Melissa Etheridge Getting Divorced

[Ehwmatt]

There was just a post from a chickenshit homophobe who deleted it by the time I went to quote it.

I won't mention names, but if you're gonna post something, at least have the balls to stand behind it.

Why don't you display some balls and just call the person out, dipshit?

Cuz Jana already did it for me, dickweed.

What the fuck is a "homophobe" anyway? Better yet, why the fuck do you assume that people that disapprove of the unnatural and disgusting behavior of fags are somehow afraid of them? I had fag friends in college. I neither hated nor feared them, though. "Homophobe" is thrown around like "racist." It's usually just a convenient way to divert attention from explaining why one man would want to put his crank up another man's shit tunnel. Or why a woman would want to lick another woman's pussy. Why even have reproductive organs? And we're supposed to allow these sexually perverse dolts to raise kids? They'd be better off in Haiti under about 54 fucking tons of stone.

lol. Homophobe is a strange oxymoron indeed. I neither fear nor hate gays for being gay. I had an openly gay teammate in college, shared a hotel room with him on road trips, drank with him on many occasions, and all that. My aunt's brother is a fag too, he was an Olympic-caliber gymnast who could still beat my ass, but he's effeminate as fuck but otherwise a pretty normal guy you can talk to about sports, music, and the like.

I disapprove of their behavior, but don't really care if they wanna plow each other's chocolate holes in the privacy of their own homes. I do draw the line at allowing them to raise kids. Fuck that. They shouldn't be anywhere near raising a kid. Cue the fuckin same old tired comparison of how a kid shouldn't be raised in a home where the parents don't get along or in a family broken by divorce either. Welll yeah, no shit sherlocks, don't put words in our mouths. The expression of one thing does not exclude the other.

You don’t get to decide who does or doesn’t raise kids Matt. What exactly do you disagree with? Is it that you’re probably a latent homosexual who needs to disapprove of real homosexuals cause you don’t have the balls to be yourself? You sure throw around words like “fag” a lot, is that because you “feel” something you can’t explain?


All you assholes who claim to “love America” and are “conservatives” are nothing but blind followers of hatred and intolerance.

And by the way, for you mentally impaired homophobes, the majority of fucked up kids come from heterosexual homes. Look in the mirror and you’ll realize that.

Gee Bobby, I considered you a friend. I think I was being plenty fair to gays throughout the thread. I'm a libertarian at heart, not a conservative. I don't care about you being gay or your activities flowing from it. I might make fun of gays and laugh at gay sex imagery, but that neither makes me a bigot nor a closeted gay. I just believe there are a whole host of reasons, many of them (but not all of them) external to being gay itself (eg social pressures from other kids), why gays should not raise children.

Oh, and I'm using gay as a blanket term for male and female homosexuals, so don't think I'm only talking two men or two women here.

Like it or not, I'm entitled to my belief.

[BobbyinTN]

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Gee Bobby, I considered you a friend. I think I was being plenty fair to gays throughout the thread. I'm a libertarian at heart, not a conservative. I don't care about you being gay or your activities flowing from it. I might make fun of gays and laugh at gay sex imagery, but that neither makes me a bigot nor a closeted gay. I just believe there are a whole host of reasons, many of them (but not all of them) external to being gay itself (eg social pressures from other kids), why gays should not raise children.

Oh, and I'm using gay as a blanket term for male and female homosexuals, so don't think I'm only talking two men or two women here.

Like it or not, I'm entitled to my belief.

Yeah Matt, imagine my surprise when I saw a post from someone that I thought was cool saying that gays shouldn't raise children? I can't imagine what gives you the right to decide who should and shouldn't raise children. I guess we were both disappointed. And yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but you should own the fact you're bigoted towards homosexuals and bigotry and discrimination is never a good thing.

[Ehwmatt]

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Gee Bobby, I considered you a friend. I think I was being plenty fair to gays throughout the thread. I'm a libertarian at heart, not a conservative. I don't care about you being gay or your activities flowing from it. I might make fun of gays and laugh at gay sex imagery, but that neither makes me a bigot nor a closeted gay. I just believe there are a whole host of reasons, many of them (but not all of them) external to being gay itself (eg social pressures from other kids), why gays should not raise children.

Oh, and I'm using gay as a blanket term for male and female homosexuals, so don't think I'm only talking two men or two women here.

Like it or not, I'm entitled to my belief.

Yeah Matt, imagine my surprise when I saw a post from someone that I thought was cool saying that gays shouldn't raise children? I can't imagine what gives you the right to decide who should and shouldn't raise children. I guess we were both disappointed. And yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but you should own the fact you're bigoted towards homosexuals and bigotry and discrimination is never a good thing.

No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

[Memorex]

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Gee Bobby, I considered you a friend. I think I was being plenty fair to gays throughout the thread. I'm a libertarian at heart, not a conservative. I don't care about you being gay or your activities flowing from it. I might make fun of gays and laugh at gay sex imagery, but that neither makes me a bigot nor a closeted gay. I just believe there are a whole host of reasons, many of them (but not all of them) external to being gay itself (eg social pressures from other kids), why gays should not raise children.

Oh, and I'm using gay as a blanket term for male and female homosexuals, so don't think I'm only talking two men or two women here.

Like it or not, I'm entitled to my belief.

Yeah Matt, imagine my surprise when I saw a post from someone that I thought was cool saying that gays shouldn't raise children? I can't imagine what gives you the right to decide who should and shouldn't raise children. I guess we were both disappointed. And yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but you should own the fact you're bigoted towards homosexuals and bigotry and discrimination is never a good thing.

No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

Last I checked, a person neither had to have sex nor conceive in order to adopt and raise a child. In fact, most adoptive parents cannot conceive.

[Behshad]

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Gee Bobby, I considered you a friend. I think I was being plenty fair to gays throughout the thread. I'm a libertarian at heart, not a conservative. I don't care about you being gay or your activities flowing from it. I might make fun of gays and laugh at gay sex imagery, but that neither makes me a bigot nor a closeted gay. I just believe there are a whole host of reasons, many of them (but not all of them) external to being gay itself (eg social pressures from other kids), why gays should not raise children.

Oh, and I'm using gay as a blanket term for male and female homosexuals, so don't think I'm only talking two men or two women here.

Like it or not, I'm entitled to my belief.

Yeah Matt, imagine my surprise when I saw a post from someone that I thought was cool saying that gays shouldn't raise children? I can't imagine what gives you the right to decide who should and shouldn't raise children. I guess we were both disappointed. And yes, you are entitled to your opinion, but you should own the fact you're bigoted towards homosexuals and bigotry and discrimination is never a good thing.

No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

Please let Stevew2 answer this first

[cyndy!]

No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

i'm curious - do you feel that infertile heterosexual couples should not adopt?

[Behshad]

No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

i'm curious - do you feel that infertile heterosexual couples should not adopt?

I was expecting that question ..... Matt?

[Ehwmatt]

No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

i'm curious - do you feel that infertile heterosexual couples should not adopt?

That's a good counterargument, at least on the surface. But, the better argument is no, because that failure to conceive is an accident of nature, whereas two men/two women are not intended to procreate given our very nature/biological composition as human beings. No religion/creationism needed, that's just science.

And let me be clear here, I'm not saying anything ridiculous like you should only have sex to procreate. But you can't ignore nature/biology.

[BobbyinTN]

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No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

Having children does not prove anything Matt. I know a few heterosexual couples who can not conceive. I know some who choose not to conceive. Did you know there are over 500,000 children in foster care in America? Did you also know the majority of peopel who disapprove of homosexuals adopting are also against abortion? How does that make sense?

If heterosexuals are the majority, why are there so many fucked up kids?

No one gets to decide what two people who are committed to each do in their lives. If they want to raise children, they should be allowed. You take someone's rights away today, then someone will take your rights away tomorrow.

[BobbyinTN]

No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

i'm curious - do you feel that infertile heterosexual couples should not adopt?

That's a good counterargument, at least on the surface. But, the better argument is no, because that failure to conceive is an accident of nature, whereas two men/two women are not intended to procreate given our very nature/biological composition as human beings. No religion/creationism needed, that's just science.

And let me be clear here, I'm not saying anything ridiculous like you should only have sex to procreate. But you can't ignore nature/biology.

Matt, being homosexual is not a choice. That's your mistake and makes your logic faulty.

[Ehwmatt]

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No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

Having children does not prove anything Matt. I know a few heterosexual couples who can not conceive. I know some who choose not to conceive. Did you know there are over 500,000 children in foster care in America? Did you also know the majority of peopel who disapprove of homosexuals adopting are also against abortion? How does that make sense?

If heterosexuals are the majority, why are there so many fucked up kids?

No one gets to decide what two people who are committed to each do in their lives. If they want to raise children, they should be allowed. You take someone's rights away today, then someone will take your rights away tomorrow.

Procreation is not a right in the constitution. Otherwise disallowing prisoners imprisoned for life to have conjugal visits would have made it to the Supreme Court by now.

As for why there are so many fucked up kids, well, that's because we've got far bigger problems than worrying about who's fucking who in this society.

[Behshad]

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No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

Having children does not prove anything Matt. I know a few heterosexual couples who can not conceive. I know some who choose not to conceive. Did you know there are over 500,000 children in foster care in America? Did you also know the majority of peopel who disapprove of homosexuals adopting are also against abortion? How does that make sense?

If heterosexuals are the majority, why are there so many fucked up kids?

No one gets to decide what two people who are committed to each do in their lives. If they want to raise children, they should be allowed. You take someone's rights away today, then someone will take your rights away tomorrow.

Yes youre making some good points , However,, what about the CHILD's rights???
I think most kids would prefer to have a mom and dad, instead of 2 moms or 2 dads..... The way society looks at it, the kids would get teased in most cases......
So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??

Has nothing to do with 2 homosexuals being great parents or not. But more how that child feels when he gets weird looks from others, or when kids start cracking jokes about his two moms or two dads....

[Ehwmatt]

No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

i'm curious - do you feel that infertile heterosexual couples should not adopt?

That's a good counterargument, at least on the surface. But, the better argument is no, because that failure to conceive is an accident of nature, whereas two men/two women are not intended to procreate given our very nature/biological composition as human beings. No religion/creationism needed, that's just science.

And let me be clear here, I'm not saying anything ridiculous like you should only have sex to procreate. But you can't ignore nature/biology.

Matt, being homosexual is not a choice. That's your mistake and makes your logic faulty.

Neither is being born blind - doesn't mean I want people born that way behind the wheel of the car. Driving, like having kids, is not a right. You can lose kids just as you lose a license to drive.

[cyndy!]

Yes youre making some good points , However,, what about the CHILD's rights???
I think most kids would prefer to have a mom and dad, instead of 2 moms or 2 dads..... The way society looks at it, the kids would get teased in most cases......
So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??

Has nothing to do with 2 homosexuals being great parents or not. But more how that child feels when he gets weird looks from others, or when kids start cracking jokes about his two moms or two dads....

i'm not sure if i understand what you're saying. is it the child's preference or right to have a mom & a dad? what about when the child only has one parent? are you saying they have the right to choose another?

[Jana]

Yes youre making some good points , However,, what about the CHILD's rights???
I think most kids would prefer to have a mom and dad, instead of 2 moms or 2 dads..... The way society looks at it, the kids would get teased in most cases......
So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??

Has nothing to do with 2 homosexuals being great parents or not. But more how that child feels when he gets weird looks from others, or when kids start cracking jokes about his two moms or two dads....

i'm not sure if i understand what you're saying. is it the child's preference or right to have a mom & a dad? what about when the child only has one parent? are you saying they have the right to choose another?

And I believe in years gone past it was tough on the kids and I'm sure in places is hard. I don't discount that. Like a lot of things evolving over time, this is becoming more and more accepted and I see in five years it not being a big deal. Just like now having a divorced parent isn't a big deal. Years ago it was mortifying. You would be the only one in the class. I saw Rosie's Cruise for Gay Families several years ago. So moving. Some of the homes they give Foster children, who nobody wants, and the effort these families put into parenting was moving. Changed my view on it.

[The Sushi Hunter]

So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??...

How can anyone expect BinT to respect and accept a child's rights when the fucking guy can't even respect and accept people voicing their opinion about this topic?

[Michigan Girl]

So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??...

How can anyone expect BinT to respect and accept a child's rights when the fucking guy can't even respect and accept people voicing their opinion about this topic?

He's just voicing his opinion ...he has the right as well!!

[Behshad]

Yes youre making some good points , However,, what about the CHILD's rights???
I think most kids would prefer to have a mom and dad, instead of 2 moms or 2 dads..... The way society looks at it, the kids would get teased in most cases......
So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??

Has nothing to do with 2 homosexuals being great parents or not. But more how that child feels when he gets weird looks from others, or when kids start cracking jokes about his two moms or two dads....

i'm not sure if i understand what you're saying. is it the child's preference or right to have a mom & a dad? what about when the child only has one parent? are you saying they have the right to choose another?

a child ALWAYS have two biological parents A MAN AND A WOMAN , Now if one leaves or one dies , that's a different story.
But if a child would have two choose between having a mom & dad , vs having two dads , they'd choose the first one GUARANTEED.

[Jana]

Yes youre making some good points , However,, what about the CHILD's rights???
I think most kids would prefer to have a mom and dad, instead of 2 moms or 2 dads..... The way society looks at it, the kids would get teased in most cases......
So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??

Has nothing to do with 2 homosexuals being great parents or not. But more how that child feels when he gets weird looks from others, or when kids start cracking jokes about his two moms or two dads....

i'm not sure if i understand what you're saying. is it the child's preference or right to have a mom & a dad? what about when the child only has one parent? are you saying they have the right to choose another?

Following B's line of thought, black and white couples should never have had children b/c of the reaction they got. No doubt it was hard b/c of society's racism and judgment towards these children (by both races). Now I see biracial children a lot and the acceptance of them is much better and inclusive.

[Behshad]

Yes youre making some good points , However,, what about the CHILD's rights???
I think most kids would prefer to have a mom and dad, instead of 2 moms or 2 dads..... The way society looks at it, the kids would get teased in most cases......
So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??

Has nothing to do with 2 homosexuals being great parents or not. But more how that child feels when he gets weird looks from others, or when kids start cracking jokes about his two moms or two dads....

i'm not sure if i understand what you're saying. is it the child's preference or right to have a mom & a dad? what about when the child only has one parent? are you saying they have the right to choose another?

Following B's line of thought, black and white couples should never have had children b/c of the reaction they got. No doubt it was hard b/c of society's racism and judgment towards these children (by both races). Now I see biracial children a lot and the acceptance of them is much better and inclusive.

COMPLETELY different situation. Kids don't tease kids with parents being black & white. But totally tease them when there's two moms and no dads.

And in regards to your divorce theory , that still involves two parents with opposite gender.

Very poor examples to try to justify YOUR thinking. It's easy for you to SAY you can accept this but I bet you , you wouldn't want two have two moms if it was YOU who was the kid. Simple as that.

[The Sushi Hunter]

So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??...

How can anyone expect BinT to respect and accept a child's rights when the fucking guy can't even respect and accept people voicing their opinion about this topic?

He's just voicing his opinion ...he has the right as well!!

Sweetheart he was going far beyond voicing just his opinion. It's one thing to say what he believes and completely different when he starts throwing out the spew about people being haters and all the other bullshit he was calling people.

[Jana]

Yes youre making some good points , However,, what about the CHILD's rights???
I think most kids would prefer to have a mom and dad, instead of 2 moms or 2 dads..... The way society looks at it, the kids would get teased in most cases......
So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??

Has nothing to do with 2 homosexuals being great parents or not. But more how that child feels when he gets weird looks from others, or when kids start cracking jokes about his two moms or two dads....

i'm not sure if i understand what you're saying. is it the child's preference or right to have a mom & a dad? what about when the child only has one parent? are you saying they have the right to choose another?

Following B's line of thought, black and white couples should never have had children b/c of the reaction they got. No doubt it was hard b/c of society's racism and judgment towards these children (by both races). Now I see biracial children a lot and the acceptance of them is much better and inclusive.

COMPLETELY different situation. Kids don't tease kids with parents being black & white. But totally tease them when there's two moms and no dads.

And in regards to your divorce theory , that still involves two parents with opposite gender.

Very poor examples to try to justify YOUR thinking. It's easy for you to SAY you can accept this but I bet you , you wouldn't want two have two moms if it was YOU who was the kid. Simple as that.

No, I was talking years ago it was bad to have the other. No, I wouldn't b/c I was a shy kid who lacked confidence and back then if you were different at all it wasn't accepted so much at my school. Gay kids were deemed strange. It's getting a little easier. But I would have loved my parents. I've said it must be hard, but many great kids come out of these unions with a lot more compassion than from straight couples' children. I have worked over the years with three people, one guy, two women raised in same sex household. All are well-adjusted and great people and love their families. And that years ago when they went to school when such things weren't accepted. I'm saying as time goes on this will probably not be a big deal to their peers as this is more accepted. Thee's no easy answer on this one at all and I wouldn't want to gloss over the difficulty. Even Rosie said having children as a lesbian she was well aware of her kids needing a father figure and kept the lines of communication open with her children. Her oldest son at times missed that, but at 16 he told her if he had a father he wouldn't have her and Kelly as moms and couldn't imagine that. He's just a great kid in their interviews.

[Behshad]

This is very simple.

Two homosexuals can do whatever they want to eachother. They should even be able to marry eachother for that matter.
all they're doing is living their lives the way they wanna live it.
But adopting and raising a child is wrong because it's not just about THEM anymore. It's another life that they're affecting.

[Jana]

This is very simple.

Two homosexuals can do whatever they want to eachother. They should even be able to marry eachother for that matter.
all they're doing is living their lives the way they wanna live it.
But adopting and raising a child is wrong because it's not just about THEM anymore. It's another life that they're affecting.

And maybe they're affecting their lives positively.

[The Sushi Hunter]

Interesting because 25/30 years ago, the last thing on any gay and lesbian's mind was having children, that's afterall one of the things they were running away from by being homosexual, absolutely positively no possibility of a chick getting prego when she's sleeping with another woman or a man getting someone prego by boning a dude up the shithole. For whatever reason, it's changed, I'm thinking they want to go through the motions to make their relationship seem more natural.

[Behshad]

This is very simple.

Two homosexuals can do whatever they want to eachother. They should even be able to marry eachother for that matter.
all they're doing is living their lives the way they wanna live it.
But adopting and raising a child is wrong because it's not just about THEM anymore. It's another life that they're affecting.

And maybe they're affecting their lives positively.

that's not the point. The point is , they should have the choice to live life based on their lifestyle. But not putting a child in a situation of being forced to live within lifestyle !

[Jana]

Look at these guys adopting a brother and sister who were in the foster system.

Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/v/z9CYMqQ6L1A&hl=en

Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/v/EMcL_UmBAxA&hl=en

What great parents these guys are who put a lot of thought into parenting. So many foster children who aren't babies that stay in the system and linger for years and years. God bless these great guys. They take them while the heterosexual couples want the babies.

[Jana]

Interesting because 25/30 years ago, the last thing on any gay and lesbian's mind was having children, that's afterall one of the things they were running away from by being homosexual, absolutely positively no possibility of a chick getting prego when she's sleeping with another woman or a man getting someone prego by boning a dude up the shithole. For whatever reason, it's changed, I'm thinking they want to go through the motions to make their relationship seem more natural.

[steveo777]

This is very simple.

Two homosexuals can do whatever they want to eachother. They should even be able to marry eachother for that matter.
all they're doing is living their lives the way they wanna live it.
But adopting and raising a child is wrong because it's not just about THEM anymore. It's another life that they're affecting.

And maybe they're affecting their lives positively.

Or maybe the poor kid gets called a fag, because his Dads are a couple fags. Maybe it's worse....maybe he get's beat up, or actually becomes gay, because that might be the only identity he knows. Obviously, I can't call this as fact because I don't know, but I looked at both sides of the coin and I can get my brain around there being all kinds of possibilities. The bottom line is this: What choice does the child have, who is not yet old enough to choose what he or she wants. What happens when they are old enough to have an opinion and find themselves with all kinds of internal strife?

[Jana]

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No, I'm really not bigoted at all. Don't you think there's a reason two men or two women can't have sex and conceive?

Having children does not prove anything Matt. I know a few heterosexual couples who can not conceive. I know some who choose not to conceive. Did you know there are over 500,000 children in foster care in America? Did you also know the majority of peopel who disapprove of homosexuals adopting are also against abortion? How does that make sense?

If heterosexuals are the majority, why are there so many fucked up kids?

No one gets to decide what two people who are committed to each do in their lives. If they want to raise children, they should be allowed. You take someone's rights away today, then someone will take your rights away tomorrow.

Yes youre making some good points , However,, what about the CHILD's rights???
I think most kids would prefer to have a mom and dad, instead of 2 moms or 2 dads..... The way society looks at it, the kids would get teased in most cases......
So while youre entitled to your RIGHTS as a homosexual, I think you also have to respect and accept a child's rights as well, dont you agree??

Has nothing to do with 2 homosexuals being great parents or not. But more how that child feels when he gets weird looks from others, or when kids start cracking jokes about his two moms or two dads....

Well, maybe if parents would teach their children to be open-minded and accepting and compassionate there wouldn't be such issues. Just like I said, when I was a child biracial children were ostracized by both races. That's not the way it is nowadays. Why? society accepts white/black unions now more than then. Same sex couples with children are being accepted more than when I was a child. Times they are a changin'. My nephew's best friend (female) has two mothers, and the girl is very popular and confident. Did she probably have problems with teasing at some time earlier? I'm sure it wasn't all rainbows. But high school she's doing great and proud of her parents.