Sharia law here in Michigan. Unbelievable

[Don]

Do you know that little place in the shadows of your consciousness? That thing which makes you feel that someone is watching you? That can be described as your inner God I guess, a little being in the back of your mind that can take credit when you do the right decisions and seems to speak to you in God's voice, which you hear in your head as prayers answered.

Doctors can actually control this element enough to bring him forth when you are sleeping, so It's not a mythical entity but more or less a part of your brain that only activates at certain times.
You could say this is a part of you being your own God when you make decisions based solely on what you pray and wish to happen.

[Sarah]

Because god gave us free will ...we choose our own paths, including killers and Lucifer!!
We go to god in prayer for strength and guidance and to, hopefully, choose the right
path ...I agree w/ Jana's minister!!

Then I hope that God rewards those kids who had to endure being killed or molested, rewards them enough to make up for the horrible life they never deserved. If life is a gift from God, it's not much of a gift for those kids. IMO, it's not very loving for God to let innocent/defenseless children be killed or abused. I thought if you were good, you were rewarded not only in the afterlife but in this life, but some kids barely have a chance to try.

It also doesn't explain why God lets children get cancer and die before having a chance.

I prefer not to shrug and accept those kinds of things as part of God's plan.

Anyone who tells you they have the answer for that ^^^^is lying ...

I know there's no answer, just saying it's a shame that children suffer and die at the hands of others as part of a master plan... if God does love everyone, he has a funny way of showing it.

[Jana]

Because god gave us free will ...we choose our own paths, including killers and Lucifer!!
We go to god in prayer for strength and guidance and to, hopefully, choose the right
path ...I agree w/ Jana's minister!!

Then I hope that God rewards those kids who had to endure being killed or molested, rewards them enough to make up for the horrible life they never deserved. If life is a gift from God, it's not much of a gift for those kids. IMO, it's not very loving for God to let innocent/defenseless children be killed or abused. I thought if you were good, you were rewarded not only in the afterlife but in this life, but some kids barely have a chance to try.

It also doesn't explain why God lets children get cancer and die before having a chance.

I prefer not to shrug and accept those kinds of things as part of God's plan.

Anyone who tells you they have the answer for that ^^^^is lying ...

I know there's no answer, just saying it's a shame that children suffer and die at the hands of others as part of a master plan... if God does love everyone, he has a funny way of showing it.

Yep. It's why I question things.

[BobbyinTN]

Hitler had the right idea, but he went after only a couple selected religions. Religion is the cancer of the world. Abolish it all; by force if need be. People shouldn't be allowed to be that stupid. It's the 21st century. It should be pretty well established that there isn't some mystical force controlling everything.

I wouldn't call Hitler right about anything, BUT, religion should be held down in America and not allowed to influence legislation and certainly should hold no political power.

If people want to worship that's cool. When those worshipping people want to take over the world or force their view on everyone else, they should be destroyed.

Wow! There is really no sensible reply to this garbage, but Ill try. Christians are united states citizens and have a right to hold political power just like anyone else. We also have a right to express our views and opinions just like everyone else, including you two.

So are Muslims-Americans, and Buddhist-Americans and many other non-Chritian religions, do you want them enacting their religious views/laws on you? Christianity has no place in government.

[artist4perry]

Because god gave us free will ...we choose our own paths, including killers and Lucifer!!
We go to god in prayer for strength and guidance and to, hopefully, choose the right
path ...I agree w/ Jana's minister!!

Then I hope that God rewards those kids who had to endure being killed or molested, rewards them enough to make up for the horrible life they never deserved. If life is a gift from God, it's not much of a gift for those kids. IMO, it's not very loving for God to let innocent/defenseless children be killed or abused. I thought if you were good, you were rewarded not only in the afterlife but in this life, but some kids barely have a chance to try.

It also doesn't explain why God lets children get cancer and die before having a chance.

I prefer not to shrug and accept those kinds of things as part of God's plan.

Anyone who tells you they have the answer for that ^^^^is lying ...

O.K. I am going to try...........I am not intending to lie MG, just to make sense of it all...............here is how I see it. If there is a God, then most people believe in the Devil. We were never designed to live forever. Life has good and bad things in it. Do you ever wonder tht maybe it isn't God taking those innocents..................but if they are taken he cradles them with love and joy and painlessness for the rest of time? Do you ever wonder if the Devil uses this as the tool to make you doubt God all together? The devil has no love for anyone, and the more he can make suffer the better. But what punishment awaits those who would harm a child? Jesus answered that..........he said it would be better if a millstone were hung around his neck. He held children as to liken them to what the kingdom of heaven would be. No, I don't see God targeting children or hurting people who love him. I see him as a comfort during those times, when life does not seem fair, or makes our hearts heavy. One day I think we all will know. If you don't believe in God then it is just random chance and there is no justice if someone does not get caught in this life. Life is cruel, sadistic, and hardly worth living if its only purpose is to procreate and die. And it stinks for those who never get to procreate! Just injecting humor to lighten the mood a bit!

[BobbyinTN]

Hitler had the right idea, but he went after only a couple selected religions. Religion is the cancer of the world. Abolish it all; by force if need be. People shouldn't be allowed to be that stupid. It's the 21st century. It should be pretty well established that there isn't some mystical force controlling everything.

I wouldn't call Hitler right about anything, BUT, religion should be held down in America and not allowed to influence legislation and certainly should hold no political power.

If people want to worship that's cool. When those worshipping people want to take over the world or force their view on everyone else, they should be destroyed.

Wow, if we had a nation full of you two ...?!?!
Bobby, think about what you typed here ...

Michigan Girl, isn't that what they're doing to the Taliban and the extreme religious nuts who want to take over everyone's lives and force them to live as they see fit? What makes extreme Christianity any different?

[BobbyinTN]

So do those of you who are against religion consider yourselves atheists? You obviously don't believe in God if you don't believe in religion. Religion (any religion) is man's attempt to be close to their God, whether it is a christian, jew, muslim... Religion is a HUMAN creation, though, and as such there will be mistakes (sometimes horrible mistakes) made in the name of God. Obviously there are fringe elements out there, but 'religion' in an of itself is a good thing. It is generally a very inclusive thing, designed to allow persons of a particular faith to come together in shared interest to worship and practice their faith.

Those of you who don't like to be stereotyped (BobbyinTN et al) because of your particular traits should avoid doing the same to others. You can't paint us all with the same brush. I'm sure there are 'religious' people out there who have been cruel and unaccepting of you. Not all christians are that way though. Accept it or not, our nation was created with a christian undertone. Our moving away from that is what has eroded our nation, not made it stronger. IMO.

The best part about it is that even though you shun God and the religions that worship Him, He never stops loving you.

And yet how many people are painted with one brush by Christians, Donna?

I believe in God. As for religion and the Bible, it's all bullshit and takes advantage of many people.

I have no problem with people worshipping as they please and believing anything they wish, but I think it's wrong for them to legislate those beliefs on the rest of the country.

[BobbyinTN]

So do those of you who are against religion consider yourselves atheists? You obviously don't believe in God if you don't believe in religion. Religion (any religion) is man's attempt to be close to their God, whether it is a christian, jew, muslim... Religion is a HUMAN creation, though, and as such there will be mistakes (sometimes horrible mistakes) made in the name of God. Obviously there are fringe elements out there, but 'religion' in an of itself is a good thing. It is generally a very inclusive thing, designed to allow persons of a particular faith to come together in shared interest to worship and practice their faith.

Those of you who don't like to be stereotyped (BobbyinTN et al) because of your particular traits should avoid doing the same to others. You can't paint us all with the same brush. I'm sure there are 'religious' people out there who have been cruel and unaccepting of you. Not all christians are that way though. Accept it or not, our nation was created with a christian undertone. Our moving away from that is what has eroded our nation, not made it stronger. IMO.

The best part about it is that even though you shun God and the religions that worship Him, He never stops loving you.

Religion is man's colonization of set beliefs about God. Closer? Perhaps, but in their own way...and usually, it's their way or the highway.

Can we not have beliefs on our own? If not, how did religions start?

Just because some choose not to have membership in an organization, it doesn't mean they don't believe in God.

Freedom of religion can also mean freedom from religion, no?


later~

Agree 100%

[artist4perry]

Hitler had the right idea, but he went after only a couple selected religions. Religion is the cancer of the world. Abolish it all; by force if need be. People shouldn't be allowed to be that stupid. It's the 21st century. It should be pretty well established that there isn't some mystical force controlling everything.

I wouldn't call Hitler right about anything, BUT, religion should be held down in America and not allowed to influence legislation and certainly should hold no political power.

If people want to worship that's cool. When those worshipping people want to take over the world or force their view on everyone else, they should be destroyed.

Wow! There is really no sensible reply to this garbage, but Ill try. Christians are united states citizens and have a right to hold political power just like anyone else. We also have a right to express our views and opinions just like everyone else, including you two.

So are Muslims-Americans, and Buddhist-Americans and many other non-Chritian religions, do you want them enacting their religious views/laws on you? Christianity has no place in government.

Bobby I don't say you should be destroyed..............you and Hitler lover should get together and paint your places with little ugly spiders! Lighten up child! I think all thoughts should be viewed when talking about government. None should trump the other. But all voices have a place to be heard when it comes to rights. I have no problem with any veiw being discussed. But anymore than people should not have the right to threaten or harm you, the same goes for religion. Extremeism has no place. This goes for all things.

[BobbyinTN]

So do those of you who are against religion consider yourselves atheists? You obviously don't believe in God if you don't believe in religion. Religion (any religion) is man's attempt to be close to their God, whether it is a christian, jew, muslim... Religion is a HUMAN creation, though, and as such there will be mistakes (sometimes horrible mistakes) made in the name of God. Obviously there are fringe elements out there, but 'religion' in an of itself is a good thing. It is generally a very inclusive thing, designed to allow persons of a particular faith to come together in shared interest to worship and practice their faith.

Those of you who don't like to be stereotyped (BobbyinTN et al) because of your particular traits should avoid doing the same to others. You can't paint us all with the same brush. I'm sure there are 'religious' people out there who have been cruel and unaccepting of you. Not all christians are that way though. Accept it or not, our nation was created with a christian undertone. Our moving away from that is what has eroded our nation, not made it stronger. IMO.

The best part about it is that even though you shun God and the religions that worship Him, He never stops loving you.

I consider myself more of a anti theist than a atheist (slight difference). You people can have religion all you want. Pray to the Flying Pesto Jar for all I care. But religion and its values are highly immoral, and are based on age old myths and stories. I'd rather have full responsibility for my own actions, than having some old angry dude with a beard (cause he's angry alright. Just read the bible. Doesn't get more vindicative and hateful than him) take responsibility for what I do.

I don't blame God for what's happening around me, or my own actions and their outcome, I blame me. When something is wrong in my life - when I want something more; I don't go pray to whatever God I see fit. I make it happen. I'm the man in my life.

Exactly. I see people calling themselves “blessed” every day and thinking that God is concerned with every little facet of their lives. BUT, when bad things happen to them, the either ignore them or claim it’s “God’s will”. How can a being that created you, want you to fail? How can anyone believe that God is in favor of any sports team over another? It’s ridiculous and I simply don’t want any part of it. And for those who believe in all that religious crap to think I’m the one that is in need of help or I’m “missing” something is just beyond laughable.

[artist4perry]

Hitler had the right idea, but he went after only a couple selected religions. Religion is the cancer of the world. Abolish it all; by force if need be. People shouldn't be allowed to be that stupid. It's the 21st century. It should be pretty well established that there isn't some mystical force controlling everything.

I wouldn't call Hitler right about anything, BUT, religion should be held down in America and not allowed to influence legislation and certainly should hold no political power.

If people want to worship that's cool. When those worshipping people want to take over the world or force their view on everyone else, they should be destroyed.

Wow, if we had a nation full of you two ...?!?!
Bobby, think about what you typed here ...

Michigan Girl, isn't that what they're doing to the Taliban and the extreme religious nuts who want to take over everyone's lives and force them to live as they see fit? What makes extreme Christianity any different?

One word......................................................................extreme.........basicly someone using religion to hurt. Like the nut job using a dog as a reason to kill. Nut jobs. LOONIES. People who should not be allowed to play with even crayons.

[Don]

It's not just the poor, misled Muslims killing other faiths and some of their own either. We have had the Pepsi vs Coke issue in N. Ireland. How do those who are Protestants defend what is happening to the Catholics and vice-versa? The argument that those are European Protestants or European Catholics, so they are different than us in the states is just another poor excuse, as if a God would indoctrinate his followers based on their Geographic location, he who can do anything and knows no boundaries.

[BobbyinTN]

Parfait , We ARE special compared to animals. Way above them.

Just all that science you keep bragging about , is possible because we are special. You don't see any other creatures having the skills that humans have and that is a FACT.
Human kind was created for a reason. Don't bring your mumbo jumbo that we come from the apes cause we discussed that before. You are fully entitled to have YOUR opinion , but you can not argue the fact that all that human beings have created the past couple thousand years proves that we are indeed a lot smarter than animals and way above them in almost every field, which means we ARE SPECIAL.

No, I disagree. We're not special, we're just different. Sure, we have higher learning skills than most animals, but compared to ants and other colonizing animals, we're light years behind. Compared to birds and migratory animals, they've got us beat a million times over.


We don't have to be special to be who we are, and honestly without the weapons we've invented, man wouldn't stand a chance in the wild against a hungry lion or any large predator.

[Behshad]

Parfait , We ARE special compared to animals. Way above them.

Just all that science you keep bragging about , is possible because we are special. You don't see any other creatures having the skills that humans have and that is a FACT.
Human kind was created for a reason. Don't bring your mumbo jumbo that we come from the apes cause we discussed that before. You are fully entitled to have YOUR opinion , but you can not argue the fact that all that human beings have created the past couple thousand years proves that we are indeed a lot smarter than animals and way above them in almost every field, which means we ARE SPECIAL.

No, I disagree. We're not special, we're just different. Sure, we have higher learning skills than most animals, but compared to ants and other colonizing animals, we're light years behind. Compared to birds and migratory animals, they've got us beat a million times over.


We don't have to be special to be who we are, and honestly without the weapons we've invented, man wouldn't stand a chance in the wild against a hungry lion or any large predator.

Just the fact that we INVENTED the weapons to defend ourselves , proves that we are special.
Just the fact that we invented planes to make us fly like birds proves that we are special.... Its not just about different,,,, we have come a long way the past 1000 years,,, hell just the past 20 years we have come a long way, while animals still are stuck in the same methods whether its feedin, hunting or defending themselves.

[artist4perry]

So do those of you who are against religion consider yourselves atheists? You obviously don't believe in God if you don't believe in religion. Religion (any religion) is man's attempt to be close to their God, whether it is a christian, jew, muslim... Religion is a HUMAN creation, though, and as such there will be mistakes (sometimes horrible mistakes) made in the name of God. Obviously there are fringe elements out there, but 'religion' in an of itself is a good thing. It is generally a very inclusive thing, designed to allow persons of a particular faith to come together in shared interest to worship and practice their faith.

Those of you who don't like to be stereotyped (BobbyinTN et al) because of your particular traits should avoid doing the same to others. You can't paint us all with the same brush. I'm sure there are 'religious' people out there who have been cruel and unaccepting of you. Not all christians are that way though. Accept it or not, our nation was created with a christian undertone. Our moving away from that is what has eroded our nation, not made it stronger. IMO.

The best part about it is that even though you shun God and the religions that worship Him, He never stops loving you.

I consider myself more of a anti theist than a atheist (slight difference). You people can have religion all you want. Pray to the Flying Pesto Jar for all I care. But religion and its values are highly immoral, and are based on age old myths and stories. I'd rather have full responsibility for my own actions, than having some old angry dude with a beard (cause he's angry alright. Just read the bible. Doesn't get more vindicative and hateful than him) take responsibility for what I do.

I don't blame God for what's happening around me, or my own actions and their outcome, I blame me. When something is wrong in my life - when I want something more; I don't go pray to whatever God I see fit. I make it happen. I'm the man in my life.

Exactly. I see people calling themselves “blessed” every day and thinking that God is concerned with every little facet of their lives. BUT, when bad things happen to them, the either ignore them or claim it’s “God’s will”. How can a being that created you, want you to fail? How can anyone believe that God is in favor of any sports team over another? It’s ridiculous and I simply don’t want any part of it. And for those who believe in all that religious crap to think I’m the one that is in need of help or I’m “missing” something is just beyond laughable.

Bobby not everyone looks at things bad as the way God's will works. I think that is said because most people, including myself at times don't have all the answers. But truly sugar do you have all the answers of life? Do you know why a child suffers his whole life and that is his one and only purpose then it dies and poof dirt? And as for not wanting any part of it, that is your choice. Wonderful free will. You have 100% right to feel that way. You and Parfait can believe as you want. And ain't it grand.............I am also free to love, feel I am loved, feel you are loved, and feel cradled by a loving God? Either way it is a wonderful thing to have that perogitive. See, if we don't both have equal intrest in government, someone could legislate that either of us could be put to death by our tenents we live by. And that would be a horrible existance, Really sweetie.........watch the Twilight Zone episode of The obsolete man. It is not about religion per say, you might think that at first..........but the tenents of freedom of thought. We are all entitled to this.

[S2M]

Because god gave us free will ...we choose our own paths, including killers and Lucifer!!
We go to god in prayer for strength and guidance and to, hopefully, choose the right
path ...I agree w/ Jana's minister!!

The 'god gave us free will' defense is an excuse that frees religious types from answering the hardball questions that they CAN'T answer....

God gives us free will is not a "defense" as you state it. Free will to me only means we can choose to believe in him and his teachings or not. A person who believes in free will...........and I do........is only stating I am not predestined to go to heaven. I am not part of an elect that God chooses weather they are good or bad. Some religions feel you can have no bearing on being Chosen. Free will means you believe you choose to serve God or not. Simple. I don't use it to answer anything. Except for what that means. Where is this defense thing your talking about?

Just as you have free will to vote Democrat or Republican. No one forces you to choose one way or another.

Do you really wish to know what defense I mean? Ok, you asked for it...lol

I often ask my more delusional friends..you know the ones, the ones that believe in the imaginary friend for adults....how god can tolerate rapists and murderers....etc. if he is such a good god, a caring god, a compassionate being how can he allow things to happen to innocent children? They think for a moment, trying to grasp even a small filament of a concept that doesn't exist....then without fail fall back on, 'oh god doesn't have any power over our day to day lives. He gave us free will.' To which I ask a follow-up, 'ok, so if god doesn't have any power over our everyday lives, why the fuck do you pray?' And THAT query is met with blank stares.....its not that difficult to stump a religious nutjob.....

[StevePerryHair]

Parfait , We ARE special compared to animals. Way above them.

Just all that science you keep bragging about , is possible because we are special. You don't see any other creatures having the skills that humans have and that is a FACT.
Human kind was created for a reason. Don't bring your mumbo jumbo that we come from the apes cause we discussed that before. You are fully entitled to have YOUR opinion , but you can not argue the fact that all that human beings have created the past couple thousand years proves that we are indeed a lot smarter than animals and way above them in almost every field, which means we ARE SPECIAL.

No, I disagree. We're not special, we're just different. Sure, we have higher learning skills than most animals, but compared to ants and other colonizing animals, we're light years behind. Compared to birds and migratory animals, they've got us beat a million times over.
We don't have to be special to be who we are, and honestly without the weapons we've invented, man wouldn't stand a chance in the wild against a hungry lion or any large predator.

true! The day I see a lion holding a machine gun is the day I'll believe they are light years ahead and if we evolved from apes, let's ask these evolutionists why we still have apes

Just the fact that we INVENTED the weapons to defend ourselves , proves that we are special.
Just the fact that we invented planes to make us fly like birds proves that we are special.... Its not just about different,,,, we have come a long way the past 1000 years,,, hell just the past 20 years we have come a long way, while animals still are stuck in the same methods whether its feedin, hunting or defending themselves.

[BobbyinTN]

Because god gave us free will ...we choose our own paths, including killers and Lucifer!!
We go to god in prayer for strength and guidance and to, hopefully, choose the right
path ...I agree w/ Jana's minister!!

The 'god gave us free will' defense is an excuse that frees religious types from answering the hardball questions that they CAN'T answer....

God gives us free will is not a "defense" as you state it. Free will to me only means we can choose to believe in him and his teachings or not. A person who believes in free will...........and I do........is only stating I am not predestined to go to heaven. I am not part of an elect that God chooses weather they are good or bad. Some religions feel you can have no bearing on being Chosen. Free will means you believe you choose to serve God or not. Simple. I don't use it to answer anything. Except for what that means. Where is this defense thing your talking about?

Just as you have free will to vote Democrat or Republican. No one forces you to choose one way or another.

Do you really wish to know what defense I mean? Ok, you asked for it...lol

I often ask my more delusional friends..you know the ones, the ones that believe in the imaginary friend for adults....how god can tolerate rapists and murderers....etc. if he is such a good god, a caring god, a compassionate being how can he allow things to happen to innocent children? They think for a moment, trying to grasp even a small filament of a concept that doesn't exist....then without fail fall back on, 'oh god doesn't have any power over our day to day lives. He gave us free will.' To which I ask a follow-up, 'ok, so if god doesn't have any power over our everyday lives, why the fuck do you pray?' And THAT query is met with blank stares.....its not that difficult to stump a religious nutjob.....

Anyone that has witnessed a child with cancer or a murderer get off scott free, has to question the existence of a good natured God.

[StevePerryHair]

I'm on my phone and can't fix I put my response in the wrong place
This is my response to B's last post: true! The day I see a lion holding a machine gun is the day I'll believe they are light years ahead and if we evolved from apes, let's ask these evolutionists why we still have apes

[AlteredDNA]

I'm on my phone and can't fix I put my response in the wrong place

Clearly, you're not "special" yet...

[BobbyinTN]

Parfait , We ARE special compared to animals. Way above them.

Just all that science you keep bragging about , is possible because we are special. You don't see any other creatures having the skills that humans have and that is a FACT.
Human kind was created for a reason. Don't bring your mumbo jumbo that we come from the apes cause we discussed that before. You are fully entitled to have YOUR opinion , but you can not argue the fact that all that human beings have created the past couple thousand years proves that we are indeed a lot smarter than animals and way above them in almost every field, which means we ARE SPECIAL.

No, I disagree. We're not special, we're just different. Sure, we have higher learning skills than most animals, but compared to ants and other colonizing animals, we're light years behind. Compared to birds and migratory animals, they've got us beat a million times over.


We don't have to be special to be who we are, and honestly without the weapons we've invented, man wouldn't stand a chance in the wild against a hungry lion or any large predator.

Just the fact that we INVENTED the weapons to defend ourselves , proves that we are special.
Just the fact that we invented planes to make us fly like birds proves that we are special.... Its not just about different,,,, we have come a long way the past 1000 years,,, hell just the past 20 years we have come a long way, while animals still are stuck in the same methods whether its feedin, hunting or defending themselves.

I know you're heard the old saying, "if it ain't broke...", well that applies to the animal kingdom. Yes, we've done many incredible things, but to think we're better than or more adapted than every creature on earth is just too much for me. When man can stop killing each other and fighting over whose God is the greatest or whose land is the most valuable or who has the right to rule over everyone else and can actually live in peace, then I'll accept the fact that we're special, but right now with the extreme greed and killing and waste happening in the this country, not to mention the world, we're no better than the wild things.

[StevePerryHair]

I'm on my phone and can't fix I put my response in the wrong place

Clearly, you're not "special" yet...

:lol:

[BobbyinTN]

I'm on my phone and can't fix I put my response in the wrong place
This is my response to B's last post: true! The day I see a lion holding a machine gun is the day I'll believe they are light years ahead and if we evolved from apes, let's ask these evolutionists why we still have apes

That's the biggest misonception about evolution. Just because you make biscuits doesn't mean you won't have flour left. The apes you see today are descendants just as we are, we just took a different evolutionary path. It's not hard to understand, and really for me, it's the greatest example of why there could be a God.

[BobbyinTN]

Guys and gals, sorry about my typos, but when I respond to someone how has more than a couple of quotes, I can't see what I'm typing. The page bounces and everything I respond with is at the bottom of all these quotes. By the time I hit submit, it's too late and each time I go back to edit and fix, my page bounces more and it just fucks with me. Is that happening with anyone else?

[gr8dane]

Because god gave us free will ...we choose our own paths, including killers and Lucifer!!
We go to god in prayer for strength and guidance and to, hopefully, choose the right
path ...I agree w/ Jana's minister!!

Why don't you just replace god with your own name.

This is a great question ...I feel compelled to recite a commandment,
but that isn't the answer ...anyone?!?! :wink:

I am not telling you to be a god for others.
But think for yourself without 'others' guidance.
If you need to be guided, you are not yourself.

[Behshad]

Parfait , We ARE special compared to animals. Way above them.

Just all that science you keep bragging about , is possible because we are special. You don't see any other creatures having the skills that humans have and that is a FACT.
Human kind was created for a reason. Don't bring your mumbo jumbo that we come from the apes cause we discussed that before. You are fully entitled to have YOUR opinion , but you can not argue the fact that all that human beings have created the past couple thousand years proves that we are indeed a lot smarter than animals and way above them in almost every field, which means we ARE SPECIAL.

No, I disagree. We're not special, we're just different. Sure, we have higher learning skills than most animals, but compared to ants and other colonizing animals, we're light years behind. Compared to birds and migratory animals, they've got us beat a million times over.


We don't have to be special to be who we are, and honestly without the weapons we've invented, man wouldn't stand a chance in the wild against a hungry lion or any large predator.

Just the fact that we INVENTED the weapons to defend ourselves , proves that we are special.
Just the fact that we invented planes to make us fly like birds proves that we are special.... Its not just about different,,,, we have come a long way the past 1000 years,,, hell just the past 20 years we have come a long way, while animals still are stuck in the same methods whether its feedin, hunting or defending themselves.

I know you're heard the old saying, "if it ain't broke...", well that applies to the animal kingdom. Yes, we've done many incredible things, but to think we're better than or more adapted than every creature on earth is just too much for me. When man can stop killing each other and fighting over whose God is the greatest or whose land is the most valuable or who has the right to rule over everyone else and can actually live in peace, then I'll accept the fact that we're special, but right now with the extreme greed and killing and waste happening in the this country, not to mention the world, we're no better than the wild things.

We're not talking about better or worse than wild things,,,, there are many creatures that have a better life than us,,, they dont have to worry about their kids,, they dont have to worry about bills,, and they most certainly dont have to worry about argue with weirdos like you!

At the same token that we have created weapons and created greed and horrible things, we also have came up with great inventions and ways to , not only take care of ourselves, but also help animals,,,, So just cause there's good & evil , doesnt mean we're not special.... we are stilll above the animal kingdom, cause we have the ability to develop this world further with all of the invention, none of which an ant or lion couldve came up with .

[StevePerryHair]

I'm on my phone and can't fix I put my response in the wrong place
This is my response to B's last post: true! The day I see a lion holding a machine gun is the day I'll believe they are light years ahead and if we evolved from apes, let's ask these evolutionists why we still have apes

That's the biggest misonception about evolution. Just because you make biscuits doesn't mean you won't have flour left. The apes you see today are descendants just as we are, we just took a different evolutionary path. It's not hard to understand, and really for me, it's the greatest example of why there could be a God.

So we are just a genetic mutation? A bunch of apes mutated to become us and some are descendants? Yeah, ok!

[Don]

We are special enough to have the ability to exterminate ourselves or at the very least, cause great enough damage to set back our own progress hundreds of years. The Dinosaurs lasted for 150 million years before becoming extinct due to events beyond their control.
We've managed to create our own dooms day scenario after only a few millennium.

I can believe in a creator for the universe but one who takes special interest to our own particular species and separates the bad from the good, I don't believe in, especially one that would allow the stewardship over his own creations to become so neglectful as to allow his charges to garner the ability to destroy themselves on such a massive scale. I just don't buy it.

[Michigan Girl]

Do you know that little place in the shadows of your consciousness? That thing which makes you feel that someone is watching you? That can be described as your inner God I guess, a little being in the back of your mind that can take credit when you do the right decisions and seems to speak to you in God's voice, which you hear in your head as prayers answered.

Doctors can actually control this element enough to bring him forth when you are sleeping, so It's not a mythical entity but more or less a part of your brain that only activates at certain times.
You could say this is a part of you being your own God when you make decisions based solely on what you pray and wish to happen.

I'll take "What is a Conscience" for 100, Alex!!

[artist4perry]

Because god gave us free will ...we choose our own paths, including killers and Lucifer!!
We go to god in prayer for strength and guidance and to, hopefully, choose the right
path ...I agree w/ Jana's minister!!

The 'god gave us free will' defense is an excuse that frees religious types from answering the hardball questions that they CAN'T answer....

God gives us free will is not a "defense" as you state it. Free will to me only means we can choose to believe in him and his teachings or not. A person who believes in free will...........and I do........is only stating I am not predestined to go to heaven. I am not part of an elect that God chooses weather they are good or bad. Some religions feel you can have no bearing on being Chosen. Free will means you believe you choose to serve God or not. Simple. I don't use it to answer anything. Except for what that means. Where is this defense thing your talking about?

Just as you have free will to vote Democrat or Republican. No one forces you to choose one way or another.

Do you really wish to know what defense I mean? Ok, you asked for it...lol

I often ask my more delusional friends..you know the ones, the ones that believe in the imaginary friend for adults....how god can tolerate rapists and murderers....etc. if he is such a good god, a caring god, a compassionate being how can he allow things to happen to innocent children? They think for a moment, trying to grasp even a small filament of a concept that doesn't exist....then without fail fall back on, 'oh god doesn't have any power over our day to day lives. He gave us free will.' To which I ask a follow-up, 'ok, so if god doesn't have any power over our everyday lives, why the fuck do you pray?' And THAT query is met with blank stares.....its not that difficult to stump a religious nutjob.....

O.K. a religious nut job I give you that! LOL! But as for those of us who believe in a God, and don't have all the answers, but unlike you blame all the bad stuff on a God you see as imaginary to begin with, or if not you blaming them the religious nut jobs afore mentioned... Those of us without all the answers have to ask you why ? (Look above for my free will definition) I can give you what I think, but of course all things are not revealed to me. I don't know the will of God. Now............to ask you the same questions...........why? Why exist only to exist for a painful horrible life for an innocent child? Would not euthenasia seem humane? If a horse would suffer if it breaks it's leg why would you keep it alive to suffer? Why should they be allowed to live in pain?