President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[Monker]

Republican Donald Trump should win the presidency by a slim margin according to a model that has accurately predicted the popular vote since 1988.

Using several standards to make his prediction, Alan Abramowitz’s “Time for Change” model done for the University of Virginia’s Center for Politics “Crystal Ball” shows Trump winning 51.4 percent to 48.6 percent for Hillary Clinton.

He added that the model shows a 66 percent chance of a Trump victory.

“Based on a predicted vote share of 48.6 percent for the incumbent party, these results indicate that Trump should be a clear but not overwhelming favorite to defeat Clinton: There should be about a 66 percent chance of a Republican victory,” Abramowitz added.

Yeah, sure, and four years ago you were promoting Zogby as the only poll that could get things right.

The truth is this is a TWO PARTY model...and there are FOUR parties getting a significant vote. Johnson is up to 15% in some states. IMO, he should be in the debates. But, since this is a two party model, it's not going to be accurate because the inputs to the model can't represent reality. Garbage in, garbage out.

[Monker]

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And again, you bring...........Nothing.

And, Glen Beck brings less than nothing with his causality, conspiracy laden, "guilt by association", cry-baby bullshit that he rants about. The guy is a nut.

[Monker]

KC this appears to be something else, it's breaking news on all the network websites, actually scary and funny at the same time, hope Guccifer or some other entity didn't find the football codes. This shit is unreal. There is great folly or real danger here.

I'm reading about it all now. This is the tail end of a 40 year project by Soros Open World Society. Scarey stuff really. The Media, almost all of Washington and many State Governments involved. It amazed me how they took control of New York and almost bank rupted the city by over loading their welfare systems. Cloward and Piven. Many books about it over the years. Hillary is mostly spear heading it now, and if she wins, by 2020, they meet their target date. A one world global society under control by the worlds largest banks and billionaires. I remember when Beck lost his show on Fox when he was exposing Soros and Soros got his sponsors to pull out. He brought down ACCORN for awhile and got Van Jones exposed and fired before they got him. There are very heavy things on the line right now. By the way, if you read what I posted about the FBI agent outting Hillary, he said she wants a war with Putin. He doesn't want it, so that's why he's putting her 100% hacked email server on Wikileaks. It all sounds like a book. I wish it was, but everything looks like it's lining up to me. Quite frightning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puLL0Eh5HZc

And if you talked about this kind of stuff not so long ago, you would be considered a tin foil hat wearing conspiracy follower.

And, you still should be considered that. Nothing has changed, except maybe you buying into the bullshit that is being said to you.

[Monker]

Tax Fraud possibly? Like the IRS would look into it. 96% donations to the Clinton Foundation.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/08/12 ... anization/

No, it's not "tax fraud" or anything else. You are just too stupid to realize it.

At least both Bill and Hillary release their taxes. Trump will never do it because it will prove that he lied about his net worth, and prove that he pays no taxes at all.

[Monker]

As I have said many times, we shouldn't be over there at all...and no "side" is the right side to support. Take all of that money we are spending in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Lybia, etc, and invest it in alternatives to oil to we can tell them all to deal with their own issues. Tending to our addiction to oil is a national security issue....it always has been.

In order to get anywhere near that you would first have to get rid of all the politicians that are bought and paid for by the oil industry. Which I don't see happening.

Not true.

#1 way: Eventually oil will become more expensive than alternatives. When that happens, it will naturally fade out of use. This is what I believe will happen.
#2 way: National security. If oil becomes a national security issue, it changes the argument and the oil industry against the security of the United States.
#3 way: Something very dramatic happens with climate change. Perhaps several ice sheets break loose and raise the ocean level enough to put Miami below sea level, or whatever.
#4 way: Trump wins the election and destroys the world so nobody is alive to care any longer.

[Monker]

Monker, fuck off...

Quote him properly

"In many respects, you know, they honor President Obama," Trump said during a campaign stop in Fort Lauderdale. "He is the founder of ISIS."

Tired of playing games with you. Speak the truth or get out of here, quit with your play on words. It ain't working dude. Hill is going down.

Oh, grow up. He said both, you big baby. What you fail to notice, I was doing EXACTLY what Trump does to excuse himself...making shit up as he goes. Kinda frustrating isn't it? Your dumb-ass candidate says the dumbest things imaginable and then excuses it by implying he is misunderstood. Bullshit - his brain doesn't just "short-circuit"...it is wired to give random crazy thoughts that only an insane person would let come out of their mouth. In fact, most 'normal' people wouldn't even have the thoughts that he has in the first place.

[Boomchild]

And, you still should be considered that. Nothing has changed, except maybe you buying into the bullshit that is being said to you.

What hasn't changed, is you assuming that someone believes something just because they comment about the subject.

[Boomchild]

Tax Fraud possibly? Like the IRS would look into it. 96% donations to the Clinton Foundation.

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/08/12 ... anization/

No, it's not "tax fraud" or anything else. You are just too stupid to realize it.

At least both Bill and Hillary release their taxes. Trump will never do it because it will prove that he lied about his net worth, and prove that he pays no taxes at all.

Reality is that the Clinton Foundation was never approved to do a huge portion of the activities it has and is currently doing. Especially the international activities. It's not in the stated purpose on their application and approval as a non-profit foundation. Also donation amounts quoted by foreign countries does not match what the foundation has quoted them to be. The other interesting thing is that the foundation has NEVER received an audit. Here is an interesting discussion about the foundation by someone who is involved with reviewing\investigating the foundation's activities.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFcEnRu-hY8

[Boomchild]

Not true.

#1 way: Eventually oil will become more expensive than alternatives. When that happens, it will naturally fade out of use. This is what I believe will happen.
#2 way: National security. If oil becomes a national security issue, it changes the argument and the oil industry against the security of the United States.
#3 way: Something very dramatic happens with climate change. Perhaps several ice sheets break loose and raise the ocean level enough to put Miami below sea level, or whatever.
#4 way: Trump wins the election and destroys the world so nobody is alive to care any longer.

These are are hypothetical theories. I'll stick with what has been proven by current history. Which is that the oil industry has been buying off politicians left and right to keep our and the majority of the world using fossil fuels as a main source of energy.

[Monker]

Not true.

#1 way: Eventually oil will become more expensive than alternatives. When that happens, it will naturally fade out of use. This is what I believe will happen.
#2 way: National security. If oil becomes a national security issue, it changes the argument and the oil industry against the security of the United States.
#3 way: Something very dramatic happens with climate change. Perhaps several ice sheets break loose and raise the ocean level enough to put Miami below sea level, or whatever.
#4 way: Trump wins the election and destroys the world so nobody is alive to care any longer.

These are are hypothetical theories. I'll stick with what has been proven by current history. Which is that the oil industry has been buying off politicians left and right to keep our and the majority of the world using fossil fuels as a main source of energy.

#1 is just as "proven" as anything. When it becomes cheaper to buy a Tesla and plug it into an outlet to "refuel" it, then electric cars will start replacing gas cars in earnest. When it becomes cheaper to power your home with a Tesla Home Battery, then fewer houses will be relying on power generated by state run electric companies and new homes will be built with the technology...and probably businesses, too. This will take pressure off of the power grid and allow them to move off of oil, and coal, and use exclusively wind, solar, and hydro.

These types of energy sources are not too far away. At that point, oil will be a struggling industry....in the same position as coal is today...and the coal industry will completely disappear.

It's simple economics and the power of the consumer bypassing Washington and the big money politics.

[Boomchild]

#1 is just as "proven" as anything. When it becomes cheaper to buy a Tesla and plug it into an outlet to "refuel" it, then electric cars will start replacing gas cars in earnest. When it becomes cheaper to power your home with a Tesla Home Battery, then fewer houses will be relying on power generated by state run electric companies and new homes will be built with the technology...and probably businesses, too. This will take pressure off of the power grid and allow them to move off of oil, and coal, and use exclusively wind, solar, and hydro.

These types of energy sources are not too far away. At that point, oil will be a struggling industry....in the same position as coal is today...and the coal industry will completely disappear.

It's simple economics and the power of the consumer bypassing Washington and the big money politics.

It's still all theory until or if it happens.

[Monker]

Two New York Times reporters just got nailed fabricating stories about Trumps people being unhappy, leaving, he's a foul tempered ego driven jerk, it's falling apart, ect. Of course you won't find this on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, ect. Trump is talking about if he wins, pulling their licenses as reporters.

When the candidate has to have the chairman of his party come out on one of his rallies and say that everything is fine...Well, everything is obviously NOT fine. The Trump campaign has been a train wreck since the conventions....and everybody knows it, or is in completely denial of just how horrible of a candidate you nominated.

Trump dosn't have the Media cutting out, photoshopping people into the shot to make the crowd look better, tossing softball questions, and any other way they can think of, not to do their job, but make a lying loser look better then she is.

Denying reality doesn't make it change.

The reality is that Trump is currently losing nationally and has been since the race began. He had a few days after his convention, but that was it. He's toast...and he keeps burning that toast more and more by his own words.

Clinton doesn't even have to talk to the media. Trump has been such a horrible candidate that he ruins himself, she doesn't have to do it for him.

Nobody cares about these petty things you mention....because TRUMP MADE IT THAT WAY. He WANTED all of the media attention. He ran his nomination that way. The more he was on the news, the better....even if it was for stupid crap that should hurt him. Well, OK, he HAS all of the voters he can get by acting like an ass. But it's not enough....and he's screwed now - he CAN'T win.

[Monker]

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And you can count on liberals to be there bitching about batteries and finding ways to drive up the costs. Of course the Manufacturers wil be paying them off to make sure the costs go up. The Clinton Foundation wil be making bank for sure if Hillary wins. Unless the FBI shuts them down.

And, that is all conspiracy theory bullshit that you have bought into. You may as well believe in alien visitations and bullshit like that.

[Monker]

Not true.

#1 way: Eventually oil will become more expensive than alternatives. When that happens, it will naturally fade out of use. This is what I believe will happen.
#2 way: National security. If oil becomes a national security issue, it changes the argument and the oil industry against the security of the United States.
#3 way: Something very dramatic happens with climate change. Perhaps several ice sheets break loose and raise the ocean level enough to put Miami below sea level, or whatever.
#4 way: Trump wins the election and destroys the world so nobody is alive to care any longer.

These are are hypothetical theories. I'll stick with what has been proven by current history. Which is that the oil industry has been buying off politicians left and right to keep our and the majority of the world using fossil fuels as a main source of energy.

Not just oil companies. If you want to believe the FBI informent, even other Countries have been buying off politicians. Russia and the clintons have been the best examples. I wonder how many other Countries bought Hillary through the clinton foundation whie she was SOS.

I find it HILARIOUS that you guys are all into this.....But, TRUMP *IS* going to court for Trump University facing fraud charges. Yet, you are not even concerned about that. Gee, I wonder why?

[Monker]

Two New York Times reporters just got nailed fabricating stories about Trumps people being unhappy, leaving, he's a foul tempered ego driven jerk, it's falling apart, ect. Of course you won't find this on CNN, MSNBC, ABC, CBS, ect. Trump is talking about if he wins, pulling their licenses as reporters.

When the candidate has to have the chairman of his party come out on one of his rallies and say that everything is fine...Well, everything is obviously NOT fine. The Trump campaign has been a train wreck since the conventions....and everybody knows it, or is in completely denial of just how horrible of a candidate you nominated.

Trump dosn't have the Media cutting out, photoshopping people into the shot to make the crowd look better, tossing softball questions, and any other way they can think of, not to do their job, but make a lying loser look better then she is.

Yeah, if he did, he probably would have cut out the crooked congressman who raised his hand when he asked all the people sitting behind him who knew him.

[Monker]

At least the RNC didn't RIG the election so Trump would win no matter what like the DNC did for Hillary. I wonder how many voting machines were fixed for Hillary? And again, how many Trump Rally photos were photo shopped to make 141 people look like thousands? NONE!

Yeah, the RNC really wanted a Trump to be nominated. I mean, everything the party has done for the past year has shown how much the Republican party loves Trump and is united behind him.

The Republican party is so fucked up they would not have the ability to "rig' an election if they wanted to.

[JBlake]

Lets sum up Monkers last eight posts. Blind DNC loving lemming. Just keep marching little robot. The Clinton Foundation is a ticking time bomb. Sorry you are too stupid to see it. Soros loves little morons like you.

I can sum it up with just one word: Meth.

Just give the individual in the clip below a computer with a password and user name to this forum and she too can post just as much nonsense in just as little time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24nttG5Lnio

[Boomchild]

I find it HILARIOUS that you guys are all into this.....But, TRUMP *IS* going to court for Trump University facing fraud charges. Yet, you are not even concerned about that. Gee, I wonder why?

What is hilarious is trying to detract from what Hillary has done with the email server, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi as well as other things that are now coming to light. The truly sad fact of this whole subject is that the best America can come up with for POTUS are these two people. If this is not a clear sign that America has become a pathetic shadow of it's former self, I don't know what is.

[Boomchild]

At least the RNC didn't RIG the election so Trump would win no matter what like the DNC did for Hillary. I wonder how many voting machines were fixed for Hillary? And again, how many Trump Rally photos were photo shopped to make 141 people look like thousands? NONE!

So do you think that the RNC was doing things that were not "above board" to try and keep him from winning the nomination?

[JBlake]

You might be on to something Mr. Blake. Monker considers a little fraud to be equal to International Fraud and Treason. If I were a Democrat, let alone a Sanders socialist, I'd be really pissed and demanding a new election. Do you like the way monker keeps avoiding that if the DNC had not "Fixed" the election, Hillary might not have won? How many people didn't vote for Sanders because after those bought and paid for Super Deligates kicked in and no one had a chance, they wouldn't waste their vote, or changed their minds to vote for the winner? Monker says he's not voting for Clinton, yet he ignores major scandles and is her biggest cheerleader on here. I gues it just comes natural to liberals to lie and look down their noses at every one and every thing.

Sorry but I can't really answer that since I skip past Monk posts, never read them. I gave up on it long ago. Reading them brings back memories of what kids used to write on the bathroom stalls in Jr. high school, which are the same types who don't want to say the same things to your face when asked to meet up in person.

[Monker]

I find it HILARIOUS that you guys are all into this.....But, TRUMP *IS* going to court for Trump University facing fraud charges. Yet, you are not even concerned about that. Gee, I wonder why?

What is hilarious is trying to detract from what Hillary has done with the email server, the Clinton Foundation, Benghazi as well as other things that are now coming to light. The truly sad fact of this whole subject is that the best America can come up with for POTUS are these two people. If this is not a clear sign that America has become a pathetic shadow of it's former self, I don't know what is.

And, if you don't like these two people, vote for Gary Johnson. You are making excuses. You try to convince your readers how corrupt these two people are and yet you refuse to support the most viable third party candidate we have had since Ross Perot...in fact, he will probably be more electable than Perot if he gets on the debate stage.

The Email server, the Clinton Foundation, and Benghazi have been examined for months and years....and NOTHING concrete has come out of it. The government has spent tens of millions of dollars investigating this crap - and got NOTHING out if. It has been nothing but a huge waste of time and money.

However, Trump University had charges brought against it for months now. Where is the outrage from you hypocrites? Where is "Judicial Watch" demanding to have the video of the depositions? Where are the calls for Russia to hack into the Emails to/from Trump University? Where are the demands to have this in court prior to the election?

Hypocrites, all of you.

[Monker]

Lets sum up Monkers last eight posts. Blind DNC loving lemming. Just keep marching little robot. The Clinton Foundation is a ticking time bomb. Sorry you are too stupid to see it. Soros loves little morons like you.

I can sum it up with just one word: Meth.

Just give the individual in the clip below a computer with a password and user name to this forum and she too can post just as much nonsense in just as little time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24nttG5Lnio

You might be on to something Mr. Blake. Monker considers a little fraud to be equal to International Fraud and Treason. If I were a Democrat, let alone a Sanders socialist, I'd be really pissed and demanding a new election. Do you like the way monker keeps avoiding that if the DNC had not "Fixed" the election, Hillary might not have won? How many people didn't vote for Sanders because after those bought and paid for Super Deligates kicked in and no one had a chance, they wouldn't waste their vote, or changed their minds to vote for the winner? Monker says he's not voting for Clinton, yet he ignores major scandles and is her biggest cheerleader on here. I gues it just comes natural to liberals to lie and look down their noses at every one and every thing.

Why don't you ask somebody to comment on this who cares? I don't. It's not my fucking party.

Remember, I called this election when it had barely began....before Clinton even announced she was running. Clinton will be President. You are the morons who keep swimming upstream...and get all pissed off when you find everything is against you.

Trump doesn't represent "change" at all. He is now having his strings pulled by the RNC. He is just as establishment as Clinton. You just don't want to admit it. The only candidates running who represent "change" are Johnson and Stein.

[Archetype]

All this bickering is why the revolutionary, brilliant, compassionate and globally positive Juche ideology needs to be made mandatory for society. Quality of life will absolutely skyrocket once exploitative imperialist oppression is eradicated.

[Monker]

At least the RNC didn't RIG the election so Trump would win no matter what like the DNC did for Hillary. I wonder how many voting machines were fixed for Hillary? And again, how many Trump Rally photos were photo shopped to make 141 people look like thousands? NONE!

So do you think that the RNC was doing things that were not "above board" to try and keep him from winning the nomination?

LOL...you are EXACTLY right. IMO, the only reason they didn't change the rules at the convention is that the alternative was Ted Cruz....and the "establishment" hates him even more.

[Boomchild]

And, if you don't like these two people, vote for Gary Johnson. You are making excuses. You try to convince your readers how corrupt these two people are and yet you refuse to support the most viable third party candidate we have had since Ross Perot...in fact, he will probably be more electable than Perot if he gets on the debate stage.

First off, don't tell me whom I should be voting for. I have my own thoughts when it comes to this and don't need you to indicate what I should be doing. Besides voting for a third party candidate would have the same effect as not voting at all. There is no way a third party candidate can win this election. The corruption in the system assures that. Just look at how they screwed one of their own who on the surface seemed to be less corrupt then some others. If they're willing to go that far then it's a no brainer for them when it comes to the opposing party(s).

The Email server, the Clinton Foundation, and Benghazi have been examined for months and years....and NOTHING concrete has come out of it. The government has spent tens of millions of dollars investigating this crap - and got NOTHING out if. It has been nothing but a huge waste of time and money.

Nothing comes out of it because a corrupt system is running the investigations. It's akin to having a stacked jury for the defendant at a criminal trail. The elite will never convict one of their own. This is for several reasons which includes that they too could end up being a casualty of the process. All these investigations are is a "dog and pony show" to make you think justice is trying to be upheld.

Speaking of hypocrisy, I find defending or supporting a party and it's candidate that blatantly rigged it's own election process to favor one candidate extremely hypocritical. Which has an impact on a larger number of people and government then a class action lawsuit on a business.

[Boomchild]

Here boomchild, once again for Monker.

"Why Hillary was Not Indicted

>>79480356 (OP)
Will she be indicted?

{NOTE: This thread was from BEFORE the announcement by Comey that there would not be any indictment}

>>79481119
There is intense pressure for us not to do so. I am posting from a position of near anonymity and enough plausible deniability to evade prosecution, as we have all been given gag orders.

There is enough for her and the entire government to be brought down. People do not realize how enormous this whole situation actually is. Whether she will be or not depends on how much info about others involved gets out, and there are a lot of people involved.

The real point of interest is the Clinton Foundation, not the e-mail server. We received the server from Benghazi, then from the server we found data on the CF. Then we realized the situation is much worse than previously thought."

Frankly, I will believe nothing until I see it happen. Otherwise all of this is just talk. Personally, when you have a government corrupt to it's core you can't expect much if anything at all when it comes to this. At this point you would have to overthrow the existing government to make any real change. This is why I am not getting myself worked up over people who have differing opinions on the outcome of this election.

[S2M]

I'd vote for Johnson in a heartbeat. Fuck these establishment delta bravos!!!

[JBlake]

More on October surprise, although it is clear, as long as Democrats have control of the Justice Department, Clinton and others have nothing to fear. Congress is going after Clinton for lying under oath. It's clear beyond reason she did. The Justice Department is already making noise that it isn't going to look at it. If Trump wins, It could be all over for the Clintons. But like during the Primary, Clinton has no worries about a victory, even though most people I know are voting for Trump. Most Yahoo forums, people are siding with Trump. Trump is drawing thousands to Clintons hundreds. Most of the major media isn't even reporting on it. One thing the Clintons will count on, Democrats will put Party before country. Democrats think Hillary is better for national defense even though Russia hacked 100% of her four servers, by the way, under oath, she said she had one. Russia, and who knows who they have sold info too, knows more about our National Security then our own FBI.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/08/15/doe ... -surprise/

Well we all know what happens to people that threaten the wellbeing of the well established Clinton Crime Clan. And that clan is firing on all cylinders right now but if Trump becomes POTUS, the "engine" that's pulling the Clinton Crime Clan along will behave more like a broken toaster oven.

[Monker]

More on October surprise, although it is clear, as long as Democrats have control of the Justice Department, Clinton and others have nothing to fear. Congress is going after Clinton for lying under oath. It's clear beyond reason she did. The Justice Department is already making noise that it isn't going to look at it. If Trump wins, It could be all over for the Clintons. But like during the Primary, Clinton has no worries about a victory, even though most people I know are voting for Trump. Most Yahoo forums, people are siding with Trump. Trump is drawing thousands to Clintons hundreds. Most of the major media isn't even reporting on it. One thing the Clintons will count on, Democrats will put Party before country. Democrats think Hillary is better for national defense even though Russia hacked 100% of her four servers, by the way, under oath, she said she had one. Russia, and who knows who they have sold info too, knows more about our National Security then our own FBI.

http://thefederalist.com/2016/08/15/doe ... -surprise/

It doesn't matter how many people a candidate draws to a rally. It matters how many people a candidate can get to vote. Many people go to Trump rallies for the spectacle, and wanting to see him go goofy.

The majority of people who vote don't read such right wing propaganda "news" sites. So, I wouldn't expect somebody who writes for one to know many people voting for Clinton.

The Republicans put party before country when they became obstructionist assholes in congress.

Blah, blah, blah about Russia...Trump's campaign manager has enough Russian ties to balance any of that bullshit out.

Trump isn't going to win...even he knows it. He is behind nationally. He is behind in ALL of the battleground states. He is behind in the states he wanted to 'flip'. He is not ahead in ANY state that he needs to win. He simply has no true path to victory.

The Republicans are now simply grasping at straws...very, very desperate. Instead of worrying about a lost cause like Trump, you all should be worried about losing the Senate and losing ground in the House. It is going to be a very bad day for Republicans.

[JBlake]

If the election for President were being held today and the Democratic nominee for President is Hillary Clinton and the Republican nominee for President is Donald Trump; the Libertarian nominee is Gary Johnson and the Green party nominee is Jill Stein for whom would you vote?

Hillary Clinton 38%
Donald Trump 36%
Gary Johnson 8%
Jill Stein 5%
Not sure 13%

*Percentages may not equal 100% due to rounding.

The Takeaways:

In a new Zogby Analytics online poll conducted August 12-13, +/-2.8% MOE, we asked 1,277 likely voters who they would vote for if the election for President were being held today. Since our Last poll in early July, Clinton still maintains a small 2% lead over Trump. It seems the convention bumps are behind us and we are back to a close race!

FF, you're very resourceful. Can you find and post what the poll numbers/%'s were four months before the election between Carter and Reagan? Reagan won in a landslide but I've been hearing comments here and there that the poll figures had him trailing badly.