Batman V Superman: Dawn of Justice THREAD

[YoungJRNYfan]

LOL...he has no "role". He pops out of a cave and you expect him to say, "Release the Kraken!" and instead he takes his trident and stabs the camera that is filming him. And, that's it. It's ludicrous to call that a "role".

We've said for a LONG time that the JL would have cameo's; not roles. Besides, to the author's defense, this article was way before BvS came out. Snyder was just defending Aquaman himself. These are just possible connections to the JLP1 story.

[YoungJRNYfan]

[verslibre]

It is also not me who is setting the mark so high for BvS. It is WB who said if it doesn't make a billion it will be a disappointment.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-batman-v-superman-880012

"We're not concerned with the drop," said Warners domestic distribution chief Jeff Goldstein. "No matter how you slice it, to get to $52 million on any given weekend is an enormous accomplishment. We’re most focused on where we are in total. And our global number is huge."

[verslibre]

And, they cheered because the most boring first 2/3 of a film ever was over and they could wake up and somewhat enjoy themselves.

You're no fun. You don't like sprinkles on your donut.

So you saw the movie?

[RedWingFan]

And, they cheered because the most boring first 2/3 of a film ever was over and they could wake up and somewhat enjoy themselves.

This is funny, because for the most part it's true.
Except for the audience cheering part. They only cheered for the cop with the shot gun at my showing.

[RedWingFan]

What on Earth is that concept art for on the wall? Could it be...

Is Patrick from Spongebob going to make an appearance in Aquaman?

[YoungJRNYfan]

^Lmao!

[YoungJRNYfan]

And, they cheered because the most boring first 2/3 of a film ever was over and they could wake up and somewhat enjoy themselves.

This is funny, because for the most part it's true.
Except for the audience cheering part. They only cheered for the cop with the shot gun at my showing.

Damn! Your audience must of been filled with hard asses lol. My audience laughed at all the right spots. They laughed when Lex pushed that Red Green Rancher in that dudes mouth. They laughed at Lex's speech when he was getting frustrated "Thank you for coming." They laughed at Perry White's "clicks his heals to Kansas" and "water....wet" line. They certainly laughed at a jar of piss and then Batman's "I'm a friend of your sons" and Martha's "The cape" line. Cheers for Wonder Woman and crying at the end. 2 of my 4 audiences only clapped slightly at the end, but it's a somber ending. Nobody should be running out of there doing cartwheels lol. I've had good crowds.

[YoungJRNYfan]

It is also not me who is setting the mark so high for BvS. It is WB who said if it doesn't make a billion it will be a disappointment.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-batman-v-superman-880012

"We're not concerned with the drop," said Warners domestic distribution chief Jeff Goldstein. "No matter how you slice it, to get to $52 million on any given weekend is an enormous accomplishment. We’re most focused on where we are in total. And our global number is huge."

Fandago reported repeat viewings are strong. Very strong. People are going back. The Rotten Tomato and bad reviews, though are the ones that kept most of the GA away and that was expected. To do a 28% splat on RT and reviews; devoid of humor; dark; moody; broody and somber that doesn't cater to the kids, let alone a movie where the two most iconic hero's are fighting coming off a story in Man of Steel that was ALSO divisive? The global number is all they need to see. It's a great number with room to grow. It's easy fix's to add humor and lighten it up to cater to the binkie critics and crowd.We'll get there!

[RedWingFan]

It is also not me who is setting the mark so high for BvS. It is WB who said if it doesn't make a billion it will be a disappointment.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-batman-v-superman-880012

"We're not concerned with the drop," said Warners domestic distribution chief Jeff Goldstein. "No matter how you slice it, to get to $52 million on any given weekend is an enormous accomplishment. We’re most focused on where we are in total. And our global number is huge."

Fandago reported repeat viewings are strong. Very strong. People are going back. The Rotten Tomato and bad reviews, though are the ones that kept most of the GA away and that was expected. To do a 28% splat on RT and reviews; devoid of humor; dark; moody; broody and somber that doesn't cater to the kids, let alone a movie where the two most iconic hero's are fighting coming off a story in Man of Steel that was ALSO divisive? The global number is all they need to see. It's a great number with room to grow. It's easy fix's to add humor and lighten it up to cater to the binkie critics and crowd.We'll get there!

Yeah, all of that went over like a lead balloon.

Repeats must be really strong. A 68% drop after opening weekend with no competition. http://www.joblo.com/movie-news/weekend ... 3-2016-271

I'm dreading going to sit through it again. Thinking I should take my dad who is in end stage heart failure and isn't expected to make it through the year. Maybe I can nap through the first half of it like I did the 2nd viewing of Thor 2. Lol

[YoungJRNYfan]

Fandago reported the ticket sales are 30% higher than the normal blockbuster, so repeat viewings are strong. The people who have seen it are going back. The General Audience, though, are turned off by the reviews. I talked to one of my buddies last night and asked if he saw it yet and he said "I haven't. Only because I don't want to be disappointed." So there's that. Can't control how people feel or the box office. It's obvious WB/DC needs a critical darling and a better aim at the wider audience. I think it's natural we'll get there, but as long as it doesn't take a turn for the worst in humor and unnecessary banter. I can see brightening it up, but I still want the themes and tones to stick out and be different.

And sorry to hear about your Dad, RWF. Take all the time needed to enjoy your time with him.

[verslibre]

Is Patrick from Spongebob going to make an appearance in Aquaman?

How can anyone confuse Patrick with the Travelocity Gnome?

[YoungJRNYfan]

"Patrick, you HAVE to listen to me. I'm sorry. I was wrong. It's Squidward..."

*WATER SPLASH TO THE FACE*

"You don't...UNDERSTAND. We don't have time. Save Sandy!"

[verslibre]

The problem is Cavill. They've should recast with Charlie Sheen.

[YoungJRNYfan]

The problem is Cavill. They've should recast with Charlie Sheen.

I can see that. I mean, he has the spit curl! It's not Superman unless he has the spitcurl. But now that I think it of it, Charlie Sheen and spit in one sentence probably means something totally different.....

[verslibre]

He does that thing with his eyebrow, too.

[verslibre]

Fandago reported the ticket sales are 30% higher than the normal blockbuster, so repeat viewings are strong. The people who have seen it are going back. The General Audience, though, are turned off by the reviews. I talked to one of my buddies last night and asked if he saw it yet and he said "I haven't. Only because I don't want to be disappointed."

That's the messed-up chain reaction the SHH fools continue to perpetuate. "If we just keep telling everyone it sucks...fewer people will see it! Then they'll replace Snyder!"

Unfortunately, some people listen. Or they wait. Or they wait too long and don't go at all, and later watch it on DVD and think "I should've caught this in the theater!"

Were I WB, I would've only released the initial teaser, the Comic Con trailer and the final trailer (with a few select glimpses of Wonder Woman, and a bunch of Bat-action). I'm glad I didn't watch the last trailer, because it showed key footage (but nowhere near all of it) from the warehouse scene, but that was more than enough to put asses in seats. That would have at least neutralized all the complainers who say Doomsday shouldn't have been the villain, and the fallout that went with it.

[YoungJRNYfan]

Fandago reported the ticket sales are 30% higher than the normal blockbuster, so repeat viewings are strong. The people who have seen it are going back. The General Audience, though, are turned off by the reviews. I talked to one of my buddies last night and asked if he saw it yet and he said "I haven't. Only because I don't want to be disappointed."

That's the messed-up chain reaction the SHH fools continue to perpetuate. "If we just keep telling everyone it sucks...fewer people will see it! Then they'll replace Snyder!"

Unfortunately, some people listen. Or they wait. Or they wait too long and don't go at all, and later watch it on DVD and think "I should've caught this in the theater!"

Were I WB, I would've only released the initial teaser, the Comic Con trailer and the final trailer (with a few select glimpses of Wonder Woman, and a bunch of Bat-action). I'm glad I didn't watch the last trailer, because it showed key footage (but nowhere near all of it) from the warehouse scene, but that was more than enough to put asses in seats. That would have at least neutralized all the complainers who say Doomsday shouldn't have been the villain, and the fallout that went with it.

This about sums it up:

The only people that I've spoken to that had really bad things to say about the film...hadn't watched it yet.

[verslibre]

I'm dreading going to sit through it again. Thinking I should take my dad who is in end stage heart failure and isn't expected to make it through the year. Maybe I can nap through the first half of it like I did the 2nd viewing of Thor 2. Lol

Sorry to hear that, RWF. I went through that with my dad. Spend all the time with him you can.

[verslibre]

The only people that I've spoken to that had really bad things to say about the film...hadn't watched it yet.

Amen.

[Monker]

Fandago reported the ticket sales are 30% higher than the normal blockbuster, so repeat viewings are strong. The people who have seen it are going back. The General Audience, though, are turned off by the reviews. I talked to one of my buddies last night and asked if he saw it yet and he said "I haven't. Only because I don't want to be disappointed."

That's the messed-up chain reaction the SHH fools continue to perpetuate. "If we just keep telling everyone it sucks...fewer people will see it! Then they'll replace Snyder!"

Unfortunately, some people listen. Or they wait. Or they wait too long and don't go at all, and later watch it on DVD and think "I should've caught this in the theater!"

Were I WB, I would've only released the initial teaser, the Comic Con trailer and the final trailer (with a few select glimpses of Wonder Woman, and a bunch of Bat-action). I'm glad I didn't watch the last trailer, because it showed key footage (but nowhere near all of it) from the warehouse scene, but that was more than enough to put asses in seats. That would have at least neutralized all the complainers who say Doomsday shouldn't have been the villain, and the fallout that went with it.

It's obvious to me that WB was worried about this exact reaction. IMO, the rumor of the negative feedback from screenings was true. What they should have done was to do very early screenings and then recut or ever reshot the first half of the movie (anything prior to Doomsday) so it was actually entertaining.

[verslibre]

How'd you like that warehouse fight?

[YoungJRNYfan]

I thought Snyder did a good job. He had a lot on his plate and he delivered enough to have the huge 3rd act Trinity battle/ Superman's death pay off. So much so, that people were sniffling at the end. That means people bought it. And if people cheered Wonder Woman, that means people invested in her character development as well, so another win.

I was entertained throughout the movie. I can see where some scenes needed levity and how the pacing was choppy, but Snyder really brought home the notion of how Affleck's Bruce Wayne and Batman was tortured and a broken man. His scenes with Alfred were uber dark. Snyder hit the right tones. If people want to say it's boring, so be it. Snyder established a new Batman not named Christian Bale and it stuck as something that stood completely on its own. Not an easy task.

Batman's first scene with the cops was entertaining. Lex's dinner party had me on the edge of my seat with Clark listening in on their conversation. That entire scene was nicely done. The warehouse fight had a lot of people giddy and people laughing when he saved Martha is proof something clicked.

The acting throughout was phenomenal. There were a ton of setups; a lot to balance but the themes that needed to carry on from Man of Steel still needed to be orchestrated in order to build the platform. It's not a fist-pumping fun movie so don't go see it if you want a Marvel-esq; Disney force feed of a laugh out loud good time. It's not that and it doesn't try to be that. The movie hit a lot of personal cravings for me and even if you hated it, it set up future movies that people invested in and want to see. If it was going to miss, atleast it hit in the right spots as far as future DC films is concerned.

[verslibre]

Yeah, notice there are no complaints about the acting, really. I thought Gal did great, too, and she's by far the least seasoned actor.

I think it's a badass movie. It addresses stuff for which people issued myriad complaints in the wake of MoS, like massive battles in populated areas (this time it's an empty industrial complex) and Superman not taking the battle away from Earth* — he did, but they nuked him.

*Zod punched Superman away from and back to Earth in MoS, IIRC. I've seen people saying Supes brought it back to Earth.

If I could change just one thing, it'd be Doomsday's overall look at the beginning.

Oh, and make that warehouse fight an hour long!

[YoungJRNYfan]

Batman v Superman Isn't Like Other Superhero Films, And That's Why It's Great
http://kotaku.com/batman-v-superman-isn ... 1768676827

[YoungJRNYfan]

Batman v Superman (or BvS for short) is a beautiful antidote for our addiction to the comical superhero film. It is a bleak, confident take on DC’s roster of superheroes that doesn’t fit them into a comfortable framework. Instead, it is a film that gives us characters with motivations and feelings and expects us to come along for a discomforting ride.

BvS, much like Snyder’s Man of Steel, takes itself very seriously. It attempts to balance a wide cast of characters with an engaging spring blockbuster story, and there have been many gleeful attacks that assert that Snyder just wasn’t able to hit the mark when it comes to constructing a story that people might actually enjoy. I believe that a lot of those bad feelings are coming from a mismeasure of fans expectations of superhero films versus the kind of story that Zack Snyder is interested in telling.

[Abitaman]

Didn't MOS do great DVD dales? A lot better than expected?

[YoungJRNYfan]

Yea, Abitman. Man of Steel was released in November of 2013 and ended up being one of the best selling DVD'S of 2013 in only 2 months of release. Head to head with the superhero genre, it beat out Iron Man 3 in sales (twice the margin) and The Wolverine. Man of Steel brought in over $100 million in DVD sales ($106,963,286.) A huge success.

[Monker]

I thought Snyder did a good job. He had a lot on his plate and he delivered enough to have the huge 3rd act Trinity battle/ Superman's death pay off.

Oh, come on. He did not do his job when 2/3 of the movie isn't worth seeing.

He had a choice. Either ignore back story and getting people to care about the characters and try to get right into the action sooner, or spend time getting us to care and tell us who these characters are. He chose to try to get people to care. Poor Superman is being persecuted. Poor Batman is old and grumpy . Then get these characters that we care about to fight each other, by Lex's manipulation.

I predicted this storyline months ago.

The problem is that Snyder did a HORRIBLE job getting us to give a shit about EITHER of these characters. So, by the time they had their 10 minute fight scene, nobody really cared...except that it was at least some action in a pretty boring movie up to that point.

NO matter what he did he was going to end up with a bad movie....but what he did do made a bad movie even worse.

So much so, that people were sniffling at the end. That means people bought it. And if people cheered Wonder Woman, that means people invested in her character development as well, so another win.

I think you are over estimating this reaction. I bet just as many people walked out before Wonder Woman showed up as the number who cheered.

Snyder really brought home the notion of how Affleck's Bruce Wayne and Batman was tortured and a broken man.

No he didn't. That is just not true. Most of that shit was inexplicable, unless you already knew what he was going for. So, Batman has taken to torturing and branding people so they are murdered in prison...that is more disturbing and "WTF" worthy then showing Batman is a tortured sole himself. In fact, I say it is shock drama, ala breaking Zod's neck, and lazy writing.

The acting throughout was phenomenal.

PHENOMENAL? Come down to reality.

There were a ton of setups; a lot to balance but the themes that needed to carry on from Man of Steel still needed to be orchestrated in order to build the platform. It's not a fist-pumping fun movie so don't go see it if you want a Marvel-esq;

"Marvel-esq" is not the point. This is far away from being "The Dark Night-esq". It is more "Nighwatch-esq". That may be OK, but not for a film that touts "The Son of Krypton vs. The Bat of Gotham". It did not meet those expectations...expectations that DC/Marvel, Snyder, and people like you set. A comparison to Marvel is unnecessary.

Disney force feed of a laugh out loud good time.

When it is appropriate, yes they do. For things like Ant-Man and Guardians of the Galaxy - it makes sense. When it comes to Tony Stark - it makes sense. But, I will not expect "force feed" for Civil War or Doctor Strange, probably not even Black Panther. But, for a second Guardians or Ant-Man - I do expect it. In fact, any film that has Tony Stark in it is going to have some one-liners, because that is how his character rolls.

It's not that and it doesn't try to be that. The movie hit a lot of personal cravings for me and even if you hated it, it set up future movies that people invested in and want to see. If it was going to miss, atleast it hit in the right spots as far as future DC films is concerned.

The only future DC film it hit for was Wonder Woman...and MAYBE Justice League, because it cameoed so many of the characters. If they cameoed the Wonder Twins, maybe things would have been different.

[verslibre]

Batman v Superman Isn't Like Other Superhero Films, And That's Why It's Great
http://kotaku.com/batman-v-superman-isn ... 1768676827

Perhaps the single best article I've seen on the film. In lieu of reiterating, it's better to just read it.