Kevin Chalfant

[Jana]

I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry.

He should have said no. Besides, when he was on his own and 45 years old he tried the same shit on the FTLOSM tour. Please explain why he played on Novenmber 14, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th in 1994. I suppose that's Jon Cain's fault. After all, he did try to get into one of the shows and talk to Perry but was refused. I bet Jon wanted to tell him he wasn't playing enough dates in a row.

That's a classic line.

No that in red is classic for if I were SP I would not have let him in either - he had already done enough damage.

Done what damage? Jonathan Cain came into the band years after Perry joined and Perry had more say in the band. What damage could Jon have possibly done to Perry b/f the '94 FTLOSM tour?

[Author2]

Excuses, excuses! Do you have anything concrete to support your theories?

Yeah, common sense.

Forgive my saying, but these don't sound like words of a sensible person: "Personally, I don't give a shit. If it took me swallowing sand and shitting glass to see him perform with Journey again I'd be a beach eating motherfucker." Saint John 9/19/2009

Journey had choices and it seems they chose the one to be most lucrative.

I think that should should say "the one they thought to be most lucrative." because the TBF tour netted them exactly $0.

It would have been more lucrative if they had not tried to force Steve Perry into surgery then "hook him up to a plow like mule."

I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry.

He should have said no. Besides, when he was on his own and 45 years old he tried the same shit on the FTLOSM tour. Please explain why he played on Novenmber 14, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th in 1994. I suppose that's Jon Cain's fault. After all, he did try to get into one of the shows and talk to Perry but was refused. I bet Jon wanted to tell him he wasn't playing enough dates in a row.

You mean the same "no" that Journey should have used? And, I thought we went through this - Perry could have done those shows all day long - sing a little, talk, dance.... Not like playing a stadium for you've posted yourself that they were much, much smaller crowds, huh? Was Jon Cain going so he could inflict more damage?

Perry toured from 78-87 and more than proved himself. .

He proved that every few years that his voice changed from not taking care of it. I'm glad it changed up until Frontiers. After that, he was on fumes ... and "vitamin B."

Perry took care of his voice, but then you can't really do it so well with your mouth open singing all the time, huh? Won't get into that other, but look above to your quoted 9/09 post.

You make excuses for Arnel's less than professional attitude concerning their garden appearance at the Superbowl then you turn around and blame Steve Perry for every earthquake.

Arnel got sick. Period. Besides, he's got at least 10 times the miles that Perry's voice had when it fell apart and he's still going strong. Perry never took proper care of his voice. Never

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Sick? Is that why Journey stifled him with contract no three shows in a row? Journey has shut down in AP's second year. Don't think 10 times imaginary miles in nightclubs or here and there nearly compare to traveling and performing constantly to hugh crowds for over 600 shows.

Gotta go!

[YoungJRNY]

I can't think of one singer they've fucked over. Not one. Maybe Chalfant.

Well if you can't "think" of at least two, no sense in debating you here. Unbelievable.

"Neal and Co" are just too good to be true. Alarming how anyone could even think they would do someone wrong. LOL Great Guys.

I'm not saying they're great guys. I said that they never fucked over a lead singer. Perry ... hmm ... waited for him to "untoast" and were rewarded with him touring with others. Then they nixed a lineup that was ready to go and he bailed on them. That eliminates Perry.

Augeri ... dude was out of gas as early as 2002 and they hung on to the guy till he literally couldn't sing anymore. Tapegate and not singing live put an end to his tenure about 4 years later than it should have ... netting him a few more million in the process. He retired from Journey without a peep. And don't go tooting your own horn because no one in the general fucking public has any idea about what went down.

Soto ... dude was pulled in for emergency duty. A career minor leaguer, he got to play in the big leagues for a few months, but his inability to put his best foot forward and take the job seriously cost him dearly. I bet if he could do it all over again he would have kept his mouth shut and concentrated more on being a singer and not acting like he was in Motley Crue.

Again, I see no singers getting fucked over.

I agree with this. I never really thought that Neal and CO. screwed over anybody in all of this. Like you said, Augeri was having MAJOR problems as early as 2002, was putting on so-so shows nightly that would only get worse, steady off, have a good night, then get worse again, tapegate, and they STILL kept him around. They even kept him around in 2006 during the DL tour until JSS was flown out for emergency.

Journey didn't have a lead singer at the time and announced JSS as their lead singer hot on tour, only to realize he wasn't a good fit at all, is an alto singer and his personality was NOT what the band was looking for and they knew they had made a mistake, thus hacking him. (Steve Toomey confirmed this.) As far as Chalfant, again, I agree. He could of & WOULD of very well been the guy for Journey but politcs followed and Perry was without a shadow of a doubt responsible for leading on he was on board for TBF only to no tour, eventually paving the way to the Augeri hire in '98. I don't think Neal or anyone else for that matter screwed anybody. It's a business.. a rock business. Shit happens.

[Jeremey]

I'm just curious, and I ask this not wearing my Frontiers hat, but wearing my Journey fan hat....For everyone that says Journey made a huge mistake passing on Kevin Chalfant, and that he should have been the one to carry on the Journey hat.......Do you feel that Chalfant would have been different than Augeri in that his voice WOULD have held out, and that the band would not have eventually had struggles with him as they did with Augeri? I am just curious...discuss!

[Michigan Girl]

I'm just curious, and I ask this not wearing my Frontiers hat, but wearing my Journey fan hat....For everyone that says Journey made a huge mistake passing on Kevin Chalfant, and that he should have been the one to carry on the Journey hat.......Do you feel that Chalfant would have been different than Augeri in that his voice WOULD have held out, and that the band would not have eventually had struggles with him as they did with Augeri? I am just curious...discuss!

NO and none of them will w/the kind of touring they did then!!

[Ehwmatt]

I'm just curious, and I ask this not wearing my Frontiers hat, but wearing my Journey fan hat....For everyone that says Journey made a huge mistake passing on Kevin Chalfant, and that he should have been the one to carry on the Journey hat.......Do you feel that Chalfant would have been different than Augeri in that his voice WOULD have held out, and that the band would not have eventually had struggles with him as they did with Augeri? I am just curious...discuss!

I think Chalfant could have helped them carve out a newer, fresher sound... sorta like Soto could have, but with far more fidelity to "THE" Journey sound.

[Red13JoePa]

I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry.

He should have said no. Besides, when he was on his own and 45 years old he tried the same shit on the FTLOSM tour. Please explain why he played on Novenmber 14, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th in 1994. I suppose that's Jon Cain's fault. After all, he did try to get into one of the shows and talk to Perry but was refused. I bet Jon wanted to tell him he wasn't playing enough dates in a row.

That's a classic line.

No that in red is classic for if I were SP I would not have let him in either - he had already done enough damage.

Done what damage? Jonathan Cain came into the band years after Perry joined and Perry had more say in the band. What damage could Jon have possibly done to Perry b/f the '94 FTLOSM tour?

Jana we'll never understand what supposed "damage" Cain has done to emotionally frail one.
I suppose it's because in BTM both he and Harvey Heat Tiles acknowledge that it was Cain who put the (HORRORS ) ultimatum to him.

So with that one fact Cain, like the former angel who turned into satan, became loondom enemy #1. In places we don't see (well, except for Yak probably), online dens of "Stephen" worship, Cain is obviously spoken of in terms usually reserved for osama bin laden. And every now and then up into the mainstream pops one of those jihadists providing us with a small window into what goes on in that world.

[Jana]

I'm just curious, and I ask this not wearing my Frontiers hat, but wearing my Journey fan hat....For everyone that says Journey made a huge mistake passing on Kevin Chalfant, and that he should have been the one to carry on the Journey hat.......Do you feel that Chalfant would have been different than Augeri in that his voice WOULD have held out, and that the band would not have eventually had struggles with him as they did with Augeri? I am just curious...discuss!

I think Chalfant could have helped them carve out a newer, fresher sound... sorta like Soto could have, but with far more fidelity to "THE" Journey sound.

Arrival was an evolved sound and one of my favorite albums with Journey. From all accounts, Augeri had trouble early on with his vocals and the catalogue touring, so Chalfant probably wouldn't have had that so early on b/c his voice fits more of the Journey catalogue naturally. But some of their best songs came from the Augeri tenure, so won't ever argue that decision and what if's.

[bluejeangirl76]

I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry.

He should have said no. Besides, when he was on his own and 45 years old he tried the same shit on the FTLOSM tour. Please explain why he played on Novenmber 14, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th in 1994. I suppose that's Jon Cain's fault. After all, he did try to get into one of the shows and talk to Perry but was refused. I bet Jon wanted to tell him he wasn't playing enough dates in a row.

That's a classic line.

No that in red is classic for if I were SP I would not have let him in either - he had already done enough damage.

Done what damage? Jonathan Cain came into the band years after Perry joined and Perry had more say in the band. What damage could Jon have possibly done to Perry b/f the '94 FTLOSM tour?

Jana we'll never understand what supposed "damage" Cain has done to emotionally frail one.
I suppose it's because in BTM both he and Harvey Heat Tiles acknowledge that it was Cain who put the (HORRORS ) ultimatum to him.

They're asking what damage Cain did before the '94 tour where Cain allegedly wasn't let into the building at Perry's command, not after the '98 phone call.

I don't know that I have the whole story on the Cain/1994 thing... he wasn't let in, but where did the idea that Perry said "no" come from? Was it Cain's assumption, or was that communicated by security at the building, and how do we know the security guy was passing along the right info? I'm just not sure I ever heard anything more than Cain saying "Waaahhhhh he wouldn't let me in, waaahhhh." Sounds like possible game of telephone, but I don't know.

p.s., redjoe - "Harvey Heat Tiles" - I about lost my coffee on that one.

[Ehwmatt]

I'm just curious, and I ask this not wearing my Frontiers hat, but wearing my Journey fan hat....For everyone that says Journey made a huge mistake passing on Kevin Chalfant, and that he should have been the one to carry on the Journey hat.......Do you feel that Chalfant would have been different than Augeri in that his voice WOULD have held out, and that the band would not have eventually had struggles with him as they did with Augeri? I am just curious...discuss!

I think Chalfant could have helped them carve out a newer, fresher sound... sorta like Soto could have, but with far more fidelity to "THE" Journey sound.

Arrival was an evolved sound and one of my favorite albums with Journey. From all accounts, Augeri had trouble early on with his vocals and the catalogue touring, so Chalfant probably wouldn't have had that so early on b/c his voice fits more of the Journey catalogue naturally. But some of their best songs came from the Augeri tenure, so won't ever argue that decision and what if's.

I think you know I'm a big Augeri fan and even bigger Arrival fan. It definitely was an evolved sound, no doubt. I definitely wasn't saying that Arrival was more of the same, because it's not.

I was just picturing what they could have come up with circa 1995, 1996 and also just imagining what their output would have been like over the mid 90s and early 00s had they first not had to wait in limbo for Perry and then had to deal with (1) breaking in a relatively green singer [whereas Chalfant was an experienced artist at this point] and (2) dealing with Augeri's struggles with his voice conditioning.

[Michigan Girl]

I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry.

He should have said no. Besides, when he was on his own and 45 years old he tried the same shit on the FTLOSM tour. Please explain why he played on Novenmber 14, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th in 1994. I suppose that's Jon Cain's fault. After all, he did try to get into one of the shows and talk to Perry but was refused. I bet Jon wanted to tell him he wasn't playing enough dates in a row.

That's a classic line.

No that in red is classic for if I were SP I would not have let him in either - he had already done enough damage.

By the way Jana, your question to Madsplash in SP Forum - "Why bring Arnel into this?" Do you have the answer to that question now?

lol!!
A contradiction of sorts ...always!! :wink:

[Jana]

I'm just curious, and I ask this not wearing my Frontiers hat, but wearing my Journey fan hat....For everyone that says Journey made a huge mistake passing on Kevin Chalfant, and that he should have been the one to carry on the Journey hat.......Do you feel that Chalfant would have been different than Augeri in that his voice WOULD have held out, and that the band would not have eventually had struggles with him as they did with Augeri? I am just curious...discuss!

I think Chalfant could have helped them carve out a newer, fresher sound... sorta like Soto could have, but with far more fidelity to "THE" Journey sound.

Arrival was an evolved sound and one of my favorite albums with Journey. From all accounts, Augeri had trouble early on with his vocals and the catalogue touring, so Chalfant probably wouldn't have had that so early on b/c his voice fits more of the Journey catalogue naturally. But some of their best songs came from the Augeri tenure, so won't ever argue that decision and what if's.

I think you know I'm a big Augeri fan and even bigger Arrival fan. It definitely was an evolved sound, no doubt. I definitely wasn't saying that Arrival was more of the same, because it's not.

I was just picturing what they could have come up with circa 1995, 1996 and also just imagining what their output would have been like over the mid 90s and early 00s had they first not had to wait in limbo for Perry and then had to deal with (1) breaking in a relatively green singer [whereas Chalfant was an experienced artist at this point] and (2) dealing with Augeri's struggles with his voice conditioning.

good points.

[Jana]

I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry.

He should have said no. Besides, when he was on his own and 45 years old he tried the same shit on the FTLOSM tour. Please explain why he played on Novenmber 14, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th in 1994. I suppose that's Jon Cain's fault. After all, he did try to get into one of the shows and talk to Perry but was refused. I bet Jon wanted to tell him he wasn't playing enough dates in a row.

That's a classic line.

No that in red is classic for if I were SP I would not have let him in either - he had already done enough damage.

Done what damage? Jonathan Cain came into the band years after Perry joined and Perry had more say in the band. What damage could Jon have possibly done to Perry b/f the '94 FTLOSM tour?

Jana we'll never understand what supposed "damage" Cain has done to emotionally frail one.
I suppose it's because in BTM both he and Harvey Heat Tiles acknowledge that it was Cain who put the (HORRORS ) ultimatum to him.

So with that one fact Cain, like the former angel who turned into satan, became loondom enemy #1. In places we don't see (well, except for Yak probably), online dens of "Stephen" worship, Cain is obviously spoken of in terms usually reserved for osama bin laden. And every now and then up into the mainstream pops one of those jihadists providing us with a small window into what goes on in that world.

Thanks, Red13JoePa. I am now enlightened.

[Red13JoePa]

I would think Journey's biggest mistake would be that excessive touring of Steve Perry.

He should have said no. Besides, when he was on his own and 45 years old he tried the same shit on the FTLOSM tour. Please explain why he played on Novenmber 14, 15th, 16th, 17th, 18th, 20th, 22nd, 23rd, 24th and 25th in 1994. I suppose that's Jon Cain's fault. After all, he did try to get into one of the shows and talk to Perry but was refused. I bet Jon wanted to tell him he wasn't playing enough dates in a row.

That's a classic line.

No that in red is classic for if I were SP I would not have let him in either - he had already done enough damage.

Done what damage? Jonathan Cain came into the band years after Perry joined and Perry had more say in the band. What damage could Jon have possibly done to Perry b/f the '94 FTLOSM tour?

Jana we'll never understand what supposed "damage" Cain has done to emotionally frail one.
I suppose it's because in BTM both he and Harvey Heat Tiles acknowledge that it was Cain who put the (HORRORS ) ultimatum to him.

They're asking what damage Cain did before the '94 tour where Cain allegedly wasn't let into the building at Perry's command, not after the '98 phone call.

I don't know that I have the whole story on the Cain/1994 thing... he wasn't let in, but where did the idea that Perry said "no" come from? Was it Cain's assumption, or was that communicated by security at the building, and how do we know the security guy was passing along the right info? I'm just not sure I ever heard anything more than Cain saying "Waaahhhhh he wouldn't let me in, waaahhhh." Sounds like possible game of telephone, but I don't know.

p.s., redjoe - "Harvey Heat Tiles" - I about lost my coffee on that one.

I don't care when they're talking about, I am talking about ever. What damage did he ever do?

What I am saying is that in the lore, gospel, whatever of loondom, the event that leads them all to vilify Cain evermore is the fact that he made the '98 call. He became the personification of evil.
And I think it's funny as hell, too.

[Michigan Girl]

It's a business.. a rock business. Shit happens.

Lol ...A+!!

[Michigan Girl]

What I am saying is that in the lore, gospel, whatever of loondom, the event that leads them all to vilify Cain evermore is the fact that he made the '98 call. He became the personification of evil.
And I think it's funny as hell, too.

You're absolutely right, and the fact that he seemed so insincere in the BTM fiasco ...people made decisions then!!

[portland]

Sony pushed them back together. And Neal was very loyal to SA for ten years, when they probably should have ended the relationship much earlier. Out of desperation made a formal announcement for the fill in, JSS, and then almost immediately realized it was a mistake. Handled wrong sure, the firing. I don't get the people that say they run through singers. I just don't. And Arnel will be with them until he leaves or his voice goes. I believe that.

Huh?! Let's see, they've had what, 5 or 6? Yeah, don't get why people would think that either.

If you listen to the radio they one had one singer.

[bluejeangirl76]

Sony pushed them back together. And Neal was very loyal to SA for ten years, when they probably should have ended the relationship much earlier. Out of desperation made a formal announcement for the fill in, JSS, and then almost immediately realized it was a mistake. Handled wrong sure, the firing. I don't get the people that say they run through singers. I just don't. And Arnel will be with them until he leaves or his voice goes. I believe that.

Huh?! Let's see, they've had what, 5 or 6? Yeah, don't get why people would think that either.

If you listen to the radio they one had one singer.

Hmm. Good point.

[YoungJRNY]

Sony pushed them back together. And Neal was very loyal to SA for ten years, when they probably should have ended the relationship much earlier. Out of desperation made a formal announcement for the fill in, JSS, and then almost immediately realized it was a mistake. Handled wrong sure, the firing. I don't get the people that say they run through singers. I just don't. And Arnel will be with them until he leaves or his voice goes. I believe that.

Huh?! Let's see, they've had what, 5 or 6? Yeah, don't get why people would think that either.

If you listen to the radio they one had one singer.

Yeah, but that's all considered in Dan's post to where I think he already mentioned that outside of the general public and outside of this very board, the casual fans have no idea about A.) The Perry fall out B.) Augeri C.) Tapegate and D.) Soto. It's only now that people are saying "Hey, when did Steve Perry turn Asian?" (talk about ignorant) so the recognition that Journey's getting now is that 'hey, they got a new lead singer I suppose" so things like the radio plays into the general public and what Journey really is, a nostalgic act that was made in the 80's who happen to have a new lead singer turning heads and working on a new album for 2010.

[YoungJRNY]

I'm just curious, and I ask this not wearing my Frontiers hat, but wearing my Journey fan hat....For everyone that says Journey made a huge mistake passing on Kevin Chalfant, and that he should have been the one to carry on the Journey hat.......Do you feel that Chalfant would have been different than Augeri in that his voice WOULD have held out, and that the band would not have eventually had struggles with him as they did with Augeri? I am just curious...discuss!

Good post. I guess my opinion on the whole ordeal is that a lot of factors need to happen to be successful while fronting a band like Journey with that grueling of a back catalog. You have to #1 be very gifted #2 have a unique distinguished sound and #3 take care of your voice like it was your one and only possession, which I'm sure you're very fond of. Did the over load of touring hurt a singer like Augeri in the long run? Absolutely, but that's tough to say when you would plug in someone else in that position who might have done things differently than someone like Augeri, whether it would of been Chalfant or even you. 10 years down the road, no, I don't think it would have been a different outcome than Augeri as far as the Journey legacy because the nostagia would have continued and albums like Arrival would be out there but with a Chalfant twist to it if it would of ever been.

As far as the voice, you're going to have wear and tear and Chalfant or ANYONE ELSE would have struggled with that touring schedule night in and night out for years at a time with no break. Even Perry by the end of his tenure had some tear and strain so I don't blame Augeri for losing steam but this goes back to maybe he could of done some more things as far as taking care of the voice is concerned and informing the best interest of rest when it was needed the most. I feel the same would have happened to Chalfant with vocal fatigue and it will happen to Arnel if they aren't careful.

[Rockindeano]

What I am saying is that in the lore, gospel, whatever of loondom, the event that leads them all to vilify Cain evermore is the fact that he made the '98 call. He became the personification of evil.
And I think it's funny as hell, too.

You ever stop long enough to look at yourself while at the same time calling Perry fanatics "loons" and Augeri hounds, "Wigglers?" Dude you fawn, blindly worship Journey as bad if not worse than the fucking Loons do Perry. The Perry loons are bad enough, sickening even, but my God, for you to stand loyal behind Neal and Jon after all the horrific shit they do and have done is far worse than any Loon behaviour. Give me time and I will devise a fitting name for you dolts. You, Dan, Youngjrny and Matt blindly worship at the Journey altar, because, well I really don't now why. I need to figure out what is so appealing about those assholes. Oh yeah, Deen and Ross are anything but good guys as well. The only guy in that organization who has an ounce of integrity and class is Pineda. It's time to call you all out while you call out everyone else. it's only fair. Now the Loons, I will admit, are the worst fucking people ever. From Nora's "Plushyeno looks like Steve perry(you have got to be fucking kidding me), to portland's "he opened his mouth so he is the best front man ever" is just mind blowing. I don't know who is worse: The Pinheads who have NO clue regarding Journey history and reality, or the Loons who have NO clue about anything except Steve Perry. Fuck all be damned. And Jana- what is your deal? You follow St John around like you are tethered to him, high fiving him after every pro Journey post. My God people, think for yourselves for once in a row. You got portland following Dan around shitting on all of his Journey arguments and Jana, applauding every one. Seems to me we should start a thread where it's Jana v portland and see what you two have to actually say to one another, and see what you can come up without cribbing someone else's words. I still like you both, but it's time to cut the cord. Same with JoePa. Dude, without Dan, you would need a map.

[Michigan Girl]

What I am saying is that in the lore, gospel, whatever of loondom, the event that leads them all to vilify Cain evermore is the fact that he made the '98 call. He became the personification of evil.
And I think it's funny as hell, too.

You ever stop long enough to look at yourself while at the same time calling Perry fanatics "loons" and Augeri hounds, "Wigglers?" Dude you fawn, blindly worship Journey as bad if not worse than the fucking Loons do Perry. The Perry loons are bad enough, sickening even, but my God, for you to stand loyal behind Neal and Jon after all the horrific shit they do and have done is far worse than any Loon behaviour. Give me time and I will devise a fitting name for you dolts. You, Dan, Youngjrny and Matt blindly worship at the Journey altar, because, well I really don't now why. I need to figure out what is so appealing about those assholes. Oh yeah, Deen and Ross are anything but good guys as well. The only guy in that organization who has an ounce of integrity and class is Pineda. It's time to call you all out while you call out everyone else. it's only fair. Now the Loons, I will admit, are the worst fucking people ever. From Nora's "Plushyeno looks like Steve perry(you have got to be fucking kidding me), to portland's "he opened his mouth so he is the best front man ever" is just mind blowing. I don't know who is worse: The Pinheads who have NO clue regarding Journey history and reality, or the Loons who have NO clue about anything except Steve Perry. Fuck all be damned. And Jana- what is your deal? You follow St John around like you are tethered to him, high fiving him after every pro Journey post. My God people, think for yourselves for once in a row. You got portland following Dan around shitting on all of his Journey arguments and Jana, applauding every one. Seems to me we should start a thread where it's Jana v portland and see what you two have to actually say to one another, and see what you can come up without cribbing someone else's words. I still like you both, but it's time to cut the cord. Same with JoePa. Dude, without Dan, you would need a map.

This is the GREATEST post ever and I'm a LOON!!!

[YoungJRNY]

What I am saying is that in the lore, gospel, whatever of loondom, the event that leads them all to vilify Cain evermore is the fact that he made the '98 call. He became the personification of evil.
And I think it's funny as hell, too.

You ever stop long enough to look at yourself while at the same time calling Perry fanatics "loons" and Augeri hounds, "Wigglers?" Dude you fawn, blindly worship Journey as bad if not worse than the fucking Loons do Perry. The Perry loons are bad enough, sickening even, but my God, for you to stand loyal behind Neal and Jon after all the horrific shit they do and have done is far worse than any Loon behaviour. Give me time and I will devise a fitting name for you dolts. You, Dan, Youngjrny and Matt blindly worship at the Journey altar, because, well I really don't now why. I need to figure out what is so appealing about those assholes. Oh yeah, Deen and Ross are anything but good guys as well. The only guy in that organization who has an ounce of integrity and class is Pineda. It's time to call you all out while you call out everyone else. it's only fair. Now the Loons, I will admit, are the worst fucking people ever. From Nora's "Plushyeno looks like Steve perry(you have got to be fucking kidding me), to portland's "he opened his mouth so he is the best front man ever" is just mind blowing. I don't know who is worse: The Pinheads who have NO clue regarding Journey history and reality, or the Loons who have NO clue about anything except Steve Perry. Fuck all be damned. And Jana- what is your deal? You follow St John around like you are tethered to him, high fiving him after every pro Journey post. My God people, think for yourselves for once in a row. You got portland following Dan around shitting on all of his Journey arguments and Jana, applauding every one. Seems to me we should start a thread where it's Jana v portland and see what you two have to actually say to one another, and see what you can come up without cribbing someone else's words. I still like you both, but it's time to cut the cord. Same with JoePa. Dude, without Dan, you would need a map.

Fuckin Dean.. good stuff. As far as mentioned me as being a worshiper of the "Journey altar" (lets get real, you were possibly the biggest fan at one point and travleled to many places to support Journey and also the Soto lineup. Also, you're known as the Journey and rock guru on MR so it goes hand in hand here.)

I don't believe this worship talk to be the case as far as me personally. I simply offer my opinion and I've said time and time again that I don't like getting mixed up with pissing matches when it comes to this to where it'll make my asshole bleed like it does some. I simply love their music and it gives me a great high to where I can go to a handful of concerts a year and rock out to the best of my ability. Journey is my favorite Rock Band of all time, but there's a difference between worship and offering an opinion within a discussion.

I've never met the whole band. I never met Neal, Cain, or Deen. I've briefed with Arnel who is an amazing person and hung with Ross a few times but other than that, I can give a shit less if they are the devil's offspring themselves because like I said, you'd have to be a MOTHER FUCKER at times to be in a business like this and as long as they keep rockin' on stage, I separate the rock band from the individual, so it's all cool with me.

[steveo777]

What I am saying is that in the lore, gospel, whatever of loondom, the event that leads them all to vilify Cain evermore is the fact that he made the '98 call. He became the personification of evil.
And I think it's funny as hell, too.

You ever stop long enough to look at yourself while at the same time calling Perry fanatics "loons" and Augeri hounds, "Wigglers?" Dude you fawn, blindly worship Journey as bad if not worse than the fucking Loons do Perry. The Perry loons are bad enough, sickening even, but my God, for you to stand loyal behind Neal and Jon after all the horrific shit they do and have done is far worse than any Loon behaviour. Give me time and I will devise a fitting name for you dolts. You, Dan, Youngjrny and Matt blindly worship at the Journey altar, because, well I really don't now why. I need to figure out what is so appealing about those assholes. Oh yeah, Deen and Ross are anything but good guys as well. The only guy in that organization who has an ounce of integrity and class is Pineda. It's time to call you all out while you call out everyone else. it's only fair. Now the Loons, I will admit, are the worst fucking people ever. From Nora's "Plushyeno looks like Steve perry(you have got to be fucking kidding me), to portland's "he opened his mouth so he is the best front man ever" is just mind blowing. I don't know who is worse: The Pinheads who have NO clue regarding Journey history and reality, or the Loons who have NO clue about anything except Steve Perry. Fuck all be damned. And Jana- what is your deal? You follow St John around like you are tethered to him, high fiving him after every pro Journey post. My God people, think for yourselves for once in a row. You got portland following Dan around shitting on all of his Journey arguments and Jana, applauding every one. Seems to me we should start a thread where it's Jana v portland and see what you two have to actually say to one another, and see what you can come up without cribbing someone else's words. I still like you both, but it's time to cut the cord. Same with JoePa. Dude, without Dan, you would need a map.

Damn, man, don't hold anything back. Let it all out. What's my excuse? I come for the music. Outside of their personal behaviour they are damn good musicians, not my fucking role models. Now let's get us some MR women's mud wrestling going!

[portland]

What I am saying is that in the lore, gospel, whatever of loondom, the event that leads them all to vilify Cain evermore is the fact that he made the '98 call. He became the personification of evil.
And I think it's funny as hell, too.

You ever stop long enough to look at yourself while at the same time calling Perry fanatics "loons" and Augeri hounds, "Wigglers?" Dude you fawn, blindly worship Journey as bad if not worse than the fucking Loons do Perry. The Perry loons are bad enough, sickening even, but my God, for you to stand loyal behind Neal and Jon after all the horrific shit they do and have done is far worse than any Loon behaviour. Give me time and I will devise a fitting name for you dolts. You, Dan, Youngjrny and Matt blindly worship at the Journey altar, because, well I really don't now why. I need to figure out what is so appealing about those assholes. Oh yeah, Deen and Ross are anything but good guys as well. The only guy in that organization who has an ounce of integrity and class is Pineda. It's time to call you all out while you call out everyone else. it's only fair. Now the Loons, I will admit, are the worst fucking people ever. From Nora's "Plushyeno looks like Steve perry(you have got to be fucking kidding me), to portland's "he opened his mouth so he is the best front man ever" is just mind blowing. I don't know who is worse: The Pinheads who have NO clue regarding Journey history and reality, or the Loons who have NO clue about anything except Steve Perry. Fuck all be damned. And Jana- what is your deal? You follow St John around like you are tethered to him, high fiving him after every pro Journey post. My God people, think for yourselves for once in a row. You got portland following Dan around shitting on all of his Journey arguments and Jana, applauding every one. Seems to me we should start a thread where it's Jana v portland and see what you two have to actually say to one another, and see what you can come up without cribbing someone else's words. I still like you both, but it's time to cut the cord. Same with JoePa. Dude, without Dan, you would need a map.

This is the GREATEST post ever and I'm a LOON!!!

Yes.....I actually agree with him


Cord CUT!!!!

[Michigan Girl]

What I am saying is that in the lore, gospel, whatever of loondom, the event that leads them all to vilify Cain evermore is the fact that he made the '98 call. He became the personification of evil.
And I think it's funny as hell, too.

You ever stop long enough to look at yourself while at the same time calling Perry fanatics "loons" and Augeri hounds, "Wigglers?" Dude you fawn, blindly worship Journey as bad if not worse than the fucking Loons do Perry. The Perry loons are bad enough, sickening even, but my God, for you to stand loyal behind Neal and Jon after all the horrific shit they do and have done is far worse than any Loon behaviour. Give me time and I will devise a fitting name for you dolts. You, Dan, Youngjrny and Matt blindly worship at the Journey altar, because, well I really don't now why. I need to figure out what is so appealing about those assholes. Oh yeah, Deen and Ross are anything but good guys as well. The only guy in that organization who has an ounce of integrity and class is Pineda. It's time to call you all out while you call out everyone else. it's only fair. Now the Loons, I will admit, are the worst fucking people ever. From Nora's "Plushyeno looks like Steve perry(you have got to be fucking kidding me), to portland's "he opened his mouth so he is the best front man ever" is just mind blowing. I don't know who is worse: The Pinheads who have NO clue regarding Journey history and reality, or the Loons who have NO clue about anything except Steve Perry. Fuck all be damned. And Jana- what is your deal? You follow St John around like you are tethered to him, high fiving him after every pro Journey post. My God people, think for yourselves for once in a row. You got portland following Dan around shitting on all of his Journey arguments and Jana, applauding every one. Seems to me we should start a thread where it's Jana v portland and see what you two have to actually say to one another, and see what you can come up without cribbing someone else's words. I still like you both, but it's time to cut the cord. Same with JoePa. Dude, without Dan, you would need a map.

Damn, man, don't hold anything back. Let it all out. What's my excuse? I come for the music. Outside of their personal behaviour they are damn good musicians, not my fucking role models.

You're an effing delusional Pinhead and you know it...own up man!!

[steveo777]

What I am saying is that in the lore, gospel, whatever of loondom, the event that leads them all to vilify Cain evermore is the fact that he made the '98 call. He became the personification of evil.
And I think it's funny as hell, too.

You ever stop long enough to look at yourself while at the same time calling Perry fanatics "loons" and Augeri hounds, "Wigglers?" Dude you fawn, blindly worship Journey as bad if not worse than the fucking Loons do Perry. The Perry loons are bad enough, sickening even, but my God, for you to stand loyal behind Neal and Jon after all the horrific shit they do and have done is far worse than any Loon behaviour. Give me time and I will devise a fitting name for you dolts. You, Dan, Youngjrny and Matt blindly worship at the Journey altar, because, well I really don't now why. I need to figure out what is so appealing about those assholes. Oh yeah, Deen and Ross are anything but good guys as well. The only guy in that organization who has an ounce of integrity and class is Pineda. It's time to call you all out while you call out everyone else. it's only fair. Now the Loons, I will admit, are the worst fucking people ever. From Nora's "Plushyeno looks like Steve perry(you have got to be fucking kidding me), to portland's "he opened his mouth so he is the best front man ever" is just mind blowing. I don't know who is worse: The Pinheads who have NO clue regarding Journey history and reality, or the Loons who have NO clue about anything except Steve Perry. Fuck all be damned. And Jana- what is your deal? You follow St John around like you are tethered to him, high fiving him after every pro Journey post. My God people, think for yourselves for once in a row. You got portland following Dan around shitting on all of his Journey arguments and Jana, applauding every one. Seems to me we should start a thread where it's Jana v portland and see what you two have to actually say to one another, and see what you can come up without cribbing someone else's words. I still like you both, but it's time to cut the cord. Same with JoePa. Dude, without Dan, you would need a map.

Damn, man, don't hold anything back. Let it all out. What's my excuse? I come for the music. Outside of their personal behaviour they are damn good musicians, not my fucking role models.

You're an effing delusional Pinhead and you know it...own up man!!

Kiss my ass!

[Michigan Girl]

Deano, did you mean Matty?!?! Because he has been a tad Anti~Arnel lately ...I see
no blind worshipping taking place in his posts ...

[Michigan Girl]

Kiss my ass!

That's it, change the subject... asshole!!!

[Rockindeano]

Deano, did you mean Matty?!?! Because he has been a tad Anti~Arnel lately ...I see
no blind worshipping taking place in his posts ...

I see it like this:

The Pro Journey faction is headed up by Dan. He is a natural leader and a smart guy so it's only fitting. RedJoe piggybacks off Dan. RedJoe is a great guy too, but one must remember we used to be tight as well when I was on that side of the fence awhile ago. Matt is a sharp fucker, and I see him as not a big fan of Pineda, but a Journey fan. To be fair to him, I have never seen him be unfair or unbiased in his opinion. He still likes Bruce and Matt is a hardcore conservative YoungJRNY is another smart kid and a nice kid at that. I do think they let Dan lay the groundwork and then build upon that. Jana definitely is a huge Journey fan and definitely rides Dan's coattails or any pro Journey posters for that matter. God, I remember the days when I was on this team. I got traded about 3 years ago. Sometimes I miss the music. I haven't spun a single Journey song in 2 years.