President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Boomchild]

Really, it's more simple then that. Clinton reminded Lynch that it was him that got her the job. If Trump wins, she's unemployed. I don't expect FBI agents to wak off their jobs, but I do expect a "leak" in the near future. Trump was about #5 on my list, but certainly he has my vote for sure.

Which most likely will have about the same effect that the whole Benghazi scandal has. Which is zilch. I think waiting for some bombshell to drop to derail her run is being too optimistic.

[Boomchild]

Thinking Democrats aren't going to vote for what ever Democrat is running is as pointless as believing Monkers bullshit that he isn't all in for Hillary. If Hitler himself were the Democratic nominee, he'd get every liberal vote out there. This is up to remaining Republicans, Conservatives, and Independents. Any person saying they are sick of being sold out by the Government and votes for Hillary is an idiot. My opinion.

Hillary Clinton without doubt, is the most bought and paid for person that ever ran for President. This corruption makes Nixon look like childs play. Even Sanders knows he got screwed. Now he admits the system was rigged for Hillary. I saw that after Iowa.

So if you are going as far to believe that the system was rigid for Hillary in the primary, what makes you think that the general election is not rigid for whomever the elites want as POTUS?

[Monker]

I'm waiting for the FBI Agents that told the Press in march, if Hillary was not indited, 50% of them would walk off the job and they would release all eveidence. What happened to them?

Hold your breath, maybe that will help. Walk off the job, I can't believe people fall for this shit.

It works about as good as "It's all bad. curl up and quit."

First, you are a lemming for believing such political bullshit. It was an unsupported rumor from an anonymous source. My God, the National Enquirer has better sources than that. The crap about 1/2 of the FBI quiting was political bullshit spread by Republicans to affect the primaries.

Second, FF claims to be a fan of George Carlin. He said for years that the same 800 or so people have run this country for decades. It doesn't matter if it's W, Clinton, or Obama, they can work their ways with them and it just doesn't matter. The people with power stay powerful. The people who are rich stay rich. That is the way it is and it will not matter who is elected...either Trump or Clinton it will stay that way....and George Carlin stopped voting because it simply doesn't matter.

[Monker]

Thinking Democrats aren't going to vote for what ever Democrat is running is as pointless as believing Monkers bullshit that he isn't all in for Hillary.

I am not a Democrat. The Libertarian party most closely matches my POV anyway. This election it going to be the ONLY election for decades where a third party can come out have an impact. I don't think the Libertarians, or the Green party, can win...but I would rather vote for them than either the Democrats or Republicans...especially the insane Tyrant Trump.

Hillary Clinton without doubt, is the most bought and paid for person that ever ran for President. This corruption makes Nixon look like childs play. Even Sanders knows he got screwed. Now he admits the system was rigged for Hillary. I saw that after Iowa.

You are an idiot. Bernie had said for most of the primaries that the system was rigged for Hillary. Probably even before Iowa, because of the debate schedule.

[Monker]

Really, it's more simple then that. Clinton reminded Lynch that it was him that got her the job. If Trump wins, she's unemployed. I don't expect FBI agents to wak off their jobs, but I do expect a "leak" in the near future. Trump was about #5 on my list, but certainly he has my vote for sure.

Which most likely will have about the same effect that the whole Benghazi scandal has. Which is zilch. I think waiting for some bombshell to drop to derail her run is being too optimistic.

Think about this: This all came to an end before the convention. Do you think that was an coincidence? Do you think for one moment the Democrats and their PAC's are going to turn the other cheek when Trump mentions "crooked Hillary"? I don't...not while Trump University is IN COURT and accused of fraud. Does she need to turn the other cheek when being accused of trading favors, or buying people off, or whatever? I don't...not when Trump University was being investigated in Texas and Florida and Trump made donation to their AG's and suddenly the case was dropped. Trump has no high ground here...HE is being invstigated and is in court....Hillary is no longer in that position.

[Monker]

I think it's more about being realistic. There was no way they FBI or the AG was going to file charges against Hillary. Why? Because the can of worms that it would have opened up. Meaning, those that were aware of Hillary's use of the private email server would have to be held accountable as well. Guess who is included in being aware of it? B.O., that's who. There was no way that the AG nor the FBI was going down that road. Add to that the level of corruption in the system and you can see they were not going to do a damn thing. It was just a dog and pony show to try and convince people that AG and the FBI were doing their jobs.

Wow, somebody in this forum has a brain and can do deductive reasoning.

In addition to the above, I will add that there is no way an experienced politician would run for President knowing there was any chance they would be indicted.

Trump has no chance of winning. There is just no way he can compete with the political tactics of what is happening.

[Monker]

He said she was guilty and then said not going to press charges. Unbelievable!

Speculation is that Bill promised the AG and Comey that Hillary would keep them in their positions.[/quote]


Or, he simply met with her to say, "Hey, this is how the FBI interview went..."

If any "deal" happened, I think it happened over a year ago. And, Comey is a Republican. The way people talk, I think people forget that fact.

[Monker]

I'm waiting for the FBI Agents that told the Press in march, if Hillary was not indited, 50% of them would walk off the job and they would release all eveidence. What happened to them?

Fed Gov pension too good to pass up.

Bullshit. It was a Republican lie from the start.

[Monker]

Btw Monker, The FBI Director completely destroyed Hills and yours denials of her actions. She did in fact send and receive classified info from multiple servers and devices. Hills a liar Monker, a fat stinking ass liar. She should be jailed and what happened is a travesty of justice. Maybe Comey is hoping that a Trump Presidency will prosecute her, he knew damn well Lynch/Lil berry wouldn't do a damned thing so he punted.

Maybe you should stop infecting your brain with Republican propaganda and lies so you can do some critical thinking and see the world through clear lenses, instead of lenses tainted by the crap FOX and other bias media outlets pull out of the toilet and serve you. You eat up their shit and say it is the best steak dinner you have ever had. I know you are simply regurgitating shit. You have simply been eating it for so long that you have forgotten what reality is.

I have very rarely promoted Clinton...TNC has even commented that I SHOULD be standing up for what I believe in, or whatever. Well, what I believe in is NOT Clinton. But, I do believe a Trump presidency is an incredibly dangerous thing and should never happen...and I don't think it will.

When Comey made his speech, I think he already knew that Lynch would not prosecute her. They probably communicated a long time ago about the evidence she would need and he knew he was no where close to it. And, THAT is why he said what he said.

[Monker]

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I don't believe that for a minute. I just watched Trumps rally in NC and he's blasting on 8 cylinders, if more would watch him they might be convinced. He killed it tonight.

Like I told TNC about Bernie, the people at the rallies mean nothing if they do not vote for him. Trumps rallies have become specticals. People go to them to be entertained, to maybe see a few people kicked out. If they are lucky, they will see the stage get rushed or a fight break out in the crowd They don't care so much what his message or if they will vote for him, they just want to see the raging lunatic on stage.

[Monker]

She's losing em in droves...

Not really...Most polls have her up 5-10pct, which means she has lost NOTHING:

Thursday, July 7
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Rasmussen Reports Clinton 40, Trump 42 Trump +2
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Reuters/Ipsos Clinton 44, Trump 33 Clinton +11
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Reuters/Ipsos Clinton 42, Trump 33, Johnson 6, Stein 4 Clinton +9

Wednesday, July 6
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Economist/YouGov Clinton 47, Trump 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Economist/YouGov Clinton 42, Trump 37, Johnson 4, Stein 3 Clinton +5
California: Trump vs. Clinton Field Clinton 58, Trump 28 Clinton +30
Monday, July 4
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 46, Trump 40 Clinton +6
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein USA Today/Suffol Clinton 39, Trump 35, Johnson 8, Stein 3 Clinton +4

[tj]

She's losing em in droves...

Not really...Most polls have her up 5-10pct, which means she has lost NOTHING:

Thursday, July 7
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Rasmussen Reports Clinton 40, Trump 42 Trump +2
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Reuters/Ipsos Clinton 44, Trump 33 Clinton +11
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Reuters/Ipsos Clinton 42, Trump 33, Johnson 6, Stein 4 Clinton +9

Wednesday, July 6
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Economist/YouGov Clinton 47, Trump 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Economist/YouGov Clinton 42, Trump 37, Johnson 4, Stein 3 Clinton +5
California: Trump vs. Clinton Field Clinton 58, Trump 28 Clinton +30
Monday, July 4
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 46, Trump 40 Clinton +6
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein USA Today/Suffol Clinton 39, Trump 35, Johnson 8, Stein 3 Clinton +4

Polls at this point are highly suspect. History shows that. Particularly nationwide polls. What count are the "battleground states" which California is not. On the other hand, this election is unlike any in modern history, so who knows? Interesting to watch, though.

[Boomchild]

Death by a 1000 cuts....so be it.

Chaffetz: We Will Refer Hillary Clinton to the FBI for Perjury

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), chair of the House Committee on Government Oversight and Reform, told FBI director James Comey during his testimony on Thursday morning that the committee would refer former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for investigation for perjury, given that she lied under oath before the House Select Committee on Benghazi in October.

“You’ll have one,” Chaffetz said, within “a few hours,” after Comey testified that the FBI would need a referral for Congress before investigating.

As Breitbart News detailed earlier this week, Clinton lied under oath to Congress in at least three ways: first, by stating that she had turned over “all my work related emails” from her private email server to the government; second, by insisting there was “nothing marked classified on my e-mails”; and third, by telling the committee that her attorneys “went through every single e-mail.” FBI director James Comey’s statement Tuesday suggested that none of those sworn statements were true.

If this is not grasping at straws, I don't know what is. For god's sake they just let her get away with a slew of violations regarding handling written communications as SOS with the excuse that she didn't mean to do it or that it wasn't intentional. Any rational individual would know that if the fix wasn't in they would have charged her. Whether it was or was not intentional doesn't mean you still aren't guilty and therefore should be charged.

[JBlake]

The FBI says she's guilty and that's enough to sway most people. Hill got the ultimate White Privlidge privlidge.

Negative on the "sway" part. Those who vote for her would do so regardless. Reminds me of when Saddam Hussein was in power. 99% of the adult male population in Iraq sported look alike Saddam mustaches. They loved him over there. But the part about the ultimate white privilege privilege, you are correct. But it's also about the ultimate political privilege as well. The Clintons are a dynasty. You see the daughter and husband are multi millionaires. The only difference between the Clinton Dynasty and the N. Korean Dynasty is the hair color. Used to be a Hussein Dynasty in Iraq too. It took military might to remove that Dynasty.

And then look at Bill's meeting in the jet last week. How would that go if a guy was being investigated for raping a chick and his father who happens to be one of the richest in the country because of a family slush fund had a special meeting with a person involved in the process, at which point less then a week after the meeting all charges were dropped. How's that even acceptable?

[JBlake]

Thinking Democrats aren't going to vote for what ever Democrat is running is as pointless as believing Monkers bullshit that he isn't all in for Hillary. If Hitler himself were the Democratic nominee, he'd get every liberal vote out there. This is up to remaining Republicans, Conservatives, and Independents. Any person saying they are sick of being sold out by the Government and votes for Hillary is an idiot. My opinion.

Hillary Clinton without doubt, is the most bought and paid for person that ever ran for President. This corruption makes Nixon look like childs play. Even Sanders knows he got screwed. Now he admits the system was rigged for Hillary. I saw that after Iowa.

Exactly!

[JBlake]

Really, it's more simple then that. Clinton reminded Lynch that it was him that got her the job. If Trump wins, she's unemployed. I don't expect FBI agents to wak off their jobs, but I do expect a "leak" in the near future. Trump was about #5 on my list, but certainly he has my vote for sure.

Which most likely will have about the same effect that the whole Benghazi scandal has. Which is zilch. I think waiting for some bombshell to drop to derail her run is being too optimistic.

Actually I'm hoping she has a serious stroke right before November. And I don't wish bad stuff on hardly anybody. That's how much I hate the fucking bitch!

[Monker]

Polls at this point are highly suspect. History shows that. Particularly nationwide polls. What count are the "battleground states" which California is not. On the other hand, this election is unlike any in modern history, so who knows? Interesting to watch, though.

That is true...they are for the moment, a snapshot of where things are right now. They do not really indicate how things will be in November. After the conventions, they will become increasingly more meaningful.

However, FF is saying people are leaving Clinton "in droves", that is obviously NOT TRUE. If anything, she has GAINED a couple points the last few days. He is just spewing more bullshit.

[Monker]

She's losing em in droves...

Not really...Most polls have her up 5-10pct, which means she has lost NOTHING:

Thursday, July 7
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Rasmussen Reports Clinton 40, Trump 42 Trump +2
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Reuters/Ipsos Clinton 44, Trump 33 Clinton +11
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Reuters/Ipsos Clinton 42, Trump 33, Johnson 6, Stein 4 Clinton +9

Wednesday, July 6
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton Economist/YouGov Clinton 47, Trump 42 Clinton +5
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein Economist/YouGov Clinton 42, Trump 37, Johnson 4, Stein 3 Clinton +5
California: Trump vs. Clinton Field Clinton 58, Trump 28 Clinton +30
Monday, July 4
Race/Topic (Click to Sort) Poll Results Spread
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton USA Today/Suffolk Clinton 46, Trump 40 Clinton +6
General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein USA Today/Suffol Clinton 39, Trump 35, Johnson 8, Stein 3 Clinton +4

The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey of Likely U.S. Voters finds Donald Trump with 42% of the vote, while Hillary Clinton earns 40%.

Are you REALLY this stupid? That was the very first poll on the list above. Unlike you, I am not cherry picking numbers to make a biased point. Every other poll has her ahead, up to 11pts ahead. She has not lost ANYTHING. You are simply making shit up.

[Monker]

Romney, the Bush family, and others have said they will vote for Clinton. Who ever said it wasn't?

That is because Trump is more liberal than Clinton, and he's a nut. Even the Koch brothers said they would rather support Hillary than Trump because she is more in line with their views. The Republicans basically nominated a liberal Democrat, the very definition of a RINO.

[Monker]

Death by a 1000 cuts....so be it.

Chaffetz: We Will Refer Hillary Clinton to the FBI for Perjury

Rep. Jason Chaffetz (R-UT), chair of the House Committee on Government Oversight and Reform, told FBI director James Comey during his testimony on Thursday morning that the committee would refer former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton for investigation for perjury, given that she lied under oath before the House Select Committee on Benghazi in October.

“You’ll have one,” Chaffetz said, within “a few hours,” after Comey testified that the FBI would need a referral for Congress before investigating.

As Breitbart News detailed earlier this week, Clinton lied under oath to Congress in at least three ways: first, by stating that she had turned over “all my work related emails” from her private email server to the government; second, by insisting there was “nothing marked classified on my e-mails”; and third, by telling the committee that her attorneys “went through every single e-mail.” FBI director James Comey’s statement Tuesday suggested that none of those sworn statements were true.

If this is not grasping at straws, I don't know what is. For god's sake they just let her get away with a slew of violations regarding handling written communications as SOS with the excuse that she didn't mean to do it or that it wasn't intentional. Any rational individual would know that if the fix wasn't in they would have charged her. Whether it was or was not intentional doesn't mean you still aren't guilty and therefore should be charged.

Yep...it's desperation. It will backfire if it is pressed too hard because it "proves" that all of this shit is nothing but politics.

[Monker]

And then look at Bill's meeting in the jet last week. How would that go if a guy was being investigated for raping a chick and his father who happens to be one of the richest in the country because of a family slush fund had a special meeting with a person involved in the process, at which point less then a week after the meeting all charges were dropped. How's that even acceptable?

You tell me. That is EXACTLY what Trump did with the Trump University investigations in Texas and Florida. He gives a campaign contribution and >POOF!< no need to take him to court.

If you can excuse that and then critique Clinton over a conversation that your head is inventing out of assumptions and political biases, you are much worse than a hypocrite.

[Monker]

Thinking Democrats aren't going to vote for what ever Democrat is running is as pointless as believing Monkers bullshit that he isn't all in for Hillary. If Hitler himself were the Democratic nominee, he'd get every liberal vote out there. This is up to remaining Republicans, Conservatives, and Independents. Any person saying they are sick of being sold out by the Government and votes for Hillary is an idiot. My opinion.

Hillary Clinton without doubt, is the most bought and paid for person that ever ran for President. This corruption makes Nixon look like childs play. Even Sanders knows he got screwed. Now he admits the system was rigged for Hillary. I saw that after Iowa.

So if you are going as far to believe that the system was rigid for Hillary in the primary, what makes you think that the general election is not rigid for whomever the elites want as POTUS?

BINGO! We have a winner. Now, it's time for Double Jeopardy where the political manipulation is even greater.

If you are to believe what you wrote above....why is it so hard to believe that the powers that be did not decide on Clinton as the next President over a year ago?

If any of this was "real", IMO, she would have been in court a very long time ago....probably not in jail, but she would have already been prosecuted and Biden would have been the nominee.

[Monker]

Is there anyone on here that believes Monker is a Libertarian ?

Does anybody on here care?

[Monker]

Really, it's more simple then that. Clinton reminded Lynch that it was him that got her the job. If Trump wins, she's unemployed. I don't expect FBI agents to wak off their jobs, but I do expect a "leak" in the near future. Trump was about #5 on my list, but certainly he has my vote for sure.

Which most likely will have about the same effect that the whole Benghazi scandal has. Which is zilch. I think waiting for some bombshell to drop to derail her run is being too optimistic.

Actually I'm hoping she has a serious stroke right before November. And I don't wish bad stuff on hardly anybody. That's how much I hate the fucking bitch!

It doesn't matter. The Democrats could nominate Dukakis and they would still win.

[Boomchild]

If you are to believe what you wrote above....why is it so hard to believe that the powers that be did not decide on Clinton as the next President over a year ago?

For me it's not hard to believe. But the elites are very, very crafty on how they deploy their plans. Which for me leaves some element of doubt that Hillary is a "shoe in". Let's say that the elites either know that the U.S. economy is going to collapse or they are going to make it happen. You wouldn't want that to happen under the watch of the establishment puppets. So you let it or cause it to happen under the watch of an outsider. Someone who seems to have a lot of opposition from multiple sides. Then after the dust settles, the elites and their establishment puppets swoop in and appear to save the day. Essentially, gaining the desired result they wanted all the long and being able to point the blame on the outsider.

[Monker]

Democrats could have Hitler run and all would follow in goose step.

Well, the Republicans DO have a Hitler wannabe running and you fell right in step with that.

[Monker]

If you are to believe what you wrote above....why is it so hard to believe that the powers that be did not decide on Clinton as the next President over a year ago?

For me it's not hard to believe. But the elites are very, very crafty on how they deploy their plans. Which for me leaves some element of doubt that Hillary is a "shoe in". Let's say that the elites either know that the U.S. economy is going to collapse or they are going to make it happen. You wouldn't want that to happen under the watch of the establishment puppets. So you let it or cause it to happen under the watch of an outsider. Someone who seems to have a lot of opposition from multiple sides. Then after the dust settles, the elites and their establishment puppets swoop in and appear to save the day. Essentially, gaining the desired result they wanted all the long and being able to point the blame on the outsider.

That's too complicated for me. What I see is a very experienced politician who has several "investigations" going on. This politician has a lot of experience involving scandals, investigations, and how it mixes with politics. I absolutely do not believe that the Clintons would ever run for the Presidency if there was any chance she would end up in court. And, after losing to Obama, I don't think she would have run if she did not have the DNC biased behind her. There is no need to go deeper than that.

[tj]

Democrats could have Hitler run and all would follow in goose step.

Well, the Republicans DO have a Hitler wannabe running and you fell right in step with that.

When people are either losing the argument or can't sway others, they make the Hitler comparison. Can you make a comparison of Hitler and Trump? Sure. Both had penises. Both had mistresses. Both had... whatever. You can take examples of any leader and match them up with another leader in specific items.

Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Saddam Hussein are closer to Hitler than anyone. Hitler was a monster. Trump is a buffoon, but isn't saying and has never done anything to suggest that he would murder millions of people to further his ideology. Trump isn't a Hitler wannabe and to make that accusation is a disgrace to the millions of people who died under Hitler's oppressive regime.

From my time on here, I can see that you are a smart guy who is passionate about what you believe. State your case and let it stand for itself. Stop with the Hitler comparisons. You are better than that.

[tj]

Anyone here have any faith in Kerry? I don't. Another dog and pony show to give clinton a pass.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/apnewsbreak-s ... itics.html

Not sure what Kerry is trying to do with this. The whole thing is a sham. Even if something is found in this, it will result in a "censure" or something in the person's record. Big whoop. The IRS scandal is the roadmap.

[JBlake]

Yeah well actually it's not all done. But don't worry, whatever Dooky Chute doesn't finish fucking up, the Clinton Hag will surely complete, if she in fact becomes POTUS.