President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Monker]

It is already documented that several of the emails were SAP emails. These are emails that are soo top secret that you require a special code to access them. These were not elevated to "classified" status. They are ALWAYS considered classified. Again, you are a total hack. Get the fuck out of here.

That's just not true. It was not documented. If it was, post the text of the Emails.

It was "reported", in an article that several SAP Emails were found. In other words, it was LEAKED...and I believe this was one of the leaks that happened just a week or so before the Iowa caucus.

The TRUTH is, conservative media jumped all over this - from one article and one anonymous source - to the point where naïve people like you take it as a "fact". It's NOT a fact. NOBODY but the FBI knows what this article was talking about. Nobody really even knows if these SAP emails even exist.

Again, it's POLITICS. You just are so biased and naïve that you buy into anything negative towards Clinton.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That's just not true. It was not documented. If it was, post the text of the Emails.

It was "reported", in an article that several SAP Emails were found. In other words, it was LEAKED...and I believe this was one of the leaks that happened just a week or so before the Iowa caucus.

The TRUTH is, conservative media jumped all over this - from one article and one anonymous source - to the point where naïve people like you take it as a "fact". It's NOT a fact. NOBODY but the FBI knows what this article was talking about. Nobody really even knows if these SAP emails even exist.

Again, it's POLITICS. You just are so biased and naïve that you buy into anything negative towards Clinton.

If by "anonymous source" you mean the Inspector General of the intelligence community, you'd be 100% correct. The IG's letter documenting the SAP emails was confirmed by NBC news and also Politico. Does that sound like conservative media to you? Spin as hard as you'd like, this is not a witch hunt.

That's just not true. She had permission to use it.

Riiiight. And she had permission to wipe the server too, I guess? SAP emails are born classified. They were not retroactively upgraded. You're a liar.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That may be your view...but I doubt VERY much that is the view of the majority of the viewers.

With any luck, the viewers at home are not as gullible as you. Hillary has been advocating fracking for years. Her trustworthiness rankings are lower than Nixon during Watergate, so you are clearly in a very slim brain-dead minority. Take a bow.

She answered the question. You may not like her answer and have critique

If she has nothing to hide, she should release the transcripts. End of story. Hiding behind the Republicans is not an answer, it's a dodge.

No, I put "lie" in quotes because I was quoting YOU. If BERNIE believed it was a "lie" he did not do nearly enough to prove it.

Factcheck.org has already confirmed it as a lie - as if there was any doubt. Looks like you’ve been had again.

[Monker]

Now you are talking about an Email Charles McCollough sent. And, again, this is stuff that is LEAKED for political gain. It's as simple as that. You don't know what was said in these Emails. You don't know if she received them unsolicited, or if she passed it on to someone else. You simply don't know the specifics of it. You assume it is some illegal thing because you are told it is an illegal thing.

And, FOX is where this story originated...not NBC. NBC wrote an article to play catch up. Again, one week before the Iowa caucus....IT'S POLITICS. Hardly anything about this has been said since.

[Monker]

With any luck, the viewers at home are not as gullible as you. Hillary has been advocating fracking for years. Her trustworthiness rankings are lower than Nixon during Watergate, so you are clearly in a very slim brain-dead minority. Take a bow.

You are just going for schematics now. Bernie did NOT win the debate.

As for negatives, they are still not as high as Trump's...so that is a non-issue in November.

If she has nothing to hide, she should release the transcripts. End of story. Hiding behind the Republicans is not an answer, it's a dodge.

That's your opinion. But, even if that is true......Bernie still did NOT WIN THE DEBATE, or help himself win the nomination during that debate.

Factcheck.org has already confirmed it as a lie - as if there was any doubt. Looks like you’ve been had again.

You are talking nonsense now. I didn't say it was a lie, I didn't say it wasn't. It's irrelevant. It's irrelevant because Bernie did not argue the point in any effective way. It came out a draw....and in a draw, Clinton wins.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Now you are talking about an Email Charles McCollough sent.

The Inspector General letter was obtained by NBC news. That's called journalism. Deal with it. You wanted "documentation" of SAP emails? There ya go. It's been reported on by multiple sources, not just AM talk radio or bullshit blogs.

And, again, this is stuff that is LEAKED for political gain. It's as simple as that.

You could say this about any news story. Ellsberg giving the Pentagon Papers to the NYTimes could be dismissed as a purely partisan act. This is just a way of trivializing the issue. As I already stated, the SAP material on her server was NOT retroactively classified. That is lie put out by the Hillary people and repeated here unquestioningly by you.

And, FOX is where this story originated...not NBC. NBC wrote an article to play catch up.

Multiple news sources reported and confirmed the letter. Again, that's called journalism. Sorry if it makes her highness, Hillary, look like the crook she is.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You are just going for schematics now. Bernie did NOT win the debate.

Not from what I saw. Numerous post-debate polls also decisively gave the win to Bernie. Beltway media house organs like the Washington Post and NBC News declared the Hillary the winner. Ultimately, this is all subjective, so your point is WHAT exactly? Hillary's camp didn't even wait for the debate to end before disseminating press releases playing the gender/sexism card. All because Bernie dared to say "Excuse me" as Hillary repeatedly interrupted. Desperate tactics from a desperate switfboatian campaign.

As for negatives, they are still not as high as Trump's...so that is a non-issue in November.

Trump just became a politician this year. The public opinion on him is not fixed. Many voters aren't even paying attention yet. Hillary, on the other hand, is a known entity - and a proven liar. Stop hiding behind Trump.

You are talking nonsense now. I didn't say it was a lie, I didn't say it wasn't. It's irrelevant. It's irrelevant because Bernie did not argue the point in any effective way. It came out a draw....and in a draw, Clinton wins.

You mention "winning" more often than Charlie Sheen. Lying is only "irrelevant" if we have reached some new post-truth reality, where the only thing that matters is the scoreboard. A win for Hillary remains a win for Goldman Sachs, private prisons, big pharma, and the military industrial complex. I would rather give the White House to a Republican for a 100 years.

[ohsherrie]

I still maintain that our government and political system is so corrupt that nothing will get any better for the people of this country if the people continue to accept business as usual.

I, like millions of others made up of both parties and independents, are voting for Trump to send a message that we're not accepting it any more.

I figure I can't really lose. Whether Trump is elected or not he will have destroyed the Republican Party as we have known it since Reagan. If he gets the nomination he has a good chance of winning and things will be shaken up in DC and the rep party. If they take the nomination away from him with dirty tactics the rep party loses what little credibility Bush left them with.

No other candidate can beat Hillary and she is the least offensive to me of the political mainstream candidates. From my standpoint breaking up the rep party will be the big win.

[Boomchild]

Yet another Clinton nail.

http://www.investors.com/politics/edito ... t-blew-up/

Wonder if they have given Bryan Pagliano witness protection to help avoid him from having "a deadly accident".

[Boomchild]

Not a good sign for Rubio. If he should tank in the FLA primary I wonder if he will continue with his run?

Marco Rubio spoke to a 'nearly empty' stadium today in Florida

CNN's Jason Carroll reported live from the event, held at a high school football stadium, and said it was "much, much smaller" than previous Rubio events, with only a "couple hundred" people "not even filling the end zone." To really pour some salt into the wound, CNN's graphics department went with the breaking news caption "Stadium nearly empty for Rubio rally," and the Washington Examiner's Byron York snapped a photo as proof:


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

[The_Noble_Cause]

Not a good sign for Rubio. If he should tank in the FLA primary I wonder if he will continue with his run?

Marco Rubio spoke to a 'nearly empty' stadium today in Florida

CNN's Jason Carroll reported live from the event, held at a high school football stadium, and said it was "much, much smaller" than previous Rubio events, with only a "couple hundred" people "not even filling the end zone." To really pour some salt into the wound, CNN's graphics department went with the breaking news caption "Stadium nearly empty for Rubio rally," and the Washington Examiner's Byron York snapped a photo as proof:


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

He has won a total of 0 primaries. It's over.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That may be your view...but I doubt VERY much that is the view of the majority of the viewers.

Her 20 point lead in Michigan completely vanished. Her "artful smears" about Bernie's record backfired. Seems the voters of Michigan are a helluva alot more perceptive than you. And yet again, she lost independents and the youth vote by insurmountable margins.

He cleaned her clock in the Univision debate last night too. Her face at the end when the audience erupted into a standing ovation for Bernie was priceless. Let me guess: another "draw" in your opinion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gex0bIS-xFU

[Monker]

Not a good sign for Rubio. If he should tank in the FLA primary I wonder if he will continue with his run?

Marco Rubio spoke to a 'nearly empty' stadium today in Florida

CNN's Jason Carroll reported live from the event, held at a high school football stadium, and said it was "much, much smaller" than previous Rubio events, with only a "couple hundred" people "not even filling the end zone." To really pour some salt into the wound, CNN's graphics department went with the breaking news caption "Stadium nearly empty for Rubio rally," and the Washington Examiner's Byron York snapped a photo as proof:


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/ ... li=BBnb7Kz

He has won a total of 0 primaries. It's over.

Don't be surprised if he stays in it. The "establishment" doesn't like either Trump or Cruz. So, if they want to force an issue at the convention, having Rubio available to steal votes away give them hope.

[Monker]

I still maintain that our government and political system is so corrupt that nothing will get any better for the people of this country if the people continue to accept business as usual.

I, like millions of others made up of both parties and independents, are voting for Trump to send a message that we're not accepting it any more.

I figure I can't really lose. Whether Trump is elected or not he will have destroyed the Republican Party as we have known it since Reagan. If he gets the nomination he has a good chance of winning and things will be shaken up in DC and the rep party. If they take the nomination away from him with dirty tactics the rep party loses what little credibility Bush left them with.

No other candidate can beat Hillary and she is the least offensive to me of the political mainstream candidates. From my standpoint breaking up the rep party will be the big win.

Here is the BIG issue with this election:

Trump is an American version of Hitler...and that is a serious comparison. My God, the guy wants to legalize torture. WFT.
Cruz comes off like a used car salesman with a Bible.
Sanders is a self described socialist.
Clinton has her scandals.

This is a cycle where we may actually see a "third party" emerge. It may not truly come until after the election but we have Trump who is basically so extreme he is running as a fascist and the Democrats are EMBRACING socialism. So, the two parties are so extreme that the middle has no one really to vote for. So, if ever there were a time for a third party to truly emerge, it is now...with the "normal" people from both sides joining.

You're right that Trump will destroy the Republican party. But, as President he would destroy America. I truly believe that. Electing him is a horrifying idea. Nominating him will do enough to destroy the Republican party.

Clinton is the most sane person available. If she doesn't win, this country will completely fall apart.

[Monker]

That may be your view...but I doubt VERY much that is the view of the majority of the viewers.

Her 20 point lead in Michigan completely vanished. Her "artful smears" about Bernie's record backfired. Seems the voters of Michigan are a helluva alot more perceptive than you. And yet again, she lost independents and the youth vote by insurmountable margins.

He cleaned her clock in the Univision debate last night too. Her face at the end when the audience erupted into a standing ovation for Bernie was priceless. Let me guess: another "draw" in your opinion?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gex0bIS-xFU

And, she won in Mississippi. Sanders is not going to be able to catch up.

As for the Univision debate - I didn't watch it. There's already been too many debates and I'm tired of them.

[steveo777]

I still maintain that our government and political system is so corrupt that nothing will get any better for the people of this country if the people continue to accept business as usual.

I, like millions of others made up of both parties and independents, are voting for Trump to send a message that we're not accepting it any more.

I figure I can't really lose. Whether Trump is elected or not he will have destroyed the Republican Party as we have known it since Reagan. If he gets the nomination he has a good chance of winning and things will be shaken up in DC and the rep party. If they take the nomination away from him with dirty tactics the rep party loses what little credibility Bush left them with.

No other candidate can beat Hillary and she is the least offensive to me of the political mainstream candidates. From my standpoint breaking up the rep party will be the big win.

Here is the BIG issue with this election:

Trump is an American version of Hitler...and that is a serious comparison. My God, the guy wants to legalize torture. WFT.
Cruz comes off like a used car salesman with a Bible.
Sanders is a self described socialist.
Clinton has her scandals.

This is a cycle where we may actually see a "third party" emerge. It may not truly come until after the election but we have Trump who is basically so extreme he is running as a fascist and the Democrats are EMBRACING socialism. So, the two parties are so extreme that the middle has no one really to vote for. So, if ever there were a time for a third party to truly emerge, it is now...with the "normal" people from both sides joining.

You're right that Trump will destroy the Republican party. But, as President he would destroy America. I truly believe that. Electing him is a horrifying idea. Nominating him will do enough to destroy the Republican party.

Clinton is the most sane person available. If she doesn't win, this country will completely fall apart.

Are you a Trumpaphobe? Hitler...Really? You are so fucking dense. Those people are cutting off people's heads, putting people into cages and drowning them, massively raping women, stoning women to death, etc. You think those fucking Islamic extremists deserve any mercy? I say water board the fuck out of them and more...... Trump is calling Islam what it is, a cult religion of war and violence, not peace. You know, they don't have to live here. No reason for our country to become a 13th century shit hole like they left. Just ask UK, France and Germany how they feel. Radical Islam is repeating the genocide of Hitler and you want to reverse it and say such a thing about Trump? Trump is speaking to true American patriots, who do not want to see our country further destroyed by foreigners, who want to come here and impose their insane customs and laws (shariah) upon us. They are the war on women and gays. Trump is right, ban them until we can figure out what is going on and how to block the radical Islamic extremists.

[The_Noble_Cause]

This is a cycle where we may actually see a "third party" emerge. It may not truly come until after the election but we have Trump who is basically so extreme he is running as a fascist and the Democrats are EMBRACING socialism. So, the two parties are so extreme that the middle has no one really to vote for. So, if ever there were a time for a third party to truly emerge, it is now...with the "normal" people from both sides joining.

But Trump and Sanders AREN'T just bringing out the true believers in the parties' respective bases, they are attracting independents in record numbers. So what you are saying here is just baseless crap. Bloomberg has already decided not to run. There is no opening for an independent. The ideological independents are already the front-runners: Trump and Bernie. And both take turns refreshingly criticizing their own parties.

Clinton is the most sane person available. If she doesn't win, this country will completely fall apart.

I think you mean "most corrupt" - and the electorate, with the exception of a few shithead dimbulbs in the South, want no fucking part of her.

And, she won in Mississippi. Sanders is not going to be able to catch up.

Once she gets indited, it won't matter. As Andrew Napolitano said this week, the FBI "has the goods on Clinton". Watch this space.

https://www.lewrockwell.com/2016/03/and ... s-hillary/

[steveo777]

Still shaking my head. Monker thinks we need to go easy on radical Islamic extremists. I say he should go over there and live among them and see how long he can keep his head.
Trump is the only one who might actually deal with that.

[JBlake]

Inside Hollywood's Quiet, Growing Support for Donald Trump

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/i ... ort-874433

2016 US elections 

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Donald Trump says he's heard 'everyone in Hollywood' plans to vote for him, but they won't admit it


End of alert

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Meet Some Of Chicago’s Trump Democrats

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/03/10/ ... democrats/

Hollywood - Liberal lalaland supporting a Republican? I find that hard to believe. Extremely hard to believe.

[Monker]

What I think is funny is I made this comparison MONTHS ago...before Trump got critiqued for leading crowds in Nazi salutes.

Trump has been acting more like Hitler than any candidate for President, ever. He deserves the comparison. If he could gas and burn all Muslims, leading this nation into performing another religious genocide, he would. But, that's not even the scariest thing.

The scariest thing is people like you and KC would justify it as being the right thing to do and very enthusiastically support it.

[Monker]

WTF?

Rubio's campaign tells Ohio supporters to vote for Kasich to stop Trump

I cant wait for Trump to kick their asses!

I told you, the establishment wants a contested convention. I'm sure they want to nominate either Rubio, Kasich, or Romney.

[JBlake]

Former Hillary Clinton IT specialist Bryan Pagliano, a key witness in the email probe who struck an immunity deal with the Justice Department, has told the FBI a range of details about how her personal email system was set up, according to an intelligence source close to the case who called him a “devastating witness.”

The source said Pagliano told the FBI who had access to the former secretary of state’s system – as well as when – and what devices were used, amounting to a roadmap for investigators.

The source, who is not authorized to speak on the record due to the sensitivity of the ongoing investigation, said Pagliano has provided information allowing investigators to knit together the emails with other evidence, including images of Clinton on the road as secretary of state.

The cross-referencing of evidence could help investigators pinpoint potential gaps in the email record. "Don't forget all those photos with her using various devices and it is easy to track the whereabouts of her phone," the source said. "It is still boils down to a paper case. Did you email at this time from your home or elsewhere using this device? And here is a picture of you and your aides holding the devices."

A source close to Pagliano did not dispute the basic details of what was provided to the FBI, but said the highly skilled former State Department IT specialist had met with the bureau on a "limited basis" and was at best a "peripheral" player in the investigation.

I'm sure Bryan Pagliano's on deck for the classic Magnum Force Clint Eastwood - Hal Holbrook moment "....You're about to become extinct".

Hillary should be executed for treason. And then drag that bitch's dried up carcass through the streets.

[JBlake]

I need to find someone who can make me a Hillary Clinton voodoo doll so I can stick it in the microwave for three or four days.

[JBlake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uAuuQnh90s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZM9wMKoF0Y

[The_Noble_Cause]

If he could gas and burn all Muslims, leading this nation into performing another religious genocide, he would. But, that's not even the scariest thing.

Riiiiight. You sound exactly like the nuts on the opposite side who said Obama was in favor of "death panels." Get a grip.

[JBlake]

Just can't make this shit up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6uYvsf_5YE

[Monker]

If he could gas and burn all Muslims, leading this nation into performing another religious genocide, he would. But, that's not even the scariest thing.

Riiiiight. You sound exactly like the nuts on the opposite side who said Obama was in favor of "death panels." Get a grip.

Dude, HE says he was to legalize torture. HE says he wants to target FAMILIES. HE says he wants to do much worse. I have NO DOUBT that if he could put all Muslims in death camps and commit mass murder, he would....and I have no doubt that some people who vote for him would try to justify it.

These are HIS words, not the equivalent of some Republican nut who wants to see Obama's "real" birth certificate cuz so many funky things are happening in HI.

Oh, wait, I guess that is the same thing.

Trump is the fucking nut.

[Monker]

Dude stop deceiving yourself, I watched that Trump rally where people held up their hands and it was totally hilarious, it was not a Nazi salute as you guys mistakenly claim. It was very light hearted and damn funny. You people need to stop making things up.

I made the Hitler comparison MONTHS ago because his campaign is based on stirring hatred...hatred of immigrants, hatred of Muslims, hatred of the "establishment", hatred of Democrats, hatred of the Chinese and North Koreans, hatred of anybody he can find to hate that can stir up a crowd into blindly following him into oblivion. That is what Trump was doing and that is exactly what Hitler did when rose to power in Germany...played off of people's anger and fears and promises to change all of this "stuff".

I say, "was doing" because now he seems to want to play all nice so he can close the deal and be nominated.

I didn't criticize him for the Nazi salutes....I only said he was criticized. There are other things that deserve a LOT more scrutiny then having people raise their and pledge to vote for him. And, BTW, if Obama had done that you and other would have went ape shit saying he was indoctrinating people into following him. Hypocrite.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Dude, HE says he was to legalize torture. HE says he wants to target FAMILIES.

Not exactly. Trump is saying he will do whatever it takes to defeat terrorism and keep people safe - the constitution and Geneva codes be damned. Which is the standard mantra of the GOP (and most Dems, whether they admit it or not). From Dubya referring to the Constitution as "a goddamned piece of paper" to Lincoln saying the Constitution "is not a suicide pact", nothing Trump says is particularly shocking AT ALL. Meanwhile, Obama is blowing up innocent goat herders with drones. Your outrage is selective and bogus.

[Boomchild]

If he could gas and burn all Muslims, leading this nation into performing another religious genocide, he would. But, that's not even the scariest thing.

Riiiiight. You sound exactly like the nuts on the opposite side who said Obama was in favor of "death panels." Get a grip.

Well if that is the case, B.O. has helped Trump out by building all those FEMA camps to house them in.