Van Hager = Rest in Peace

[NealIsGod]

I can't get it, NIG. Give us the rundown on the "Song Slection" and "Last Year's Tour" parts and what he said about the full-length album in '04 if it's not in one of those.

Well, for song selection, he claims he has enought music for 20 or 30 CDs. He also says HE is the ONLY ONE who wanted to release a full album instead of just sticking three new songs on the last greatest Hits set. The DJ says, "So you were outvoted 3 to 1 on making an album?", Eddie kind of sheepishly changes the subject. The DJ says "So Sammy didn't want to make an album?" and Eddie says "Who else is in the band?"

Last Year's Tour - he basically says he wasn't nervous for the first time ever when he would just go off onstage, jamming. He says he was basically "writing on stage". And he says Sammy would be on stage with his electric palm tree and Eddie would be backstage getting, shall we say, serviced...

[Red13JoePa]

Eddie probably DID agree and want a full album, but as Sam said, at Eddie's own leaden crazy perfectionist pace. We heard about III at last 2 years before it finally bowed in 3/98. What the fuck's an electric palm tree

[NealIsGod]

What the fuck's an electric palm tree

I don't know, sounds like Sammy would be talking to the audience using it as a prop. Eddie used the time wisely! :

[Red13JoePa]

Oh, and Kenny!!!!! I forgot to rip "How Many Say I?" my god what a bad song. I stop the ablum at Ballot Or The Bullet. I remember reading the Rolling Stone review and the guy GGGGUUUUSSSSHHHHEEEEDDDDDD over How Many Say I?. He said something like "based on that song, I can't WAIT for Eddie's first solo album." It was like the only song on the album he wrote about. Christ go figure that.

[NealIsGod]

Oh, and Kenny!!!!! I forgot to rip "How Many Say I?" my god what a bad song. I stop the ablum at Ballot Or The Bullet. I remember reading the Rolling Stone review and the guy GGGGUUUUSSSSHHHHEEEEDDDDDD over How Many Say I?. He said something like "based on that song, I can't WAIT for Eddie's first solo album." It was like the only song on the album he wrote about. Christ go figure that.

I always stop the album just before Neworld.

[Red13JoePa]

For some reason I always give new signers a shot and grow to enjoy them. I like Hagar and Cherone. Like Floyyd with just Gilmore on vox. Like Solinger in Skid Row. Like Foreigner w/ Johnny Edwards and look forward to hearing the Kelly Hanson-frotned version of the band. Liked Motley with Corabi on vox. etc, etc. It's a paradox, NealIsGod, how you can totally get the New JRNY lineup but refuse to partake in VHIII. Give that copy of VHIII on your coffee table to your local library and let people people borrow it.

[NealIsGod]

For some reason I always give new signers a shot and grow to enjoy them. I like Hagar and Cherone. Like Floyyd with just Gilmore on vox. Like Solinger in Skid Row. Like Foreigner w/ Johnny Edwards and look forward to hearing the Kelly Hanson-frotned version of the band. Liked Motley with Corabi on vox. etc, etc. It's a paradox, NealIsGod, how you can totally get the New JRNY lineup but refuse to partake in VHIII. Give that copy of VHIII on your coffee table to your local library and let people people borrow it.

I gave it PLENTY of time to grow on me. If I listen to something for 2 weeks and still HATE it, it ain't gonna grow on me. I usually instantly like music or instantly dislike it. I just listened to Without You, which I haven't heard for many years, and it curdled my coffee. Horrible. Bleah.

[Red13JoePa]

Stop it dude, now you're being silly. that's a #1 song. How About One I Want, Dirty Water Dog or Fire In The Hole (best song on the record, appeared in Leathal Weapon 4. Gibson's a huge VH head).

[NealIsGod]

Stop it dude, now you're being silly. that's a #1 song. How About One I Want, Dirty Water Dog or Fire In The Hole (best song on the record, appeared in Leathal Weapon 4. Gibson's a huge VH head).

I just don't like one song on that record. Sorry. I never liked Extreme, either. He has a good voice, it just doesn't do it for me. Neither does Soto, which is probably why I don't like soul SirkUS. I have to like the singer to like the music.

[Red13JoePa]

SS does not do it for me either. As for Soto, eeeehhhhhhh. he's ok. I hear no Perry or Augeri qualities to that voice, either as some say.

[NealIsGod]

SS does not do it for me either. As for Soto, eeeehhhhhhh. he's ok. I hear no Perry or Augeri qualities to that voice, either as some say.

You know Perry is my favorite singer ever. Sammy is probably #2. Which is strange, considering I prefer the DLR era of VH. But I have always loved Sammy's music and personality.

[jrnyman28]

Eric Abitaman was right. The official word from all involved was that Cherone left in the middle of recording the follow up to III.

I never realized they got that far. I thought it disintergrated right after the tour.

They had actually laid down a few tracks including Left For Dead, which Cherone then took to his new project Tribe Of Judah. Don't like the TOJ album as a whole but Left For Dead clearly was a great tune and the most VHesque on a weird album.

I have always been an Extreme/Cherone fan and I really like TOJ. Never got the CD but liked the clips I heard. Definately different, but in a better way then Extreme's "Waiting For The Punchline".

If he hand't walked on those sessions, Cherone might still be there today.

I doubt that. I have heard some clips of Gary's new solo work and it is SO different now. He is obviously in a different place. He lis doing some almost R&B flavoured stuff now. Check him out on MySpace.

[Rockindeano]

wtf

[Rockindeano]

This is the most action a VH board has ever got!

[Red13JoePa]

Right when I heard Tribe Of Judah (except for Left For Dead), I thought "oh, he's back to doing Waiting For The Punchline stuff," 28.

[jrnyman28]

Right when I heard Tribe Of Judah (except for Left For Dead), I thought "oh, he's back to doing Waiting For The Punchline stuff," 28.

Except I didn't like WFTP and I thought that was moe of Nuno's choosing than the rest of the band. I like TOJ.

[jrnyman28]

It's a shame we have to talk about a certain band on a different board...meanwhile, liking the "other band" too(VH), but sadly, the "other band" is doing absolutely nothing, and the certain band is making new music and touring, yet the board for them is closed...
This sucks..

Deano, "our" board will be back soon enough.

But I am surprised that, even though there were only a few of us on the board, it kept me busy. While all the rest of the boards combined do not keep me busy. And the Styx board may have more posts, but I really think that is ONLY because the Journey Board has been closed twice.

[Abitaman]

It's a shame we have to talk about a certain band on a different board...meanwhile, liking the "other band" too(VH), but sadly, the "other band" is doing absolutely nothing, and the certain band is making new music and touring, yet the board for them is closed...
This sucks..

Deano, "our" board will be back soon enough.

But I am surprised that, even though there were only a few of us on the board, it kept me busy. While all the rest of the boards combined do not keep me busy. And the Styx board may have more posts, but I really think that is ONLY because the Journey Board has been closed twice.

Not to put down our board, but Styx has more posters that get along, so everyone likes talking to each other. Were you, NIG, RED, DEANO, NOBLE and me (if I left anyone out, forgive me, didn't mean to) are the ones that get along and like talking to one another. I MISS YOU GUYS (DO NOT take that the wrong way, and you DO not what way I mean!!!!!!!!!!!)-ERIC

[Red13JoePa]

Don't worry. Deano wil take it the wrong way .
How weird is waitng for the punchline 28

[Fernando Ramirez]

I just don't like one song on that record. Sorry. I never liked Extreme, either. He has a good voice, it just doesn't do it for me. Neither does Soto, which is probably why I don't like soul SirkUS. I have to like the singer to like the music.

Neal:
How could you NOT like Extreme? PORNOGRAPHITTI is incredible, and THREE SIDES TO EVERY STORY is phenomenal. THREE SIDES has really great songs on it.

I was also left wondering WTF with Cherone's VAN HALEN album. It's beyond the pale. Only track worthwhile is DIRTY WATER DOG ... the rest is crap. I still have my copy. And I still can't believe how bad the songwriting is. The lyrics are trite, and most of the album is failed pretentious dung.

I still think that Cherone is a very talented singer... he is not afraid of trying new things. I think that he was trying to do a Freddie Mercury on the album, and put good rockers and good experimental stuff on the album like Queen used to. To bring the music up a notch. But VAN HALEN ended up being the wrong vehicle for that.

I cracked up hearing Eddie blame the producer for how bad the album was. Are we supposed to believe Eddie wasn't there for every lick on the damned album? That Mike Post had control over what was put on tape? Give me a friggin' break.

The first EXTREME album was very Van Halen influenced... some of the tracks are akin to some of White Lion's early VH influenced output. I can see why Eddie wanted Gary in the band.

[mamos]

At least having the OTHER site closed has brought to life a few of the forums that have laid dorment for ages.

Shows we do have interest in other bands when.

NealIsGod wrote:

just don't like one song on that record. Sorry. I never liked Extreme, either. He has a good voice, it just doesn't do it for me. Neither does Soto, which is probably why I don't like soul SirkUS. I have to like the singer to like the music.

Agree totally, the first thing I listen to is the singer. A few of my friends were really into extreme when they came out but I just couldn't get excited. The vocals didn't grab me but then again neither did many of the songs. SS don't do it for me but I think that is as much about the songs as Soto. But I do think he is overrated. Every rview goes over the top when talking about his vocals.

NealIsGod wrote:

You know Perry is my favorite singer ever. Sammy is probably #2. Which is strange, considering I prefer the DLR era of VH. But I have always loved Sammy's music and personality.

I love Sammy, his solo stuff is some of my favourite music and let's face it Dave can't really sing in comparison. But I do prefer early VH to Sammy VH. Strange!!

Abitaman wrote:

Not to put down our board, but Styx has more posters that get along, so everyone likes talking to each other. Were you, NIG, RED, DEANO, NOBLE and me (if I left anyone out, forgive me, didn't mean to) are the ones that get along and like talking to one another. I MISS YOU GUYS (DO NOT take that the wrong way, and you DO not what way I mean!!!!!!!!!!!)-ERIC

They really have the same problem too. Pre/Post Dennis. But they argue a lot less. It will be good to have the J forum back though.

[Red13JoePa]

I agree w/ Fernando about Dirty Water Dog, to me one of the top 2 songs on the record. Disagree on the ablum as a whole.
Also agree with him of III Sides, Extreme's best album. Color Me Blind is great.

[jrnyman28]

The first EXTREME album was very Van Halen influenced... I can see why Eddie wanted Gary in the band.

Yes the first Extreme CD had noticeable VH comparisons, but most of that came from Nuno on guitar.

I don't think Eddie EVER wanted Gary in the band. VH was "coerced" into Gary as singer by their manager/brother-in-law(?) who was also the manager of Extreme (as it was falling apart). The manager decided to put the two together without much input from Eddie and Alex.

[Red13JoePa]

What about Edward's proclomation that he and Gary were "musical sould brothers" when doing interviews to promte III? That seemed liked a ringing endorsement when he could've just low keyed it if he had Gary forced upon him. It also doesn't make sense that Edward would allow ANYONE to force him to do something he didn;t want to do with his namesake bacn when he completely autonomously runs everything else.

The brother-in-law connection is something I was not aware of though, that's good info by J28.

[jrnyman28]

At least having the OTHER site closed has brought to life a few of the forums that have laid dorment for ages.

Shows we do have interest in other bands when.

Very true!

the first thing I listen to is the singer. A few of my friends were really into extreme when they came out but I just couldn't get excited. The vocals didn't grab me but then again neither did many of the songs. SS don't do it for me but I think that is as much about the songs as Soto. But I do think he is overrated. Every rview goes over the top when talking about his vocals.

I listen to vocals and guitar. I had a friend tell me "You need to listen to Extreme! They are YOUR type of band." It took me a while, but once I did I told my friend they were SO right. And if you had ever seen them live, you would have been won over. Truly amazing live show. Gary had SO MUCH energy, Nuno was on fire. Paul blew me away because they were performing Whole-Hearted as an encore, and that song has a very solid Bass Drum beat through the entire song. If you remember the video it was the four guys standing around on the street playing acoustic and a minimal drum kit. Well Paul came out with that limited drum kit Bass, Snare, and Cymbal only but the rig started to collapse while he was standing there playing. The entire drum rig fell apart but he NEVER missed the beat. Impressive talent in that band...ALL the way around!

They really have the same problem too. Pre/Post Dennis. But they argue a lot less. It will be good to have the J forum back though.

It has been a blood bath on that forum at times as well. But they have gotten past most of it. And they have real posters instead of trolls. The best thing they have is "Suite" who continues to start threads. "She" knows a lot, finds a lot. Gives them something else to talk about. I have noticed that they have also accepted "Carrot Styx" as the descriptive name for post-DDY Styx. The journey Board continues to force the issue that Journey IS still Journey. (Of course DDY was an original member while Perry was not)

[sadie65]

They really have the same problem too. Pre/Post Dennis. But they argue a lot less. It will be good to have the J forum back though.

It has been a blood bath on that forum at times as well. But they have gotten past most of it. And they have real posters instead of trolls. The best thing they have is "Suite" who continues to start threads. "She" knows a lot, finds a lot. Gives them something else to talk about. I have noticed that they have also accepted "Carrot Styx" as the descriptive name for post-DDY Styx. The journey Board continues to force the issue that Journey IS still Journey. (Of course DDY was an original member while Perry was not)

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It becomes a bloodbath when personal insults are made, and there is no bending on either "side". By and large most of the posters there are very friendly and open minded...but trolls exist where ever you go. As for "Carrot Styx", there's actually several coined terms for them, that one being the cutest.

As for Suite, she is indeed a good source of info about the band, or at least one of it's former members.

Whatever goes with Van Halen's future, here's hoping we all remember to enjoy what they gave us in the past.

Peace

[NealIsGod]

Whatever goes with Van Halen's future, here's hoping we all remember to enjoy what they gave us in the past.

So true, and let's all realize nothing lasts forever (sad as that is).

[jrnyman28]

So true, and let's all realize nothing lasts forever (sad as that is).

SHUT UP NiG!! That is NOT true, it CAN'T be!!

[NealIsGod]

Dave, did you listen to the interview with Eddie I posted? Your thoughts?

[jrnyman28]

Nope, I haven't listened yet. But I have heard some of the comments before. Like I said in another thead, VH need to go ahead and do the multiple vocalist thing and start releasing the material Eddie had worked on.