" MAN COULD BE CHARGED WITH HATE CRIME"

[BobbyinTN]

Yes a hate crime. Punishable by cutting his dick and balls off.

are you hungry?

WOW! You're funny! You should take that act on the road.

[stevew2]

Yes a hate crime. Punishable by cutting his dick and balls off.

are you hungry?

WOW! You're funny! You should take that act on the road.

i just got back sweetie

[KDOUBLEU]

Yes a hate crime. Punishable by cutting his dick and balls off.

are you hungry?

WOW! You're funny! You should take that act on the road.

i just got back sweetie

Your probably pretty lonely this week without your best buddy Jason around Huh Stevew2??

[BobbyinTN]

Matt, I think this is where people get really confused about hate crimes. A hate crime can be committed against ANYONE, not just a minority. Yes, if someone targets you for being white and they hate white people and have made it clear that's why they're beating the shit out of you, then it's a hate crime.

We have degrees of murder, degrees of crime, this is just another classification of a crime, and it helps in sentencing the person.


If the only reason someone is attacked is because they are gay or black or straight or Chinese or Japanese, that's hatred, that's a crime motivated by a deep seated hatred that otherwise would have never happened.

By your argument if a car runs over someone and kills them accidentally, that driver should be punished the same as if he meant to do it.

First degree, second degree, premeditated and other classifications are there for reasons. Hate crime laws MIGHT deter some people, and I don't see anything wrong with the legislation.

Honestly, if you don't plan on hurting someone because of their skin color or sexuality, then why is this legislation such a big deal?


(everything I just wrote is not in anger and just arguing my points, not attacking)

[BobbyinTN]

Yes a hate crime. Punishable by cutting his dick and balls off.

are you hungry?

WOW! You're funny! You should take that act on the road.

i just got back sweetie

From your lobotomy?

[stevew2]

Yes a hate crime. Punishable by cutting his dick and balls off.

are you hungry?

WOW! You're funny! You should take that act on the road.

i just got back sweetie

From your lobotomy?

naw i still have a few brain cells left

[stevew2]

Yes a hate crime. Punishable by cutting his dick and balls off.

are you hungry?

WOW! You're funny! You should take that act on the road.

i just got back sweetie

Your probably pretty lonely this week without your best buddy Jason around Huh Stevew2??

really, what the fuck is up with him,maybe he got some real pussy and he is a man now,or he is handcuffed to some old fridge and taking it anally, i warned that fucker about that shit,he wont listen to me,hard head

[KDOUBLEU]

Yes a hate crime. Punishable by cutting his dick and balls off.

are you hungry?

WOW! You're funny! You should take that act on the road.

i just got back sweetie

Your probably pretty lonely this week without your best buddy Jason around Huh Stevew2??

really, what the fuck is up with him,maybe he got some real pussy and he is a man now,or he is handcuffed to some old fridge and taking it anally, i warned that fucker about that shit,he wont listen to me,hard head

Maybe we should actually start worrying about him. I would hate to find out his ex did something to him.

[stevew2]

Yes a hate crime. Punishable by cutting his dick and balls off.

are you hungry?

WOW! You're funny! You should take that act on the road.

i just got back sweetie

Your probably pretty lonely this week without your best buddy Jason around Huh Stevew2??

really, what the fuck is up with him,maybe he got some real pussy and he is a man now,or he is handcuffed to some old fridge and taking it anally, i warned that fucker about that shit,he wont listen to me,hard head

Maybe we should actually start worrying about him. I would hate to find out his ex did something to him.

it aint good, im worried i like that gay/ bi dude

[KDOUBLEU]

Yes a hate crime. Punishable by cutting his dick and balls off.

are you hungry?

WOW! You're funny! You should take that act on the road.

i just got back sweetie

Your probably pretty lonely this week without your best buddy Jason around Huh Stevew2??

really, what the fuck is up with him,maybe he got some real pussy and he is a man now,or he is handcuffed to some old fridge and taking it anally, i warned that fucker about that shit,he wont listen to me,hard head

Maybe we should actually start worrying about him. I would hate to find out his ex did something to him.

it aint good, im worried i like that gay/ bi dude

Yep me too, but lets not let him find out.

[stevew2]

he knows,i let you know,the fucker skims a fine line

[Ehwmatt]

Matt, I think this is where people get really confused about hate crimes. A hate crime can be committed against ANYONE, not just a minority. Yes, if someone targets you for being white and they hate white people and have made it clear that's why they're beating the shit out of you, then it's a hate crime.

We have degrees of murder, degrees of crime, this is just another classification of a crime, and it helps in sentencing the person.


If the only reason someone is attacked is because they are gay or black or straight or Chinese or Japanese, that's hatred, that's a crime motivated by a deep seated hatred that otherwise would have never happened.

By your argument if a car runs over someone and kills them accidentally, that driver should be punished the same as if he meant to do it.

First degree, second degree, premeditated and other classifications are there for reasons. Hate crime laws MIGHT deter some people, and I don't see anything wrong with the legislation.

Honestly, if you don't plan on hurting someone because of their skin color or sexuality, then why is this legislation such a big deal?


(everything I just wrote is not in anger and just arguing my points, not attacking)

You've misunderstood my argument particularly in the bolded point. To take your example, the distinction between accident and intention to run someone over is the only distinction that should be made... any other consideration such as race motivation should not be considered to make the sentence harsher. If they intended to do it, it's a crime of malice and hate and should be sentenced accordingly. If accidental, then the sentence should be mitigated appropriately.

As for the first part that hate crimes can be committed against anyone, I want ONE example where a black guy was charged with a hate crime for perpetrating violence against a white or even say an Asian or Mexican. In fact, I want one example where any minority was charged with a hate crime against a white person. I have honestly never heard of one and we know that racism is not a trait unique to the white race. Take a look at this story from Cleveland:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/03 ... _five.html

To summarize, a white 52-year-old guy was out jogging when three black kids decided to beat him up. The authorities were too afraid to charge it as a hate crime, so they believed their story that they were ROBBING the guy. Now, street punks might not be book smart, but they sure as hell are street smart, and believe me, they know that you don't rob a JOGGER. I don't know about you, but if I go running or if anyone I know goes running, they don't carry their wallets in their pockets (hell, a lotta running shorts don't have pockets!) or a money clip with crisp 100s in it. This was a race case and the sentence should have been increased for these punks. But it wasn't. They [media and authorities] wouldn't even admit it was racial. They were too damn chickenshit to admit it.

My problem in a nutshell: Apply hate crimes to every violent actor when appropriate or don't apply them at all. I'm for the latter personally, but if they aren't going away, then I'll take the next best thing.

[stevew2]

the only time i run ,its because someone is chasing me,if i jogged in the city you bet id do it with a shot gun, id call it resistence training

[Ehwmatt]

the only time i run ,its because someone is chasing me,if i jogged in the city you bet id do it with a shot gun, id call it resistence training

What about when you are running to the wine store for a new box of Franzia? Do you still drink that piss from the box?

[stevew2]

the only time i run ,its because someone is chasing me,if i jogged in the city you bet id do it with a shot gun, id call it resistence training

What about when you are running to the wine store for a new box of Franzia? Do you still drink that piss from the box?

i gave up box wine when i unloaded it In the floor of my Hyundia i drink it from the bottle and sometimes from a glass

[BobbyinTN]

Matt, I think this is where people get really confused about hate crimes. A hate crime can be committed against ANYONE, not just a minority. Yes, if someone targets you for being white and they hate white people and have made it clear that's why they're beating the shit out of you, then it's a hate crime.

We have degrees of murder, degrees of crime, this is just another classification of a crime, and it helps in sentencing the person.


If the only reason someone is attacked is because they are gay or black or straight or Chinese or Japanese, that's hatred, that's a crime motivated by a deep seated hatred that otherwise would have never happened.

By your argument if a car runs over someone and kills them accidentally, that driver should be punished the same as if he meant to do it.

First degree, second degree, premeditated and other classifications are there for reasons. Hate crime laws MIGHT deter some people, and I don't see anything wrong with the legislation.

Honestly, if you don't plan on hurting someone because of their skin color or sexuality, then why is this legislation such a big deal?


(everything I just wrote is not in anger and just arguing my points, not attacking)

You've misunderstood my argument particularly in the bolded point. To take your example, the distinction between accident and intention to run someone over is the only distinction that should be made... any other consideration such as race motivation should not be considered to make the sentence harsher. If they intended to do it, it's a crime of malice and hate and should be sentenced accordingly. If accidental, then the sentence should be mitigated appropriately.

As for the first part that hate crimes can be committed against anyone, I want ONE example where a black guy was charged with a hate crime for perpetrating violence against a white or even say an Asian or Mexican. In fact, I want one example where any minority was charged with a hate crime against a white person. I have honestly never heard of one and we know that racism is not a trait unique to the white race. Take a look at this story from Cleveland:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/03 ... _five.html

To summarize, a white 52-year-old guy was out jogging when three black kids decided to beat him up. The authorities were too afraid to charge it as a hate crime, so they believed their story that they were ROBBING the guy. Now, street punks might not be book smart, but they sure as hell are street smart, and believe me, they know that you don't rob a JOGGER. I don't know about you, but if I go running or if anyone I know goes running, they don't carry their wallets in their pockets (hell, a lotta running shorts don't have pockets!) or a money clip with crisp 100s in it. This was a race case and the sentence should have been increased for these punks. But it wasn't. They [media and authorities] wouldn't even admit it was racial. They were too damn chickenshit to admit it.

My problem in a nutshell: Apply hate crimes to every violent actor when appropriate or don't apply them at all. I'm for the latter personally, but if they aren't going away, then I'll take the next best thing.

Why shouldn't the motivation be a factor?

[Ehwmatt]

Matt, I think this is where people get really confused about hate crimes. A hate crime can be committed against ANYONE, not just a minority. Yes, if someone targets you for being white and they hate white people and have made it clear that's why they're beating the shit out of you, then it's a hate crime.

We have degrees of murder, degrees of crime, this is just another classification of a crime, and it helps in sentencing the person.


If the only reason someone is attacked is because they are gay or black or straight or Chinese or Japanese, that's hatred, that's a crime motivated by a deep seated hatred that otherwise would have never happened.

By your argument if a car runs over someone and kills them accidentally, that driver should be punished the same as if he meant to do it.

First degree, second degree, premeditated and other classifications are there for reasons. Hate crime laws MIGHT deter some people, and I don't see anything wrong with the legislation.

Honestly, if you don't plan on hurting someone because of their skin color or sexuality, then why is this legislation such a big deal?


(everything I just wrote is not in anger and just arguing my points, not attacking)

You've misunderstood my argument particularly in the bolded point. To take your example, the distinction between accident and intention to run someone over is the only distinction that should be made... any other consideration such as race motivation should not be considered to make the sentence harsher. If they intended to do it, it's a crime of malice and hate and should be sentenced accordingly. If accidental, then the sentence should be mitigated appropriately.

As for the first part that hate crimes can be committed against anyone, I want ONE example where a black guy was charged with a hate crime for perpetrating violence against a white or even say an Asian or Mexican. In fact, I want one example where any minority was charged with a hate crime against a white person. I have honestly never heard of one and we know that racism is not a trait unique to the white race. Take a look at this story from Cleveland:

http://blog.cleveland.com/metro/2008/03 ... _five.html

To summarize, a white 52-year-old guy was out jogging when three black kids decided to beat him up. The authorities were too afraid to charge it as a hate crime, so they believed their story that they were ROBBING the guy. Now, street punks might not be book smart, but they sure as hell are street smart, and believe me, they know that you don't rob a JOGGER. I don't know about you, but if I go running or if anyone I know goes running, they don't carry their wallets in their pockets (hell, a lotta running shorts don't have pockets!) or a money clip with crisp 100s in it. This was a race case and the sentence should have been increased for these punks. But it wasn't. They [media and authorities] wouldn't even admit it was racial. They were too damn chickenshit to admit it.

My problem in a nutshell: Apply hate crimes to every violent actor when appropriate or don't apply them at all. I'm for the latter personally, but if they aren't going away, then I'll take the next best thing.

Why shouldn't the motivation be a factor?

Because intent to harm is all that should matter - that is the substance of the result of the crime anyway. You get intentionally hurt/killed, your attacker should be punished the same as anyone else who hurt/killed someone, regardless of other factors. I'm feeling like a broken record here, I just said twice before my feelings as to why the racial consideration should not equate into a harsher sentence!

Still waiting to hear an example of where a hate crime statute has been applied to harshen the sentence of a minority perpetrating an attack against a white person... waiting... waiting... We all know these bogus hate crime statutes aren't going anywhere, so they better start applying it fairly and universally. But they won't. Did you even read that story I sent you? Please justify or explain to me why those black youths were not charged with hate crimes.

[Rockindeano]

I've lived in the North, the South and now the West

Just how far west are we talking here?

[Ehwmatt]

I've lived in the North, the South and now the West

Just how far west are we talking here?

Are the hairs on your neck prickling

[Blueskies]

I've lived in the North, the South and now the West

Just how far west are we talking here?

Texas! No where near YOU! (THANKS GOD!) But unfortunitely I can still smell you from here!

[Rockindeano]

I've lived in the North, the South and now the West

Just how far west are we talking here?

Texas! No where near YOU! (THANKS GOD!) But unfortunitely I can still smell you from here!

Listen up you senile old crab, my fingers on the fucking trigger. Just give me one reason, no, half a reason to squeeze it.

[Blueskies]

I've lived in the North, the South and now the West

Just how far west are we talking here?

Texas! No where near YOU! (THANKS GOD!) But unfortunitely I can still smell you from here!

Listen up you senile old crab, my fingers on the fucking trigger. Just give me one reason, no, half a reason to squeeze it.

Your fingers ALWAYS on " it" ! Too bad you have nothing there to squeeze!!

[Rockindeano]

I've lived in the North, the South and now the West

Just how far west are we talking here?

Texas! No where near YOU! (THANKS GOD!) But unfortunitely I can still smell you from here!

Listen up you senile old crab, my fingers on the fucking trigger. Just give me one reason, no, half a reason to squeeze it.

Your fingers ALWAYS on " it" ! Too bad you have nothing there to squeeze!!

I got a white pussy zit on my dick..I am naming it Phyliss.

[Blueskies]

I named my dogs last crap Dean but then I apologized to it. The crap pile was far more attractive and smelled better.

[yak]

Get the picture? Hey Mrs. Baiter, why I'll never know, but ....
The asylum is still looking for you

[Rockindeano]

I named my dogs last crap Dean but then I apologized to it. The crap pile was far more attractive and smelled better.

Phyliss, no offense, but you aren't attractive. I bet your dog looks down at the floor when he humps your leg.

[Blueskies]

Cut the crap, Yak...he tried to bait in some other threads and I didn't respond till now.
No more Miss Nice. Tools like you and a couple others don't deserve any respect.
And as another member told you the other day Yak...your neither smart or funny.
And you're definitely not worth my time.
Either get a life or go back to the only life you seem to have, harrassing the loons.

[Blueskies]

I named my dogs last crap Dean but then I apologized to it. The crap pile was far more attractive and smelled better.

Phyliss, no offense, but you aren't attractive. I bet your dog looks down at the floor when he humps your leg.

LOL! I'm very happy that youre not attracted to me. VERY! I would tell you to go look in the mirror but it would crack before you could see yourself.
and you shouldn't post pics of your crotch when there isn't anything there to show. By the way....was that stunt another cry for help from you? Off your bi-polar meds again that day ? It sure stamped a big L on your forehead forever. Go take those pantyhose you wear all the time and pull them up over your face. It would be an improvement. Who helped pay your rent this month, scrub? Not man enough to pay your own way so you have to sponge off women?
Say what you will...backing down , whatever bullcrap you want to spew..., but I really don't have time to waste on you or participate in this nonsense further either. No offense but there are some good people around here I would rather talk to...not you and your tool friends. I'll let you in on something before I go since y'all haven't figured it out by now.....calling me names and insults has no effect on me what so ever. So you waste your time trying to beat me down. It can't be done.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOyM2zRS1m8

[yak]

Cry me a river, Swamp Lady. So you can dish it out, but don't want any back, eh?

The poster to whom you refer hasn't been back since she "told me off." Coincidence, perhaps??

[Rockindeano]

I named my dogs last crap Dean but then I apologized to it. The crap pile was far more attractive and smelled better.

Phyliss, no offense, but you aren't attractive. I bet your dog looks down at the floor when he humps your leg.

LOL! I'm very happy that youre not attracted to me. VERY! I would tell you to go look in the mirror but it would crack before you could see yourself.
and you shouldn't post pics of your crotch when there isn't anything there to show. By the way....was that stunt another cry for help from you? Off your bi-polar meds again that day ? It sure stamped a big L on your forehead forever. Go take those pantyhose you wear all the time and pull them up over your face. It would be an improvement. Who helped pay your rent this month, scrub? Not man enough to pay your own way so you have to sponge off women?
Say what you will...backing down , whatever bullcrap you want to spew..., but I really don't have time to waste on you or participate in this nonsense further either. No offense but there are some good people around here I would rather talk to...not you and your tool friends. I'll let you in on something before I go since y'all haven't figured it out by now.....calling me names and insults has no effect on me what so ever. So you waste your time trying to beat me down. It can't be done.

I will gladly throw up the white flag if for nothing else to have you not respond further, but I know full fucking well you will.