Too stupid to breathe

[StevePerryHair]

You guys, this is an internet message board, not the freakin' Mensa Convention!!!!!

As much as y'all would like to believe you're Mensa material, I've got news for ya-you're not!!!!!

Have a nice day.

Dumb question.....What the hell is Mensa?

Something you will never be part of! People who are part of MENSA don't ask dumb questions

So it must be one of those super intelligent organizations then? If that's the case then no, I'll never be a part of that. One look at my SAT scores and they'll probably send me to some Special Ed program.

Don't worry, I'm not either! Though I have at least one that could do it, maybe 3 that could...don't know how that happened!!

[parfait]

Im ignoring your "proof" cause youre ignoring my arguments that I posted

How can you actually PROVE Big Bang, moron !? There are NO facts, ONLY theories. You just accept them as facts in YOUR mind, which is YOUR right to do so, but you aint fuckin gonna force no one to believe in that BS

Haha. Your ignorance never ceases to surprise me. The big bang theory is backed up by loads of evidence. Now, I don't expect you to understand it, because, let's face it, dude: you're a fucking retard, who can't even grasp the simplest of scientific terms. I mean, if you were to go into a university level science class, then you would kicked out faster than you can say 9/11 conspiracy.

Quantum mechanics, age of the universe, light expansion, abundance of simple elements, cosmic background radiation and through mathematical laws, like Hubble's. Who the fuck do you think you are, who got the right and knowledge to dismiss something that has been calculated on for more than two decades? My point still stands however. Further study of quantum mechanics, as well as findings in CERN, will only help to improve the already well establishes theory. Maybe they'll even find the Higgs Boson.

The spin thing is a misconception and ignorance of basic physics: The planets all coalesced from the same cloud of dust about five billion years ago. That was not the big bang; planet formation is no big mystery because we can watch the whole process around other stars. The big bang happened 9 billions years, prior to planet formation. Conservation of angular momentum doesn't require that everything spin the same way. Retrograde planets are not a violation of angular momentum because other bodies in the early solar system could account for the compensating spin. Scientists know very little about gravity however. The finding of a graviton or some good evidence for M-theory is coming soon though. The big bang was not a explosion, but a expanding of space (it still does).

Answer just one question, without copy pasting some creationist shit, from my last post. Just one question. I mean, that should be possible, since you're so determined that the evolutionary theory is just a load of bullshit. Too bad the whole scientific community don't agree with you. Gee, weird. Seriously. 1 answer. That's it.

I honestly feel sorry for society and coming generations, if people like you are the meme for what to come.

All that nonsense you blab about, is THEORIES... there is NO evidence of Big Bang, only theories. You buy anything scientist suggest as THEORIES as facts and run with it. You never questin it, you just accept it cause it came from a scientist. But even scientists have disagreements amongst themselves. You think ALL scientists believe in Big Bang THEORY ??
The Big Bang is already dead! The unheralded "Galileo of the 20th century", Halton Arp, has proven that the universe is not expanding. The Big Bang theory is based on a misinterpretation of redshift. The redshift of a distant galaxy is measured in the light coming from that galaxy. Lines in the spectrum of that galaxy show a shift toward the red compared with the same lines from our Sun. Arp discovered that high and low redshift objects are sometimes connected by a bridge or jet of matter. So redshift cannot be a measure of distance. Most of the redshift is intrinsic to the object. But there is more: Arp found that the intrinsic redshift of a quasar or galaxy took discrete values, which decreased with distance from a central active galaxy. In Arp's new view of the cosmos, active galaxies "give birth" to high redshift quasars and companion galaxies. Redshift becomes a measure of the relative ages of nearby quasars and galaxies, not their distance. As a quasar or galaxy ages, the redshift decreases in discrete steps, or quanta.

The huge puzzle for astrophysicists is why a galaxy should exhibit an atomic phenomenon. So we turn to particle physics. This difficulty highlights the fact that quantum "mechanics" applied to atoms is a theory without physical reality. The weirdness of quantum theory has been attributed to the subatomic scale to which it applies. But now that we have quantum effects in something the size of a galaxy, this convenient nonsense is exposed. If Arp is right many experts are going to look very silly. His discovery sounded the alarm in some halls of Academe and since nobody likes a loud noise - particularly if they are asleep - the knee-jerk response was to attack the guy with his finger on the alarm button. Arp's telescope time was denied, papers rejected, and he was forced to leave the US to pursue his work.

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The consequences and possibilities in an Electric Universe are far-reaching. First we must acknowledge our profound ignorance! We know nothing of the origin of the universe. There was no Big Bang. The visible universe is static and much smaller than we thought. We have no idea of the age or extent of the universe. We don't know the ultimate source of the electrical energy or matter that forms the universe. Galaxies are shaped by electrical forces and form plasma focuses at their centers, which periodically eject quasars and jets of electrons. Quasars evolve into companion galaxies. Galaxies form families with identifiable "parents" and "children". Stars are electrical “transformers” not thermonuclear devices. There are no neutron stars or Black Holes. We don't know the age of stars because the thermonuclear evolution theory does not apply to them. Supernovae are totally inadequate as a source of heavy elements. We do not know the age of the Earth because radioactive clocks can be upset by powerful electric discharges.

The powerful electric discharges that form a stellar photosphere create the heavy elements that appear in their spectra. Stars "give birth" electrically to companion stars and gas giant planets. Life is most likely to form inside the radiant plasma envelope of a brown dwarf star! Our Sun has gained new planets, including the Earth. That accounts for the “fruit-salad” of their characteristics. It is not the most hospitable place for life since small changes in the distant Sun could freeze or sterilize the Earth. Planetary surfaces and atmospheres are deposited during their birth from a larger body and during electrical encounters with other planets. Planetary surfaces bear the electrical scars of such cosmic events. The speed of light is not a barrier. Real-time communication over galactic distances may be possible. Therefore time is universal and time travel is impossible. Anti-gravity is possible. Space has no extra dimensions in which to warp or where parallel universes may exist. There is no "zero-point" vacuum energy. The invisible energy source in space is electrical. Clean nuclear power is available from resonant catalytic nuclear systems. Higher energy is available from resonant catalytic chemical systems than in the usual chemical reactions. Biological enzymes are capable of utilizing resonant nuclear catalysis to transmute elements. Biological systems show evidence of communicating via resonant chemical systems, which may lend a physical explanation to the work of Rupert Sheldrake. DNA does not hold the key to life but is more like a blueprint for a set of components and tools in a factory. We may never be able to read the human genome and tell whether it represents a creature with two legs or six because the information that controls the assembly line is external to the DNA. There is more to life than chemistry.

We are not hopelessly isolated in time and space on a tiny rock, orbiting an insignificant star in an insignificant galaxy. We are hopefully connected with the power and intelligence of the universe.

The future in an Electric Universe looks very exciting indeed!

I asked you to answer one of my questions. 1. That was it - only one You couldn't even do that!

Do you even know what kind of shit you just posted? No, of course you don't. Intrinsic redshift has show to be just a failed hypothesis, as it was disapproved decades ago, by advancement in telescopes and measuring instruments. Quasars does not have a intrinsic redshift.

The consistency of the standard quasar model with the assumption that all quasars are at cosmological distances leads most astronomers to apply an Ockham's razor conclusion that intrinsic redshifts do not exist.

Not only that, but this article is just filled to the brim of pseudo-science. First of all; We can read the human genome. Genetic biologists and pharmacist companies uses it today to create new medicines by gene therapy. The speed of light is not a barrier? Yeah, why don't you tell that to Einstein, you fucktard. Ever heard about E=mc^2? Yeah. You're discrediting an entire scientific community, dude. Not only that, but he's saying time travel is impossible, but to go faster than light is? That's an oxymoron - I'm not surprised you didn't know this, as this is basic modern physics.

The visible universe is not static - it's expanding. Actually, it's even accelerating. ΛCDM model explains all this, through the Friedman's equation, and the shitloads of telescopes and processing units that can discover the cosmic background radiation. I mean, it's like you never even opened a physics book before, but just copy random pseudo shit from crackpot web pages. There's no black holes? There's no neutron stars? All this has been found years ago!

And the article states that there's no such thing as quantum mechanics? Uh... Why don't you tell that to the guys at CERN? Or Einstein, Feynman, Hawkings, de Broglie, Schroedinger, Planck and Heisenberg? Dude - you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, do you? You're utter ignorance is pretty funny, actually.

My point still stands however: answer one of my questions from my former post. One, that's it.

[ebake02]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

[StevePerryHair]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

It's a pissing match! B should be careful though, cause those are Parfaits specialty!!!!

[ebake02]

Are they trying to see who can use bigger words? That pissing match is getting pretty deep, might need a life jacket soon!

[artist4perry]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

Parfait is thrilling us with his Pseudo intelligence, and Beshad is telling him to go screw himself, he is not the end all and be all of knowledge. Parfait cannot get anyone disagreeing with any premise of science. He worships science and sleeps with scientists.

Parfait, you are not listening to my posts. I never really wished to debate with you. You ignore everyone's arguments here as I knew you would. Why should anyone waste their time arguing with you? Your harder to shake than a Wesborough Baptist Psycho......and your as pleasant to deal with. Do you realize this stemmed from you attacking the intelligence of women? Then when I said I like science you basically attacked me for my faith? Really, show me where I owe you any explanation for my faith? I owe you and no one else explanation. That is as personal as the color of the hair of my neither regions. I was not trying to convert you to God. You lack social graces and are a childish narcissist. You made out that I had to prove why I don't buy the big Bang. I say I owe you no answers.

[Behshad]

parfait, your questions you ask, dont prove NOR debunk your "theories",,,, . The point stands that there's NO proof whatsoever that Evolution happened. As long as you keep telling yourself that theories are facts, YOU are the lost cause.
I am not denying your "theories",,, I just dont buy them 100% till they are proven and turned into FACTS...Until then, you believe in what YOU think is fact, and I still search for the answers,,,


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"Evolution" mixes two things together, one real, one imaginary. Variation (microevolution) is the real part. The types of bird beaks, the colors of moths, leg sizes, etc. are variation. Each type and length of beak a finch can have is already in the gene pool for finches. Creationists have always agreed that there is variation within species. What evolutionists do not want you to know is that there are strict limits to variation that are never crossed, something every breeder of animals or plants is aware of. Whenever variation is pushed to extremes by selective breeding (to get the most milk from cows, sugar from beets, bristles on fruit flies, or any other characteristic), the line becomes sterile and dies out. And as one characteristic increases, others diminish. But evolutionists want you to believe that changes continue, merging gradually into new kinds of creatures. This is where the imaginary part of the theory of evolution comes in. It says that new information is added to the gene pool by mutation and natural selection to create frogs from fish, reptiles from frogs, and mammals from reptiles, to name a few.

Do these big changes (macroevolution) really happen? Evolutionists tell us we cannot see evolution taking place because it happens too slowly. A human generation takes about 20 years from birth to parenthood. They say it took tens of thousands of generations to form man from a common ancestor with the ape, from populations of only hundreds or thousands. We do not have these problems with bacteria. A new generation of bacteria grows in as short as 12 minutes or up to 24 hours or more, depending on the type of bacteria and the environment, but typically 20 minutes to a few hours. There are more bacteria in the world than there are grains of sand on all of the beaches of the world (and many grains of sand are covered with bacteria). They exist in just about any environment: heat, cold, dry, wet, high pressure, low pressure, small groups, large colonies, isolated, much food, little food, much oxygen, no oxygen, in toxic chemicals, etc. There is much variation in bacteria. There are many mutations (in fact, evolutionists say that smaller organisms have a faster mutation rate than larger ones15). But they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria. Fruit flies are much more complex than already complex single-cell bacteria. Scientists like to study them because a generation (from egg to adult) takes only 9 days. In the lab, fruit flies are studied under every conceivable condition. There is much variation in fruit flies. There are many mutations. But they never turn into anything new. They always remain fruit flies. Many years of study of countless generations of bacteria and fruit flies all over the world shows that evolution is not happening today.

Here is how the imaginary part is supposed to happen: On rare occasions a mutation in DNA improves a creature's ability to survive, so it is more likely to reproduce (natural selection). That is evolution's only tool for making new creatures. It might even work if it took just one gene to make and control one part. But parts of living creatures are constructed of intricate components with connections that all need to be in place for the thing to work, controlled by many genes that have to act in the proper sequence. Natural selection would not choose parts that did not have all their components existing, in place, connected, and regulated because the parts would not work. Thus all the right mutations (and none of the destructive ones) must happen at the same time by pure chance. That is physically impossible. To illustrate just how hopeless it is, imagine this: on the ground are all the materials needed to build a house (nails, boards, shingles, windows, etc.). We tie a hammer to the wagging tail of a dog and let him wander about the work site for as long as you please, even millions of years. The swinging hammer on the dog is as likely to build a house as mutation-natural selection is to make a single new working part in an animal, let alone a new creature.




Evolution is all about constant change, whether gradual or in leaps. Consider a cloud in the sky: it is constantly changing shape due to natural forces. It might look like, say, a rabbit now, and a few minutes later appear to be, say, a horse. In between, the whole mass is shifting about. In a few more minutes it may look like a bird. The problem for evolution is that we never see the shifting between shapes in the fossil record. All fossils are of complete animals and plants, not works in progress "under construction". That is why we can give each distinct plant or animal a name. If evolution's continuous morphing were really going on, every fossil would show change underway throughout the creature, with parts in various stages of completion. For every successful change there should be many more that lead to nothing. The whole process is random trial and error, without direction. So every plant and animal, living or fossil, should be covered inside and out with useless growths and have parts under construction. It is a grotesque image, and just what the theory of evolution really predicts. Even Charles Darwin had a glimpse of the problem in his day. He wrote in his book On the Origin of Species: "The number of intermediate varieties which have formerly existed on Earth must be truly enormous. Why then is not every geological formation and every stratum full of such intermediate links? Geology assuredly does not reveal any such finely graduated organic chain; and this, perhaps, is the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory." The more fossils that are found, the better sense we have of what lived in the past. Since Darwin's day, the number of fossils that have been collected has grown tremendously, so we now have a pretty accurate picture. The gradual morphing of one type of creature to another that evolution predicts is nowhere to be found. There should have been millions of transitional creatures if evolution was true. In the "tree of life" that evolutionists have dreamed up, gaps in the fossil record are especially huge between single-cell creatures, complex invertebrates (such as snails, jellyfish, trilobites, clams, and sponges), and what evolutionists claim were the first vertebrates, fish. In fact, there are no fossil ancestors at all for complex invertebrates or fish. That alone is fatal to the theory of evolution. The fossil record shows that evolution never happened

[ebake02]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

Parfait is thrilling us with his Pseudo intelligence, and Beshad is telling him to go screw himself, he is not the end all and be all of knowledge. Parfait cannot get anyone disagreeing with any premise of science. He worships science and sleeps with scientists.

[Behshad]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

Parfait is thrilling us with his Pseudo intelligence, and Beshad is telling him to go screw himself, he is not the end all and be all of knowledge. Parfait cannot get anyone disagreeing with any premise of science. He worships science and sleeps with scientists.

[parfait]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

Parfait is thrilling us with his Pseudo intelligence, and Beshad is telling him to go screw himself, he is not the end all and be all of knowledge. Parfait cannot get anyone disagreeing with any premise of science. He worships science and sleeps with scientists.

Parfait, you are not listening to my posts. I never really wished to debate with you. You ignore everyone's arguments here as I knew you would. Why should anyone waste their time arguing with you? Your harder to shake than a Wesborough Baptist Psycho......and your as pleasant to deal with. Do you realize this stemmed from you attacking the intelligence of women? Then when I said I like science you basically attacked me for my faith? Really, show me where I owe you any explanation for my faith? I owe you and no one else explanation. That is as personal as the color of the hair of my neither regions. I was not trying to convert you to God. You lack social graces and are a childish narcissist. You made out that I had to prove why I don't buy the big Bang. I say I owe you no answers.

You owe me no answers, because you got no answers, except for your own opinion - which doesn't count for jack shit. I, like the rest of the western world, value logic and rational thinking. Since you people think I use too big words, even though they're the absolute basics in physics and biology, then I'll put it simply:

You people wouldn't get intelligence, if it so is shaped as a burger and goes for 0,99 $ at the local Mickie D's. When one of you contracts cancer (being a fatass greatly increases the risks), then why don't you go tell those pesky doctors with their science and medicine to go fuck themself - you got your own opinion on what works. Hint, Ginger: Praying and eating Oreos doesn't.

Look at the leaves and dog shit all you want - that doesn't make you understand anything. If you want to learn, then listen to the people that knows what they're talking about (eg: professors on university level), or open a decent book. Going to high school in Sweden, and getting what I presume is shitty grades, really doesn't cut it, conspiracy-B. If you people still doesn't want to see the reality of it because of an agenda, or just being dumb, then go for it. Just don't pollute other people with your illogic and infectious mental retardations. Thank the spaghetti monster that you folks are a extremely small minority.

[artist4perry]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

It's a pissing match! B should be careful though, cause those are Parfaits specialty!!!!

[artist4perry]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

Parfait is thrilling us with his Pseudo intelligence, and Beshad is telling him to go screw himself, he is not the end all and be all of knowledge. Parfait cannot get anyone disagreeing with any premise of science. He worships science and sleeps with scientists.

Parfait, you are not listening to my posts. I never really wished to debate with you. You ignore everyone's arguments here as I knew you would. Why should anyone waste their time arguing with you? Your harder to shake than a Wesborough Baptist Psycho......and your as pleasant to deal with. Do you realize this stemmed from you attacking the intelligence of women? Then when I said I like science you basically attacked me for my faith? Really, show me where I owe you any explanation for my faith? I owe you and no one else explanation. That is as personal as the color of the hair of my neither regions. I was not trying to convert you to God. You lack social graces and are a childish narcissist. You made out that I had to prove why I don't buy the big Bang. I say I owe you no answers.

You owe me no answers, because you got no answers, except for your own opinion - which doesn't count for jack shit. I, like the rest of the western world, value logic and rational thinking. Since you people think I use too big words, even though they're the absolute basics in physics and biology, then I'll put it simply:

You people wouldn't get intelligence, if it so is shaped as a burger and goes for 0,99 $ at the local Mickie D's. When one of you contracts cancer (being a fatass greatly increases the risks), then why don't you go tell those pesky doctors with their science and medicine to go fuck themself - you got your own opinion on what works. Hint, Ginger: Praying and eating Oreos doesn't.

Look at the leaves and dog shit all you want - that doesn't make you understand anything. If you want to learn, then listen to the people that knows what they're talking about (eg: professors on university level), or open a decent book. Going to high school in Sweden, and getting what I presume is shitty grades, really doesn't cut it, conspiracy-B. If you people still doesn't want to see the reality of it because of an agenda, or just being dumb, then go for it. Just don't pollute other people with your illogic and infectious mental retardations.

Ohhhhhhhh so nice! Attack my looks and weight? And you think I will honor YOU with any answers. Believe your superior in every way. I did not share my faith now did I? Did I try and convince you there is a God? NO! I said nothing about it. And you called me a fool because I would not go there.
Yes I am fat, but your a fat head.............at least someone loves me enough to spend their whole life with me..........what do you have you pompous child?

[ebake02]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

Parfait is thrilling us with his Pseudo intelligence, and Beshad is telling him to go screw himself, he is not the end all and be all of knowledge. Parfait cannot get anyone disagreeing with any premise of science. He worships science and sleeps with scientists.

Parfait, you are not listening to my posts. I never really wished to debate with you. You ignore everyone's arguments here as I knew you would. Why should anyone waste their time arguing with you? Your harder to shake than a Wesborough Baptist Psycho......and your as pleasant to deal with. Do you realize this stemmed from you attacking the intelligence of women? Then when I said I like science you basically attacked me for my faith? Really, show me where I owe you any explanation for my faith? I owe you and no one else explanation. That is as personal as the color of the hair of my neither regions. I was not trying to convert you to God. You lack social graces and are a childish narcissist. You made out that I had to prove why I don't buy the big Bang. I say I owe you no answers.

You owe me no answers, because you got no answers, except for your own opinion - which doesn't count for jack shit. I, like the rest of the western world, value logic and rational thinking. Since you people think I use too big words, even though they're the absolute basics in physics and biology, then I'll put it simply:

You people wouldn't get intelligence, if it so is shaped as a burger and goes for 0,99 $ at the local Mickie D's. When one of you contracts cancer (being a fatass greatly increases the risks), then why don't you go tell those pesky doctors with their science and medicine to go fuck themself - you got your own opinion on what works. Hint, Ginger: Praying and eating Oreos doesn't.

Look at the leaves and dog shit all you want - that doesn't make you understand anything. If you want to learn, then listen to the people that knows what they're talking about (eg: professors on university level), or open a decent book. Going to high school in Sweden, and getting what I presume is shitty grades, really doesn't cut it, conspiracy-B. If you people still doesn't want to see the reality of it because of an agenda, or just being dumb, then go for it. Just don't pollute other people with your illogic and infectious mental retardations. Thank the spaghetti monster that you folks are a extremely small minority.

Sounds like someone has their panties all up in a bunch. Seriously dude, you really need to get laid or something.

[Behshad]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

Parfait is thrilling us with his Pseudo intelligence, and Beshad is telling him to go screw himself, he is not the end all and be all of knowledge. Parfait cannot get anyone disagreeing with any premise of science. He worships science and sleeps with scientists.

Parfait, you are not listening to my posts. I never really wished to debate with you. You ignore everyone's arguments here as I knew you would. Why should anyone waste their time arguing with you? Your harder to shake than a Wesborough Baptist Psycho......and your as pleasant to deal with. Do you realize this stemmed from you attacking the intelligence of women? Then when I said I like science you basically attacked me for my faith? Really, show me where I owe you any explanation for my faith? I owe you and no one else explanation. That is as personal as the color of the hair of my neither regions. I was not trying to convert you to God. You lack social graces and are a childish narcissist. You made out that I had to prove why I don't buy the big Bang. I say I owe you no answers.

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Good Night ! Hope Nanny tucks you in good so you dont catch a cold

[artist4perry]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

Parfait is thrilling us with his Pseudo intelligence, and Beshad is telling him to go screw himself, he is not the end all and be all of knowledge. Parfait cannot get anyone disagreeing with any premise of science. He worships science and sleeps with scientists.

Parfait, you are not listening to my posts. I never really wished to debate with you. You ignore everyone's arguments here as I knew you would. Why should anyone waste their time arguing with you? Your harder to shake than a Wesborough Baptist Psycho......and your as pleasant to deal with. Do you realize this stemmed from you attacking the intelligence of women? Then when I said I like science you basically attacked me for my faith? Really, show me where I owe you any explanation for my faith? I owe you and no one else explanation. That is as personal as the color of the hair of my neither regions. I was not trying to convert you to God. You lack social graces and are a childish narcissist. You made out that I had to prove why I don't buy the big Bang. I say I owe you no answers.

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Good Night ! Hope Nanny tucks you in good so you dont catch a cold

He finally went bat crackers...................LOL!

[Behshad]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

Parfait is thrilling us with his Pseudo intelligence, and Beshad is telling him to go screw himself, he is not the end all and be all of knowledge. Parfait cannot get anyone disagreeing with any premise of science. He worships science and sleeps with scientists.

Parfait, you are not listening to my posts. I never really wished to debate with you. You ignore everyone's arguments here as I knew you would. Why should anyone waste their time arguing with you? Your harder to shake than a Wesborough Baptist Psycho......and your as pleasant to deal with. Do you realize this stemmed from you attacking the intelligence of women? Then when I said I like science you basically attacked me for my faith? Really, show me where I owe you any explanation for my faith? I owe you and no one else explanation. That is as personal as the color of the hair of my neither regions. I was not trying to convert you to God. You lack social graces and are a childish narcissist. You made out that I had to prove why I don't buy the big Bang. I say I owe you no answers.

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Good Night ! Hope Nanny tucks you in good so you dont catch a cold

He finally went bat crackers...................LOL!

Its Saturday night, so he had to hit the local bar

[ebake02]

What the fuck are you two talking about?

Parfait is thrilling us with his Pseudo intelligence, and Beshad is telling him to go screw himself, he is not the end all and be all of knowledge. Parfait cannot get anyone disagreeing with any premise of science. He worships science and sleeps with scientists.

Parfait, you are not listening to my posts. I never really wished to debate with you. You ignore everyone's arguments here as I knew you would. Why should anyone waste their time arguing with you? Your harder to shake than a Wesborough Baptist Psycho......and your as pleasant to deal with. Do you realize this stemmed from you attacking the intelligence of women? Then when I said I like science you basically attacked me for my faith? Really, show me where I owe you any explanation for my faith? I owe you and no one else explanation. That is as personal as the color of the hair of my neither regions. I was not trying to convert you to God. You lack social graces and are a childish narcissist. You made out that I had to prove why I don't buy the big Bang. I say I owe you no answers.

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Good Night ! Hope Nanny tucks you in good so you dont catch a cold

He finally went bat crackers...................LOL!

Its Saturday night, so he had to hit the local bar

[*Laura]

But they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria.

Too funny...About 24 years ago, I said the exact same thing to my biology/science teacher who was trying to pour darwinism into our brains at the speed of speech. Something was missing ( the missing link? ) so I asked that thing about the neverevolving bacteria. He was caught off guard and did not know how or what to say to sustain what he was preaching. I was disappointed that people like him were designated to teach something they couldn't even explain if asked in depth. I realized that I am not going to get an answer from the person who was supposed to teach the facts, so I said that I am going to visit the local Zoo everyday and if the resident ape will suddenly start talking and will ask "Where's the restroom?", then I'll believe in the theory of evolution. He wasn't amused. Nor was I.

Back then I was trying to figure out if the Big Bang was just a random cosmic fart or if it was a designed one. So I read a ton of books and research materials both scientific and religious because they say that if you are not sure about something you have to listen to both sides. As I was going to find out, there is an amazing amount of logic on both sides, but almost no proof on neither. Both parties are vehemently sustaining their beliefs but they can't prove it without a shadow of a doubt.

My secret ( ) belief is that life on Earth, in all its shapes and forms, is an experiment that was conducted by an extremely developed alien civilisation. They were bio engineers looking for a "lab" and found Earth to be the optimal environment. So maybe that's what God, Jesus and the archangels are/were - scientists. And like all scientists they are watching the evolution of their experiment without interffering. They just want to see the outcome, the results of their experiment.

I won't get into this thread's scary argument though. I used my "Mensa" card to open a can of peas, hoping that they evolved into watermelons. Or maybe it was a "Visa", I dunno...lol

[artist4perry]

But they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria.

Too funny...About 24 years ago, I said the exact same thing to my biology/science teacher who was trying to pour darwinism into our brains at the speed of speech. Something was missing ( the missing link? ) so I asked that thing about the neverevolving bacteria. He was caught off guard and did not know how or what to say to sustain what he was preaching. I was disappointed that people like him were designated to teach something they couldn't even explain if asked in depth. I realized that I am not going to get an answer from the person who was supposed to teach the facts, so I said that I am going to visit the local Zoo everyday and if the resident ape will suddenly start talking and will ask "Where's the restroom?", then I'll believe in the theory of evolution. He wasn't amused. Nor was I.

Back then I was trying to figure out if the Big Bang was just a random cosmic fart or if it was a designed one. So I read a ton of books and research materials both scientific and religious because they say that if you are not sure about something you have to listen to both sides. As I was going to find out, there is an amazing amount of logic on both sides, but almost no proof on neither. Both parties are vehemently sustaining their beliefs but they can't prove it without a shadow of a doubt.

My secret ( ) belief is that life on Earth, in all its shapes and forms, is an experiment that was conducted by an extremely developed alien civilisation. They were bio engineers looking for a "lab" and found Earth to be the optimal environment. So maybe that's what God, Jesus and the archangels are/were - scientists. And like all scientists they are watching the evolution of their experiment without interffering. They just want to see the outcome, the results of their experiment.

I won't get into this thread's scary argument though. I used my "Mensa" card to open a can of peas, hoping that they evolved into watermelons. Or maybe it was a "Visa", I dunno...lol

Good stuff Laura.............I also had Biology and argued with my teacher on some of the things that made no sense to me. He was spewing pea soup like Linda Blair in the Exorcist! LOL! I know neither theory has all the answers, so it boils down to what makes sense to each person as an individual. Parfait needs to understand that because we do not choose to buy into one or two theories, it does not mean we don't believe any science. Nor does our questioning those couple of premises constitute our lack of intelligence, but quite the opposite. Because we don't just take it for gospel because a scientist says so, makes us curious and apt to learn why not. This is seeking knowledge, even if he does not agree to our quest, which is his right, it does not equate we are stupid. He does not have the right to sum up my ability to reason because he and I do not see eye to eye on this. That is it in a nutshell.

[S2M]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I suggest you religious types brush up on your Divine Command Theory.

[ebake02]

But they never turn into anything new. They always remain bacteria.

Back then I was trying to figure out if the Big Bang was just a random cosmic fart....

If you believe Family Guy, the Big Bang was God lighting one of his farts while arm wrestling his roommate.

[artist4perry]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I suggest you religious types brush up on your Divine Command Theory.

I still loves ya S2M if that is what your driving at......................

[artist4perry]

I do have one last thing to say to Parfait.

I don't hate you. I don't like the way you act sometimes but I don't hate you. I have no problem with your believing there is no God. I ask to be respected because I do believe in God. I am intelligent even if you don't wish to acknowledge it. Sometimes you reap what you sew. Maybe if you want to debate such a thing then debate like you should, while treating others with respect. You are not the only educated person on this site. I wish you well, but I have had enough of all this. I would rather joke around with folks because that is what I come here for, to unwind and talk to good friends I have made here. This kind of thing is not my cup of tea. I will take my stupid artist self, and go study the things I love and create new worlds and universes in my art. It is a pleasant way to unwind. Much like being here and shooting the breeze with the great folks at MR.

[Rip Rokken]

My secret ( ) belief is that life on Earth, in all its shapes and forms, is an experiment that was conducted by an extremely developed alien civilisation. They were bio engineers looking for a "lab" and found Earth to be the optimal environment. So maybe that's what God, Jesus and the archangels are/were - scientists. And like all scientists they are watching the evolution of their experiment without interffering. They just want to see the outcome, the results of their experiment.

I never ever, ever, ever thought I'd say this, lol, but theories like yours actually sound about as plausible as anything else these days to me. I was like Ligzig, once a true believer (yes, I believe Ligzig when he says he was, same as I), and now an agnostic I suppose. The slate is wiped clean and I'm starting from scratch, reading as much as I can, listening to as many different lecture courses as I can -- it's been a real adventure.

[Angel]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I suggest you religious types brush up on your Divine Command Theory.

S2M...and everyone else that's trying to shove the big bang/evolution/atheist theory down everyone's throats...

I may not be able to show solid scientific evidence that God exists. Even if I could there would be plenty of evidence that people could bring up against it. But, I do know this-I have seen the hand of God in my life far too many times to deny his existence. I don't understand everything-I don't fully understand how the Earth was made and how we came to be. I think there's a reason I don't understand it just yet. I also believe that someday I will understand it. I know there is life after death and I KNOW God exists. If you choose not to believe, that's fine but you will never convince me or many others here, otherwise so there's really no reason to put people down because they do believe in God.

[S2M]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I suggest you religious types brush up on your Divine Command Theory.

S2M...and everyone else that's trying to shove the big bang/evolution/atheist theory down everyone's throats...

I may not be able to show solid scientific evidence that God exists. Even if I could there would be plenty of evidence that people could bring up against it. But, I do know this-I have seen the hand of God in my life far too many times to deny his existence. I don't understand everything-I don't fully understand how the Earth was made and how we came to be. I think there's a reason I don't understand it just yet. I also believe that someday I will understand it. I know there is life after death and I KNOW God exists. If you choose not to believe, that's fine but you will never convince me or many others here, otherwise so there's really no reason to put people down because they do believe in God.

Actually, again....please take a course on logic, and better yet - read up on Epistemology...the logic of truth and knowledge. You need to be schooled on just what counts as knowledge. Saying, 'The yankees are going to win tonight, I just know it' - is not knowledge. EVEN IF THE YANKEES DO, INDEED, WIN...

[Angel]

I don't need a course in knowledge/logic/whatever to know what my experiences have been. None of your insults, name calling, belittling comments will EVER convince me otherwise and my beliefs are in no way hurting you so you can really quit wasting your time.

[S2M]

I don't need a course in knowledge/logic/whatever to know what my experiences have been. None of your insults, name calling, belittling comments will EVER convince me otherwise and my beliefs are in no way hurting you so you can really quit wasting your time.

I haven't insulted, name called, or belittled anyone.....

But your line of thinkng is very polytheistic. Do you believe the sun rises and sets all by itself, or does Apollo ride his Golden Chariot across the sky every day? By the way you are talking it seems you subscribe to answering any question, phenomena, puzzle, issue, EXPERIENCES, and such with GOD. No offense, but that is very child-like, and primitive....

[Angel]

I don't need a course in knowledge/logic/whatever to know what my experiences have been. None of your insults, name calling, belittling comments will EVER convince me otherwise and my beliefs are in no way hurting you so you can really quit wasting your time.

I haven't insulted, name called, or belittled anyone.....

But your line of thinkng is very polytheistic. Do you believe the sun rises and sets all by itself, or does Apollo ride his Golden Chariot across the sky every day? By the way you are talking it seems you subscribe to answering any question, phenomena, puzzle, issue, EXPERIENCES, and such with GOD. No offense, but that is very child-like, and primitive....

I think that insulting my intelligence by telling me I need to take a course in logic is belittling.

I don't mind being child-like and primitive.

Feel free to live your life believing what you believe and I'll believe what I believe. I don't need to justify my beliefs to you.

[Rip Rokken]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I suggest you religious types brush up on your Divine Command Theory.

Actually, again....please take a course on logic, and better yet - read up on Epistemology...the logic of truth and knowledge. You need to be schooled on just what counts as knowledge. Saying, 'The yankees are going to win tonight, I just know it' - is not knowledge. EVEN IF THE YANKEES DO, INDEED, WIN...

I feel the problem with these types of topics is they usually become competitive debates rather than productive, two-way discussions. It's a great subject and definitely worth talking about, but the only way to make it productive is to keep it in the context of a common goal. I think the common goal of any idea-related discussion is to offer or gain knowledge or insight that can lead to the improvement and betterment of one's life, or life experience. The more open to the other perspectives people are, they more they stand to benefit.

Me, I try to come into any conversation with the realization that I could be wrong, because I can't completely eliminate the subjectivity in my beliefs or opinions. With religion especially, subjective opinion is incredibly high, which makes the discussion so prone to getting heated. Religion usually ties into beliefs about one's eternal destiny, so people on both sides have a lot of emotional investment in their own points of view. What if the Christian is wrong about Jesus? What about the Atheist or Agnostic? I still think religion can be discussed productively as long as plenty of care is taken with the common goal. Can it be achieved, or if not, could it actually do the opposite and cause damage? If so, then what is the point?

This is just my assumption based on your statement above and past discussions. You indicate that people in general would benefit from knowledge which leads to the abandonment of religion altogether, and it makes absolute, perfect sense to you and many people. But nowhere close to everyone, because the greater majority of people believe in a God, creator, whatever. We are all wired differently, and find fulfillment in different ways. I think this is biological, and there is little that can be done about it. I think (theoretically, anyway) everyone wants to find fulfillment and contentment in life. People want to be happy, or happier. Some people get the most contentment in life from factual knowledge, while some find it in life experience, building relationships with others, whatever. Some pursue education and degrees, while others focus on raising a family, traveling and exploring, athletic accomplishments, or building a connection to a higher power.

For people who find contentment and fulfillment in religion, whose beliefs and faith in God have made them better people, abandoning that would be like cutting out their heart. All the knowledge in the world can’t replace that. If I was a person who had found contentment and fulfillment in religion, but the truth was God didn’t really exist, I can promise you I’d rather live the lie and be happy than enlightened and miserable.

I’d go back in a heartbeat if I could, but I don’t see that ever happening because it would take more than just faith at this point. For me to return to faith, I would either have to be wired differently, or God would need to be real and capable of effecting real change in me. I certainly can’t imagine how I could have “believed” any harder than I did. Losing faith in “faith” wasn’t a conscious and willful decision. It was an extremely scary and confusing process, and the most painful thing I’d ever gone thru. If there is one thing I’ve learned in life which has helped me, it’s that trying to force yourself into a mold you don’t naturally fit into is not only uncomfortable, it can pretty damaging over time. I don’t believe highly analytical people like you and I seem to be are the best suited for faith, because when things stop stacking up over a long period of time, we’re the ones who seem to notice and get troubled about it.

Am I a happier person than I was before? It depends... I think I'm healthier than before, and I don't wrestle with the same self-doubt and torment. I've learned to value my biological life much more than I did when I believed death was only the next step to a much better eternity. I've learned to value the differences in other people much more than I ever had before. Abandoning concepts of destiny or that anything is "planned" or layed out for me by a divine being has made me much more active in the choices that I make. I don't have to hesitate waiting for answers or signs that often conflicted or caused me to doubt my gut and take a wrong path on so many occasions. I also recognize my gut instincts and motivations for what they are, instead of interpreting them as nudges from an indwelling holy spirit pushing me to act (often mistakenly). And the pursuit of knowledge has been exciting. Nothing has really changed there, because I only cared about knowing truth before and am still pursuing it wherever it leads me.

Anyway, the point is this. Faith works for some people, and brings them happiness and contentment. I’m sincerely happy for them, and envious. For some, faith doesn’t work, even after their best and most sincere efforts. People who are suffering in religion might very well improve their lives by letting go, but otherwise, I don’t see any reason or benefit from doing so. I know a lot of miserable, conflicted Christians, but I know a few happy ones as well, and who knows... maybe they are the ones who get the last laugh?