Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[YoungJRNYfan]

The way you and V are acting, IMO, is that you see that there are some challenges in how this story is to be laid out but you absolutely refuse to admit it.

Wrong again. I don't care what the structure is or what challenges there are with the movie. I'll leave those hiddenitpicks for people like you. I'm waiting on the movie coming out and if it hits all the right strings for me personally, I really don't put much thought into talking myself out of it. I've said numerous upon numerous times that Man of Steel is a very flawed film, one you can easily point out and pick apart, but those fundamental issues never stopped me from loving the movie. I still love the movie and I'm glad it spawned into BvS. What I sound like, however, is annoyed by the fact that there's pages of long winded rants that says nothing beyond what needed to be said a page ago. It's common sense stuff but somehow, you make it uninteresting enough to where in a those words typed, the only thing that sticks out is a condensending and snobbish personality.

Not really...I find this stuff fascinating and therefore I can talk about it for a very, very, very long time.

Or as long as you're being fed judging by the fact this is a subject so full of common sense that finding new ways to say the same things over and over again in different ways is a skill to annoy, not debate.

[YoungJRNYfan]

The way you and V are acting, IMO, is that you see that there are some challenges in how this story is to be laid out but you absolutely refuse to admit it.

Wrong again. First off, this movie is not even out yet, so there's absolutely no telling how they are attacking this movie from a fundamental standpoint so stop acting like you know anything. I don't care what the structure is or what challenges there are with the movie. I'll leave those hiddenitpicks for people like you. I'm waiting on the movie coming out and if it hits all the right strings for me personally, I really don't put much thought into talking myself out of it. I've said numerous upon numerous times that Man of Steel is a very flawed film, one you can easily point out and pick apart, but those fundamental issues never stopped me from loving the movie. I still love the movie and I'm glad it spawned into BvS. What I sound like, however, is annoyed by the fact that there's pages of long winded rants that says nothing beyond what needed to be said a page ago. It's common sense stuff but somehow, you make it uninteresting enough to where in a those words typed, the only thing that sticks out is a condescending and snobbish personality.

Not really...I find this stuff fascinating and therefore I can talk about it for a very, very, very long time.

Or as long as you're being fed judging by the fact this is a subject so full of common sense that finding new ways to say the same things over and over again in different ways is a skill to annoy, not debate. The fact of the matter is, you're finding new ways to shit down this movie's throat. That's what you're doing and you're beating a dead horse over it.

[verslibre]

The way you and V are acting, IMO, is that you see that there are some challenges in how this story is to be laid out but you absolutely refuse to admit it.

Yes, don't forget to put that "IMO" in there. You may want to insert H somewhere in there, too. Also, it's not only your opinion, it's your assumption.

[verslibre]

What I am saying is you are acting as judge and jury over something that is really just your opinion. It would be like me saying MoS is guilty of copying scenes from Star Trek.

The difference being I'd never offer up something so absurd.

Now in the above quote, you are saying changes could have and should have been for the better. That again is your opinion.

Thanks for informing the membership.

Lucas did a lot more than you are giving him credit for.

There is no need to be defensive about Luca$. He's worth $4B+.

He brought back modern myth to story telling. He put world creation into cinema in a way that had never been done before. He brought Buck Rodgers type characters into the modern day and revitalized the science fiction genre, which was pretty stagnant at the time.

Yes, he gets credit for that. There is no need to be defensive about Luca$.

RotJ has ALWAYS been critiqued by fans for turning to a more childish theme. We had this dark and serious tone with Empire Strike Back...and then they give us Ewoks. But, in the whole, it was still a very good movie.

Au contraire, it's not aging well. There are massive problems with the story in that film, and it amuses me that you gloss right over that, seeing as you have a mission to dismantle a movie that doesn't arrive for three months.

I don't think the prequels were "godawful"...just very average and not too inspiring.

Bullshit. They stunk. Granted, the second two didn't reek as badly as The Phantom Porta-Potty, but they were pretty bad. I've never watched them again, and I've no desire to. The only good thing about that entire trilogy was Darth Maul. Fuckin' Masters of the Universe, which came out in '88, is around the same level of quality, minus the VFX.

The thing is, Lucas got lucky. Very, very lucky. And he got some help, too. The final theatrical cut is famously the result of an 11th hour edit. The previous cut was reportedly not that hot.

You make your own luck. He knew what he was doing and what he wanted by studying the writings of Joseph Campbell. That's the truth.

The truth is you just jerked the steering wheel. I'm not talking about the writing. I'm talking about his directing (which is not one of his strengths) and the famous final team edit that rendered it much more watchable. Go look it up.

I think *ANY* director has the potential to direct a very bad movie....and that movie can come at any time.

And that's your opinion.

The Hobbit trilogy drew some ire, but I've not seen it cut down like those horrid prequels. No way. Those prequels stunk and they deserved what they got. They still have umpteen supporters, because, you know, [BillMurray] "Staaaaar Waaaaars!" [/BillMurray]

I literally just read a conversation on a Facebook forum where someone said there was a possibility the Silmarillion may have some movies made from it. Someone replied saying that was a great...as long as someone else besides Peter Jackson directed it because of what he did to the Hobbit.

Like I said, the trilogy drew some ire. But not to the level of the SW prequels. Nowhere near it. Just because you saw somebody leave a comment doesn't change anything. It's not like Jackson didn't make major changes to the story in the first trilogy. (You know, along the lines of how you self-obligate to reference the difference between comics and film?)

That doesn't change what I think about the idea of a "super power" being a suit that shrinks you down to the size of an ant. "The incredible shrinking superhero". It just sounds so lame.

It does, but no more so than midichlorians.

Why do I have to keep reminding you that these films are not the comics? In these films, Iron Man is a sarcastic ass.

Like I have to keep reminding you it's the source of bad one-liners and Look at me! I'm so funny! moments that draw me out of the moment.

Seriously? In Civil War, they have to explain who the eff Black Panther is and why he's on Stark's side.

Yep...isn't he king of vibranium island? Seems to me that if I were Stark, I would want to get my hands on some of that to make a new suit. Seems to me that he can easily fit into the story.

It requires more effort than "Panth, let's be buddies!" "Okay, Tony! Have a couple pallet-loads of vibranium!" They're going to have to explain their sudden alliance much better than that. If they just slap each other on the ass in the name of capitalism, heroism itself is in jeopardy.

They also have to explain Spider-Man (finally) showing up in this film universe,

Maybe...it depends on how big his role is. It seems to me like he was a last minute addition so how involved he is is kind of a mystery. And, please, I don't need a write up on how he was a major player in the comic books.

Careful, your bullshit double standard is shining through like a 700-watt bulb. "It depends on how big his role is." Come on, that is a load. Spider-Man is now in the MCU, his subsequent films will be considered canon, and they have to explain that now OR in his next movie. So please, do us a favor and afford Wonder Woman and Batman the same amount of wiggle room. Thanks.

[Skipping over some stuff that's been beaten to death...]

Well, first, I think I said they MAY have enough time set up the Inhumans. I say that because Agent of SHIELD has really ramped up the inhumans plot line,

Which is why they're doing it there, and why it won't be in Civil War, because that thing's packed enough as it is.

Again, the movie promotes the series and the series promotes the movie...and inhumans take the place of x-men/mutants.

The Inhumans don't "take the place of" anybody, not the way you suggest and not the way they'll be written.

By the way, watch the tags. I keep having to fix them so this doesn't end up as one giant block.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Official BvS character posters:

[verslibre]

^Those are BADASS!

Is the trailer attacked to The Force Awakens?

[YoungJRNYfan]

^Those are BADASS!

Is the trailer attacked to The Force Awakens?

^Yessir.

[verslibre]

I figured. It didn't play before Creed.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Star Trek Beyond trailer attached to Star Wars: The Force Awakens

We’ve already heard that an X-Men: Apocalypse trailer will be attached to The Force Awakens, while the site reports that other 2016 tentpoles vying for trailer placements include Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice, The Huntsman Winter’s War and Independence Day: Resurgence, along with fellow Disney offerings The Jungle Book, Captain America: Civil War and Finding Dory.

http://www.flickeringmyth.com/2015/12/s ... akens.html

[verslibre]

I need to experience those new shots of Wondy on a big-frickin-ass screen.

[verslibre]

I was watching Fast & Furious the other night, the one before Fast Five. (Gal is in both movies but she's more front-and-center in the former.) I thought she did just fine in her supporting role as a drug lord's intermediary. She totally passes for a hot Latina, too, accent and all.

[YoungJRNYfan]

I need to experience those new shots of Wondy on a big-frickin-ass screen.

I need to experience it in my bedroom with lots and lots of tissues lol.

[verslibre]

I think there's a sale on Charmin this week.

[Monker]

^Those are BADASS!

Is the trailer attacked to The Force Awakens?

^Yessir.

[verslibre]

^Juicy!

What did you think of Childhood's End and The Expanse?

[YoungJRNYfan]

The inner nerd in me..bah gawd, we all might fight but I f^%$king love you nerds.

[verslibre]

Wait till they get the NEW posters up!

Were you walking in to see TFA? (Dumb question, I know! )

[YoungJRNYfan]

A brilliant piece of marketing for BvS released yesterday. A lot of nuggets and Easter Eggs thrown in to give us where the DCEU could be heading and a more challenged Luthor (note: he's not going to be the facade goofy personality behind closed doors. Eisenberg's Luthor is going to be greatly layered.)

LEXICAL ANALYSIS
Lex Luthor on disrupting the vigilante industrial complex
By Ron Troupe

http://www.wired.com/brandlab/2015/12/l ... l-complex/

[Monker]

^Juicy!

What did you think of Childhood's End and The Expanse?

I haven't read "Childhood's End", but I knew the synapses. I thought it was a very good series. It seemed a bit slow at times. That would be my only complaint. The second half seemed a bit better than the first. It touches on many thought provoking ideas that are relevant even today. Arthur C. Clark seems to like to do that, make people think.

I haven't watched the second half of "The Expanse". The first half left me with a mediocre feeling. I am tired of everything on SyFy being dark and dirty...and trying to emulate BSG. Having sex in zero gravity doesn't have the affect it would have 10yrs ago...again, it is easy "shock drama". I don't like the idea that there is one story line going on in space, and another on Earth. When this becomes a full series, I hope they follow one side or the other for the full episode. It is a series that has potential. It left me feeling about the same as "Defiance" did when I watched it's premier....a good idea, but it needs some work.

And, SW:TFA: I felt it hit all the right notes that the prequels completely missed. Yeah, there are a lot of familiar plot lines going on here. Sometimes it seemed like they were trying to remake "A New Hope" but correct the story in places. it was done in a way that it's forgivable. This movie is definitely going to be in theaters for months. It was the first movie the theater clapped at the end of since, "Fellowship of the Ring".

And, since I went to a matinee, all of the trailers were for animated Disney movies....no BvS or Civil War. The only ones from the iMax list were: Jungle Book (which looks really good) and Independence Day,

[verslibre]

The cover of Old Man Logan #1. Now where have I seen that before?

[YoungJRNYfan]

Chris Pine on the Wonder Woman film

“It’ll be a fucking blast. Patty’s got a tremendous sense of story, I couldn’t be happier to be supporting Gal in what’s going to be the first female-driven superhero film. I think in the world today we’ve had plenty enough of male-driven everything and it’s finally time to see how wonderful the world can be with beautiful, strong intelligent women kicking some major ass.”

[verslibre]

Chris Pine on the Wonder Woman film

“It’ll be a fucking blast. Patty’s got a tremendous sense of story, I couldn’t be happier to be supporting Gal in what’s going to be the first female-driven superhero film. I think in the world today we’ve had plenty enough of male-driven everything and it’s finally time to see how wonderful the world can be with beautiful, strong intelligent women kicking some major ass.”

Fucking awesome

[verslibre]

I haven't read "Childhood's End", but I knew the synapses. I thought it was a very good series. It seemed a bit slow at times. That would be my only complaint. The second half seemed a bit better than the first. It touches on many thought provoking ideas that are relevant even today. Arthur C. Clark seems to like to do that, make people think.

The novel takes place over a span of 150 (!) years. Also, Karellan did not reveal himself until after 50 (!!) years in the book. But I knew they couldn't do that in the miniseries. They essentially took the story's main talking points and constructed the narrative around them. The various man-woman relationships depicted (as with Stormgren) are not in the book. Also, Karellan came off a bit more sinister, which may or may not have been intentional. I don't think they properly conveyed the rationalization for the physical appearance of the Overlords that well, that being they visited Earth millennia earlier and departed because they knew they'd arrived too soon, hence spawning the classical visualization of a horned, winged devil. Overall, an interesting watch, though. What did piss me off is how many commercials they stuffed into the last night. For every minutes of show, it seemed there were five minutes of ads. That was fucked up.

I'd LOVE to see an adaptation of Rendezvous With Rama, but like Childhood's End, it's not exactly a book with a lot of action, and because of that, they'd no doubt artificially inject it with unnecessary drama.

I haven't watched the second half of "The Expanse". The first half left me with a mediocre feeling. I am tired of everything on SyFy being dark and dirty...and trying to emulate BSG. Having sex in zero gravity doesn't have the affect it would have 10yrs ago...again, it is easy "shock drama". I don't like the idea that there is one story line going on in space, and another on Earth. When this becomes a full series, I hope they follow one side or the other for the full episode. It is a series that has potential. It left me feeling about the same as "Defiance" did when I watched it's premier....a good idea, but it needs some work.

It has an Outland-meets-Blade Runner vibe. Not amazing, but cool to see something like that again. I'll continue to watch it. I'm more interested in TJ's detective arc on Ceres.

And, SW:TFA: I felt it hit all the right notes that the prequels completely missed. Yeah, there are a lot of familiar plot lines going on here. Sometimes it seemed like they were trying to remake "A New Hope" but correct the story in places. it was done in a way that it's forgivable. This movie is definitely going to be in theaters for months. It was the first movie the theater clapped at the end of since, "Fellowship of the Ring".

All the callbacks were expected, but there were too many. It's a beautiful-looking film. The VFX were ace. Tops. Everything looked great. But they played it way too safe with the story. There's enough new material to balance out the familiar beats, but only barely. I liked all the sequences on Jakku the best. And this movie might just have the best opening of any Star Wars movie, ever. But at least I give two shits about Star Wars again!

And, since I went to a matinee, all of the trailers were for animated Disney movies....no BvS or Civil War. The only ones from the iMax list were: Jungle Book (which looks really good) and Independence Day,

I got Civil War, ID:Resurgence and Warcraft (which looks really lame, unfortunately), but not Star Trek Beyond or BvS. Instead, there was Fantastic Beasts, Zootopia and Miracles from Heaven.

[YoungJRNYfan]

German TV Spot showed new footage. Staying away, but came across this gif of the spot:

[verslibre]

It's the top headline on Yahoo, but likewise, I am staying far away for now.

[verslibre]

Damn, the BvS articles are rolling out on Yahoo steadily. Every day I see a new headline. Tempting...but I ain't touchin' 'em!

[YoungJRNYfan]

Same here man. I'm even staying away from SHH for the most part. I go into the merchandise and Manips thread and that's it. After Star Wars dies down, BvS will heat up fast. Merchandise is hitting stores too.

Speaking of merchandise, got my BvS Hot Toys preordered. I'm a Supes collector, but I had to get Affleck's Batman as well. Too historic. Yeah!!

[YoungJRNYfan]

Zack Snyder= SOURCE MATERIAL (Dark Knight Returns):

[Monker]

After Star Wars dies down

I doubt it will die down until the beginning of summer, maybe. I mean, my God, it's at $1 billion in global sales already. I went to see it again, cuz I wanted to see both the 3d and 2d version, and matinees were still selling out and they had it starting every half hour all afternoon and evening. This could make $3-4 billion in global sales - easily by June.

[The_Noble_Cause]

After Star Wars dies down

I doubt it will die down until the beginning of summer, maybe. I mean, my God, it's at $1 billion in global sales already. I went to see it again, cuz I wanted to see both the 3d and 2d version, and matinees were still selling out and they had it starting every half hour all afternoon and evening. This could make $3-4 billion in global sales - easily by June.

When I finally saw Phantom Menace, there was maybe 5 people in the theater. I will be waiting for the crowds to die down for TFA also. According to friends, TFA is good, but JJ played it very very safe.