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Postby StevePerryHair » Thu Jul 04, 2013 12:35 am

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Yeah, if your curious to ever watch it again, it's a movie not to watch just once. The first time is just one big eye opening clutter that doesn't slow down for anyone. The second time was my favorite viewing. Everything slowed down to where I could actually focus on what was going on. I can watch it over and over with different feelings each time.

I know they cast Henry Cavill perfectly, because sometimes I looked at him, and thought he was too geeky in certain scenes, and then he just looked hot, with these great eyes in other scenes. And then I realized, THAT is superman! Clark Kent was the geek to Superman's perfection! They didn't need glasses or the goofy demeanor they used with Christopher reeves to do this either. The casting is what will make a series of these movies a success!
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:43 am

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YoungJRNY wrote:
Yeah, if your curious to ever watch it again, it's a movie not to watch just once. The first time is just one big eye opening clutter that doesn't slow down for anyone. The second time was my favorite viewing. Everything slowed down to where I could actually focus on what was going on. I can watch it over and over with different feelings each time.


I know they cast Henry Cavill perfectly, because sometimes I looked at him, and thought he was too geeky in certain scenes, and then he just looked hot, with these great eyes in other scenes. And then I realized, THAT is superman! Clark Kent was the geek to Superman's perfection! They didn't need glasses or the goofy demeanor they used with Christopher reeves to do this either. The casting is what will make a series of these movies a success!


In most variations, Lois Lane treats geeky Clark Kent as a doormat as her own personal competition within the 'Planet', making him out to be a total buffoon as she fawns over Superman relentlessly and treats nice-guy Clark Kent as a weasel and nerd. In some others, she treats him as the "good friend" co-worker who is in the friend-zone permanently as she fawns over Superman and his charm. In the mid-90's, they got married ( :roll: )

I like the route MOS's going.

Not only is she fully aware that Clark Kent is Superman, she also has to play possum and secret with him inside the Daily Planet and tip-toe around other competitive co-workers in a full blown out-in-the-open conflict.That's going to make for an interesting world for Lois and Clark when it comes to their working and personal relationship. Clark will have his goofy, witty and laugh out loud dimwit moments, but he won't be a doormat in the slightest in this new take.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby StevePerryHair » Thu Jul 04, 2013 4:58 am

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StevePerryHair wrote:
YoungJRNY wrote:
Yeah, if your curious to ever watch it again, it's a movie not to watch just once. The first time is just one big eye opening clutter that doesn't slow down for anyone. The second time was my favorite viewing. Everything slowed down to where I could actually focus on what was going on. I can watch it over and over with different feelings each time.


I know they cast Henry Cavill perfectly, because sometimes I looked at him, and thought he was too geeky in certain scenes, and then he just looked hot, with these great eyes in other scenes. And then I realized, THAT is superman! Clark Kent was the geek to Superman's perfection! They didn't need glasses or the goofy demeanor they used with Christopher reeves to do this either. The casting is what will make a series of these movies a success!


In most variations, Lois Lane treats geeky Clark Kent as a doormat as her own personal competition within the 'Planet', making him out to be a total buffoon as she fawns over Superman relentlessly and treats nice-guy Clark Kent as a weasel and nerd. In some others, she treats him as the "good friend" co-worker who is in the friend-zone permanently as she fawns over Superman and his charm. In the mid-90's, they got married ( :roll: )

I like the route MOS's going.

Not only is she fully aware that Clark Kent is Superman, she also has to play possum and secret with him inside the Daily Planet and tip-toe around other competitive co-workers in a full blown out-in-the-open conflict.That's going to make for an interesting world for Lois and Clark when it comes to their working and personal relationship. Clark will have his goofy, witty and laugh out loud dimwit moments, but he won't be a doormat in the slightest in this new take.
yes! I love that too! I hated the Lois Margo Kidder had to portray. This was a relationship you could root for in this movie! I like where they're going too. I always hated how Louis couldn't tell Clark was superman. This movie had a darker feel, and the respect in their relationship fits with that! I loved all the flashbacks to his childhood too. A great way to make you feel for his character! It was actually emotional at times, not silly. I mean the superman movies from my childhood were fine. It's nostalgia. But they seem goofy when I see them now as an adult.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Thu Jul 04, 2013 9:26 am

StevePerryHair wrote: I mean the superman movies from my childhood were fine. It's nostalgia. But they seem goofy when I see them now as an adult.


You're not kiddin'! I'm a Superman dweeb, so of course I'm going to love dusting off the 1978-1980's DVD's and give them a nice retro-spin and enjoy the hell out of it. Before going to see Man of Steel, we all got together and had "Superman" night to get us ready for the big viewing the next night. I popped in "SUPERMAN II" and after 15 minutes of loving it, I looked around and everybody had this look on their face like " :|" and was snickering at it other than with it. I then announced I was going to bring them out of their snore-fest coma and turn it off, lmao.

The Reeve movies are such classics, that even the cheesiness is outdated. Nostalgia is awesome, but moving as far away from the goofy Donner films was the greatest agreement the studio ever came up with, haha.
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Postby StevePerryHair » Thu Jul 04, 2013 10:50 pm

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StevePerryHair wrote: I mean the superman movies from my childhood were fine. It's nostalgia. But they seem goofy when I see them now as an adult.


You're not kiddin'! I'm a Superman dweeb, so of course I'm going to love dusting off the 1978-1980's DVD's and give them a nice retro-spin and enjoy the hell out of it. Before going to see Man of Steel, we all got together and had "Superman" night to get us ready for the big viewing the next night. I popped in "SUPERMAN II" and after 15 minutes of loving it, I looked around and everybody had this look on their face like " :|" and was snickering at it other than with it. I then announced I was going to bring them out of their snore-fest coma and turn it off, lmao.

The Reeve movies are such classics, that even the cheesiness is outdated. Nostalgia is awesome, but moving as far away from the goofy Donner films was the greatest agreement the studio ever came up with, haha.

My kids had a similar reaction to the old movies, when we pulled them up on HBO. They were running them the last month or so, I'm guessing because of MOS. They asked me if we knew how bad the graphics of him flying were back then, or if it was considered good. I am pretty sure we were impressed with them! :lol: Kids today! They expect so much! ;) (I officially sound 80 now!! :lol: )
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Postby verslibre » Thu Jul 04, 2013 11:10 pm

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StevePerryHair wrote:I popped in "SUPERMAN II" and after 15 minutes of loving it, I looked around and everybody had this look on their face like " :|" and was snickering at it other than with it.


Generation ADD. :lol:
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Postby YoungJRNY » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:24 am

StevePerryHair wrote: They asked me if we knew how bad the graphics of him flying were back then, or if it was considered good. I am pretty sure we were impressed with them! :lol: Kids today! They expect so much! ;) (I officially sound 80 now!! :lol: )


There are plenty of parts within the older Super-franchise that stand a GREAT test of time with the special effects. Some, eh, not so much and there are embarrassingly bad spots. Superman: The Movie holds well.

Superman II had too much fallout within directors and the sloppiness embarrassingly shows.

This convo reminds me of how far video game graphics have come and what kids expect today (my younger nephew, who is a huge gamer these days, LOVED MOS for the CGI alone.)

I remember back in 1993, my brother T-Time walked in the door and was explaining to my dad the "crazy" graphics "Madden '93" had and how unbelievably "REAL" it was.

The 70's-80's generation came from an Atari, graphically deprived era that appreciates certain things. I'm that LAST ( early 90's) generation that still can't believe how far graphics have come and can't wrap my mind around it.

Here was "Madden '93" btw:
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SO REAL! :lol: ....and we believed it, lmao.
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Postby Everett » Fri Jul 05, 2013 4:57 am

Oh man remember those days :lol:
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Jul 05, 2013 11:39 am

Saw MOS the Sunday after release. Thought the opening scenes on Krypton were fabulous. Overall gave it a 6.5 out of 10. I'll forever remember this movie for Pa Kent lecturing to young Clark how it might have been better to let a bus load of his classmates drown rather than save them. Then watching Pa Kent himself run out into the path of a tornado to save his flea-bitten mongrel. Literally laughed out loud in the theater and muttered, "What an idiot...I'm glad he's dead." :lol:
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Postby RedWingFan » Fri Jul 05, 2013 3:20 pm

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YoungJRNY wrote:MOS picking back up in the BO and should have a very nice 4th of July weekend number as well. WOM is particually better than what people thought, holding its own in weekday sells and holding consistent on weekends, proving WOM is as good as can be. Crickets from the haters is the way it should be on other forums 8)


From what I read, it dropped another 50%. World War Z is proving to have strong legs at the box office. Superman is a domestic disappointment.

Despite it's big opening, at this rate, it's not even going to top Raimi's '02 SpiderMan, even with the benefit of 3D charges and increased ticket prices that SpiderMan didn't have.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Jul 06, 2013 1:46 am

Come on, Spider-Man '02 was the begining and benchmark that marked the jugernautic kick off to the genre and is argually comics most popular hero. SM was huge. If you want to talk about 3D sells, MOS has broken many of those numbers and gave the 3D business major numbers. MOS has a unique crowd to please and the negatives is the reason why Supes is the hardest to do. You got the Reeve crowd who refuses to accept anything else and the failure of Superman Returns still fresh in peoples minds. Regardless, with Despicable Me 2 out, MOS's showtimes have been cut bad and still saw a +29% jump from Wednesday to Thursday. Should make a solid 4th of July Weekend for a reboot losing screens with competition and could pass $600 mil WW by Monday with only 3 weeks out. The numbers are solid for a reboot and is a success.
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Postby verslibre » Sat Jul 06, 2013 2:35 am

A comparison to Spider-Man doesn't make sense. It was the character's first big screen adaptation (the movies with Nicholas Hammond were made for TV) and anticipation built up to a fever pitch. There were LONG ass lines of people waiting to get in to see the first Spider-Man. It was like waiting outside to see Jedi back in the day, only you didn't have to wait as long because they now show movies on multiple screens. :lol:

Then SM2 was even bigger.

SM3 is like Iron Man 3. Worst of the trilogy but it made the most money.
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Postby strangegrey » Sat Jul 06, 2013 3:04 am

I have a hard time seeing and hearing how it's the blockbuster of the summer.

As of the start of last weekend, it hadn't yet broken into the black, once you add production budget (currently estimated at $225M), cost overruns (which aren't advertised, but definitely there) and the simply gargantuan marketing budget (which I last read, was approx $200M :shock: ).


Personally, I saw it twice. It had it's good points and it had some fucking horrible ones (the eyeball twisting CGI fight scenes, especially at the end, were awful).
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Jul 06, 2013 4:10 am

strangegrey wrote:I have a hard time seeing and hearing how it's the blockbuster of the summer.

As of the start of last weekend, it hadn't yet broken into the black, once you add production budget (currently estimated at $225M), cost overruns (which aren't advertised, but definitely there) and the simply gargantuan marketing budget (which I last read, was approx $200M :shock: ).


Personally, I saw it twice. It had it's good points and it had some fucking horrible ones (the eyeball twisting CGI fight scenes, especially at the end, were awful).


First time I heard that :lol: Interesting. Good to see people going back to see it twice. Superman's origin needed to be explored in this type of tone and setting. It's a movie not to be watched once. It's a successful kickoff to the franchise. It was made and left for people to either embrace it or try to accept the new circumstances to the Superman character. It's a tricky reboot and I applaud the team to go through with ballsy beginnings.

MOS is a smash hit when it comes to merchandising alone (let alone the Blu-Ray pre-order phenom.) Superman is basically outselling Batman merchandising at this point and the people who have decided not to be apart of marketing and what not missed the boat bigtime.

The sequel has a ton of intriguing storylines to become huge, especially the benchmark to introduce a Justice League partner.
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Postby strangegrey » Sat Jul 06, 2013 6:20 am

YoungJRNY wrote:First time I heard that :lol: Interesting.



Honestly, I don't believe that. Its like the first time you had no choice but to listen/respond. Yes, there's been over-wheming positive response to this movie. But there's been some very vocal negative too.

There hasn't been a second week fall-off as significant as the one Man of Steel experienced last month (65%). That's absolutely huge. The worst large budget failures of 2013 (i.e. After Earth) didn't have as high of a fall off. Shit, John Carter didnt have that bad of a fall off....

I'm not sure where your source is regarding the merch receipts (I'd like to see it)....but from the standpoint of movie receipts, so far MoS is a break even venture only right now. They announced MoS as the blockbuster success of the summer before any average joe saw the movie. Give me a fucking break! The reverse is currently happening with Lone Ranger (and happened with John Carter). The movie was declared a complete fucking failure by tuesday mid-day.....yet not a soul besides press had seen the movie yet! :shock: These movies are being declared hits or misses before anyone has had a chance to vet it. Sad....

Regarding the CGI....it was fucking awful. There were interesting nuggets throughout that entire 40,000 minute long stupid fight scene between Zod and Superman. No one saw them because the action was so dizzying and hard to follow. For example.....I'd be willing to bet less than 0.04% of all viewers caught the fact that Zod threw a 'Wayne Enterprises' satellite at Superman. That, would have been a great moment if it didn't blow by in a nano-second. Same with superman getting tossed into a "This job site hasn't had an accident in 60 days" sign...after he fell, the sign numbers fell to 0. I funny moment inserted for humor.....completely lost because the vast majority of people couldn't catch it fast enough. I only saw these two things on the second watching.

CGI is great. I love it. It's allowed some amazing things to be done in post that were simply impossible in real action photography. A perfect example is Davy Jones from POTC or Voldemort from HP. Both CGI creations that are just perfectly done and nearly impossible in real action. But when everything is done in front of a green screen and flown in by computer, you lose realness. Then, you speed up everything so that it's all happening at a blur. It's disgusting......The last 30-40 minutes of MoS was disgusting....
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Jul 06, 2013 7:04 am

Honestly, I don't believe that. Its like the first time you had no choice but to listen/respond. Yes, there's been over-wheming positive response to this movie. But there's been some very vocal negative too.


Honestly, though there's been overwhelmingly positive response's to MOS and the obvious negativity that some may experience like yourself or TNC, I've seen most of the negatives that have to do with pacing, editing and problems in the non-linear way of telling a story and/or fans of the character who can't wrap their head around something different than what came before it for comparison issues.

Virtually, when I hear the negative stuff (there clearly is, more tightening up is a sure thing for the sequel) almost every response about the CGI has been a positive force and rarely do most people think that the CGI and Action to a character that was sprouted from "ACTION COMICS" thought it was disgusting so that's kind of a different take on the negativity since most people compared the CGI and action to out-do Avengers.

There hasn't been a second week fall-off as significant as the one Man of Steel experienced last month (65%). That's absolutely huge. The worst large budget failures of 2013 (i.e. After Earth) didn't have as high of a fall off. Shit, John Carter didnt have that bad of a fall off....


The drop was huge and the front-loaded opening is going to factor into that big of a drop-off when the June 2013 slate of competition was like no other when looking at prior June BO's. The good thing is, MOS has stabilized and is seeing jumps in weekly and weekend sales comparing to that week so people are going back to see it twice (like yourself) and WOM is keeping it hanging in there to carry it out to a successful start to the franchise. The numbers are where they should be. This 4th of July weekend should be solid, even with some massive showtimes for MOS being axed for other screens.

I'm not sure where your source is regarding the merch receipts (I'd like to see it)....


Warner Bros. Is a 'Man of Steel' Marketing Machine

Warner Bros. has made close to $170 million in promotional deals with over 100 partners—more than any movie in recent memory. According to Ad Age, the previous record holder was Universal’s (CMCSA) 2012 movie, The Lorax, which had 70.

“He’s selling as well as Batman, which is surprising,” says Globe. “We’ve always thought Batman had an advantage from a toy perspective because he has a very cool car and gadgets, while Superman, uh, flies.”

http://www.businessweek.com/articles/20 ... ng-machine

That, would have been a great moment if it didn't blow by in a nano-second.


How ironic that most fans were petrified Snyder would use his usual and typical "slow-mo" shots in MOS. Now, two fights between two super-powered aliens that can fly at warps speed is too fast :lol: I thought the action was awesome. A lot happening, but slows down with multiple viewings. Defiantly something to see more than once to capture the ultimate scope MOS set.


The gripes are there, but it's the teams first crack at the rebooted Supes franchise. They got a ton right, but the direction needs tightening for the sequel. It's a fantastic start. The future installments could set up to be something special and GREAT.
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Postby verslibre » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:22 am

strangegrey wrote:There hasn't been a second week fall-off as significant as the one Man of Steel experienced last month (65%). That's absolutely huge. The worst large budget failures of 2013 (i.e. After Earth) didn't have as high of a fall off. Shit, John Carter didnt have that bad of a fall off....


Explain to me how something can have a fall off when it never even made it onto the springboard?

John Carter cost an estimated 250M to make. It bombed in the worst way: a 30M opening weekend.

It took that movie 2-1/2 months to even make back its production budget, and that was thanks to its worldwide gross.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sat Jul 06, 2013 10:30 pm

strangegrey wrote:There hasn't been a second week fall-off as significant as the one Man of Steel experienced last month (65%). That's absolutely huge. The worst large budget failures of 2013 (i.e. After Earth) didn't have as high of a fall off. Shit, John Carter didnt have that bad of a fall off....


Bingo. Even if it does well internationally, MOS's domestic performance has rendered the franchise dead in the water (again). With Nolan's involvement and the endless publicity campaign, MOS should be doing Dark Knight type boffo business. The sequel talk rite now is mainly hype to save face. If anything, maybe they will team up Supes with Batman in the next one to hedge their bets. As it currently stands, the film is yet another cinematic Superman let down. As a parallel - both Ang Lee and Ed Norton's Hulk movies made roughly the same at the box office and did not result in a superhero franchise. Same deal with Bryan Singer and now, Snyder's (who is a pretty awful director) versions of Superman.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sat Jul 06, 2013 11:51 pm

MOS pulled in a strong 3.92 million Friday when it should be in the low 2's. It's on fire on its own merit. WOM is good 8) Weekend should do around 12 million (could hit $270 mil domestic by the end of week) and Brazil just pulled in a damn impressive $503,086 in preview screenings alone. MOS has yet to hit other markets until like, August 30th as well.

With Nolan's involvement and the endless publicity campaign, MOS should be doing Dark Knight type boffo business. The sequel talk rite now is mainly hype to save face.


That's not true, dude. No way possible you can set the standard to a reboot and new take on a character coming off a failure in 2006 and expect it to reach anywhere NEAR TDK numbers. That's simply the problem with "comparison" obsession.

What did MOS have working for it other than trailers? TDK had BB to work off of with incredible WOM and BB's DVD sales were Earth-shattering. Mix in the greatest villain of ALL-TIME in the Joker teased at the END of BB and then Heath Ledgers death and there you have a perfect storm to the Bat-franchise that MOS would ever dream to match.

It's not a fair comparison in the slightest. You're fooling yourself if MOS was pressured to perform TDK numbers. Now if MOS2 teases the start to the JL or Batman/WW/Flash cameo's...now the numbers would be talked big.

If anything, maybe they will team up Supes with Batman in the next one to hedge their bets.


MOS2 will be first in the campaign with cameo's set to break off the likes of WW or Flash in their own films and maybe a Worlds Finest before the huge JL teammup. DC is going to have to get their plan together but it's all going to start with MOS2. The Easter Eggs in MOS were just placed to let it know it's a shared universe.

As it currently stands, the film is yet another cinematic Superman let down.


There's so much wrong in that sentence. Not sure how you figure. The numbers are where they're supposed to be and will garner a sequel :lol: It's doing TASM numbers and that franchise just got what? A 3-4 movie deal :lol: Realistically, MOS is doing very well for a successful beginning to the franchise. Nowhere even remotely close to being a letdown. MOS is practically the only franchise WB has right now. They should be celebrating the kickoff to the highly anticipated DC Universe.

As a parallel - both Ang Lee and Ed Norton's Hulk movies made roughly the same at the box office and did not result in a superhero franchise


Ang Lee Hulk
ENTIRE GROSS:
Domestic: $132,177,234
World Wide: $245,360,480

Man of Steel
3 weeks in:
Domestic: $259,776,003.8
World Wide: $531,476,000 (not updated since last Sunday)

Incredible Hulk
ENTIRE GROSS:
Domestic: $134,806,913
World Wide: $263,427,551

Man of Steel
3 weeks in:
Domestic: $259,776,003.8
World Wide: $531,476,000 (not updated since last Sunday)

MOS is a success. Besides, it's all about measuring dicks anyway in the BO. The sequel will be announced soon, which is all I care about anyhow 8)
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jul 07, 2013 12:58 am

YoungJRNY wrote:MOS pulled in a strong 3.92 million Friday when it should be in the low 2's. It's on fire on its own merit. WOM is good 8) Weekend should do around 12 million (could hit $270 mil domestic by the end of week) and Brazil just pulled in a damn impressive $503,086 in preview screenings alone. MOS has yet to hit other markets until like, August 30th as well.


When you have a movie featuring one of the most famous and beloved icons of all time, and you can't even hold the second weekend?? And you drop more than 50%? Yeah, that's a BIG Doomsday-sized problem.

YoungJRNY wrote:That's not true, dude. No way possible you can set the standard to a reboot and new take on a character coming off a failure in 2006 and expect it to reach anywhere NEAR TDK numbers. That's simply the problem with "comparison" obsession.


Why the fuck not? Nolan's name, as well as his involvement with Batman, was heavily promoted in nearly all MOS trailers and publicity materials. The expectation, given the character's pedigree and Nolan's record, was for Batman-type business.

YoungJRNY wrote:What did MOS have working for it other than trailers? TDK had BB to work off of with incredible WOM and BB's DVD sales were Earth-shattering. Mix in the greatest villain of ALL-TIME in the Joker teased at the END of BB and then Heath Ledgers death and there you have a perfect storm to the Bat-franchise that MOS would ever dream to match.


Man of Steel has the success of BB, TDK, and TDKR going for it, as well as Nolan's clout. Furthermore, Superman isn't some obscure comic book entity like The Flaming Carrot or Preacher, that should need a hard sell. It's Superman. The fact that WB can barely give it away, tells you something went horribly wrong.

YoungJRNY wrote:It's not a fair comparison in the slightest. You're fooling yourself if MOS was pressured to perform TDK numbers. Now if MOS2 teases the start to the JL or Batman/WW/Flash cameo's...now the numbers would be talked big.


The only one fooling himself is you. MOS has continued to decline at the domestic box office and has proved to be a flash in the pan, despite the blitzkrieg of hype and Fast Food tie-in toys. Like a red and blue streak flying at the speed of light over a crowd of oblivious texting Metropolis residents, it's been blink, miss it, it's going going going....GONE! Straight to a Redbox near you. What's left but a faint bi-colored shitstain on the pop cultural consciousness, and a bunch of Warner Brother Execs now frantically worried for their jobs. MOS wasn't the blockbuster of the summer, much less the month of June.

YoungJRNY wrote:MOS2 will be first in the campaign with cameo's set to break off the likes of WW or Flash in their own films and maybe a Worlds Finest before the huge JL teammup. DC is going to have to get their plan together but it's all going to start with MOS2. The Easter Eggs in MOS were just placed to let it know it's a shared universe.


Yes, recite the PR spin line just like a good little toady. There will be no MOS sequel. You heard it here first.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:36 am

When you have a movie featuring one of the most famous and beloved icons of all time, and you can't even hold the second weekend?? And you drop more than 50%? Yeah, that's a BIG Doomsday-sized problem.


Most famous, beloved icons of all time? Possibly, but so is Mickey Mouse.

I'm a diehard Supes fan (if you couldn't tell 8) ) but you'd have to be living under a goddamn rock not to know the ultimate struggle the Superman character has been in within the last few decades PLUS.

Not only was his character dragged through an ugly legal battle, but creators within DC themselves threw their hands up in the air in the comic-lore.

He's been written pathetically through the years until recently and polls show his popularity percentages are nowhere NEAR the likes of Iron Man, Batman or even Spidey or the Avengers and the failure of Superman Returns in '06 didn't help matters.

The "most beloved", outdated, "Boy Scout" icon doesn't necc. mean he's the most popular. In fact, people go out of their way to make fun nowadays (that's an understatement.)

MOS's aim was to bring him back to the younger audience and re-create a new direction. SUCCEEDED.

As for the BO, you are so hooked on that big drop the second week, but fail to note the facts that are clearly out there that show why the film has taken that second week beating.

You're still underestimating the stabilization of the film that the numbers are now showing whilst losing screens by the day within a fierce June competition, one where June hasn't seen for years.

WB estimated MOS to have a $70-80 million dollar opening weekend and it crushed their expectations.

Why the fuck not? Nolan's name, as well as his involvement with Batman, was heavily promoted in nearly all MOS trailers and publicity materials. The expectation, given the character's pedigree and Nolan's record, was for Batman-type business.


Nolan's name could only do so much. He barely worked on the project. But you also fail to realize that the film also was tied to critical whipping boy Zack Snyder's name as well.

It was widely known way before-hand that this was Zack Snyder's baby and he claimed time and time again that no-way shape or form could Superman ever be compared to Batman, especially in Christopher Nolan's world where only Batman exists.

DC has their own formula to work off of and it's a grounded universe. Other than that, you can't parallel Batman-type business or even remotely expect that in the BO (even though merchandise is practically out-selling Batman at this point.)

Man of Steel has the success of BB, TDK, and TDKR going for it, as well as Nolan's clout.


You know what else it has going against it? Zack Syder, Watchmen, Suckerpunch, Green Lantern and Superman Returns. Nolan barely did ANYTHING with this project other than slightly over-see things. BB, TDK and TDKR is its own entity, one to where it's a STANDALONE franchise, something Nolan bashed into everybody's faces.

At this juncture, MOS is the only successful franchise WB has to claim off of moving forward and the numbers are performing on par to where they should be.



The only one fooling himself is you.



When you're saying things like this then turn around and state this:

There will be no MOS sequel. You heard it here first.


..then it's widely clear that I'm not the one being fooled.. 8)


There will be no MOS sequel. You heard it here first.


Highlighted, bookmarked and SAVED. We shall see, my friend. :lol:
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:57 am

http://movies.yahoo.com/news/box-office ... 21749.html

Warner Bros.' blockbuster Superman *reboot* added $3.8 million Friday, and has accumulated more than $530 million worldwide in four weeks of release.


Solid. 8)
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Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:08 am

TNC:

If you think there's not going to be a sequel...I wouldn't put money on that bet.
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Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:51 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:As a parallel - both Ang Lee and Ed Norton's Hulk movies made roughly the same at the box office and did not result in a superhero franchise.


When the second movie did not outperform the first, I knew it was over for Hulk for many years as a solo film character. Hulk is a great character, but to get massive b.o. numbers you'd have to put the World War Hulk storyline on the screen, and that's practically an Avengers film itself (hint, hint, Marvel Studios). But there's a whole other story that would have to be told before you even get to WWH.

Hulk isn't as easy a character to put onscreen as one would think because the "Hulk smash" stuff gets old if you don't save it. Some of the best Hulk stories (written by Harlan Ellison, no less) involve Hulk's time in a subatomic universe where he retains Banner's mind and gets himself a green queen. It'll never work onscreen because the masses of asses can't get their head around stuff like that. In the 70s and early 80s, Marvel published a b&w Hulk magazine which had stories that were tonally miles apart from the color comic. Some downright trippy, surreal stuff...that will also never work on the big screen. Everybody just wants to see him get big and bend metal and use helicopters as makeshift boomerangs and stuff like that.

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Same deal with Bryan Singer and now, Snyder's (who is a pretty awful director) versions of Superman.


Singer's X-Men (which is aging not-too-well) did result in a franchise, though. However, that was due to the popularity of the characters.

So...anyone else excited we're going to get a Dr. Strange movie? I really, really, really, really hope it's going to be good. I hope they don't camp it up. I don't want RDJ-Stark, Part Deux.
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 07, 2013 4:09 am

YoungJRNY wrote:
TheIgnobleCause wrote:
Man of Steel has the success of BB, TDK, and TDKR going for it, as well as Nolan's clout.


You know what else it has going against it? Zack Syder, Watchmen, Suckerpunch, Green Lantern and Superman Returns.


Let's nail this down once and for all. GL was a bust but that movie's headstone already has birdshit splattered all over it. What MoS has going "against" it...is Superman Returns. This is not Zack's fault at all. SR is a shameless platter of Donner-ass-kissage that is tarnished by some truly awful story elements. Worst of all, it's still fresh in everyone's minds. People can't forget it (and the Donner die-hards don't want to and keep referencing it).

IF Superman Returns had never happened, IF Singer and his buttbuddies had not been allowed to "craft" that polished turd ("we want Superman to have a swimmer's build"—LOL!), MoS would be gangbusters. IF MoS was the first Superman film since the '80s, it would be an unstoppable juggernaut right now. Everyone would be freaking over how "cool" and "different" and "edgy" it is and they'd be making Snyder memes and carving Nolan statues right now. But Superman Returns is lingering over there in the background, so...

FWIW, I think Nolan did the right thing by making the TDK trilogy a standalone saga. He just didn't want anyone to come along and bastardize it and fuck with it after he completed his work. He didn't want it "Schumacherized." I just watched The Dark Knight Rises on Blu-ray last night and I think he wrapped it perfectly. The movie, being the third, has more problems but overall it kicks mucho ass and the cinematography in those movies is ace.
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Postby YoungJRNY » Sun Jul 07, 2013 6:10 am

Good weekend for Man of Steel ; 11.7 million estimate boxoffice.com


Man of Steel is now officially the #1 grossing superhero reboot in the US with $263 million dollars and counting:

Domestic:
Man of Steel $263,691,000 (and counting)
Amazing Spiderman $262,030,663
Batman Begins $206,852,432
Incredible Hulk $134,806,913


They ALL got sequels but Incredible Hulk, as Mr.v already pointed out 8)
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Re: MAN OF STEEL....OK, I'm excited now! :)

Postby verslibre » Sun Jul 07, 2013 7:08 am

After 3-1/2 months, Amazing Spider-Man's domestic gross reached $262M, and its production budget was $230M, and it's locked for no fewer than three sequels.

Yet TNC thinks MoS won't get a sequel. Like I said earlier...that's a bet I wouldn't make. :lol:

Btw, unless I read it wrong, ASM took two months to hit its worldwide gross of $697M.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:42 pm

YoungJRNY wrote:Nolan's name could only do so much. He barely worked on the project. But you also fail to realize that the film also was tied to critical whipping boy Zack Snyder's name as well.


And who did Snyder personally meet with before getting hired? Nolan.
Who co-wrote the story with Goyer? Nolan's bro - just like the previous 2 Bat movies.
It goes w/out saying (but I'll say it anyway) that Nolan's involvement was supposed to translate into a bigger box office gross, there's no doubt about that. In the past, everyone from JJ Abrams to McG to Tim Burton was associated with a Superman reboot. Warner Bros. didn't call any of them, they sought out Nolan.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Sun Jul 07, 2013 1:43 pm

verslibre wrote:After 3-1/2 months, Amazing Spider-Man's domestic gross reached $262M, and its production budget was $230M, and it's locked for no fewer than three sequels.


Another weak reboot that pretty much nobody likes. Of course it made money, its Spiderman!
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verslibre wrote:Let's nail this down once and for all. GL was a bust but that movie's headstone already has birdshit splattered all over it.


I thought GL was great. Giant floating cloud villain a little weak, but overall another great film by Martin Campbell.
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