OFFICIAL NFL Week by Week Thread:

[YoungJRNY]

The deliberate take-out of Farve (yes, he went for his knees with intent to injure) in the NFC Championship game is a glaring example of this head-hunting mentality.

Still pulling for the Saints, though.

The Pats are the team of the decade no matter what, anyway.

What do the Pats being the team of the decade have anything to do with this topic? As good as the Pats were this decade, they haven't won the Super Bowl in 5 years and lost 1. They are clearly the decade's team, if the Colts win the big one, the Super Bowl winners since 2005 would be Steelers/Colts/Giants/Steelers/Colts. The Steelers and Colts would be highly regarded as honorable mentions.

[7 Wishes]

You're talking about a decade, 2000-2009. No one holds a candle to the Pats over that period.

[Michigan Girl]

Got a mouth full of peanut butter and sand until after the game... ^^^^^

How's it going?

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[YoungJRNY]

You're talking about a decade, 2000-2009. No one holds a candle to the Pats over that period.

Like I said, they are clearly the NFL's team of the decade, but other than the 2007 season which ended in a Super Bowl loss, they haven't been as dominant than their first 5 seasons and tapered off since the middle half of the decade. I wouldn't say it's not even close, since the Steelers have 2 Super Bowl's to The Pats 3, and who did the Pats have to beat to get to 2 Super Bowls? The Steelers, so it's not that big of a gap between those two teams, as well as the Colts since they were right there in N.E's run's in Championship games as well, but ultimately, the Pats prevail in the end, but it's close than what some might want to think.

[Ehwmatt]

You're talking about a decade, 2000-2009. No one holds a candle to the Pats over that period.

Like I said, they are clearly the NFL's team of the decade, but other than the 2007 season which ended in a Super Bowl loss, they haven't been as dominant than their first 5 seasons and tapered off since the middle half of the decade. I wouldn't say it's not even close, since the Steelers have 2 Super Bowl's to The Pats 3, and who did the Pats have to beat to get to 2 Super Bowls? The Steelers, so it's not that big of a gap between those two teams, as well as the Colts since they were right there in N.E's run's in Championship games as well, but ultimately, the Pats prevail in the end, but it's close than what some might want to think.

Spot on. You have to give the nod to the most championships, but things like consistency have to factor in as well.

[lights1961]

Peyton Manning set to sign one hell of a contract... and I think he is one of about 6 NFL guys worth the money. $50 million signing bonus... DAMN... and 20 million dollars a year.

Only a few days from the big game.

Get ready for an uncapped free agents craziness in a few weeks.



Rick

[YoungJRNY]

My heart just skipped around 9 beats just thinking someone is worth 20 million a year, and to think there are billionaires out there, just insane.. absolutely insane. Manning has certainly earned the right to be the highest paid player in the NFL, can't argue that.

[Ehwmatt]

My heart just skipped around 9 beats just thinking someone is worth 20 million a year, and to think there are billionaires out there, just insane.. absolutely insane. Manning has certainly earned the right to be the highest paid player in the NFL, can't argue that.

Really is nuts isn't it? If there's one athlete who deserves it, it's Peyton. 100% class and 100% skill. If the guy wins a couple more SBs in his career, he has to go down as the greatest QB ever.

[YoungJRNY]

My heart just skipped around 9 beats just thinking someone is worth 20 million a year, and to think there are billionaires out there, just insane.. absolutely insane. Manning has certainly earned the right to be the highest paid player in the NFL, can't argue that.

Really is nuts isn't it? If there's one athlete who deserves it, it's Peyton. 100% class and 100% skill. If the guy wins a couple more SBs in his career, he has to go down as the greatest QB ever.

I was debating this on my facebook page and I have to agree. Peyton, right now is about 4-5 on my ALL TIME list, and winning this SB would catapult him into the best QB ever and #1 on my list, and a definite top 2. The dude is a flat out technician at his position.

[Ehwmatt]

My heart just skipped around 9 beats just thinking someone is worth 20 million a year, and to think there are billionaires out there, just insane.. absolutely insane. Manning has certainly earned the right to be the highest paid player in the NFL, can't argue that.

Really is nuts isn't it? If there's one athlete who deserves it, it's Peyton. 100% class and 100% skill. If the guy wins a couple more SBs in his career, he has to go down as the greatest QB ever.

I was debating this on my facebook page and I have to agree. Peyton, right now is about 4-5 on my ALL TIME list, and winning this SB would catapult him into the best QB ever and #1 on my list, and a definite top 2. The dude is a flat out technician at his position.

If he wins 2 more before he's done, I don't see how there's any debate...

[S2M]

My heart just skipped around 9 beats just thinking someone is worth 20 million a year, and to think there are billionaires out there, just insane.. absolutely insane. Manning has certainly earned the right to be the highest paid player in the NFL, can't argue that.

Really is nuts isn't it? If there's one athlete who deserves it, it's Peyton. 100% class and 100% skill. If the guy wins a couple more SBs in his career, he has to go down as the greatest QB ever.

I was debating this on my facebook page and I have to agree. Peyton, right now is about 4-5 on my ALL TIME list, and winning this SB would catapult him into the best QB ever and #1 on my list, and a definite top 2. The dude is a flat out technician at his position.

Doesn't mean shit if you ain't got the hardware.....Peyton can thank Reche Caldwell for hardware #1.

[YoungJRNY]

My heart just skipped around 9 beats just thinking someone is worth 20 million a year, and to think there are billionaires out there, just insane.. absolutely insane. Manning has certainly earned the right to be the highest paid player in the NFL, can't argue that.

Really is nuts isn't it? If there's one athlete who deserves it, it's Peyton. 100% class and 100% skill. If the guy wins a couple more SBs in his career, he has to go down as the greatest QB ever.

I was debating this on my facebook page and I have to agree. Peyton, right now is about 4-5 on my ALL TIME list, and winning this SB would catapult him into the best QB ever and #1 on my list, and a definite top 2. The dude is a flat out technician at his position.

Doesn't mean shit if you ain't got the hardware.....Peyton can thank Reche Caldwell for hardware #1.

Noone told Dan Marino or Jim Kelly that, those who hold a significant place in the Football H.O.F. Manning has one, but two would solidify his position and he shows no signs of stopping.

[S2M]

My heart just skipped around 9 beats just thinking someone is worth 20 million a year, and to think there are billionaires out there, just insane.. absolutely insane. Manning has certainly earned the right to be the highest paid player in the NFL, can't argue that.

Really is nuts isn't it? If there's one athlete who deserves it, it's Peyton. 100% class and 100% skill. If the guy wins a couple more SBs in his career, he has to go down as the greatest QB ever.

I was debating this on my facebook page and I have to agree. Peyton, right now is about 4-5 on my ALL TIME list, and winning this SB would catapult him into the best QB ever and #1 on my list, and a definite top 2. The dude is a flat out technician at his position.

Doesn't mean shit if you ain't got the hardware.....Peyton can thank Reche Caldwell for hardware #1.

Noone told Dan Marino or Jim Kelly that, those who hold a significant place in the Football H.O.F. Manning has one, but two would solidify his position and he shows no signs of stopping.

Jim Kelly? Mr. 0-4 IN A ROW! Dude shouldn't even be in the top 25 QBs of all time....

[YoungJRNY]

My heart just skipped around 9 beats just thinking someone is worth 20 million a year, and to think there are billionaires out there, just insane.. absolutely insane. Manning has certainly earned the right to be the highest paid player in the NFL, can't argue that.

Really is nuts isn't it? If there's one athlete who deserves it, it's Peyton. 100% class and 100% skill. If the guy wins a couple more SBs in his career, he has to go down as the greatest QB ever.

I was debating this on my facebook page and I have to agree. Peyton, right now is about 4-5 on my ALL TIME list, and winning this SB would catapult him into the best QB ever and #1 on my list, and a definite top 2. The dude is a flat out technician at his position.

Doesn't mean shit if you ain't got the hardware.....Peyton can thank Reche Caldwell for hardware #1.

Noone told Dan Marino or Jim Kelly that, those who hold a significant place in the Football H.O.F. Manning has one, but two would solidify his position and he shows no signs of stopping.

Jim Kelly? Mr. 0-4 IN A ROW! Dude shouldn't even be in the top 25 QBs of all time....

Championships are a measure of a team’s greatness, not necessarily an individual's. Winning a championship is a team accomplishment and one player, not matter how great, cannot do it by himself. Nothing can be measured by championships when talking an accomplishment on a list such as quarterbacks. Championships can decide a factor, but Jim Kelly or a Marino has their place without any rings. Franco Harris has 4 rings to Walter Payton's 1 ring and Payton cripples Harris in every attribute as a running back over Harris.

[7 Wishes]

If Brady winds up with 4 and Manning has just 1 (doubtful), I would still consider Peyton - slightly better skill-wise than Brady. But don't forget Brady won three titles without even a good wideout or a decent running back.

[YoungJRNY]

If Brady winds up with 4 and Manning has just 1 (doubtful), I would still consider Peyton - slightly better skill-wise than Brady. But don't forget Brady won three titles without even a good wideout or a decent running back.

Brady is easily top 5 when it's all said and done, but I always ranked Manning WAY ahead of Brady on the QB spectrum. Manning is a more all around player than Brady and stomps him on the skill level, esp of taking a team on his back and being an upright student in the film room, Manning squashes anyone IMO.

I always hated that argument that Brady won with less talent. Yes, Brady didn't have the names, but guys such as Givens and Patten certainly played at All-Pro levels in the Pats system and were major parts in the Championships. Brady has had one of the best receivers in the last decade and the most dominant catching slot receivers in the game the past few seasons in Moss and Welker, and they couldn't produce a championship, so that's all smoke and mirrors.

[lights1961]

If Brady winds up with 4 and Manning has just 1 (doubtful), I would still consider Peyton - slightly better skill-wise than Brady. But don't forget Brady won three titles without even a good wideout or a decent running back.

Brady is easily top 5 when it's all said and done, but I always ranked Manning WAY ahead of Brady on the QB spectrum. Manning is a more all around player than Brady and stomps him on the skill level, esp of taking a team on his back and being an upright student in the film room, Manning squashes anyone IMO.

I always hated that argument that Brady won with less talent. Yes, Brady didn't have the names, but guys such as Givens and Patten certainly played at All-Pro levels in the Pats system and were major parts in the Championships. Brady has had one of the best receivers in the last decade and the most dominant catching slot receivers in the game the past few seasons in Moss and Welker, and they couldn't produce a championship, so that's all smoke and mirrors.

BRADY only is in top 5 because Charles Woodson was robbed on that snowy night in Foxboro all those years ago with a new tuck rule that was put in place at the moment... the ruling on the field should have stood.... and I dont think the Pats go on the run as they did... that call was such a GAME CHANGER... and a career changer... WOW... just call me a bitter Raider fan that night...and I really dont know why, except that I did not want the Pats to win that game...

[lights1961]

my 5 all time QB of modern football last 25.. .Bernie Kosier played on AWFUL brown teams and was a tough dude... Simms was also a tough dude played hurt alot... and won a super bowl...Favre what can you say about him... played in 309 games in a row... 3 Aikman just new how to win... and ELWAY, Montana and now Manning those 3 just above and beyond anyone else in this era.




Rick

[Ehwmatt]

my 5 all time QB of modern football last 25.. .Bernie Kosier played on AWFUL brown teams and was a tough dude... Simms was also a tough dude played hurt alot... and won a super bowl...Favre what can you say about him... played in 309 games in a row... 3 Aikman just new how to win... and ELWAY, Montana and now Manning those 3 just above and beyond anyone else in this era.




Rick

Bernie's teams weren't awful during his best years, but his O line sure was. He was a great player and IS a great guy. He's got some serious drinking problems though on top of his well-publicized financial issues. I really feel for him.

[lights1961]

my 5 all time QB of modern football last 25.. .Bernie Kosier played on AWFUL brown teams and was a tough dude... Simms was also a tough dude played hurt alot... and won a super bowl...Favre what can you say about him... played in 309 games in a row... 3 Aikman just new how to win... and ELWAY, Montana and now Manning those 3 just above and beyond anyone else in this era.




Rick

Bernie's teams weren't awful during his best years, but his O line sure was. He was a great player and IS a great guy. He's got some serious drinking problems though on top of his well-publicized financial issues. I really feel for him.

I have heard that about him in recent years... I think sadly thats what happens to a few of the guys who played in the 70s and 80s before the HUGE money got in the league... and do the players of today care about all that TODAY, about the PAST in the league... I think as a whole no...

[Ehwmatt]

my 5 all time QB of modern football last 25.. .Bernie Kosier played on AWFUL brown teams and was a tough dude... Simms was also a tough dude played hurt alot... and won a super bowl...Favre what can you say about him... played in 309 games in a row... 3 Aikman just new how to win... and ELWAY, Montana and now Manning those 3 just above and beyond anyone else in this era.




Rick

Bernie's teams weren't awful during his best years, but his O line sure was. He was a great player and IS a great guy. He's got some serious drinking problems though on top of his well-publicized financial issues. I really feel for him.

I have heard that about him in recent years... I think sadly thats what happens to a few of the guys who played in the 70s and 80s before the HUGE money got in the league... and do the players of today care about all that TODAY, about the PAST in the league... I think as a whole no...

I mean the guy still made a TON of money in his career by any man's standards. He's way too good-natured and got taken advantage of by some scum in some bad business deals, investments, and even some straight-up six-figure "loans" to so-called friends. He's largely to blame for his own financial issues, but this isn't a guy who blew it all on hookers, drugs, and exotic pets. He really got taken advantage of.

[San Diego Gary]

my 5 all time QB of modern football last 25.. .Bernie Kosier played on AWFUL brown teams and was a tough dude... Simms was also a tough dude played hurt alot... and won a super bowl...Favre what can you say about him... played in 309 games in a row... 3 Aikman just new how to win... and ELWAY, Montana and now Manning those 3 just above and beyond anyone else in this era.




Rick

Bernie's teams weren't awful during his best years, but his O line sure was. He was a great player and IS a great guy. He's got some serious drinking problems though on top of his well-publicized financial issues. I really feel for him.

I have heard that about him in recent years... I think sadly thats what happens to a few of the guys who played in the 70s and 80s before the HUGE money got in the league... and do the players of today care about all that TODAY, about the PAST in the league... I think as a whole no...

Ryan Leaf's signing bonus was more than Dan Fouts (speaking of tough) made in his entire career.

[YoungJRNY]

My top 5 are:

1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Marino
4. Bradshaw
5. Elway
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Manning (Win this SB and he catapults), Namath, Aikman, Young, Staubach, Favre, Starr and eventually Brady all have their place as well depending on taste.

[lights1961]

My top 5 are:

1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Marino
4. Bradshaw
5. Elway
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Manning (Win this SB and he catapults), Namath, Aikman, Young, Staubach, Favre, Starr and eventually Brady all have their place as well depending on taste.

only thing is its hard to put Unitas and Bradshaw in same catagory.. they played in totaly different eras...

[Ehwmatt]

My top 5 are:

1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Marino
4. Bradshaw
5. Elway
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Manning (Win this SB and he catapults), Namath, Aikman, Young, Staubach, Favre, Starr and eventually Brady all have their place as well depending on taste.

only thing is its hard to put Unitas and Bradshaw in same catagory.. they played in totaly different eras...

Well sure, that'll go for any list... btw, doesn't Bradshaw look a little like mid-50s Robert Duvall in this pic?

[YoungJRNY]

My top 5 are:

1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Marino
4. Bradshaw
5. Elway
------------
Manning (Win this SB and he catapults), Namath, Aikman, Young, Staubach, Favre, Starr and eventually Brady all have their place as well depending on taste.

only thing is its hard to put Unitas and Bradshaw in same catagory.. they played in totaly different eras...

Era's play a big part in anything and shouldn't be considered in some ways people view it. Yes, era's will jumble things up, but guys like Unitas and Namath earned their spots, and it should be no different than what the guys like Manning are doing today. Is it a factor? Of course, but they earned their placement regardless.

[S2M]

My top 5 are:

1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Marino
4. Bradshaw
5. Elway
------------
Manning (Win this SB and he catapults), Namath, Aikman, Young, Staubach, Favre, Starr and eventually Brady all have their place as well depending on taste.

only thing is its hard to put Unitas and Bradshaw in same catagory.. they played in totaly different eras...

Era's play a big part in anything and shouldn't be considered in some ways people view it. Yes, era's will jumble things up, but guys like Unitas and Namath earned their spots, and it should be no different than what the guys like Manning are doing today. Is it a factor? Of course, but they earned their placement regardless.

If you add Namath and Bradshaw, you must add Dilfer. Bradshaw suffered from a lights out DEFENSE. Just like Brady did. Don't think I'm gonna back the local guy. Brady's good, but he had a great DEFENSE behind him. Also, Give credit to Vinatieri - his foot won all 3 games.

Bradshaw and Dilfer are cut from the same cloth - just along for the ride.


Bradshaw has 2 more TDs than INTs - 212-210, with a career QB rating of 70.9.....EXTREMELY mediocre.

Dilfer had 16 more INTs than TDs - 113-129, with a measely career QB rating of 70.2


Both of them were hacks. Terry was just a luckier hack.....

[7 Wishes]

Tom Brady has NO star talent surrounding him on offense for all three Super Bowl titles. Don't tell me he didn't carry the Pats on his back.

His winning percentage is third all time...right behind Manning and Elway. His career passer rating is Top 5. He has a better TD-to-INT ratio than all but two others who ever played his position. He won three Super Bowls and should have won a fourth. Sorry, but he is Top 5 all time already.

[lights1961]

My top 5 are:

1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Marino
4. Bradshaw
5. Elway
------------
Manning (Win this SB and he catapults), Namath, Aikman, Young, Staubach, Favre, Starr and eventually Brady all have their place as well depending on taste.

only thing is its hard to put Unitas and Bradshaw in same catagory.. they played in totaly different eras...

Era's play a big part in anything and shouldn't be considered in some ways people view it. Yes, era's will jumble things up, but guys like Unitas and Namath earned their spots, and it should be no different than what the guys like Manning are doing today. Is it a factor? Of course, but they earned their placement regardless.

If you add Namath and Bradshaw, you must add Dilfer. Bradshaw suffered from a lights out DEFENSE. Just like Brady did. Don't think I'm gonna back the local guy. Brady's good, but he had a great DEFENSE behind him. Also, Give credit to Vinatieri - his foot won all 3 games.

Bradshaw and Dilfer are cut from the same cloth - just along for the ride.


Bradshaw has 2 more TDs than INTs - 212-210, with a career QB rating of 70.9.....EXTREMELY mediocre.

Dilfer had 16 more INTs than TDs - 113-129, with a measely career QB rating of 70.2


Both of them were hacks. Terry was just a luckier hack.....

Bradshaw had the emaculate reception... that will go down as the one NFL play that everyone will remember... that and the tuck rule that Brady got... what was more lucky???
Damn and I forgot about Starr... all he did was win championships from the greatest dynesty ever...
he wasnt the best QB ever... but played with dicipline and learned from the MASTER VINCE...
he also won a few championships...

[YoungJRNY]

My top 5 are:

1. Montana
2. Unitas
3. Marino
4. Bradshaw
5. Elway
------------
Manning (Win this SB and he catapults), Namath, Aikman, Young, Staubach, Favre, Starr and eventually Brady all have their place as well depending on taste.

only thing is its hard to put Unitas and Bradshaw in same catagory.. they played in totaly different eras...

Era's play a big part in anything and shouldn't be considered in some ways people view it. Yes, era's will jumble things up, but guys like Unitas and Namath earned their spots, and it should be no different than what the guys like Manning are doing today. Is it a factor? Of course, but they earned their placement regardless.

If you add Namath and Bradshaw, you must add Dilfer. Bradshaw suffered from a lights out DEFENSE. Just like Brady did. Don't think I'm gonna back the local guy. Brady's good, but he had a great DEFENSE behind him. Also, Give credit to Vinatieri - his foot won all 3 games.

Bradshaw and Dilfer are cut from the same cloth - just along for the ride.


Bradshaw has 2 more TDs than INTs - 212-210, with a career QB rating of 70.9.....EXTREMELY mediocre.

Dilfer had 16 more INTs than TDs - 113-129, with a measely career QB rating of 70.2


Both of them were hacks. Terry was just a luckier hack.....

First off, to put Dilfer in the same sentence as Namath and Bradshaw is a sin.

Second, to call Terry Bradshaw a lucky hack is mind boggling. The Steelers pretty much ran the same staple as they did in the 90's era with Cowher. Run the ball, run the ball, be aggressive, and run the damn ball. Bradshaw made a lot of things happen, and when it came down to it, he was a gritty son of a bitch who would lower the boom when needed, and he threw a deadly accurate ball and had a beautiful deep pass. He put up the numbers he needed, in a HEAVY run oriented offense. For Bradshaw to put up the numbers he did then in that kind of system is spectacular. Again, looking at the H.O.F as a number thing is a MISTAKE and is NOT the way it works. Also, that is an era to where the defense was allowed to maul you, even after the 5 yard range, to where receivers were limited when targeted down field.

As for Brady, although he had solid defense's, the staple to that team was the offense, period. I always said Brady piled up all of his yardage more-so on relying on throwing the dump off and his receivers pounding out the major yards after the catch. In every game that I've watched, Brady and the Pats used that to perfection and most of Brady's yardage are dump offs within 3-5 yards at the line of scrimmage.