2011-2012 NFL Season Thread

[Maui Tom]

Rumor: Arizona an option for Peyton Manning

The only option for Peyton is either QB coach, or standing on the sidelines with a clipboard, grooming Luck. I wouldn't risk an injury that would either paralyze me, or worse....something Varitek and the Red Sox should have been doing with a young catcher 5 years ago.

I agree. Archie Manning just did a radio interview and he is the closet to Peyton than anybody, and also the most outspoken on the subject. He went as far to say that Peyton may not even suit up again next year, even though he's working hard in rehab. His neck is a damaged good. Not worth the injury risk.

think Hines Ward is done? They seem to have a lot of young fast dudes ready to go.....

[Ehwmatt]

Rumor: Arizona an option for Peyton Manning

The only option for Peyton is either QB coach, or standing on the sidelines with a clipboard, grooming Luck. I wouldn't risk an injury that would either paralyze me, or worse....something Varitek and the Red Sox should have been doing with a young catcher 5 years ago.

I agree. Archie Manning just did a radio interview and he is the closet to Peyton than anybody, and also the most outspoken on the subject. He went as far to say that Peyton may not even suit up again next year, even though he's working hard in rehab. His neck is a damaged good. Not worth the injury risk.

think Hines Ward is done? They seem to have a lot of young fast dudes ready to go.....

He better be if he knows what's good for him. Adios dipshit.

[YoungJRNY]

Rumor: Arizona an option for Peyton Manning

The only option for Peyton is either QB coach, or standing on the sidelines with a clipboard, grooming Luck. I wouldn't risk an injury that would either paralyze me, or worse....something Varitek and the Red Sox should have been doing with a young catcher 5 years ago.

I agree. Archie Manning just did a radio interview and he is the closet to Peyton than anybody, and also the most outspoken on the subject. He went as far to say that Peyton may not even suit up again next year, even though he's working hard in rehab. His neck is a damaged good. Not worth the injury risk.

think Hines Ward is done? They seem to have a lot of young fast dudes ready to go.....

He made a public statement saying he has no plans to retire and that he wants to remain a Steeler and have another shot to make a run at winning the Super Bowl. For that to happen, the ball is in his court. He has dropped to the lowest WR on the depth chart and is our 6th receiver. He's completely phased out of this offense and is due $4 million dollars against the cap. I love Hines. A true Steeler. One of my all-time favorites. If he doesn't restructure, I see us cutting ties and that's painful to say. Hopefully he takes advice from Bettis and what he did in '04 to make another run. Bettis took a drastic paycut to stay and rode his emotion. Hopefully, Hines will do the same or he won't be in the Black and Gold next season.

[Ehwmatt]

Rumor: Arizona an option for Peyton Manning

The only option for Peyton is either QB coach, or standing on the sidelines with a clipboard, grooming Luck. I wouldn't risk an injury that would either paralyze me, or worse....something Varitek and the Red Sox should have been doing with a young catcher 5 years ago.

I agree. Archie Manning just did a radio interview and he is the closet to Peyton than anybody, and also the most outspoken on the subject. He went as far to say that Peyton may not even suit up again next year, even though he's working hard in rehab. His neck is a damaged good. Not worth the injury risk.

think Hines Ward is done? They seem to have a lot of young fast dudes ready to go.....

He made a public statement saying he has no plans to retire and that he wants to remain a Steeler and have another shot to make a run at winning the Super Bowl. For that to happen, the ball is in his court. He has dropped to the lowest WR on the depth chart and is our 6th receiver. He's completely phased out of this offense and is due $4 million dollars against the cap. I love Hines. A true Steeler. One of my all-time favorites. If he doesn't restructure, I see us cutting ties and that's painful to say. Hopefully he takes advice from Bettis and what he did in '04 to make another run. Bettis took a drastic paycut to stay and rode his emotion. Hopefully, Hines will do the same or he won't be in the Black and Gold next season.

Except Bettis was still contributing. Hines is just dead weight and a shitty smile.

[Ehwmatt]

The more I digest last night's game, the more I can't believe how much John Fox (and Denver's other coaches, whoever the hell they are) completely outcoached Dick Lebeau and Mike Tomlin. In theory, the Steelers aggressive man-to-man/no help over the top strategy wasn't a bad one, but refusing to budge from it sure was.

But I also think it shows how hard it is to coach against Tebow and this offense. It's like trying to guard someone with a really unorthodox shot in basketball--it's simply offputting and tough to plan for, as ugly and frustrating as it might be to get beat by it.

[YoungJRNY]

Rumor: Arizona an option for Peyton Manning

The only option for Peyton is either QB coach, or standing on the sidelines with a clipboard, grooming Luck. I wouldn't risk an injury that would either paralyze me, or worse....something Varitek and the Red Sox should have been doing with a young catcher 5 years ago.

I agree. Archie Manning just did a radio interview and he is the closet to Peyton than anybody, and also the most outspoken on the subject. He went as far to say that Peyton may not even suit up again next year, even though he's working hard in rehab. His neck is a damaged good. Not worth the injury risk.

think Hines Ward is done? They seem to have a lot of young fast dudes ready to go.....

He made a public statement saying he has no plans to retire and that he wants to remain a Steeler and have another shot to make a run at winning the Super Bowl. For that to happen, the ball is in his court. He has dropped to the lowest WR on the depth chart and is our 6th receiver. He's completely phased out of this offense and is due $4 million dollars against the cap. I love Hines. A true Steeler. One of my all-time favorites. If he doesn't restructure, I see us cutting ties and that's painful to say. Hopefully he takes advice from Bettis and what he did in '04 to make another run. Bettis took a drastic paycut to stay and rode his emotion. Hopefully, Hines will do the same or he won't be in the Black and Gold next season.

Except Bettis was still contributing. Hines is just dead weight and a shitty smile.

Not really. Willie Parker took over the reigns and Bettis only came in on short yardage, goalline situations. Hines plays a different role and has to compete with 5 other STUDS with speed. The Steelers only carried 2 starting halfbacks and 2 3rd down backs. But it is what it is, Hines is pretty much done. Youth has found this Steelers team.

[YoungJRNY]

The more I digest last night's game, the more I can't believe how much John Fox (and Denver's other coaches, whoever the hell they are) completely outcoached Dick Lebeau and Mike Tomlin. In theory, the Steelers aggressive man-to-man/no help over the top strategy wasn't a bad one, but refusing to budge from it sure was.

But I also think it shows how hard it is to coach against Tebow and this offense. It's like trying to guard someone with a really unorthodox shot in basketball--it's simply offputting and tough to plan for, as ugly and frustrating as it might be to get beat by it.

I love Tomlin and his staff, but their GLARING weakness is clock management and the ability to adjust. They are the most frustrating when it's time to adjust to things when it comes to on the field-play. It bit us in the Super Bowl against Green Bay (Sam Shields and Charles Woodson went down, but yet, we had no adjustment to attack that. Asked after the game as to why we didn't take advantage, OC Bruce Arians simply said "We don't attack players. We attack schemes." TOTAL MORON!) The Steelers had the chance to put help over the top yesterday but time and time again, refused to do so, right down to the very last play. The Steelers deserve to go home, no doubt about it.

[AR]

I heard they are still cleaning up John Harbaugh's living room from the Gatorade bath he received when Tebow knocked the Steelers out No matter how you look at it, I feel the Packers or Saints are destined for the Lombardi this season. Any AFC team is just a a plant to keep the field warm for an offensive explosion from Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers.

Kind of wanted the Steelers to win so they could go to New England and have both teams get banged up to be honest. A healthy Steelers team would have beaten Jesus and the Broncos.

I swear if Tebow advances any further the fix is in.

[Don]

The more I digest last night's game, the more I can't believe how much John Fox (and Denver's other coaches, whoever the hell they are) completely outcoached Dick Lebeau and Mike Tomlin. In theory, the Steelers aggressive man-to-man/no help over the top strategy wasn't a bad one, but refusing to budge from it sure was.

But I also think it shows how hard it is to coach against Tebow and this offense. It's like trying to guard someone with a really unorthodox shot in basketball--it's simply offputting and tough to plan for, as ugly and frustrating as it might be to get beat by it.

And Tebow still scored from 8 yards out on a draw despite the Steelers loading the box.

Notice how the short passing game for Tebow was shit in the redzone? I expect new England to drop eight back and let the guy have his little five yard runs if all they turn into are field goals.

[RedWingFan]

I've never shed a tear for any sexual predator!

Well shit..I hate hearing stuff like this.

The body of Packers OC Joe Philbin's son, Michael, was discovered and identified in Oshkosh, Wisconsin's Fox River after a police search Monday.

It's believed Michael Philbin, 21, fell through the ice early Sunday. His body was found in roughly 15 feet of water, 30 yards from shore, at around 4PM ET Monday. Michael's friends in Oshkosh filed a missing person's report Sunday night after he was nowhere to be found throughout the day. Joe Philbin, Green Bay's fifth-year offensive coordinator, is currently away from the team. Source: Oshkosh Northwestern Jan 9 - 5:51 PM

[Enigma869]

I'm kinda partial to SF getting to the Super Bowl...

San Francisco had a great season and a FAR better season than I thought they would have. That said, if you're a Niners fan, this is not exactly a dream matchup for you, given the Niners are a team that can't score. The only thing to hang your hat on is that the Saints score 12 fewer points a game on the road than they score at home. I still wouldn't be stunned if the Saints won this game by three TD's.

[Enigma869]

think Hines Ward is done?

The guy hasn't been relevant in two years. He apparently thinks the stadium is named after him, so feels compelled to hold onto his job like the fucking pope

[Enigma869]

The more I digest last night's game, the more I can't believe how much John Fox (and Denver's other coaches, whoever the hell they are) completely outcoached Dick Lebeau and Mike Tomlin. In theory, the Steelers aggressive man-to-man/no help over the top strategy wasn't a bad one, but refusing to budge from it sure was.

But I also think it shows how hard it is to coach against Tebow and this offense. It's like trying to guard someone with a really unorthodox shot in basketball--it's simply offputting and tough to plan for, as ugly and frustrating as it might be to get beat by it.

Coaching against Tebow isn't as tough as you think it is. If Tomlin and Lebeau had safety help over the top on ANY of those long plays, most of them wouldn't have been completed! The biggest problem with the Steelers coaching staff is that they continue to allow a guy like Polamalu to freelance. Let me say this...Polamalu has been a great player, and I'd put the guy in the Hall of Fame. That said, he has been steadily declining. The fact that he won the defensive player of the year last year was a joke. He is out of position more than any defensive back I've ever seen. He's an aggressive player (which is a big part of why he was so good), but he just takes too many chances and leaves the defensive backfield with ZERO support down the field. Watch the coach's film on a Steelers game. I think people who think Troy is still a great player (he's not close to what he was) would be stunned by how many yards and points that he cost the Steelers on a weekly basis. The guy simply isn't good enough at this stage in his career to keep taking the chances he took 5 years ago.

[RedWingFan]

If I weren't a Christian, this would be spooky!

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/01 ... on-rating/

“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.”
John 3:16

Yesterday Tim Tebow Tebow passed for 316 yards against the Steelers, completing 10 of 21 pass attempts — meaning he passed for 31.6 yards per completion.

There’s more…
Bloomberg reported that the Broncos’ win, which snapped a three-game losing streak, came as Tebow ran for one touchdown and passed for two others, including an 80-yarder to Demaryius Thomas that ended the game on the first play from scrimmage of the extra period, eliminating the six-time Super Bowl champion Steelers. The overtime drew a 31.6 television rating.

[Ehwmatt]

Too lazy to start a new thread, but WOW did Nick Saban just put on a coaching clinic against Les Miles and LSU. Dan texted me that he had some bills riding on LSU tonight. I told him I had a feeling Saban would have a few tricks up his sleeve. Saban must have done nothing but dissect film for the last 2 months waiting for this game. I'm not even sure he took the time to eat or shit.

He knew exactly how to pick apart LSU on both offense and defense. Really fucking impressive.

[Don]

Too lazy to start a new thread, but WOW did Nick Saban just put on a coaching clinic against Les Miles and LSU. Dan texted me that he had some bills riding on LSU tonight. I told him I had a feeling Saban would have a few tricks up his sleeve. Saban must have done nothing but study film. He knew exactly how to pick apart LSU on both offense and defense. Really fucking impressive.

LSU's offense was ranked 75th in the nation before tonight's game. Eventually, there's going to come a time when your defense and special teams aren't going to be able to bail you out. That time was tonight.

[YoungJRNY]

The more I digest last night's game, the more I can't believe how much John Fox (and Denver's other coaches, whoever the hell they are) completely outcoached Dick Lebeau and Mike Tomlin. In theory, the Steelers aggressive man-to-man/no help over the top strategy wasn't a bad one, but refusing to budge from it sure was.

But I also think it shows how hard it is to coach against Tebow and this offense. It's like trying to guard someone with a really unorthodox shot in basketball--it's simply offputting and tough to plan for, as ugly and frustrating as it might be to get beat by it.

Coaching against Tebow isn't as tough as you think it is. If Tomlin and Lebeau had safety help over the top on ANY of those long plays, most of them wouldn't have been completed! The biggest problem with the Steelers coaching staff is that they continue to allow a guy like Polamalu to freelance. Let me say this...Polamalu has been a great player, and I'd put the guy in the Hall of Fame. That said, he has been steadily declining. The fact that he won the defensive player of the year last year was a joke. He is out of position more than any defensive back I've ever seen. He's an aggressive player (which is a big part of why he was so good), but he just takes too many chances and leaves the defensive backfield with ZERO support down the field. Watch the coach's film on a Steelers game. I think people who think Troy is still a great player (he's not close to what he was) would be stunned by how many yards and points that he cost the Steelers on a weekly basis. The guy simply isn't good enough at this stage in his career to keep taking the chances he took 5 years ago.

That's no surprise. Everybody knows Troy doesn't have the greatest of skill when it comes to his coverage down the field. Even early in his career, he gave up many points on taking bad angles and letting people get behind him. Hell, not sure if you remember, but even early in the Broncos game he let a Broncos wideout get behind him, which would of went for another long touchdown if Tebow wasn't so frantic and inaccurate in his throws early on. Troy isn't even the best of tacklers and has a TERRIBLE tackling technique. What separates Troy from anybody else is his instinct to freelance around the field & asked to not only play safety, but a roving linebacker at the line of scrimmage. His ability and feel for the game is incredible and knows how to manipulate his body in cat-like maneuvers and can cover sideline to sideline. He can be used like no other safety givin' his skill-set and that's why I think he's considered one of the best. Great coverage skills? No. Great Tackler? No, but he'll make you pay from the ability to understand the game and get from point A to point C in the matter of a milisecond, which is unpredictable. He is literally the greatest stalker in some time at the Strong Safety position.

[Don]

Troy is a lot like Junior Seau was at this stage in their careers. They have been so used to freelancing that it's almost impossible for them to adapt back into a disciplined scheme. Like Junior before him, Troy is creeping into the red as far as good plays vs bad plays overall.

[S2M]

This is where knowing the game, and situation helps an intelligent defensive player immensely. You guys laugh at me all the time when I say play calling matters more than talent/execution. I don't want to hear about team doing X, when the other team is expecting Y...it doesn't work that way, and that is just antiquated thinking.

There was absolutely nothing good in ANY of ATL's 3 one-yard debacles yesterday. I didn't see any misdirection plays, which drastically slows down teams who overpursue. No flea-flickers, hook and ladders....reverses and/or double reverses....you may call these trickeration, but if used EARLY in a game - sets the tone for the ENTIRE game....the best thing NE can do in Saturday's game is come out the box in the hurry up.

In today's game, If I were an offensive coach in the NFL, calling plays....my team would NEVER have a 3 and out. Ever.

[YoungJRNY]

Troy is a lot like Junior Seau was at this stage in their careers. They have been so used to freelancing that it's almost impossible for them to adapt back into a disciplined scheme. Like Junior before him, Troy is creeping into the red as far as good plays vs bad plays overall.

I don't agree with that just yet. Troy played like a madman all season. His play at the line of scrimmage, pulling down quarterbacks before the hand-off ensues, jumping over the line of scrimmage & barreling down on fullbacks, tight ends and wideouts like a missile isn't really "red area's" if you ask me. The only difference was, was that he didn't have many interceptions this season and that would lead you to believe his production has suffered when in reality, Troy was one of the brightest spots on the Steelers defense this season at making plays. The whole 2011 Steelers team had a down year with turnovers. Somebody needs to step up other than Troy Polamalu sometimes. We'll ride Troy out to his last play as a professional. Dude is as valuable as they come & it's just human nature to decline sometimes.

[Enigma869]

Booo!

Demaryius Antwon Thomas (born December 25, 1987)....

I think I have socks older than that!

[YoungJRNY]

Booo!

Demaryius Antwon Thomas (born December 25, 1987)....

I think I have socks older than that!

And to think I was born a year later in '88. Haha. I'm only 23, turn 24 in March and already feel the ultimate pressure of adult responsibilities and changes. Feels like I'm mid 30's! Meanwhile, this dude is catching 80 yard bombs from Tim Tebow and living the glory life. What a game to live and have the gift to play.

[RedWingFan]

Source: Raiders fire coach Jackson

When reached by CSNBayArea.com, an angry Jackson said, "(New Raiders general manager McKenzie) is going to gut this place."

"He wants to bring in his own guys. No job is safe right now," Jackson told the website.

Glad to hear it. I've long been envious of teams that have long tenured coaches. Hopefully we'll be able to bring in a good one.

[YoungJRNY]

No joke. My dad hit on one of those "Scratch-off" tickets for $1,000 dollars Monday afternoon. The number scratched? #15, Tebow's football number. We looked at each other and started HOWLING. I'm glad after thousands of decades of deep myth investigating the emergence of God, that all it took was Tim Tebow to throw a ball in a game to PROVE God literally does exist. It's a forgone conclusion. The debates are over. Forget the scrolls and tireless debate of the readings of the Bible and science that debunks it. It is FOOTBALL that's proof.

[YoungJRNY]

Actual sign at Denver Airport Sunday night as the P'burgh gang prepares to head back to the Iron City defeated...

Good! Let the bigots gloat to a team like the Steelers. They deserve it. Doesn't bother me, the Steelers are going to be TOUGH in 2012 and this loss and how it happened will only strengthen that. No doubt in my mind Pittsburgh comes out strong-like-bull next season, the youth is here.

[RPM]

The more I see the haters against Tebow the more i wish him Success. He's not Obnoxious. He is not
Arrogant. He is not great at his position. He is grateful for the opportunity that he has, he is not fake,
he is young, he has faith, praise for his teammates, talks like a child in a mans body....but he is real.

[YoungJRNY]

The more I see the haters against Tebow the more i wish him Success. He's not Obnoxious. He is not
Arrogant. He is not great at his position. He is grateful for the opportunity that he has, he is not fake,
he is young, he has faith, praise for his teammates, talks like a child in a mans body....but he is real.

That can be said about the other 95% of the athletes in this league, or, any league for that matter. There are scumbags anywhere you turn, thousands upon of college athletes every season who puts in the same amount of work (if not harder) and the amount of 'faith' in themselves and who will be grateful for their opportunities. I disagree that he isn't obnoxious and arrogant. If you look around, and this dates back to his college days, that he knows exactly where the camera is and is the most obnoxious player ever to put their faith on camera. He's in the spotlight only because of his religious antics and winning football game the UNORTHODOX way. Success in the NFL isn't written the way it's working for Tebow and it's obnoxious how he puts faith into all these wins to the casual viewer. His "Tebowing" is the most obnoxious thing since Terrell Owens and Chad Johnson's post-celebration antics. Pray before the game, and "Tebow" before the game, not after every touchdown, first down, yard, or victory. That's as obnoxious as they come, hence, the critical portion of Tim Tebow in all of his success.

[Yoda]

The more I see the haters against Tebow the more i wish him Success. He's not Obnoxious. He is not
Arrogant. He is not great at his position. He is grateful for the opportunity that he has, he is not fake,
he is young, he has faith, praise for his teammates, talks like a child in a mans body....but he is real.

Same here. I think his detractors are the obnoxious ones, because they keep bitchin' and moaning about it every chance they get.

[conversationpc]

The more I see the haters against Tebow the more i wish him Success. He's not Obnoxious. He is not
Arrogant. He is not great at his position. He is grateful for the opportunity that he has, he is not fake,
he is young, he has faith, praise for his teammates, talks like a child in a mans body....but he is real.

Same here. I think his detractors are the obnoxious ones, because they keep bitchin' and moaning about it every chance they get.

Yeah, it's amazing how people who don't think religion should be discussed publicly are all too happy to talk about it and give their opinions on it while criticizing Tebow for doing the same.

[AlteredDNA]

Tebow isn't the first player to either pray or express his faith during the game, nor will he be the last...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 77_pf.html

It's also extremely bigoted to dictate to someone when they should and should not pray. As long as he's not drawing delay of game penalties for genuflecting in the huddle, and especially if his own coaches and teammates aren't concerned with it, why in the world would it bother anyone else.