Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[YoungJRNY]

[Monker]

MoS was not some type of revolutionary thing. It IS a great movie...but that is because it followed the Heroes Journey, almost completely:

1. The "hero" starts as an ordinary dude in an ordinary world that anybody can relate to. (his life in Kansas)
2. The hero has a call to adventure. (He knows he has superpowers.)
3. The hero refuses the journey. (Shown when he does not save his father...because of the "they're not ready..." attitude.)
4. The hero has mentors. (both his Earthly father and his Krypton father are mentors.)
5. A committment to leaving the "ordinary" world to the extraordinary world. (When he goes on the spaceship, he left the ordinary world of Earth.)
6. The hero is tested and allies and enemies are found. (Lois, the army general, etc are found as allies...Zod and his crew are defined as enemies. Zod calls him out and he is tested with his first battle on Earth.)
7. Major challenge in the newly found extraordinary world. (his second battle with Zod).
8. Reward for facing the enemy (He knows his strengths and weaknesses. He no longer 'hides' from humanity, but protects it.)
9. Driven to complete the adventure (Zod forced Superman to kill him)
10. inner conflicts resolved. (Upon Zod's death, Superman has finally completely shed hiding his alien self and has come to terms with being something 'more' than we are)
11. Journey back to the ordinary world (The final scenes of "Superman, the good guy" and Clark Kent).

This is textbook storytelling that has been around for thousands of years. It is built into the human psyche to enjoy. That is all the writers did, follow the hero's journey.

As for the filming and such...I felt the space scenes were directly ripped from Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica, shaky camera and all. The "world generator" instantly reminded me of the drill in the Star Trek reboot.

Yeah, it may be new to Superman, but it's not new to film.

Yeah, it was a good story and well told...but what it wasn't is anything new or innovative for anything other than Superman.

and, yes, you can take any of the Marvel movies, including Avengers, and critique the same way....that is my point.

People thought they were ready to see two Kryptonian's battle it out on Earth and just couldn't handle the destruction these two God's had the potential to create. After Superman Returns, all people said was how it blew chunks of turd because Superman barely threw a punch and how the lack of action turned him into an uptight pussy.

Fans aren't a good barometer for basically anything. They don't know what they want. That's what I admire about MoS and Zack Snyder's approach to MoS. He said it numerous times that Superman creators always apologized for Superman being Superman for some reason and that he wasn't going to apologize for his interpretation. These are two Gods; Kryptonians.... now watch them FIGHT without the filter of humor and any attention to detail to take your eye off of the destruction it caused.

It was ALL right out there in front and I think that was as ballsy as it got. It frightened some people and I think that was Snyder's intention. Snyder got some flack, but finally somebody was not afraid to show what it would look like and he didn't hold back, something most Superman writers tend to do.

Besides, the destruction was no different than the insides of a Superman comic book or what was being showed in the animated series. I thought fans would be ready to see it without the crutch of humor. I was wrong but I'm glad we got it.

People forget that MoS is now the barometer for future films. It was always going to test the water of what went right and what went wrong and use that as motivation to make a better movie. Now that they have their backbone, they know what they need to work on as far as direction and execution and they already added Terrio to the crew to tighten up Goyers screenplay so there's no doubt in my mind they are going to eliminate their mistakes with MoS and focus on nothing but what made it work.

[verslibre]

MoS was not some type of revolutionary thing. It IS a great movie...but that is because it followed the Heroes Journey

Joseph Campbell is everywhere, like Elvis.

This is textbook storytelling that has been around for thousands of years. It is built into the human psyche to enjoy. That is all the writers did, follow the hero's journey.

How unoriginal, huh? It's like Dave Goyer called up George Mucus for tips.

As for the filming and such...I felt the space scenes were directly ripped from Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica, shaky camera and all. The "world generator" instantly reminded me of the drill in the Star Trek reboot.

It's hard to say whether the World Engine was a rip of the Narada's planet drill. Goyer conceptualized his take on Superman while taking a break from writing The Dark Knight Rises. Nolan liked it and pitched it to the suits in the first quarter of 2010, but since Goyer completed TDKR before that, and plotted Man of Steel before he finished that, it's hard to discern if the Romulan mining drill is the inspiration for the Kryptonian terraforming WE. That's old general sci-fi stuff, but Goyer might have gotten the idea for the WE from the Planet Shaper, another large-scale terraforming technology in the DC Universe that is not part of any Superman story AFAIK.

Yeah, it may be new to Superman, but it's not new to film.

Still better than STID bastardizing The Wrath of Khan. Oh, wait. That's what Singer did. He shamelessly recycled elements of 1978's Superman. No big deal, I guess. Except that it's lame. MoS reimagined familiar ground, yes, but changed it up enough so that it's very enjoyable.

I only have one other thing to add. After Singer, the guy who wanted to direct a new Superman film was none other than...

McG.

THAT McG.

I shudder when I think of the abomination that would've hurled itself into theaters had that music video hack been allowed to helm a Superman movie. Jeepers! Creepers!

[Monker]

Still didn't answer my question about jumping the shark because they simply aren't. Y

The very fact that it is BvS in itself could be said to be "Jumping the Shark". But, throw in Wonder Woman, Aquaman, and who knows who else, it is ABSOLUTELY jumping the shark by adding every superhero they can to get tickets sold.

You blow a lot of smoke, but there's no fire. It's premature to dismiss the film straight away because some other heroes will appear.

I'm not "dismissing" the film. I'm even saying it will be a success....jumping the shark means everything that FOLLOWS is downhill. Look, they are absolutely being gimmicky and throwing in the kitchen sink to sell BvS. THAT is jumping the shark. BvS is really turning into Justice League pt1.

More characters = running out of ideas? Horseshit, man. You're stepping in it.

No. Copying Avengers = running out of ideas. They could have taken a different route.

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Superhero movies saved Hollywood in many ways as far as Blockbusters are concerned

I totally disagree with that. The "Lord of the Rings" movies did this YEARS before.

The movie market is retabled annually. If a movie makes a wad one year, and nothing does the next year, then that year is called a dud. In recent years, superhero films have been responsible for a large amount of box office grosses. There's no disputing that.

I'm not disputing that. I am saying prior to LotR, there were hardly any huge epic movies that came out. LotR started the huge blockbuster trend again.

Superhero movies have been around forever. Batman has been around forever, "where does he get all those wonderful toys". Spiderman has been around forever. In fact, the success of Spiderman is probably what started this whole trend...and then Marvel with their epic plan to get to Avengers.

And, not all superhero movies did especially well...examples are in this very thread.

The only mega-flop of recent years has been Green Lantern, and that's because it took something like four months to make back its 200M budget.

Green Lantern was not as bad of a movie as you all make it out to be. Green Lantern is not Superman or Batman. To the layman, he is about as known as Hawkeye, since you like to pick on him.

I agree with James Cameron, ""I feel there are too many superhero movies right now," Cameron reasoned. "I think Hollywood's in a bit of a rut. They've done the good ones and they're starting to get down to the second and third tier of superheroes — the guys that would not be asked to speak at the annual superhero dinner."

Why are they making more Star Wars films? We just had one. It's called Star Trek Into Darkness. Why not Spaceballs 2?

I wish Mel Brooks was still around. What genre do you think he would mack?

They are making more Star Wars movies because the market isn't saturated with space opera like it was in the 1990's...with three Star Trek series on TV, Star War rereleases, then the Star Wars Prequels coming out later, and the animated Star Wars.

The simple fact is there are no huge space opera scifi franchises in the theaters. Star Trek is pretty much doomed to mediocrity now.

Besides, I'm more excited about the Farscape movie.

No, to copy Marvel would be to produce three more (Wonder Woman, Aquaman, Batman) solo films on top of MoS2, and then do Justice League, but they're not doing that.

No, they are just jumping right into copying Avengers...which you know is my point.

I think you may be wrong. These aren't second-tier characters like Black Widow and Hawkeye showing up to join the party.

Cyborg. And, despite what you may think, most laymen probably don't consider Wonder Woman a top tier franchise up to the Superman/Batman level.

These are DC's three most iconic, their three oldest major superheroes, that are coming to the screen for the first time. Two of them are already household names — and face it, Batman never goes out of style — and WW is right behind them. I estimate this next film will surpass MoS2 with its exposition and action. The Kryptonians have been dealt with, so now we can move on to different scenarios and new faces.

I'm not arguing how well it will sell...in fact, I'm saying this and Justice League will be the peak, and then it will slide downhill. You will have BvS, along with another Avengers, and a bunch of other Marvel movies, and then Justice League, I would expect another X-Men....and probably some unexpecteds thrown in. People are fickle and will get bored of it and move on. Hopefully, to the new Star Wars sequels...I forgot about those. In fact if SW Ep7 competes with BvS or Justice League...well, the outcome will be interesting.

[Monker]

MoS was not some type of revolutionary thing. It IS a great movie...but that is because it followed the Heroes Journey

Joseph Campbell is everywhere, like Elvis.

He just identified the existing patterns in myths and other lasting stories. Carl Jung identified the archetypes and said we have these patterns deep in our psyche because we constantly put them in our stories, and they are even in our dreams. Campbell spelled everything out even further.

The simple truth is when a story follows the Hero's Journey, it is tugging at our psyche in a primal way. We have no choice but to enjoy it. I have even read there are programs where a writer describes a novel and the program spits out specific page numbers where certain critical events should happen to keep the pace correct.

Writing these stories has become a science as much as it is a creative experience.

This is textbook storytelling that has been around for thousands of years. It is built into the human psyche to enjoy. That is all the writers did, follow the hero's journey.

How unoriginal, huh? It's like Dave Goyer called up George Mucus for tips.

No, not 'unoriginal', just good storytelling. I bet if you look at "Superman Returns" you will find they completely missed some of those important points. I skipped that one because it looked more like a love story than an action/adventure.

It's hard to say whether the World Engine was a rip of the Narada's planet drill.

I don't know about the "idea" of the world generator. But, the imagery they used seemed lifted right from Star Trek.

Still better than STID bastardizing The Wrath of Khan.

That was "eh" to me. I said all along that they should stay away from Khan. The reboot was successful...so keep the alternate timeline in a different universe with different stories. There was no reason to revisit the Khan storyline.

Oh, wait. That's what Singer did. He shamelessly recycled elements of 1978's Superman. No big deal, I guess. Except that it's lame. MoS reimagined familiar ground, yes, but changed it up enough so that it's very enjoyable.

Well, IMO, Superman Returns was not about a hero, but a Casanova story. But, I have never seen it, so I don't really know.

[verslibre]

I'm not "dismissing" the film. I'm even saying it will be a success....jumping the shark means everything that FOLLOWS is downhill. Look, they are absolutely being gimmicky and throwing in the kitchen sink to sell BvS. THAT is jumping the shark. BvS is really turning into Justice League pt1.

The film will be setting it up, yes. They're not denying that. And it's not the bad thing people are making it out to be. After the titular heroes, the characters that will garner the most screen time, in this order, are Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Cyborg. I don't expect much out of those last two, either. Flash may turn up, but if he does, he may just zip by.

As for everything post-BvS being downhill...that's one weighty presumption. I don't think that will be the case, especially with Justice League coming on its heels. The movie may trigger a lot of interest in the solo Wonder Woman film, too. Joss Whedon and others have bemoaned the lack of female characters getting their own films (at one point Joss was attached to a WW movie). Some people even speculate Marvel may fast-track another movie with a central heroine to compete with WW. The Batman won't start shooting till 2017, probably, but it's good that they're waiting to relaunch his franchise because he'll be a large part of Justice League, anyway.

More characters = running out of ideas? Horseshit, man. You're stepping in it.

No. Copying Avengers = running out of ideas. They could have taken a different route.

WB has been beating around the bush for years because they have a surplus of moneymakers in the stable. Because they're finally doing it doesn't mean they're copying, it just means Marvel beat them to it (and I've enjoyed most of what's come out since Iron Man, including Agents of SHIELD).

If you think the market is already over-saturated, wait till the Marvel Netflix series get here. Daredevil, Power Man, Iron Fist and Jessica Jones are all getting limited series which will culminate in their team series, The Defenders. (The funny part is that the Defenders usually consisted of characters like Valkyrie, Dr. Strange, Beast, Angel, Hulk, Moondragon, etc.) Lookin' forward to it!

The movie market is retabled annually. If a movie makes a wad one year, and nothing does the next year, then that year is called a dud. In recent years, superhero films have been responsible for a large amount of box office grosses. There's no disputing that.

I'm not disputing that. I am saying prior to LotR, there were hardly any huge epic movies that came out. LotR started the huge blockbuster trend again.

The first Spider-Man came out 4.5 months after the first LotR and ended up banking over 800M worldwide. The 2nd & 3rd films did even more. They just didn't come out three years in a row like LotR.

To say LotR restarted the huge blockbuster trend is inaccurate, anyway. I hate those movies, but the Star Bores prequels came out in 1999, 2002 and 2005 and the first one joined the Billion Dollar Club.

Green Lantern was not as bad of a movie as you all make it out to be. Green Lantern is not Superman or Batman. To the layman, he is about as known as Hawkeye, since you like to pick on him.

I don't "pick on" Green Lantern. GL is a great character. He was not done justice in his own film. It was a LOUSY script. They used a talking cloud villain right after we got one in the second FF movie with Galactus (another fuck-up because the director refused to use Galactus as created by Lee & Kirby). Blame Geoff Johns. He had a lot of input on the movie. It should have been tremendous. The entire third act is a big "WTF?" and Sinestro was wasted (and they cast the perfect actor, too).

I agree with James Cameron, ""I feel there are too many superhero movies right now," Cameron reasoned. "I think Hollywood's in a bit of a rut. They've done the good ones and they're starting to get down to the second and third tier of superheroes — the guys that would not be asked to speak at the annual superhero dinner."

Cameron should talk after that patchwork quilt he called Avatar that all the dumbshits ate up like cotton candy. See, Cameron is not a great writer, he's a guy that got lucky. He borrows ideas and stitches them together. That's why Harlan Ellison went after his ass for Terminator. If all the characters that have already made it to the screen are all the good ones, it just proves too easily he doesn't know what he's talking about and should STFU. He's just pissed somebody else is out there stealing his thunder. Man up, Jimmy. You made your money.

Besides, I'm more excited about the Farscape movie.

What, Guardians of the Galaxy doesn't float your boat? Marvel or not, that qualifies as space opera!

I'm not arguing how well it will sell...in fact, I'm saying this and Justice League will be the peak, and then it will slide downhill. You will have BvS, along with another Avengers, and a bunch of other Marvel movies, and then Justice League, I would expect another X-Men....and probably some unexpecteds thrown in. People are fickle and will get bored of it and move on. Hopefully, to the new Star Wars sequels...I forgot about those. In fact if SW Ep7 competes with BvS or Justice League...well, the outcome will be interesting.

Star Wars: The Ancient Fear (or whatever they're going to call it) will compete with Avengers 2: Age of Ultron next year. Maybe Ep8 will compete with Justice League. Depends on the release dates. WB should not pull a Man of Steel and let their movies be bookended by other potential blockbusters. X-Men: Apocalypse and Captain America 3 will both come out in 2016. Doctor Strange has no release date yet.

The WB/DC schedule looks like this at the moment: Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (May 2016); Shazam (July 2016); Sandman (Christmas 2016); Justice League (May 2017); Wonder Woman (July 2017); Flash & Green Lantern aka The Brave &The Bold (Christmas 2017); Man of Steel 2 (May 2018); The Batman (2019).

[verslibre]

The simple truth is when a story follows the Hero's Journey, it is tugging at our psyche in a primal way. We have no choice but to enjoy it. I have even read there are programs where a writer describes a novel and the program spits out specific page numbers where certain critical events should happen to keep the pace correct.

No argument there.

How unoriginal, huh? It's like Dave Goyer called up George Mucus for tips.

No, not 'unoriginal', just good storytelling.

Sarcasm, dude.

I bet if you look at "Superman Returns" you will find they completely missed some of those important points. I skipped that one because it looked more like a love story than an action/adventure.

Returns is about rediscovery and picking up loose ends and not much else. But again, I must cite Peter David, who, in his column for the now-defunct Comics Buyers' Guide (one of the best zines ever), said the entire movie falls apart when you consider this: Superman abandoned Earth, and that is something contrary to what Superman is fundamentally about. He would never take an intergalactic field trip to view an asteroid belt that was once his home planet...because Earth IS his home planet!

I don't know about the "idea" of the world generator. But, the imagery they used seemed lifted right from Star Trek.

Not really. The Narada's drill was a long tendril that hung down and penetrated the planet's surface. It was not a terraforming device. The World Engine was a mechanism with two separate components (armed with defenses) that had to be in place at the poles to perform their functions in tandem.

Well, IMO, Superman Returns was not about a hero, but a Casanova story. But, I have never seen it, so I don't really know.

Don't bother, especially if you already like Man of Steel. Watch Brandon Routh in Scott & Miri Make a Porno and Scott Pilgrim vs. The World instead. The laughs those movies generate aren't the unintentional kind!

[RedWingFan]

No shit? Knocking down 1 building in Detroit is pretty damn special.

[verslibre]

No shit? Knocking down 1 building in Detroit is pretty damn special.

Need a coffee stirrer for that li'l pot o' shit?

[YoungJRNY]

Returns is about rediscovery and picking up loose ends and not much else. But again, I must cite Peter David, who, in his column for the now-defunct Comics Buyers' Guide (one of the best zines ever), said the entire movie falls apart when you consider this: Superman abandoned Earth, and that is something contrary to what Superman is fundamentally about. He would never take an intergalactic field trip to view an asteroid belt that was once his home planet...because Earth IS his home planet!

Good point! Man of Steel simply got the character better in one simple line than it took Superman Returns to do in 2+ hours. "KRYPTON HAD ITS CHANCE!" vs leaving Earth 5 years without any explanation at all, leaving everybody in the dust with a nice middle finger to planet Earth, only to return 5 years later and expect everyone to bow down. Superman Returns was so facking pathetic.

[YoungJRNY]

MoS was not some type of revolutionary thing. It IS a great movie...but that is because it followed the Heroes Journey, almost completely

Who said MoS was revolutionary? It clearly wasn't and that was never the intention with the character from the studio. First, you can't revolutionize something when it comes to an origin film, especially an origin from Superman himself, who is known to be tricky enough to begin with.

There are things the director and studio must obey first. MoS's entire purpose was to re-introduce Superman completely different than he has ever been done before while still being familiar enough to the point of honoring his own canon and mythology.

Again, it just proves that Superman has one of the most unique fan base's and characters because even though, as you claim, MoS wasn't revolutionary, people STILL can't get over how MoS was so completely different than what they were expecting from a Superman film. In many aspects of it all, that's what Snyder wanted to create.

As for the filming and such...I felt the space scenes were directly ripped from Star Trek and Battlestar Galactica, shaky camera and all. The "world generator" instantly reminded me of the drill in the Star Trek reboot.

I think that's exactly what Snyder was going for. Ripoffs happen in the form of any level of entertainment. It's nothing new. Superman, at the core, is a sci-fi character that needed to explore these tactics. It was nice seeing a Superman film be what it wanted to be without being "revolutionary." Honestly, not every fucking film is going to be revolutionary. If you make any film and expecting it to be revolutionary, then you might as well expect failure. What I loved about Snyder's approach was he knew exactly what he wanted to do with SUPERMAN. Because of that vision, MoS was the right kick starter to not only a new franchise, but to a new DCCinematic Universe.

Yeah, it may be new to Superman, but it's not new to film.

Yeah, it was a good story and well told...but what it wasn't is anything new or innovative for anything other than Superman.

EXACTLY! Ultimatley, that's ALL that matters and had ever mattered when it came to the point of Superman and MoS. THANK YOU.

[YoungJRNY]

Well, IMO, Superman Returns was not about a hero, but a Casanova story....

[verslibre]

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think it speaks volumes that out of this entire forum, the only two people excited about MOS and the DC film universe are Young and Verse. FactFinder can get more eyeballs posting a fake Obama is a Muslim email. Get off Snyder's rod already. Nobody cares.

[verslibre]

I think it speaks volumes that out of this entire forum, the only two people excited about MOS and the DC film universe are Young and Verse. FactFinder can get more eyeballs posting a fake Obama is a Muslim email. Get off Snyder's rod already. Nobody cares.

I think it speaks volumes that you think this forum is the Center of the Fucking Multiverse, when it isn't a kernel in a micron-sized turd that broke off a dingleberry formed by the shitpipe of the InterWebs.

There's tons of talk all over — just not here, if your "all-knowing" ass can fathom that.

(And if you didn't care, you wouldn't be commenting.)

[YoungJRNY]

I think it speaks volumes that out of this entire forum, the only two people excited about MOS and the DC film universe are Young and Verse. FactFinder can get more eyeballs posting a fake Obama is a Muslim email. Get off Snyder's rod already. Nobody cares.

The entire point of this forum or thread is to simply update what's going on with this movie no matter if the whopping 5 posters that still post here are interested or not. That said, most of the participants in this thread, including yourself, keep the forum going with topics and believe it or not, we've actually have had some good and interesting discussion's because of it. Don't care, don't post. I don't give a shit, I have forums that are LITERALLY 500 people deep daily talking about this movie. All I do is bring news here in case anyone is interested and I'll continue to do that.

Seriously, just the other day brought in over 100 users just from a rumor about Lex Luthors hair, lmao. Anything regarding rumor with BvS brings in massive traffic all over the web.

[YoungJRNY]

Still 2 years away, this is just a screenshot of another forum, which is always going hot by the minute with nonstop discussion. Atleast more active than if Journey included Tantra in their setlist nowadays

[YoungJRNY]

‘Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice’ heads to the Daily Planet

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think it speaks volumes that you think this forum is the Center of the Fucking Multiverse, when it isn't a kernel in a micron-sized turd that broke off a dingleberry formed by the shitpipe of the InterWebs.

There's tons of talk all over — just not here, if your "all-knowing" ass can fathom that.

(And if you didn't care, you wouldn't be commenting.)

Man, ur pretty touchy and insecure about MOS's popularity (or lack thereof). Contrary to what you say, I think MR and this forum is a good cross-section of the public at large. Various posts can still generate comments. Nobody chimes in here, cuz nobody really cares.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The entire point of this forum or thread is to simply update what's going on with this movie no matter if the whopping 5 posters that still post here are interested or not. That said, most of the participants in this thread, including yourself, keep the forum going with topics and believe it or not, we've actually have had some good and interesting discussion's because of it. Don't care, don't post. I don't give a shit, I have forums that are LITERALLY 500 people deep daily talking about this movie. All I do is bring news here in case anyone is interested and I'll continue to do that.

Seriously, just the other day brought in over 100 users just from a rumor about Lex Luthors hair, lmao. Anything regarding rumor with BvS brings in massive traffic all over the web.

Nobody gives a shit about this shit sucking movie. "Batman vs Superman vs Cyborg (who the fuck is cyborg?? lol)" is shaping up to be the Ishtar of superhero films, just a cosmic tragedy of errors. Goyer managed to kill off his own successful franchise with Blade 3 and is following his own self-destructive tendencies again. They might as well throw in a Shaquille O'Neal cameo reprising his acclaimed turn as the comic character, Steel.

[verslibre]

I think it speaks volumes that you think this forum is the Center of the Fucking Multiverse, when it isn't a kernel in a micron-sized turd that broke off a dingleberry formed by the shitpipe of the InterWebs.

There's tons of talk all over — just not here, if your "all-knowing" ass can fathom that.

(And if you didn't care, you wouldn't be commenting.)

Man, ur pretty touchy and insecure about MOS's popularity (or lack thereof). Contrary to what you say, I think MR and this forum is a good cross-section of the public at large. Various posts can still generate comments. Nobody chimes in here, cuz nobody really cares.

No, this place consists mostly of people who wish Journey restored to their Escape/Frontiers-era glory, so it's not a "good cross-section of the public at large." Haha! My remark above is just a statement of fact. I can glance at any one of your oh-so-friendly posts in the 0bama thread and get more than my RDA of "touchy and insecure."

Nobody gives a shit about this shit sucking movie. "Batman vs Superman vs Cyborg (who the fuck is cyborg?? lol)" is shaping up to be the Ishtar of superhero films, just a cosmic tragedy of errors. Goyer managed to kill off his own successful franchise with Blade 3 and is following his own self-destructive tendencies again. They might as well throw in a Shaquille O'Neal cameo reprising his acclaimed turn as the comic character, Steel.

For a guy who supposedly doesn't give a fuck, you're really going out of your way to diss this movie. Even digging up a pic of Shaq as Steel...wow, subtle.

[YoungJRNY]

The entire point of this forum or thread is to simply update what's going on with this movie no matter if the whopping 5 posters that still post here are interested or not. That said, most of the participants in this thread, including yourself, keep the forum going with topics and believe it or not, we've actually have had some good and interesting discussion's because of it. Don't care, don't post. I don't give a shit, I have forums that are LITERALLY 500 people deep daily talking about this movie. All I do is bring news here in case anyone is interested and I'll continue to do that.

Seriously, just the other day brought in over 100 users just from a rumor about Lex Luthors hair, lmao. Anything regarding rumor with BvS brings in massive traffic all over the web.

Nobody gives a shit about this shit sucking movie. "Batman vs Superman vs Cyborg (who the fuck is cyborg?? lol)" is shaping up to be the Ishtar of superhero films, just a cosmic tragedy of errors. Goyer managed to kill off his own successful franchise with Blade 3 and is following his own self-destructive tendencies again. They might as well throw in a Shaquille O'Neal cameo reprising his acclaimed turn as the comic character, Steel.

[The_Noble_Cause]

No, this place consists mostly of people who wish Journey restored to their Escape/Frontiers-era glory, so it's not a "good cross-section of the public at large." Haha!

Dismissive elitist view of MR members. Disagree with this entirely.

My remark above is just a statement of fact. I can glance at any one of your oh-so-friendly posts in the 0bama thread and get more than my RDA of "touchy and insecure."

Is that how your binary mind works? If I am against lowering marginal tax rates (which r already low) and if I’m against droning American citizens and invading foreign countries, then I somehow must be FOR Obama? How does it feel to be a pawn of the Pepsi vs. Coke two party American political system? Your corporate zombie overlords must be very proud.

For a guy who supposedly doesn't give a fuck, you're really going out of your way to diss this movie. Even digging up a pic of Shaq as Steel...wow, subtle.

Yea man. Cuz a ONE second google image search takes sooo damn long, rite? Here’s another one. It’s an exclusive MR sneak peek at "Cyborg" in the new steaming shitpile “Batman and Superman go wax and wash the Batmobile” coming soon to a second run dollar theater near you.

[verslibre]

My remark above is just a statement of fact. I can glance at any one of your oh-so-friendly posts in the 0bama thread and get more than my RDA of "touchy and insecure."

Is that how your binary mind works? If I am against lowering marginal tax rates (which r already low) and if I’m against droning American citizens and invading foreign countries, then I somehow must be FOR Obama? How does it feel to be a pawn of the Pepsi vs. Coke two party American political system? Your corporate zombie overlords must be very proud.

That's not what I was implying at all. Your views are one thing. How you choose to express them (most often paired with below-the-belt cutdowns) is what I was meant. It's fair to assume you knew that before you wrote the above paragraph.

Again, if you think this movie is going to amount to nothing less than a coprolith, why go out of your way to keep saying so? You already said we're the only ones here who give a shit about this movie, so there's nobody left to inform.

This pretty much sums up my reaction to 99.7% of your posts:

[The_Noble_Cause]

Horrible comparison. Tim Burton's Batman was unlike anything done in Hollywood at that time. Zack Snyder has a proven track record of sucking ass.

[verslibre]

Horrible comparison. Tim Burton's Batman was unlike anything done in Hollywood at that time. Zack Snyder has a proven track record of sucking ass.

Bill Blazejowski wasn't in Tim Burton's Batman.

[verslibre]

Horrible comparison. Tim Burton's Batman was unlike anything done in Hollywood at that time. Zack Snyder has a proven track record of sucking ass.

Don't worry, Tim Burton's made a few suckass movies, himself. In fact, he's sucked for some time now.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm as much of a Tim Burton fan as I am of Obamadingdong. So keep grasping at straws. The real issue is the trainwreck currently being filmed by Snyder and Co. Aquaman is pissed because the world engine disturbed all the carp and the salmon in the ocean? This sounds like Z-level garbage. No wonder Christopher Nolan bailed.

[verslibre]

I'm as much of a Tim Burton fan as I am of Obamadingdong. So keep grasping at straws. The real issue is the trainwreck currently being filmed by Snyder and Co. Aquaman is pissed because the world engine disturbed all the carp and the salmon in the ocean? This sounds like Z-level garbage. No wonder Christopher Nolan bailed.

Are you a shill? What do you have to gain by repeating yourself? If the movie is at least as good as Man of Steel (read that however which way you like), it'll be a good movie.

And your homeboy Monker likes it, so it must be decent.

[YoungJRNY]

I'm as much of a Tim Burton fan as I am of Obamadingdong. So keep grasping at straws. The real issue is the trainwreck currently being filmed by Snyder and Co. Aquaman is pissed because the world engine disturbed all the carp and the salmon in the ocean? This sounds like Z-level garbage. No wonder Christopher Nolan bailed.

Cool story bro. So it's easy. Don't go see it and GTFO. Lawls. As for Nolan, he's the one that actually went to WB to perk their ears up to actually lift Man of Steel off the ground after Goyer notified him with his idea of Superman. You know that...right? And after Snyder pitched his last idea to kill of Zod, he gave him the greenlight to do it. You know that, right? Though Nolan is now beyond superhero movies within his realm of directing, Nolan's basically the reason why this garbage is happening and continuing to begin with.