The Joseph R Biden Presidential Thread

[Andrew]

Special counsel won’t pursue charges against Biden because he’s to fragile with a poor memory. He’s okay to run America through

Seriously between dealing with Joe and Donald it’s like American citizens are being forced to step in either cat or dog shit. Regardless of which one you step in it’s going to stink.

The choice is between a really old (too old) good guy with a bad memory or a really old (too old) treasonous sphincter.

How can you say Joe is a good guy? He broke the law just like Trump did. That’s just with the classified intelligence. Who knows what other skeletons he has in his closet.

Both are to old and both are criminals. Neither should be running for office, unless it’s in the retirement home community.

Currently the courts have 91 indictments against Trump and zero against Biden. But yeah, they both should be put out to pasture.

[Monker]

Special counsel won’t pursue charges against Biden because he’s to fragile with a poor memory. He’s okay to run America through

Seriously between dealing with Joe and Donald it’s like American citizens are being forced to step in either cat or dog shit. Regardless of which one you step in it’s going to stink.

The choice is between a really old (too old) good guy with a bad memory or a really old (too old) treasonous sphincter.

How can you say Joe is a good guy? He broke the law just like Trump did. That’s just with the classified intelligence. Who knows what other skeletons he has in his closet.

Both are to old and both are criminals. Neither should be running for office, unless it’s in the retirement home community.

He did not do anything "just like Trump did." Trump lied and delayed in handing ANYTHING back to the government. He forced his attorneys to lie. He refused to cooperate to the point where they had to search his property. He then made up bullshit about his brain declassifying stuff, lying to the public that this all declassified. This is why Trump was indicted, and NOT Biden. Equating the two is just your attempt to try to normalize Trump's actions. They are NOT normal.

Biden "broke the law" in the same way Pence did, and neither should have been indicted like Trump.

[Monker]

Special counsel won’t pursue charges against Biden because he’s to fragile with a poor memory. He’s okay to run America through

Seriously between dealing with Joe and Donald it’s like American citizens are being forced to step in either cat or dog shit. Regardless of which one you step in it’s going to stink.

What Biden inherited was a country literally rioting in the streets, a pandemic killing thousands every day, an economy that was tanking, and government with the Executive branch engaging in rebellion and doing whatever it could to stay in power.

Whether you agree with his methods or not, Covid is more or less under control, I have not heard of any major rioting, the economy is FOURISHING better than it ever did under Trump, and those who engaged in rebellion are either in jail or indicted and waiting trial - and that include Donald Judas Trump.

So, you may think he is old...but he has governed better than what Trump did during his four years and America is in a MUCH better place.

[Andrew]

They are NOT normal.

Nothing Drumpf does is normal. I'm all for people having conservative beliefs etc...but how can this masquerading fool convince so many people he is actually for "them". Dangerous narcissist. The whole world will be better off with this Russian asset is long gone.

[Aaron]

Mac, you have to let the personality go and look at the results. Inflation under biden is killing average Americans make 60k. Real costs have increased 60% under biden and the average joe is struggling.

You have heard the term keep your friends close and your enemies closer haven't you? I would manage foreign adversaries similarly to Trump. Just because you're friendly doesn't mean you're in their camp.

They are NOT normal.

Nothing Drumpf does is normal. I'm all for people having conservative beliefs etc...but how can this masquerading fool convince so many people he is actually for "them". Dangerous narcissist. The whole world will be better off with this Russian asset is long gone.

[Andrew]

Inflation is back to normal levels. Employment is up, the economy is up, stock market is up. Turn off Fox News.

[Aaron]

I don't watch Fox News, news for stupid people. The market has just now recovered from 3 years ago. The facts are prices are still 60% more than they were 3 years ago here. You should look at the data and facts.

Inflation is back to normal levels. Employment is up, the economy is up, stock market is up. Turn off Fox News.

[Monker]

I don't watch Fox News, news for stupid people. The market has just now recovered from 3 years ago. The facts are prices are still 60% more than they were 3 years ago here. You should look at the data and facts.

Inflation is back to normal levels. Employment is up, the economy is up, stock market is up. Turn off Fox News.

What are you talking about? There was no huge market loss in 2021.
The market "crash" of 2020 was recovered by early 2021.

My IRA (which I do not contribute to) has gains of 10% over the last three years...which amounts to tens of thousands of dollars for me...and it is only 60% in stock and the rest in less risky investments. If people have their 401k's and other retirement accounts invested correctly, they will see a HUGE increase...it would be VERY obvious how the market has performed over the last 3yrs.

The very reason the markets are hitting record highs is because inflation is under control, job creation is larger than expected, and the Fed may start cutting interest rates....which are frankly not THAT high to begin with, IMO...back in the 90's the Fed had rates at 7 - 9%, THAT is high. The economy is stronger right now than it ever was under Trump. Yes, prices have not decreased but wage increases (%5) are now out pacing inflation (3.1%, which is very low) so it is becoming less and less of an issue. Cost of living ALWAYS goes up...so saying things like "prices are up 60% from two years ago" is meaningless if you do not look at inflation VS wage increases. If wages are out pacing inflation then those prices are more affordable and are not felt.

You really need to research what you are talking about....the economy is a HUGE win for Democrats and a huge negative for Trump, assuming he actually wins the nomination and is able to stay on the ballot, and can stay out of jail. You make it sound like the economy is bad and people are struggling. That is simply an exaggeration and not true.

[Aaron]

Man you have to see it for you. Look at the COVID drop, it's there. Then look at the Biden drop in mid 2021 and it didn't recover until recently. That was what I'm talking about. I do find you a right fighter and not really open to information, you just want to win. I'm good with that, you win.

[Monker]

Man you have to see it for you. Look at the COVID drop, it's there. Then look at the Biden drop in mid 2021 and it didn't recover until recently. That was what I'm talking about. I do find you a right fighter and not really open to information, you just want to win. I'm good with that, you win.

No, it's not "fighting the right". It is correcting this invented history that you are posting. There was no huge "Biden drop" in 2021. Here is a DOW history chart that shows the crash in early 2020. Then, it was posting a record high in December 2021. 2021 was a GOOD YEAR for the markets. That is a simple PROVABLE fact. Then in 2022 the DOW went through a series of loses due to inflation and rising interest rates. THAT is what it recovered from late last year (as shown in the chart)...because inflation is low and interest rates have been steady and may be cut soon. If interest rates are cut, the DOW will jump into the 40,000's very quickly.

https://www.5yearcharts.com/wp-content/ ... nes-5y.png

And, if I look at the history in my IRA from March 2021 to today, I have made $90,000 in gains. If Biden wins a second term, I should end up with at least a million dollars in my IRA alone...and I can easily retire at 62. I have no confidence of where the markets will be under Trump because he is so erratic.

The scare now is if Republicans in the House decide to shut down the government. THAT will cause a huge market crash...and cost Republicans a ton of support heading into the election...and not just the Presidency...Democrats should easily win back the House if MAGA is dumb enough to pull this stunt.

[Aaron]

You are on thin ice Jake Paul and writing checks your ass can't cash. Here's what I'm talking about. I'm not sure what your deal is sir but that is twice you've called me liar without justification. I'm not impressed however, it seems to be what weak minded people do, call names when you can't back up your shit. And I spelled it out for you and can't upload the file to show. Look at the sp500 in Mar-2020, the Covid drop; and then in Jan-2022, the impact of the Biden administration. It's only now recovered with prices 60% higher than 3 years ago.

Man you have to see it for you. Look at the COVID drop, it's there. Then look at the Biden drop in mid 2021 and it didn't recover until recently. That was what I'm talking about. I do find you a right fighter and not really open to information, you just want to win. I'm good with that, you win.

No, it's not "fighting the right". It is correcting this invented history that you are posting. There was no huge "Biden drop" in 2021. Here is a DOW history chart that shows the crash in early 2020. Then, it was posting a record high in December 2021. 2021 was a GOOD YEAR for the markets. That is a simple PROVABLE fact. Then in 2022 the DOW went through a series of loses due to inflation and rising interest rates. THAT is what it recovered from late last year (as shown in the chart)...because inflation is low and interest rates have been steady and may be cut soon. If interest rates are cut, the DOW will jump into the 40,000's very quickly.

https://www.5yearcharts.com/wp-content/ ... nes-5y.png

And, if I look at the history in my IRA from March 2021 to today, I have made $90,000 in gains. If Biden wins a second term, I should end up with at least a million dollars in my IRA alone...and I can easily retire at 62. I have no confidence of where the markets will be under Trump because he is so erratic.

The scare now is if Republicans in the House decide to shut down the government. THAT will cause a huge market crash...and cost Republicans a ton of support heading into the election...and not just the Presidency...Democrats should easily win back the House if MAGA is dumb enough to pull this stunt.

[Andrew]

Mac, you have to let the personality go and look at the results. Inflation under biden is killing average Americans make 60k. Real costs have increased 60% under biden and the average joe is struggling.

You have heard the term keep your friends close and your enemies closer haven't you? I would manage foreign adversaries similarly to Trump. Just because you're friendly doesn't mean you're in their camp.

The "personality" wants to sell out Europe to Putin and exact revenge on anyone who has wronged him. Both things will bite America in the ass if you choose to look 5 minutes ahead of yourself.

Secondly - your claims about Biden and inflation are simply incorrect. Not true.

[Aaron]

Sir you can believe that but I live here. I can run the math when I go to the fucking store here and it's fact, whether you want to believe it or not. Why would we GAF about Europe? What have they done for us? Nothing, just like Australia. We don't need you but you need us. So why don't you pay? We all know, it all about free money. The only thing saving us is we still have guns and we will use them if required.

Mac, you have to let the personality go and look at the results. Inflation under biden is killing average Americans make 60k. Real costs have increased 60% under biden and the average joe is struggling.

You have heard the term keep your friends close and your enemies closer haven't you? I would manage foreign adversaries similarly to Trump. Just because you're friendly doesn't mean you're in their camp.

The "personality" wants to sell out Europe to Putin and exact revenge on anyone who has wronged him. Both things will bite America in the ass if you choose to look 5 minutes ahead of yourself.

Secondly - your claims about Biden and inflation are simply incorrect. Not true.

[Aaron]

So where is the smartest person on the planet Monker?

You are on thin ice Jake Paul and writing checks your ass can't cash. Here's what I'm talking about. I'm not sure what your deal is sir but that is twice you've called me liar without justification. I'm not impressed however, it seems to be what weak minded people do, call names when you can't back up your shit. And I spelled it out for you and can't upload the file to show. Look at the sp500 in Mar-2020, the Covid drop; and then in Jan-2022, the impact of the Biden administration. It's only now recovered with prices 60% higher than 3 years ago.

Man you have to see it for you. Look at the COVID drop, it's there. Then look at the Biden drop in mid 2021 and it didn't recover until recently. That was what I'm talking about. I do find you a right fighter and not really open to information, you just want to win. I'm good with that, you win.

No, it's not "fighting the right". It is correcting this invented history that you are posting. There was no huge "Biden drop" in 2021. Here is a DOW history chart that shows the crash in early 2020. Then, it was posting a record high in December 2021. 2021 was a GOOD YEAR for the markets. That is a simple PROVABLE fact. Then in 2022 the DOW went through a series of loses due to inflation and rising interest rates. THAT is what it recovered from late last year (as shown in the chart)...because inflation is low and interest rates have been steady and may be cut soon. If interest rates are cut, the DOW will jump into the 40,000's very quickly.

https://www.5yearcharts.com/wp-content/ ... nes-5y.png

And, if I look at the history in my IRA from March 2021 to today, I have made $90,000 in gains. If Biden wins a second term, I should end up with at least a million dollars in my IRA alone...and I can easily retire at 62. I have no confidence of where the markets will be under Trump because he is so erratic.

The scare now is if Republicans in the House decide to shut down the government. THAT will cause a huge market crash...and cost Republicans a ton of support heading into the election...and not just the Presidency...Democrats should easily win back the House if MAGA is dumb enough to pull this stunt.

[Andrew]

Why would we GAF about Europe? What have they done for us? Nothing, just like Australia.

That's a fairly typical RW American view. Always focused inwards, when the reality is, since the invention of the airplane, the world is more connected than ever and in need of a united front against aggression.

Australia bailed the US out countless time in Vietnam, not to mention WW2, but don't take my word for it.

[Pelata]

Why would we GAF about Europe? What have they done for us? Nothing, just like Australia.

That's a fairly typical RW American view. Always focused inwards, when the reality is, since the invention of the airplane, the world is more connected than ever and in need of a united front against aggression.

Australia bailed the US out countless time in Vietnam, not to mention WW2, but don't take my word for it.

Exactly.

Wow.

[Monker]

So where is the smartest person on the planet Monker?

I have absolutely no idea where the smartest person on planet Monker is. But, I had no idea there was a planet named after me. Thanks for letting me know.

[Monker]

I had never called you liar. But, I am now - stop making that type of shit up and lying about it.

Yes, there was drop in the markets in 2020, and that was made up by the end of the year...the market, DOW and S&P 500, closed 2020 higher than when it started. There is no big drop for 2021. That is completely untrue. You are obviously willfully ignorant about the history of the market and refuse to look at reality. Then you mix "prices" into the conversation. Inflation has not been an issue since the end of the third quarter last year. Prices have not dropped, some of that is corporate greed...however, wages are outpacing inflation and unemployment has been low for years now so it is not as big of an issue as you are making it. All you are doing is echoing Republican bullshit.

You are on thin ice Jake Paul and writing checks your ass can't cash. Here's what I'm talking about. I'm not sure what your deal is sir but that is twice you've called me liar without justification. I'm not impressed however, it seems to be what weak minded people do, call names when you can't back up your shit. And I spelled it out for you and can't upload the file to show. Look at the sp500 in Mar-2020, the Covid drop; and then in Jan-2022, the impact of the Biden administration. It's only now recovered with prices 60% higher than 3 years ago.

Man you have to see it for you. Look at the COVID drop, it's there. Then look at the Biden drop in mid 2021 and it didn't recover until recently. That was what I'm talking about. I do find you a right fighter and not really open to information, you just want to win. I'm good with that, you win.

No, it's not "fighting the right". It is correcting this invented history that you are posting. There was no huge "Biden drop" in 2021. Here is a DOW history chart that shows the crash in early 2020. Then, it was posting a record high in December 2021. 2021 was a GOOD YEAR for the markets. That is a simple PROVABLE fact. Then in 2022 the DOW went through a series of loses due to inflation and rising interest rates. THAT is what it recovered from late last year (as shown in the chart)...because inflation is low and interest rates have been steady and may be cut soon. If interest rates are cut, the DOW will jump into the 40,000's very quickly.

https://www.5yearcharts.com/wp-content/ ... nes-5y.png

And, if I look at the history in my IRA from March 2021 to today, I have made $90,000 in gains. If Biden wins a second term, I should end up with at least a million dollars in my IRA alone...and I can easily retire at 62. I have no confidence of where the markets will be under Trump because he is so erratic.

The scare now is if Republicans in the House decide to shut down the government. THAT will cause a huge market crash...and cost Republicans a ton of support heading into the election...and not just the Presidency...Democrats should easily win back the House if MAGA is dumb enough to pull this stunt.

[Pelata]

Biden didn't try to overthrow the government. He has that going for him.

[Aaron]

I don't and we appreciate it. My point is that we don't need other but you need us. And I'm all about helping others once we help ourselves. That is the gap sir.

Why would we GAF about Europe? What have they done for us? Nothing, just like Australia.

That's a fairly typical RW American view. Always focused inwards, when the reality is, since the invention of the airplane, the world is more connected than ever and in need of a united front against aggression.

Australia bailed the US out countless time in Vietnam, not to mention WW2, but don't take my word for it.

[Aaron]

Uh huh, but we know you'll be in there with your opinion without facts and bias.

So where is the smartest person on the planet Monker?

I have absolutely no idea where the smartest person on planet Monker is. But, I had no idea there was a planet named after me. Thanks for letting me know.

[Aaron]

Naw, you just decide to ignore the facts to support your agenda. If you look at the indexes I'm right, but you will continue to claim victory based on your ideology that is not based on facts. I am not ignorant, I look at data and facts which you obviously do not. I have a 4.0 masters in engineering and I'm ignorant. I bet you didn't graduate high school but you might have been on the debate team. You talk about inflation but ignore the facts. Inflation is the increase of prices of goods, just because it reduces doesn't mean prices are reducing, they are still that high and increasing higher. Prices at the store are 50% than 3 year ago. You claim victory with your inflation is under control but it changes nothing on pricing vs. 3 years ago for the average person you arrogant fuck.

[Aaron]

LOL, when it stolen and you watch it real time, it's justified. And when the police let people in while I watched it real time and now it's the incerection. LOL People need to get read when it gets real.

Biden didn't try to overthrow the government. He has that going for him.

[Aaron]

your omniscient arrogant approach would suggest otherwise.

So where is the smartest person on the planet Monker?

I have absolutely no idea where the smartest person on planet Monker is. But, I had no idea there was a planet named after me. Thanks for letting me know.

[Andrew]

LOL, when it stolen and you watch it real time, it's justified. And when the police let people in while I watched it real time and now it's the incerection. LOL People need to get read when it gets real.

Biden didn't try to overthrow the government. He has that going for him.

There is no proof whatsoever of election fraud. To claim this just makes others question the intelligence of those claiming such.

[Pelata]

LOL, when it stolen and you watch it real time, it's justified. And when the police let people in while I watched it real time and now it's the incerection. LOL People need to get read when it gets real.

Biden didn't try to overthrow the government. He has that going for him.

As Andrew stated, there has been ZERO evidence that any election fraud happened anywhere.

And it's "insurrection". It happened. I watched it. GOP & Trump egged on a crowd already overstuffed with bullshit and got them to raise some hell. The fact that you're denying that and saying the people breaking windows and chanting "Hang Mike Pence" were somehow allowed in tells me you are just as fooled as they are.

[Monker]

your omniscient arrogant approach would suggest otherwise.

Oh, sorry, perhaps your advanced degree did not include a class on how write proper English.

[Monker]

LOL, when it stolen and you watch it real time, it's justified. And when the police let people in while I watched it real time and now it's the incerection. LOL People need to get read when it gets real.

You are lying about watching police letting people in the capital. The chief of the capital police even testified under oath that this type of talk was a lie and insulting. Not that it was mentioned here, but nobody let the Shaman dude in, the officer who shadowed him constantly asked him to leave, and when he entered the House chambers he was again asked to leave multiple times. NOBODY was invited in that night.

NOTHING justifies attacking congress and the US Constitution...and that is exactly what this was. EVERYBODY who entered the capital that afternoon should be in jail. 200yrs ago, they may have even faced execution for treason. Maybe such a punishment would make it "real" for you and everybody else who makes ridiculous statements like you just did.

[Monker]

Naw, you just decide to ignore the facts to support your agenda. If you look at the indexes I'm right

First you talk about the "market", which in a broad sense is represented by the DOW. So, I posted a link to a chart that shows you are wrong. Then you post about the S&P 500. Well, the same charts say the same thing about the S&P 500. So, you are still wrong. Now you are saying "indexes". What the fuck does that mean? The CPI? Inflation. I already pointed out that inflation did not hit until 2022 and has not been an issue since the third quarter of last year. It is not something we only "recently" are overcoming...it's been six months.

You are just all over the place, grasping at straws, spewing "facts" that are simply wrong, and then changing your game and posting more wrong bullshit.

YOU show some evidence because you OBVIOUSLY have NO CLUE what you are talking about and are just blindly repeating bullshit you hear from right wing propaganda.

but you will continue to claim victory based on your ideology that is not based on facts.

Bullshit. I posted the history of the DOW. The S&P 500 is the same. It PROVES you are wrong.

YOU need to post some evidence for your wild bullshit claims of what the market has done.

I am not ignorant, I look at data and facts which you obviously do not.

Bullshit. You have not posted a single piece of data that backs up your "facts" about the market. You are willfully ignorant because you ignore the facts when they are put right in front of you.

I have a 4.0 masters in engineering and I'm ignorant.

YES, you seem completely ignorant of what the market has done the past few years. Your advanced degree obviously did not include any education on how to look at market history. In fact, it is pretty irrelevant when any question of the stock market, or even economics comes up.

I bet you didn't graduate high school but you might have been on the debate team.

Irrelevant.

You talk about inflation but ignore the facts. Inflation is the increase of prices of goods, just because it reduces doesn't mean prices are reducing, they are still that high and increasing higher.

Did your advanced degree include ANY basic math class? How hard is it to understand that if inflation is at 3.5% but wages increase by 5% that the wage increase trump inflation because people are able to buy more? How hard is it to understand that if unemployment drop that more people are working and more people can afford to buy more and that makes inflation irrelevant? These are VERY basic concepts.
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Here is a graph that PROVES what I am saying:
https://econofact.org/wp-content/upload ... esktop.png

And, part of the article that goes along with it:

When inflation is coming down, but is still positive, prices will continue to be higher, albeit at a slower rate of increase. All else equal, this would erode people’s purchasing power, but wages tend to rise with prices and living standards increase over time – one indicator of this fact is that real (price-adjusted) national income per person was $67,036 in the third quarter of 2023 (expressed in 2017 prices), six percent larger than its value of $63,227 in the first quarter of 2021.

[Aaron]

Sir that is the omniscient position to take but it's inaccurate. I watched votes go backward as they were counted real time. I watched step changes in vote counts that were impossible. You can watch all the "news" you want and believe that but I watched it real time.

LOL, when it stolen and you watch it real time, it's justified. And when the police let people in while I watched it real time and now it's the incerection. LOL People need to get read when it gets real.

Biden didn't try to overthrow the government. He has that going for him.

There is no proof whatsoever of election fraud. To claim this just makes others question the intelligence of those claiming such.