Smoking ban heart gains 'massive'

[The Sushi Hunter]

Yeah, but unfortunately that won't stop smokers from bitching that they're being discriminated against. You know, because you really can't control being born a smoker.

I'm all for not smoking inside public buildings, offices, restaurants, etc. Whatever.

I disagree Rhi. I think anyone who wants to open a bar or restauraunt that allows smoking should be able to do so. If smoking and second hand smoke are so dangerous, why don't they ban it? Cuz the government doesn't want to give up the tax dollars.
Neither my wife or I smoke. If the business can be supported by smokers only or non-smokers who'll tolerate it, so be it. It'll only create a market for a similiar "non-smoking" restauraunt to open next door.

P.S. I can't believe you smoke....cigarette smoke stinks!!!

Yeah, the government is making bank on the taxes from cigarette sales. In San Francisco recently the wonderful mayor came up with a new tax, not sure if this new tax was invented because there's no longer enough people around in San Francisco to afford cigarettes or not, but they are talking taxing soda pop in San francisco now.

Maybe I'm being paranoid but to me it seems that the government will always apply a tax to and increase that tax on stuff that lots of people purchase and enjoy. Once everyone stops drinking alcohol and using tabacco products, the focus will be on what else people are using. Now it's soda pop in San Francisco. Once they run the tax through the roof on soda pop and everyone stops drinking it, they will apply a new tax on caffeine products. I see coffee being taxed coming up soon.

[Ehwmatt]

Yeah, but unfortunately that won't stop smokers from bitching that they're being discriminated against. You know, because you really can't control being born a smoker.

I'm all for not smoking inside public buildings, offices, restaurants, etc. Whatever.

I disagree Rhi. I think anyone who wants to open a bar or restauraunt that allows smoking should be able to do so. If smoking and second hand smoke are so dangerous, why don't they ban it? Cuz the government doesn't want to give up the tax dollars.
Neither my wife or I smoke. If the business can be supported by smokers only or non-smokers who'll tolerate it, so be it. It'll only create a market for a similiar "non-smoking" restauraunt to open next door.

P.S. I can't believe you smoke....cigarette smoke stinks!!!

Yeah, the government is making bank on the taxes from cigarette sales. In San Francisco recently the wonderful mayor came up with a new tax, not sure if this new tax was invented because there's no longer enough people around in San Francisco to afford cigarettes or not, but they are talking taxing soda pop in San francisco now.

Maybe I'm being paranoid but to me it seems that the government will always apply a tax to and increase that tax on stuff that lots of people purchase and enjoy. Once everyone stops drinking alcohol and using tabacco products, the focus will be on what else people are using. Now it's soda pop in San Francisco. Once they run the tax through the roof on soda pop and everyone stops drinking it, they will apply a new tax on caffeine products. I see coffee being taxed coming up soon.

You're not being paranoid, we're just expanding to the point of death on the account of corrupt politicians who want to line their greedy pockets.

There's a certain point of taxation in a country like ours, that has been built and preserved by the values that it has, where you reach it and people just won't take it any more. That's when it's all over. We're almost there.

We are simultaneously slaves and robbery victims day in and day out. Your paycheck, your burger, your beer, your pack of cigs, your coffee, your Diet Coke, pretty soon your energy are all victims of Uncle Sam the Rapist.

[RedWingFan]

Yeah, but unfortunately that won't stop smokers from bitching that they're being discriminated against. You know, because you really can't control being born a smoker.

I'm all for not smoking inside public buildings, offices, restaurants, etc. Whatever.

I disagree Rhi. I think anyone who wants to open a bar or restauraunt that allows smoking should be able to do so. If smoking and second hand smoke are so dangerous, why don't they ban it? Cuz the government doesn't want to give up the tax dollars.
Neither my wife or I smoke. If the business can be supported by smokers only or non-smokers who'll tolerate it, so be it. It'll only create a market for a similiar "non-smoking" restauraunt to open next door.

P.S. I can't believe you smoke....cigarette smoke stinks!!!

Yeah, the government is making bank on the taxes from cigarette sales. In San Francisco recently the wonderful mayor came up with a new tax, not sure if this new tax was invented because there's no longer enough people around in San Francisco to afford cigarettes or not, but they are talking taxing soda pop in San francisco now.

Maybe I'm being paranoid but to me it seems that the government will always apply a tax to and increase that tax on stuff that lots of people purchase and enjoy. Once everyone stops drinking alcohol and using tabacco products, the focus will be on what else people are using. Now it's soda pop in San Francisco. Once they run the tax through the roof on soda pop and everyone stops drinking it, they will apply a new tax on caffeine products. I see coffee being taxed coming up soon.

You're absolutely right! The government will NEVER do with less, they'll just force us to. The same goes with gas tax. As they force car companies (2 of which they own) to get better gas mileage (and more blood on the roads) They're going to start taxing us by the miles we drive.

Tyranny IS the history of the world. That's what's so great about the US Constitution. It shielded us from it, but liberalism and the democrat party has slowly broken down the firewalls.

[The Sushi Hunter]

You're not being paranoid, we're just expanding to the point of death on the account of corrupt politicians who want to line their greedy pockets.

There's a certain point of taxation in a country like ours, that has been built and preserved by the values that it has, where you reach it and people just won't take it any more. That's when it's all over. We're almost there.

We are simultaneously slaves and robbery victims day in and day out. Your paycheck, your burger, your beer, your pack of cigs, your coffee, your Diet Coke, pretty soon your energy are all victims of Uncle Sam the Rapist.

I was talking to a friend of mine long distance on the phone yesterday. I'm not sure if this is true, maybe someone here knows if it is or not, but he was telling me that the Government is now getting ready to pay taxes back to the citizens in a whole new way now. Sounded profound to me and that's why I have my doubts about it.

He tells me that if your owed money back at the end of the year after filing your income taxes, the Government will issue you some sort of bond or something like that where it won't be good until some future date, like five to ten years into the future, or when the bond matures. I see it like those gift cards. If the government did this, they would be doing it with full intentions that there would be a certain amount of these "bonds" that won't be cashed in because they are forgotten about, misplaced or the person died before the bond matures.

Again, I doubt that this would happen, but has anyone else heard of this? I say if the Government does such a thing, your statement "people just won't take it any more. That's when it's all over. We're almost there." will pretty much materialize.

[strangegrey]

Again, I doubt that this would happen, but has anyone else heard of this? I say if the Government does such a thing, your statement "people just won't take it any more. That's when it's all over. We're almost there." will pretty much materialize.

If that happens, I think there'd be a mass of people that wouldn't take it...and throw a stink...


but in all honesty, anyone that's getting a significant rebate check should be smacked upside the head to begin with. You're essentially over paying your taxes each year...and you're giving Uncle Sam an interest free loan.

Id rather come in a few dollars shy and have to pony up the money on April 15th, than have a promise that I'll get a rebate check of 4k when Uncle Sam gets around to cutting the check. Trust me, if it were the other way around, the IRS would be charging you the interest....why give them more money than they deserve.

What's more offensive is having to then *prove* you are owed back the money, by filling out an auditable 1040....and remember folks, there's no presumption of innocense in tax court. You walk in the front doors guilty, until you can prove innocence.

[pinkfloyd1973]

It's so frustrating to see my parents continue to smoke despite me begging them to stop.

They're 45 and have been smoking for a solid 27 years. My dad has even been warned that he's showing beginning symptoms of COPD yet he still smokes away.

I'm so afraid that neither of them will make it to see their grandchildren or my wedding day, or even my younger sisters' graduations.

Every day, all day, they smoke like freight trains.. and it worries me so.

My mother only smoked a little bit when she was young and yet she's the ten percent that get lung cancer they consider unrelated to smoking, which is usually women, or possibly second-hand smoke when she was younger from her parents and maybe she was susceptible. Her lung cancer was brutal and had spread into her brain, and it was horrific to witness and care for her and so sad to see her go through the pain and stroke-like symptoms she had. I can't imagine smoking when your chances are so high for lung cancer and that it's an aggressive and terminal disease unless caught very early. I guess I'm sensitive to the subject b/c I learned so much about lung cancer trying to save her or extend her life, and to know smoking is the major cause of most lung cancers I just don't get people not stopping. Plus all the emphysema problems. My aunt had to have oxygen in her sixties b/c of heavy smoking. COPD, you name it, she had it, and eventually died of lung cancer. A model Christy Turlington came out and said after smoking for years she showed signs already of emphysema by the age of 30.

My ex-husband's been a smoker since he was 15 and now at 35 he has emphysema

Robin

[The Sushi Hunter]

It's so frustrating to see my parents continue to smoke despite me begging them to stop.

They're 45 and have been smoking for a solid 27 years. My dad has even been warned that he's showing beginning symptoms of COPD yet he still smokes away.

I'm so afraid that neither of them will make it to see their grandchildren or my wedding day, or even my younger sisters' graduations.

Every day, all day, they smoke like freight trains.. and it worries me so.

My mother only smoked a little bit when she was young and yet she's the ten percent that get lung cancer they consider unrelated to smoking, which is usually women, or possibly second-hand smoke when she was younger from her parents and maybe she was susceptible. Her lung cancer was brutal and had spread into her brain, and it was horrific to witness and care for her and so sad to see her go through the pain and stroke-like symptoms she had. I can't imagine smoking when your chances are so high for lung cancer and that it's an aggressive and terminal disease unless caught very early. I guess I'm sensitive to the subject b/c I learned so much about lung cancer trying to save her or extend her life, and to know smoking is the major cause of most lung cancers I just don't get people not stopping. Plus all the emphysema problems. My aunt had to have oxygen in her sixties b/c of heavy smoking. COPD, you name it, she had it, and eventually died of lung cancer. A model Christy Turlington came out and said after smoking for years she showed signs already of emphysema by the age of 30.

My ex-husband's been a smoker since he was 15 and now at 35 he has emphysema

Robin

What you need to remember is no one's going to stop because someone wants them to. They have to want to stop for themselves before they can initiate the steps towards stopping.

That's why there are so many people on bottled oxygen who still continue to smoke, and every so often I read about a few of them blowing themselves up because they mixed the open flames from their smokes with the oxygen they are breathing.