open. That's not happening this season. They're incredibly predictable and VERY easy to stop. If I were a coach on the other side of the field, I would have zero problem shutting this Patriots team down, whereas in seasons past, they were virtually impossible to shut down. Honestly, Patriots fans look like fucking dopes predicting that this team is going anywhere near the Super Bowl this season. This is a VERY average team and I'm stunned that they've won as many games as they've won.



I'd also bet next years salary that you were stunned when NE beat the Rams in 01. On any given sunday...blah, blah, blah....and this year more than the past. With a pass rush the secondary deficiencies wouldn't matter as much. The offense will take care of itself.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:53 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:Here's the Steelers possibilities at this moment.

First off, the Steelers MUST win out to finish 9-7. Assuming we win out, 4 of the following 5 things MUST happen as well:

1) Jaguars lose 1 game
- at New England
- vs Cleveland
- One loss will put the Jaguars at 8-8, where the Steelers will be ahead of them due to a better record. Otherwise if they win out and finish 9-7, they own the tiebreaker over the Steelers.

2) Jets lose 1 game
- at Indianapolis
- Cincinnati

- One loss will put the Jets at 8-8, where the Steelers will be ahead of them due to a better record. Otherwise if they win out and finish 9-7, they own the tiebreaker over the Steelers.

3) Ravens lose both games
- at Pittsburgh
- at Oakland
- Both losses will put the Ravens at 8-8, where the Steelers will be ahead of them due to a better record. If they Ravens only lose one and finish 9-7, they will own the tiebreaker against the Steelers for having a better divisonal record.

4) Broncos lose 1 game + Texans lose 1 game *OR* Broncos lose both games
- at Philadelphia
- vs Kansas City
- One loss will put the Broncos at 9-7. This will force a 3-way tiebreaker which the Texans will win, unless the Texans lose one game. Alternatively, the Broncos can simply lose out.

5) Texans lose 1 game *OR* Titans win out
- at Miami
- vs New England

- Losing one will put the Texans at 8-8. Otherwise if they win out & finish 9-7, they own the tiebreaker over the Steelers unless the Titans win out. If the Titans win out, it forces a 3-way tiebreaker in which the Steelers would win.

As for the rest of the teams in the hunt:

Titans
- The best they can finish is 9-7, even if they win out. We own the tiebreaker over them for beating them this year. They are no threat to our playoff hopes whatsoever. The Titans winning out will really help the Steelers, as it will force a 3-way tierbreaker between the Steelers, Titans, & Texans if all 3 teams win out. In this scenario, the Steelers get in over both teams. Also, if there is a 3 way 9-7 tie between Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Denver, the Steelers and Ravens get the #5 and #6 seeds. This is very possible for the Steelers to make it if we can win 2 games in a row.

Dolphins
- We play them in Week 17. If we win, the best they can finish is 8-8. They're really out of the playoff picture. It really helps us if they beat the Texans next week, as it eliminates Houston.



You fuckers in Shitsburgh are really grasping at straws putting this convoluted scenario together. Honestly, I think the Steelers are going to struggle against the Ravens and it wouldn't stun me to see the Dolphins give them a tough time. I can see the Jets losing both games, so you should be fine there. I doubt that the Jaguars lose to Cleveland, and I wouldn't be stunned to see them beat the Patriots, after giving the Colts all they could handle. Although the Ravens will probably lose to the Steelers, I can't see them losing to Oakland (unless they are completely out of it and not playing for anything at that point). The Broncos are beating Philly and may not even be good enough to beat Kansas City at this point (although they should). The Texans are the interesting scenario. If they beat Miami this week, they could be in a really good position against the Patriots in the final week. If the Patriots seeding is cemented after week 15, you won't even see Brady play in that final game. Belichick will rest as many guys as he can and simply hand Houston the game on a platter.

On another note, the teams that won't be a factor when the playoffs begin:

Bengals
Cardinals
Titans (if they get there)
Steelers (if they get there)
Patriots (they're in)

I like the Eagles from the NFC against the Chargers in the AFC for the Super Bowl. Eagles win it all.


Absolutely we're grasping, it's the only thing we got dude!

Still, all the things that the Steelers NEED to happen could work in their favor and is VERY possible. All this in the midst of winning the last two, and I agree, it will indeed be tough and I'm not going into these games guaranteeing a win by no means. Hell us winning the next two is more questionable than needing the teams we need to lose. With that said, Jax needs to lose one more, Jets need to lose one more, the Broncs need to lose at least one, and the Texans need to at least lose one. Ravens need to lose 1 besides us, and even though it's HIGHLY unlikely, the Raiders could beat the Ravens in the finale, but I don't see it. The Titans have NOTHING to do with the Steelers, the Steelers are actually rooting for the Titans to win out because in ANY category, the Steelers would eliminate the Titans.

I have a STRANGE feeling it's going to come down to a 3 way tie between Baltimore, Pittsburgh, and Denver at 9-7. If this happens, the Steelers and Ravens eliminate the Broncs because of head to head sweeps. We'll see. If not, then it's been one emotionally draining season, regardless.
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Postby X factor » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:55 am

No way I'm giving up on the Saints this early. No freakin' way!

I'm saying Saints / Colts or Saints / Bolts in the big game.
EVERYBODY is sleeping on this team right now over one loss to a desperate team (and with, what, 4 defensive starters and Jeremy Shockey on the bench?)
You guys know your stats and you know the game well, and I tip my hat to you for that. But I think NO is destined for the Super Bowl this year.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:57 am

StocktontoMalone wrote:I'd also bet next years salary that you were stunned when NE beat the Rams in 01.


Who wasn't? It's still the greatest upset in the history of the Super Bowl. I believe that the Patriots were 15 point underdogs in that game, and I thought they'd lose by 40!

StocktontoMalone wrote:On any given sunday...blah, blah, blah....and this year more than the past.


Obviously, I understand that. That doesn't mean there is ANY logical reason to think that this team is good enough to beat anyone, because they simply aren't. I get that any team can beat another team on a flukey play. I can tell you this...I promise you that in spite of what you're saying that there is NO fucking way you'd bet next year's salary on the Patriots going to the Super Bowl this season...let alone winning it. Listen...you're a Barry Sanders fan so you'll always be okay in my book. That said, there is NOTHING I loathe more than delusional sports fans (Augeri fans are a close second) with their cheerleader skirts on, babbling about how their team is going to win "just because". It's simply moronic and makes the person look like they don't have a fucking clue. There is simply zero rational explanation for having watched this dreadfully inconsistent Patriots team for the past 14 weeks and coming away thinking that they're a serious contender for anything, other than being the first team to be knocked out of the playoffs.


StocktontoMalone wrote:The offense will take care of itself.


Sure it will. Wish in one hand and shit in the other. Let me know which one shows up first :shock:
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Postby lights1961 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 4:59 am

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Edgar Bennet might not be AS FLASHY as PETERSON...but he gained more than 5 yards and 19 yards.....when they lost... he played HIS DAMN HEART OUT...

THAT PACKER TEAM had BLOOD, GUTS, HEART AND THE WILL... check this article out about Favre and Childress and the offense...



Edgar Bennett wasn't even the leading rusher in the Super Bowl. Dorsey Levens was. Bennett averaged about 2 yards per carry. Listen, I'm a huge Reggie White fan and am sad that he left this planet way too early. That said, the 96 Packers simply didn't have the endless weapons at every position that this Vikings team has. Jared Allen is every bit as dominant on the D line as Reggie White was during his best years. The difference is that White was that Packers defense and Allen is just one piece of the Vikings defense. Desmond Howard (who was a complete bust of a player in NFL after coming out of Michigan with all the hype in the world) averaged 40 yards on his kickoff returns, which was THE difference maker in field position in the Super Bowl against the Patriots that season, and in my opinion the reason the Packers won that game. That's to say nothing of a long punt return (I believe it was 35 or 40 yards) he had in the same game. Player for player, I'd take this Vikings team all day long. That 96 Packers team was a good team but they were never dominant.


we shall see in JANUARY... damn I forgot about Levens toward the end of that year kind of took over... long term memory loss there...

I just hope the Vikes lose one before the season is out... so the Saints get home field...
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:06 am

X factor wrote:No way I'm giving up on the Saints this early. No freakin' way!

I'm saying Saints / Colts or Saints / Bolts in the big game.
EVERYBODY is sleeping on this team right now over one loss to a desperate team (and with, what, 4 defensive starters and Jeremy Shockey on the bench?)
You guys know your stats and you know the game well, and I tip my hat to you for that. But I think NO is destined for the Super Bowl this year.



I don't agree with you that everyone is sleeping on the Saints. Honestly, them losing a game is the best possible thing that could have happened to them, in my opinion. I still think the Saints are going to be formidable come playoff time. If they had to go on the road for a playoff game outside of a dome in their first playoff game, I would pick the Saints to lose, regardless of the opponent. This is a dome team that is built for playing indoors on a green carpet...not grass. Because they're not going to have to leave a dome until the Super Bowl, they are definitely one of the top three NFC teams in my opinion (with Minnesota and Philadelphia being the others). I don't think the Saints being in the Super Bowl will surprise anyone (at least it shouldn't). They're a very good team and Brees is a great player.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:09 am

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That said, there is NOTHING I loathe more than delusional sports fans (Augeri fans are a close second) with their cheerleader skirts on, babbling about how their team is going to win "just because". It's simply moronic and makes the person look like they don't have a fucking clue. There is simply zero rational explanation for having watched this dreadfully inconsistent Patriots team for the past 14 weeks and coming away thinking that they're a serious contender for anything, other than being the first team to be knocked out of the playoffs.


i can't tell you how annoyed I'm already getting with the homer championship talk here in Cleveland for the Cavs. They are inconsistent, have tons of weaknesses, LeBron is fast turning into Rasheed Jr with his whining, and at this point would be damn lucky to get past the 2nd round of the East playoffs barring a trade between now and February. I'd love to eat my own words obviously, but wow, I hate homer sports fans.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:09 am

Who wasn't? It's still the greatest upset in the history of the Super Bowl. I believe that the Patriots were 15 point underdogs in that game, and I thought they'd lose by 40!


Uhh, I think you are forgetting ONE Super Bowl that should be in your recent memory, or maybe you just want forget it ASAP. Hint: It involves 14 point favorites, possible 19-0 and a score of 17-14. :lol:
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:10 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
Who wasn't? It's still the greatest upset in the history of the Super Bowl. I believe that the Patriots were 15 point underdogs in that game, and I thought they'd lose by 40!


Uhh, I think you are forgetting ONE Super Bowl that should be in your recent memory, or maybe you just want forget it ASAP. Hint: It involves 14 point favorites, possible 19-0 and a score of 17-14. :lol:


Touché sir :lol: :lol:
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Postby S2M » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:18 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
Who wasn't? It's still the greatest upset in the history of the Super Bowl. I believe that the Patriots were 15 point underdogs in that game, and I thought they'd lose by 40!


Uhh, I think you are forgetting ONE Super Bowl that should be in your recent memory, or maybe you just want forget it ASAP. Hint: It involves 14 point favorites, possible 19-0 and a score of 17-14. :lol:



Yes, the greatest upset was me upset at the refs for allowing the Giant's O-LINE to hold and manhandle the Pats defensive players on Eli's 'Great Escape'.....I will forever claim that the pats were blatantly held on that play, and I will forever agree that that was a GREAT catch by Tyree. Why Rodney couldn't knock that ball from his helmet will haunt my thoughts forever.

Thanks refs..... :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:20 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:
Who wasn't? It's still the greatest upset in the history of the Super Bowl. I believe that the Patriots were 15 point underdogs in that game, and I thought they'd lose by 40!


Uhh, I think you are forgetting ONE Super Bowl that should be in your recent memory, or maybe you just want forget it ASAP. Hint: It involves 14 point favorites, possible 19-0 and a score of 17-14. :lol:



Yes, the greatest upset was me upset at the refs for allowing the Giant's O-LINE to hold and manhandle the Pats defensive players on Eli's 'Great Escape'.....I will forever claim that the pats were blatantly held on that play, and I will forever agree that that was a GREAT catch by Tyree. Why Rodney couldn't knock that ball from his helmet will haunt my thoughts forever.

Thanks refs..... :lol:


Oh, JESUS CHRIST DUDE.

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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:31 am

Speaking of holding. This is possibly the worst NON call in a Wild Card playoff game to date.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wB7jbqP-NPk

Watch James Harrison get held like you wouldn't BELIEVE. He would of made the play. Shame on somebody for not seeing this clear as day. The Steelers win if they stop them there and advance to the Division round.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:31 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
Uhh, I think you are forgetting ONE Super Bowl that should be in your recent memory, or maybe you just want forget it ASAP. Hint: It involves 14 point favorites, possible 19-0 and a score of 17-14. :lol:



How does a 14 point spread make that a bigger upset than a 15 point spread? Sorry dude...don't agree, AT ALL. There were plenty of people who predicted the Giants to win (I wasn't one of them). You couldn't find 6 people in New England who thought that Patriots team had ANY shot of beating the Rams in 2001! I thought the spread in that Giants/Patriots Super Bowl was completely fucking ridiculous, considering that the Giants almost beat them on the final game of the season.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:42 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:
Uhh, I think you are forgetting ONE Super Bowl that should be in your recent memory, or maybe you just want forget it ASAP. Hint: It involves 14 point favorites, possible 19-0 and a score of 17-14. :lol:



How does a 14 point spread make that a bigger upset than a 15 point spread? Sorry dude...don't agree, AT ALL. There were plenty of people who predicted the Giants to win (I wasn't one of them). You couldn't find 6 people in New England who thought that Patriots team had ANY shot of beating the Rams in 2001! I thought the spread in that Giants/Patriots Super Bowl was completely fucking ridiculous, considering that the Giants almost beat them on the final game of the season.


You need to take your own advice and I quote: "Put down the crackpipe!" 14, or 15 points or not, that doesn't matter. It's a lousy point to a lousy rebuttal. You need to stop the bark now because there's no way, no hell this argument has any bite. The Patriots entered the game 18-0, talk of one of the greatest teams ever, not to mention the greatest dynasty ever, facing a team they have already beat in the finale and had an offense that scored close to 50 points a game! Sorry dude, but the Patriots losing in '42 is BY FAR the biggest upset in the Super Bowl, and some consider it the biggest upset of ALL.

As far as the Pats fans thinking the Pats had 0 chance at winning in '01 well.. that just goes to show how far the Chowder fans have come and I'll say to THIS DAY that noone even knew of the Pats before the '01 season. You mean to tell me they made their way through the playoffs, beat Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh and the fans had NO faith to win on the BIGGEST STAGE? What the hell is that? :shock: I was actually rooting for New England because I loved seeing a Cinderella story and just because only of 6 people in New England only thought the team had a chance, doesn't mean everyone else thought they didn't. I knew they had a shot, you could just tell by how everything lined up for them that year and at that point. It was certainly an upset, but NO WAY as big of an upset that the Giants put on NE in 42.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:51 am

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You need to take your own advice and I quote: "Put down the crackpipe!" 14, or 15 points or not, that doesn't matter. It's a lousy point to a lousy rebuttal. You need to stop the bark now because there's no way, no hell this argument has any bite. The Patriots entered the game 18-0, talk of one of the greatest teams ever, not to mention the greatest dynasty ever, facing a team they have already beat in the finale and had an offense that scored close to 50 points a game! Sorry dude, but the Patriots losing in '42 is BY FAR the biggest upset in the Super Bowl, and some consider it the biggest upset of ALL.

As far as the Pats fans thinking the Pats had 0 chance at winning in '01 well.. that just goes to show how far the Chowder fans have come and I'll say to THIS DAY that noone even knew of the Pats before the '01 season. You mean to tell me they made their way through the playoffs, beat Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh and the fans had NO faith to win on the BIGGEST STAGE? What the hell is that? :shock: I was actually rooting for New England because I loved seeing a Cinderella story and just because only of 6 people in New England only thought the team had a chance, doesn't mean everyone else thought they didn't. I knew they had a shot, you could just tell by how everything lined up for them that year and at that point. It was certainly an upset, but NO WAY as big of an upset that the Giants put on NE in 42.


Sorry dude...you have no fucking clue, as usual. Considering that you were probably in second grade in 2001, I'm not surprised that you've conveniently forgotten about the Rams' "Greatest Show On Turf". I certainly don't disagree that the Patriots losing to the Giants in 2007 was an upset. It clearly was. It still doesn't change the fact that the 2001 Patriots were a bigger underdog than the 2007 Giants. Considering that the Patriots barely beat the Giants in the final game of the season, there was no reason to think they couldn't play the game of their life and steal a victory, which is exactly what they did.
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Postby Don » Tue Dec 22, 2009 5:59 am

I think if the roughing the QB rules were enforced in that Super Bowl as they are in today's games, Rams win that game. Warner was hit in the head on the interception returned for a touchdown. I think that would be flagged nowadays.
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Postby S2M » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:03 am

Gunbot wrote:I think if the roughing the QB rules were enforced in that Super Bowl as they are in today's games, Rams win that game. Warner was hit in the head on the interception returned for a touchdown. I think that would be flagged nowadays.


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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Dec 22, 2009 6:11 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:
You need to take your own advice and I quote: "Put down the crackpipe!" 14, or 15 points or not, that doesn't matter. It's a lousy point to a lousy rebuttal. You need to stop the bark now because there's no way, no hell this argument has any bite. The Patriots entered the game 18-0, talk of one of the greatest teams ever, not to mention the greatest dynasty ever, facing a team they have already beat in the finale and had an offense that scored close to 50 points a game! Sorry dude, but the Patriots losing in '42 is BY FAR the biggest upset in the Super Bowl, and some consider it the biggest upset of ALL.

As far as the Pats fans thinking the Pats had 0 chance at winning in '01 well.. that just goes to show how far the Chowder fans have come and I'll say to THIS DAY that noone even knew of the Pats before the '01 season. You mean to tell me they made their way through the playoffs, beat Pittsburgh IN Pittsburgh and the fans had NO faith to win on the BIGGEST STAGE? What the hell is that? :shock: I was actually rooting for New England because I loved seeing a Cinderella story and just because only of 6 people in New England only thought the team had a chance, doesn't mean everyone else thought they didn't. I knew they had a shot, you could just tell by how everything lined up for them that year and at that point. It was certainly an upset, but NO WAY as big of an upset that the Giants put on NE in 42.


Sorry dude...you have no fucking clue, as usual. Considering that you were probably in second grade in 2001, I'm not surprised that you've conveniently forgotten about the Rams' "Greatest Show On Turf". I certainly don't disagree that the Patriots losing to the Giants in 2007 was an upset. It clearly was. It still doesn't change the fact that the 2001 Patriots were a bigger underdog than the 2007 Giants. Considering that the Patriots barely beat the Giants in the final game of the season, there was no reason to think they couldn't play the game of their life and steal a victory, which is exactly what they did.


You fail miserably here, Johnny. I remember the game pretty well and remember that Rams offense. Loved the Blue and Yellow uni's for some reason, but you said it all, the Giants had to play the game of their life and they pulled the ultimate upset EVER. I can't believe your actually arguing such a thing. Even though sometimes your blinded by your own mental state, the 2007, unstoppable, undefeated, 18-0 New England Patriots losing to a 5th Wild Carded team is BY FAR the biggest upset in the game.

This article agrees, as well as every other one:

Biggest Upsets in Super Bowl History.

5. XXV: Jan. 27, 1991

Giants 20, Bills 19

This could easily be one of the best games of all time. The consensus was the Bills' no-huddle offense would be too much for the Giants. But New York, a seven-point underdog, showed the best way to stop a good offense is to keep it off the field, using a gritty ground attack to hold onto the ball for 40 minutes, 33 seconds. Everything about the game in Tampa was tense, from the added security stemming from terrorist activities linked with the Persian Gulf War to the shocking ending — Bills K Scott Norwood missed a 47-yard field goal with just seconds left. Wide right. Enough said.

4. III: Jan. 12, 1969

Jets 16, Colts 7

QB Joe Namath's famous "guarantee" and resulting MVP performance put this one in Super Bowl lore. The Jets were 18-point underdogs by game time, but three days before, Namath deadpanned, "We're gonna win the game. I guarantee it." He carried the upstart Jets, going 17-of-28 for 206 yards, spearheading an offense that tallied 337 yards. The Colts folded, turning the ball over five times in Miami.

3. IV: Jan. 11, 1970

Chiefs 23, Vikings 7

With the Vikings 12-point favorites in New Orleans, not many gave the Chiefs a chance. But Kansas City stunned the crowd by taking a 16-0 halftime lead. They were led by QB Len Dawson (12-of-17, 142 yards, TD), who rebounded through an adversity-filled year. Dawson lost his father before the regular-season finale then dealt with a report before the Vikings game that he would be summoned to testify in a federal investigation into sports gambling (Dawson denied any involvement).

2. XXXVI: Feb. 3, 2002

Patriots 20, St. Louis 17

Nobody could slow down the Rams' "Greatest Show on Turf" all season. They won by an average of two TDs per game and were 14-point favorites against the Patriots, who would parlay this upset into a dynasty (three titles in four years). But New England came onto the field with no introductions (showing unity) and played an all-around strong game in New Orleans to win — thanks to a 48-yard field goal by Adam Vinatieri as time expired. "We," Patriots S Lawyer Milloy said, "shocked the world."

1. XLII: Feb. 3, 2008

Giants 17, Patriots 14

The Patriots were minutes away from joining immortality, just the second team in NFL history to achieve a perfect season. But Giants QB Eli Manning and an improbable catch by unheralded WR David Tyree helped the 14-point underdogs earn the dramatic upset in Glendale, Ariz. Manning hit WR Plaxico Burress for a 13-yard touchdown with 35 seconds left, just after Tyree's highlight-reel grab — in which Manning somehow avoided a sack and tossed the ball to Tyree, who leaped and pinned it against his helmet before holding on. It was the Giants' 11th consecutive road win and the first loss for the Patriots in more than a year.



Also a poll on NFL MBC
Live Vote
What's the biggest upset in Super Bowl history? * 24822 responses


Jets beat Colts (Super Bowl III)
27%

Giants stun Patriots (XLII)

61%


Chiefs upend Vikings (IV)

1.1%

Broncos surprise Packers (XXXII)

3.2%

Patriots hold off Rams (XXXVI)

3.2%


Raiders pop Redskins (XVIII)

1.1%

Raiders beat Eagles (XV)

0.7%

Giants edge Bills (XXV)

2.2%

The Pats, out of 24822 responses, won the poll a WHOPPING 61 %!

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/22984807/


If you type in "biggest upset in Superbowl" in the Yahoo search box, the FIRST option is this:

Giants prevent perfect season, beating Patriots 17-14


I know it's tough to juggle in one hand your team upsetting a favorite, but in the other your team being the culprit of the upset. Must stink to realize that one of them is more heavily considered over the other, this one being the Giants over Pats. :lol:
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 7:12 am

I could care less what any article says young lad. I don't need to read articles to form an opinion. Polls are moronic and the most recent event always ranks very high. Regardless of what you say, it doesn't change the fact that the Patriots were a bigger underdog in 2001 than the Giants were in 2007.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:35 am

Enigma869 wrote: Regardless of what you say, it doesn't change the fact that the Patriots were a bigger underdog in 2001 than the Giants were in 2007.


Yes...kind of:

The Pats were 14 point uderdogs in 2001 and 13 1/2 point favorites 2 years ago. However, casino lines usually fluctuate a half point to a point depending on "action." Hence, it was pretty much the same "spread."
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:40 am

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Enigma869 wrote: Regardless of what you say, it doesn't change the fact that the Patriots were a bigger underdog in 2001 than the Giants were in 2007.


Yes...kind of:

The Pats were 14 point uderdogs in 2001 and 13 1/2 point favorites 2 years ago. However, casino lines usually fluctuate a half point to a point depending on "action." Hence, it was pretty much the same "spread."


I just look at it as the Pats were pretty much raping every one all year long. That 01 Rams team was dominant, but nothing like the Pats, at least not to my memory. The spread doesn't make nearly as much of a difference as the "roll" the Pats were on, to me.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:44 am

Enigma869 wrote:I could care less what any article says young lad. I don't need to read articles to form an opinion. Polls are moronic and the most recent event always ranks very high. Regardless of what you say, it doesn't change the fact that the Patriots were a bigger underdog in 2001 than the Giants were in 2007.


I think you need to reverse that dude. Regardless of lines, that's the biggest upset ever on circumstance alone.
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Postby Saint John » Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:46 am

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Enigma869 wrote:I could care less what any article says young lad. I don't need to read articles to form an opinion. Polls are moronic and the most recent event always ranks very high. Regardless of what you say, it doesn't change the fact that the Patriots were a bigger underdog in 2001 than the Giants were in 2007.


I think you need to reverse that dude. Regardless of lines, that's the biggest upset ever on circumstance alone.


The Jets were 18 point underdogs and were mathematically the biggest underdogs ever to win.
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:07 am

The fallout from Favre's whining all week should be interesting to watch

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4761127

Has there ever been a controversy this guy hasn't blown way beyond proportion? How can anyone root for this fuck stick?
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Postby RossValoryRocks » Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:41 am

Enigma869 wrote:I could care less what any article says young lad. I don't need to read articles to form an opinion. Polls are moronic and the most recent event always ranks very high. Regardless of what you say, it doesn't change the fact that the Patriots were a bigger underdog in 2001 than the Giants were in 2007.


Your disdain of polls is amusing considering a line is nothing more that a poll of bookies trying to ensure they get the most money they can get.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:02 pm

ESPN is announcing that Mike Holmgren is taking over the Cleveland Browns franchise (not as a coach).
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:06 pm

Enigma869 wrote:ESPN is announcing that Mike Holmgren is taking over the Cleveland Browns franchise (not as a coach).


Yup, as Team President. It means Manweenie is gone almost for sure, imo. I'm excited - he's said to be bringing in a GM and other personnel, including most likely a head coach. I think he will do it right. We finally have someone with pedigree here, not some no-talent jackass that rode Belichick's coattails.
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Postby Enigma869 » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:32 pm

Anyone watching this Monday night game? What a fucked up game. There are only 8 minutes left in the half and the Redskins have had the ball for a whole one minute in the entire half. I'm not sure that I've ever seen a time of possession quite this lopsided. Fuck, the Redskins defense is already gassed and better take a nap at halftime!
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Postby Ehwmatt » Tue Dec 22, 2009 12:34 pm

Enigma869 wrote:Anyone watching this Monday night game? What a fucked up game. There are only 8 minutes left in the half and the Redskins have had the ball for a whole one minute in the entire half. I'm not sure that I've ever seen a time of possession quite this lopsided. Fuck, the Redskins defense is already gassed and better take a nap at halftime!


Turned it off, not worth watching at all.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Tue Dec 22, 2009 11:40 pm

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Enigma869 wrote:ESPN is announcing that Mike Holmgren is taking over the Cleveland Browns franchise (not as a coach).


Yup, as Team President. It means Manweenie is gone almost for sure, imo. I'm excited - he's said to be bringing in a GM and other personnel, including most likely a head coach. I think he will do it right. We finally have someone with pedigree here, not some no-talent jackass that rode Belichick's coattails.


You saw what Parcell's did with Miami, maybe the Walrus can do the same with the Brownies.

ehh, maybe not 8)
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