Strypers Michael Sweet marries again... Already?

[Jana]

It's nothing to do with "replacing". It has everything to do with lonliness.

This is exactly what bothers me about rushing into a new marriage~ not giving yourself enough time
to grieve...

Lynn, you make some good points in the several posts above. It's really just looking at the situation from two different life experiences, there is (obviously) no universal right or wrong. MG cuts to the heart of the matter for me right here ^^^, though. Yes, grieving began when she was diagnosed, but the grieving upon death is something totally unique and something you can't steel yourself for, no matter how much advance notice or lack thereof you have (eg cancer vs a tragic car accident). NOTHING can prepare you for the actual loss. I lost one grandmother to breast cancer, a grandfather to lung cancer (fuckin cigs), and my other grandfather to heart disease. They all happened gradually and we were "prepared," but nothing can truly prepare you for the ACTUAL feeling/situation of loss, at least imo.

I'm with MG, you need time to grieve. One of the aforementioned co-workers (actually, my old boss) made a promise to his wife that there'd never be anybody else... she died when he was 50. Well, that was awfully young to make that promise, as he's a VERY healthy 60. He's one of those works out every day, vibrant, doesn't think about retiring, doesn't look a day over 50 type. So, after he had his "time to grieve," several years, turns out he did find someone else and it's pretty serious now. Good for him.

My perspective is you need that time and space. You feel differently. That's fine. I'm also somewhat looking at it through the kids' lens, since I can still imagine what it would feel like if one of my parents passed and the other remarried so soon. I'd 99% be likely to be pissed about that.

Good points. But your parent can't live their life for you. He's the one living in his grief and pain and lonelieness every night and day week after week. His kids are late teens and twenty or something like that.

Like I said, my only problem with it was when Kyle had only died in March, his first letter in July publicly proclaiming his love and happiness for a woman he had obviously been dating for a while seemed unseemly to me and in poor taste regarding Kyle's memory. Now, as his child, that would be hard to stomach and would rather him care about the woman more privately and tread more slowly with the relationship, instead of declarations of love in letter form publicly and so quickly. But that's just how I would react. I just wouldn't want it in my face so soon b/c I would be grieving for my mom and would be hard to take.

[Melissa]

Yes, sad there are so many people who will judge a person without walking in their shoes..

More disgusting than sad.

[S2M]

Yes, sad there are so many people who will judge a person without walking in their shoes..

More disgusting than sad.

You know, in a way I agree with you....but you open up a can of worms.

Would you like to make that an all encompassing maxim? 'Without walking in their shoes'

I'm sure if you thought hard about it, you wouldn't want that to become a blanket maxim.

Cause you'd have to change your mind about even the most heinous crimes, situations....etc....

I hope i don't find your screen name in the Tiger thread!

if you subscribe to this position you aren't able to vent, or wax philisophical about how a serial killer wacked 10 young women in SC. Why, cause you never 'walked in his shoes'...


Food for thought.......

[StevePerryHair]

Yes, sad there are so many people who will judge a person without walking in their shoes..

More disgusting than sad.

You know, in a way I agree with you....but you open up a can of worms.

Would you like to make that an all encompassing maxim? 'Without walking in their shoes'

I'm sure if you thought hard about it, you wouldn't want that to become a blanket maxim.

Cause you'd have to change your mind about even the most heinous crimes, situations....etc....

I hope i don't find your screen name in the Tiger thread!

if you subscribe to this position you aren't able to vent, or wax philisophical about how a serial killer wacked 10 young women in SC. Why, cause you never 'walked in his shoes'...


Food for thought.......

You need to translate that to english for me.......

[Michigan Girl]

Yes, sad there are so many people who will judge a person without walking in their shoes..

More disgusting than sad.

I hope it's not judging...more like trying to understand and hoping it's for the
best. It is really hard to wrap your head/heart around feelings you haven't experienced!!
I think MS must understand this judging from his announcement~ sounds like he's
trying to explain himself... even though he shouldn't have to.

[Melissa]

You're going to compare crime to someone remarrying after death? Seriously? Come on...

And no you won't find my name in the Tiger thread.

Next.

[StevePerryHair]

You're going to compare crime to someone remarrying after death? Seriously? Come on...

And no you won't find my name in the Tiger thread.

Next.

Is that what he meant? Oh Well that's just ridiculous. And my name is in the Tiger thread a few times, but i don't think I even had a judgemental thing to say there either I recall. I try very hard not to judge people. I try to figure out why. I think I am just very much into the psychology of people and analyzing a situation than I am just simply judging it at face value.

[S2M]

You're going to compare crime to someone remarrying after death? Seriously? Come on...

And no you won't find my name in the Tiger thread.

Next.

I'm most definitely comparing them.....but more in the way that you intellectualize, and apply your 'walking in their shoes' theory.

I'll be than happy to sit down and set you straight come may, young lady....

Shall I pencil you in for that thursday night.....say around 6pm? Bring your friends...it'll be epic.

[Deb]

Lynn, MG, Ehwmatt and Jana......you are all making some very good points here. MS seems to be a great guy and went through a terrible tragedy and deserves to be happy. I kind of agree with Jana here about the speed of the marriage. Some people are terrified of being alone and jump into something right away (sometimes kind of a desparation) whether it be after a divorce or death. To me this would seem to be a great time for introspection and learning to be ok in your own skin. You can usually tell by how somebody talks or carry themselves whether they are secure enough in their oneness (is that even a word ) to move on. I noticed in that writeup he was quoted as saying he "needs" her in his life.....instead of "wants". I'm not judging him (heck he's one of my top 5 favorite vocalists).......but if it's meant to be, it will stand the test of time, what's the rush.

[StevePerryHair]

You're going to compare crime to someone remarrying after death? Seriously? Come on...

And no you won't find my name in the Tiger thread.

Next.

I'm most definitely comparing them.....but more in the way that you intellectualize, and apply your 'walking in their shoes' theory.

I'll be than happy to sit down and set you straight come may, young lady....

Shall I pencil you in for that thursday night.....say around 6pm? Bring your friends...it'll be epic.

First of all, I dont' judge serial killers or criminals either. I am more likely to try to figure out what made them that way and why. And comparing an act of LOVE to an act of hate and crime and murder is just ridiculous.

And if you knew Melissa and me, you'd know WHO would be setting WHO straight in May, and you'd pretty much lose

[Melissa]

You're going to compare crime to someone remarrying after death? Seriously? Come on...

And no you won't find my name in the Tiger thread.

Next.

I'm most definitely comparing them.....but more in the way that you intellectualize, and apply your 'walking in their shoes' theory.

I'll be than happy to sit down and set you straight come may, young lady....

Shall I pencil you in for that thursday night.....say around 6pm? Bring your friends...it'll be epic.

With the shit my mother went through, and my entire family suffered through watching my mother die from stage 4 breast cancer for a year, and the HELL I watched my father go through after that, and putting off my own grief at that time, for over a year, just to make sure he stayed alive, there's no way in hell you could set me straight about anything regarding someone finding a way to move on in life after the death of a loved one. So no, you can't pencil me in, gramps.

[S2M]

First of all, I dont' judge serial killers or criminals either. I am more likely to try to figure out what made them that way and why. And comparing an act of LOVE to an act of hate and crime and murder is just ridiculous.

And if you knew Melissa and I, you'd know WHO would be setting WHO straight in May, and you'd pretty much lose

Look, it has already started. Setting you straight already!

[Voyager]

This guy "the Frontman of Stryper"(how long will he be called this?) is a reknown speed griever. Through the power of prayer, he managed to grieve in record time, roughly 48 hrs, he was over it, and onto Hairmetal Singles chat rooms, set up for women who love men who were in HairMetals, or wanted to be. Or just had great hair & looked good in spandex....this guy was married quicker than it takes to break in a good pair of leather trousers & white cowboy boots. I'm sure his deceased wife's family is happy for him.

Hallelujiah - it's a miracle from Jesus!!! Praise be!!!

[StevePerryHair]

First of all, I dont' judge serial killers or criminals either. I am more likely to try to figure out what made them that way and why. And comparing an act of LOVE to an act of hate and crime and murder is just ridiculous.

And if you knew Melissa and I, you'd know WHO would be setting WHO straight in May, and you'd pretty much lose

Look, it has already started. Setting you straight already!

Um, I'm quite sure it's Melissa and ME because if you take out the Melissa, it is "you dont' know ME" not "you dont' know I" Mr. grammar

[Michigan Girl]

Lynn, MG, Ehwmatt and Jana......you are all making some very good points here. MS seems to be a great guy and went through a terrible tragedy and deserves to be happy. I kind of agree with Jana here about the speed of the marriage. Some people are terrified of being alone and jump into something right away (sometimes kind of a desparation) whether it be after a divorce or death. To me this would seem to be a great time for introspection and learning to be ok in your own skin. You can usually tell by how somebody talks or carry themselves whether they are secure enough in their oneness (is that even a word ) to move on. I noticed in that writeup he was quoted as saying he "needs" her in his life.....instead of "wants". I'm not judging him (heck he's one of my top 5 favorite vocalists).......but if it's meant to be, it will stand the test of time, what's the rush.

Connection...NAIL, HAMMER!!!
As the new wife I'd have to think about this just a tad!!
But that does not stop me from wishing them the very best...
concern in situations like this is very normal!!!

[StevePerryHair]

Lynn, MG, Ehwmatt and Jana......you are all making some very good points here. MS seems to be a great guy and went through a terrible tragedy and deserves to be happy. I kind of agree with Jana here about the speed of the marriage. Some people are terrified of being alone and jump into something right away (sometimes kind of a desparation) whether it be after a divorce or death. To me this would seem to be a great time for introspection and learning to be ok in your own skin. You can usually tell by how somebody talks or carry themselves whether they are secure enough in their oneness (is that even a word ) to move on. I noticed in that writeup he was quoted as saying he "needs" her in his life.....instead of "wants". I'm not judging him (heck he's one of my top 5 favorite vocalists).......but if it's meant to be, it will stand the test of time, what's the rush.

Connection...NAIL, HAMMER!!!
As the new wife I'd have to think about this just a tad!!
But that does not stop me from wishing them the very best...
concern in situations like this is very normal!!!

I don't have a problem with the wishing him the best or the concern. The things you said didnt' bother me! It's more the judging of him "moving on" and trying to make it look like he didn't even love his wife. One just has nothing to do with the other. And then people deciding what's best for him when it's really his life to live and I'm sure he's doing the best he can i a really painful situation. This woman knows what she's getting into and I hope she's prepared. It won't be easy for a while.

[Jana]

Lynn, MG, Ehwmatt and Jana......you are all making some very good points here. MS seems to be a great guy and went through a terrible tragedy and deserves to be happy. I kind of agree with Jana here about the speed of the marriage. Some people are terrified of being alone and jump into something right away (sometimes kind of a desparation) whether it be after a divorce or death. To me this would seem to be a great time for introspection and learning to be ok in your own skin. You can usually tell by how somebody talks or carry themselves whether they are secure enough in their oneness (is that even a word ) to move on. I noticed in that writeup he was quoted as saying he "needs" her in his life.....instead of "wants". I'm not judging him (heck he's one of my top 5 favorite vocalists).......but if it's meant to be, it will stand the test of time, what's the rush.

Deb, I wasn't necessarily talking about the speed of the marriage, more his public proclamation of being in love just months after his wife died and to me too public and should have been kept private and slowly worked through those feelings privately out of respect for Kyle's memory and his children.

Re "introspection and learning to be ok in your skin," when you've lost, through death, your partner in life horrific grief and pain gets in the way of that, and usually someone coming into your life only brings back joy again, or the fact that it's four years later and the pain has dulled. But I have seen people marry soon to stop pain and they're not happy with the second marriage, and I know someone in her thirties who lost her husband when she was 31 with two small children. She has waited five years and not rushed into a relationship but has settled with someone I don't believe she will be happy with. So maybe Michael was lucky and found a genuine partner early but it will last. But SPH made a good point about you're grieving way b/f death. My mother was so ill and not herself that I cried for six months nonstop as I felt that I had already lost her while she was alive and my dad felt that way too, and Michael touched upon that in one of his letters, that the grieving just didn't start upon death.

I don't see "need" as a bad thing.

[Melissa]

And some of you bring up great points about how Kyle died too. It's just not something people who haven't been there, done that, can understand, and I give that benefit of the doubt to people who are being so f'n judgmental. Sitting and watching my mother die slowly for a year, losing parts and parts of her, and the same happening to my father because they were so much a part of each other, something rare anymore IMO, is just something that can't even be put into words. Until you see it, and feel it for yourself, there's just no way to know what people suffer through like this.

[StevePerryHair]

And some of you bring up great points about how Kyle died too. It's just not something people who haven't been there, done that, can understand, and I give that benefit of the doubt to people who are being so f'n judgmental. Sitting and watching my mother die slowly for a year, losing parts and parts of her, and the same happening to my father because they were so much a part of each other, something rare anymore IMO, is just something that can't even be put into words. Until you see it, and feel it for yourself, there's just no way to know what people suffer through like this.

Exactly. It's the "in their shoes" thing that I mean. Until you are a child watching a parent's pain, you really have no idea how you will feel. It's not even the same as a grandparent. I watched grandparents lose their spouses too. But this is our mom and dad.... it's different... and you want them happy when you see their heart broken.

[Ehwmatt]

And some of you bring up great points about how Kyle died too. It's just not something people who haven't been there, done that, can understand, and I give that benefit of the doubt to people who are being so f'n judgmental. Sitting and watching my mother die slowly for a year, losing parts and parts of her, and the same happening to my father because they were so much a part of each other, something rare anymore IMO, is just something that can't even be put into words. Until you see it, and feel it for yourself, there's just no way to know what people suffer through like this.

Exactly. It's the "in their shoes" thing that I mean. Until you are a child watching a parent's pain, you really have no idea how you will feel. It's not even the same as a grandparent. I watched grandparents lose their spouses too. But this is our mom and dad.... it's different... and you want them happy when you see their heart broken.

Do you think there's nothing to be said about the notion of there being some need of a "show of respect" in the wake of a long-time spouse's passing? That's my biggest issue. I think you owe it to someone (and their family+your kids if any) who gave his/her life to you for x years to wait at least a little while before putting yourself "out on the market" again. There's obviously no way to demarcate an arbitrary appropriate time period, but still... it's one of those things you just "feel." That's how I KNOW I'd feel.

[Michigan Girl]

I don't see "need" as a bad thing.

It isn't, but this may be where I have a problem, I don't want you to need me, it's suffocating!!

Unless you're my child!!

[Behshad]

And some of you bring up great points about how Kyle died too. It's just not something people who haven't been there, done that, can understand, and I give that benefit of the doubt to people who are being so f'n judgmental. Sitting and watching my mother die slowly for a year, losing parts and parts of her, and the same happening to my father because they were so much a part of each other, something rare anymore IMO, is just something that can't even be put into words. Until you see it, and feel it for yourself, there's just no way to know what people suffer through like this.

Exactly. It's the "in their shoes" thing that I mean. Until you are a child watching a parent's pain, you really have no idea how you will feel. It's not even the same as a grandparent. I watched grandparents lose their spouses too. But this is our mom and dad.... it's different... and you want them happy when you see their heart broken.

Do you think there's nothing to be said about the notion of there being some need of a "show of respect" in the wake of a long-time spouse's passing? That's my biggest issue. I think you owe it to someone (and their family+your kids if any) who gave his/her life to you for x years to wait at least a little while before putting yourself "out on the market" again. There's obviously no way to demarcate an arbitrary appropriate time period, but still... it's one of those things you just "feel." That's how I KNOW I'd feel.

You do make a good point there ..... Even if Sweet needed the companionship, he couldve just taken things a bit slower, out of respect for his wife and just dated this woman ,,,, Marrying someone that soon to me looks like "Next!" ,,,,

[StevePerryHair]

And some of you bring up great points about how Kyle died too. It's just not something people who haven't been there, done that, can understand, and I give that benefit of the doubt to people who are being so f'n judgmental. Sitting and watching my mother die slowly for a year, losing parts and parts of her, and the same happening to my father because they were so much a part of each other, something rare anymore IMO, is just something that can't even be put into words. Until you see it, and feel it for yourself, there's just no way to know what people suffer through like this.

Exactly. It's the "in their shoes" thing that I mean. Until you are a child watching a parent's pain, you really have no idea how you will feel. It's not even the same as a grandparent. I watched grandparents lose their spouses too. But this is our mom and dad.... it's different... and you want them happy when you see their heart broken.

Do you think there's nothing to be said about the notion of there being some need of a "show of respect" in the wake of a long-time spouse's passing? That's my biggest issue. I think you owe it to someone who gave their life to you for x years to wait at least a little while before putting yourself "out on the market" again. There's obviously no way to demarcate an arbitrary appropriate time period, but still... it's one of those things you just "feel." That's how I KNOW I'd feel.

It has nothing to do with respect. She was dying for 2 years. They had to talk about these things. Whether he'd move on. There's no way they didn't. And she may have given him the peace he needed to do so. Have you ever been married yet Matthew? Have you ever felt what that is like? And she gave her life to him? She married him, til death do us part. And no one is expected to sit and mourn and be sad forever and what if that right person just comes along and what if you miss that chance because in your head it's just "too soon and I need to respect my deceased wife" How sad would that be! I am SURE he made his peace with his wife for him to be able to move into another relationship. I mean to call it "out on the market" You are SUCH A GUY!!! He just met someone, and they clicked, fell in love and they got married. It's not being on the market. A lot of people get married quickly, within months of meeting. He just happened to have lost his wife. And I believe you would feel thay way. And I feel sorry for one of your parents if you are ever in those shoes and you do what you say you will. It will make their lives hard,but guess what, they will still do what THEY need to do for happiness.

[bluejeangirl76]

You do make a good point there ..... Even if Sweet needed the companionship, he couldve just taken things a bit slower, out of respect for his wife and just dated this woman ,,,, Marrying someone that soon to me looks like "Next!" ,,,,

Perception is reality for most though. We can see all we want and make judgements, but people deal with loss in different ways. Only those in that situation know what's really going on (as Lynn pointed out) in their heads and their hearts.

And don't nobody throw that Tiger Woods stuff up as a call-out on passing judgement, either. The guy was found out to making hookup plans with one of those women the same week his wife was going to give birth to his son. I mean come on, apples and oranges here. He's a wormy little shit who publically humiliated his wife and family. Fact.

[StevePerryHair]

And some of you bring up great points about how Kyle died too. It's just not something people who haven't been there, done that, can understand, and I give that benefit of the doubt to people who are being so f'n judgmental. Sitting and watching my mother die slowly for a year, losing parts and parts of her, and the same happening to my father because they were so much a part of each other, something rare anymore IMO, is just something that can't even be put into words. Until you see it, and feel it for yourself, there's just no way to know what people suffer through like this.

Exactly. It's the "in their shoes" thing that I mean. Until you are a child watching a parent's pain, you really have no idea how you will feel. It's not even the same as a grandparent. I watched grandparents lose their spouses too. But this is our mom and dad.... it's different... and you want them happy when you see their heart broken.

Do you think there's nothing to be said about the notion of there being some need of a "show of respect" in the wake of a long-time spouse's passing? That's my biggest issue. I think you owe it to someone (and their family+your kids if any) who gave his/her life to you for x years to wait at least a little while before putting yourself "out on the market" again. There's obviously no way to demarcate an arbitrary appropriate time period, but still... it's one of those things you just "feel." That's how I KNOW I'd feel.

You do make a good point there ..... Even if Sweet needed the companionship, he couldve just taken things a bit slower, out of respect for his wife and just dated this woman ,,,, Marrying someone that soon to me looks like "Next!" ,,,,

Why should he care how it 'LOOKS" to the world?? He is doing things for his own happiness and why should he have to answer to anyone for that. And slow? Does everyone wait 1 year, 2 years, 3 years to get to know someone to get married? I think not! How can time be judged that way. When it's right, you know it's right. And I just do not get how it's not respecting his wife. YOu nave no idea the things they may be doign to respect her memory. His new wife may be doing things that totally repect her. You people have no clue

[Ehwmatt]

And some of you bring up great points about how Kyle died too. It's just not something people who haven't been there, done that, can understand, and I give that benefit of the doubt to people who are being so f'n judgmental. Sitting and watching my mother die slowly for a year, losing parts and parts of her, and the same happening to my father because they were so much a part of each other, something rare anymore IMO, is just something that can't even be put into words. Until you see it, and feel it for yourself, there's just no way to know what people suffer through like this.

Exactly. It's the "in their shoes" thing that I mean. Until you are a child watching a parent's pain, you really have no idea how you will feel. It's not even the same as a grandparent. I watched grandparents lose their spouses too. But this is our mom and dad.... it's different... and you want them happy when you see their heart broken.

Do you think there's nothing to be said about the notion of there being some need of a "show of respect" in the wake of a long-time spouse's passing? That's my biggest issue. I think you owe it to someone who gave their life to you for x years to wait at least a little while before putting yourself "out on the market" again. There's obviously no way to demarcate an arbitrary appropriate time period, but still... it's one of those things you just "feel." That's how I KNOW I'd feel.

It has nothing to do with respect. She was dying for 2 years. They had to talk about these things. Whether he'd move on. There's no way they didn't. And she may have given him the peace he needed to do so. Have you ever been married yet Matthew? Have you ever felt what that is like? And she gave her life to him? She married him, til death do us part. And no one is expected to sit and mourn and be sad forever and what if that right person just comes along and what if you miss that chance because in your head it's just "too soon and I need to respect my deceased wife" How sad would that be! I am SURE he made his peace with his wife for him to be able to move into another relationship. I mean to call it "out on the market" You are SUCH A GUY!!! He just met someone, and they clicked, fell in love and they got married. It's not being on the market. A lot of people get married quickly, within months of meeting. He just happened to have lost his wife. And I believe you would feel thay way. And I feel sorry for one of your parents if you are ever in those shoes and you do what you say you will. It will make their lives hard,but guess what, they will still do what THEY need to do for happiness.

Good point, they may have discussed it beforehand. I didn't think of that.

As for the rest of that, you're getting way too riled up because it seems you feel some personal alignment with the situation for whatever reason.

Out on the market is clearly a figure of speech. No, I haven't been married and I will not ever rush into anything. Yes, lots of people get married within months of meeting... including all the celebs we see get divorced within a matter of months/years. Maybe that's why our divorce rate is staggeringly high, huh?

And I can 110% guarantee neither of my parents would marry within any short time of losing the other, if at all, so don't worry about them or me.

[bluejeangirl76]

You people have no clue

To be fair, that's true in pretty much every thread around here.

[Deb]

Lynn, MG, Ehwmatt and Jana......you are all making some very good points here. MS seems to be a great guy and went through a terrible tragedy and deserves to be happy. I kind of agree with Jana here about the speed of the marriage. Some people are terrified of being alone and jump into something right away (sometimes kind of a desparation) whether it be after a divorce or death. To me this would seem to be a great time for introspection and learning to be ok in your own skin. You can usually tell by how somebody talks or carry themselves whether they are secure enough in their oneness (is that even a word ) to move on. I noticed in that writeup he was quoted as saying he "needs" her in his life.....instead of "wants". I'm not judging him (heck he's one of my top 5 favorite vocalists).......but if it's meant to be, it will stand the test of time, what's the rush.

Deb, I wasn't necessarily talking about the speed of the marriage, more his public proclamation of being in love just months after his wife died and to me too public and should have been kept private and slowly worked through those feelings privately out of respect for Kyle's memory and his children.

Re "introspection and learning to be ok in your skin," when you've lost, through death, your partner in life horrific grief and pain gets in the way of that, and usually someone coming into your life only brings back joy again, or the fact that it's four years later and the pain has dulled. But I have seen people marry soon to stop pain and they're not happy with the second marriage, and I know someone in her thirties who lost her husband when she was 31 with two small children. She has waited five years and not rushed into a relationship but has settled with someone I don't believe she will be happy with. So maybe Michael was lucky and found a genuine partner early but it will last. But SPH made a good point about you're grieving way b/f death. My mother was so ill and not herself that I cried for six months nonstop as I felt that I had already lost her while she was alive and my dad felt that way too, and Michael touched upon that in one of his letters, that the grieving just didn't start upon death.

I don't see "need" as a bad thing.

That's what I meant too, not so much the marriage itself. And I hear ya on the grieving starting before death. I started grieving for my gramma when she was diagnosed with her cancer. Luckily or unluckily it was an aggressive form of cancer and took her fast, but watching one of my most favorite women in the world fight for her life was almost unbearable.

Wish MS and his family all the best.

[StevePerryHair]

You people have no clue

To be fair, that's true in pretty much every thread around here.

[Ehwmatt]

You do make a good point there ..... Even if Sweet needed the companionship, he couldve just taken things a bit slower, out of respect for his wife and just dated this woman ,,,, Marrying someone that soon to me looks like "Next!" ,,,,

And don't nobody throw that Tiger Woods stuff up as a call-out on passing judgement, either. The guy was found out to making hookup plans with one of those women the same week his wife was going to give birth to his son. I mean come on, apples and oranges here. He's a wormy little shit who publically humiliated his wife and family. Fact.

Yea, great point, you gotta love the people who take "not judging" to its logical extreme and won't "judge" some scumbag who brutalized a family or did what Tiger did.