"This Is It" dvd...

[JeremyP]

Of all the songs you posted above , only ONE is live, BEAT IT ,,,,
when I said they're taped , I didn't mean the used the very original track. Just like Lynn mentioned , they're re-records , but he isn't singing any of those live , except Beat It.

What makes you think that?

Of course , you can't tell JeremyP , cause you also thought Augeri was singing live.

I don't wanna re-open the tapegate can of worms...but be my guest to find a post from me saying I didn't think they used tapes. I disagreed whether certain songs on certain nights were live. You remember me being a huge Augeri fan though, and that's still true.

[G.I.Jim]

Of all the songs you posted above , only ONE is live, BEAT IT ,,,,
when I said they're taped , I didn't mean the used the very original track. Just like Lynn mentioned , they're re-records , but he isn't singing any of those live , except Beat It.
The rest are all tape. Of course , you can't tell JeremyP , cause you also thought Augeri was singing live.

You are completely wrong B. I can't believe you think they're pre-recorded! He skips lines, you hear his pitch going out slightly in places when he dancing, he sings quiet in places as he's working out his dances, and sings louder and with more precision as when he's more focused on the vocals. I want you to point out 1 place exactly where you're witnessing him lip. I'm waiting...

[StevePerryHair]

You know, if these were rehearsals, I wouldn't be surprised that they would use tapes. And how can you tell every single one of those is live? I mean wearing a mic doesn't make it live. It just seems to me, since he was worried about doing all the shows he needed to, maybe for rehearsals he wanted to save his voice. It's possible he re-recorded some things and then used those tapes too. I'm sure there is SOME live stuff there though. I'd guess sometimes he did rehearse it with his real vocals. I wanna see it for the dancing

All you have to do is compare the rehearsal versions with the studio recordings.

He did wanna save his voice, which is why he didn't sing out like he would had it been an actual concert performance. He mentions this a few times in the film.

I know all his records backwards and forwards...ask my parents. lol

I NEVER said it was tapes from his albums. I said "rehearsal re-records" to save his voice. What makes you think I am any less of a fan and don't know his music just as well?

[rockinfayrose]

This is one of the few movies I actually went to the movie theater to see, and I did like it but...No, I wouldn't buy it. It will probably air on TV by the end of the year anyway and then I could record it if I wanted to

[Behshad]

Of all the songs you posted above , only ONE is live, BEAT IT ,,,,
when I said they're taped , I didn't mean the used the very original track. Just like Lynn mentioned , they're re-records , but he isn't singing any of those live , except Beat It.
The rest are all tape. Of course , you can't tell JeremyP , cause you also thought Augeri was singing live.

You are completely wrong B. I can't believe you think they're pre-recorded! He skips lines, you hear his pitch going out slightly in places when he dancing, he sings quiet in places as he's working out his dances, and sings louder and with more precision as when he's more focused on the vocals. I want you to point out 1 place exactly where you're witnessing him lip. I'm waiting...

Every single song except Beat It is a pre-recorded track that his lipping too. Of course it goes up and down cause it's not the actual studio version. He did record those songs live somehow duh.
It just fathoms me that Jp and you , can not understand what Lynn and I are refering to as a tape. I repeat once more : it's not a recorded studio versions of the songs. It's all re-recorded , LIVE , long before these "rehearsal " scenes. The actual parts of rehearsals where reflecting what a great dancer he is , but no evidence of his real voice WHILE dancing. As fragile and out of shape he was , there is no way he couldve managed to ding LIVE while dancing.

[G.I.Jim]

Of all the songs you posted above , only ONE is live, BEAT IT ,,,,
when I said they're taped , I didn't mean the used the very original track. Just like Lynn mentioned , they're re-records , but he isn't singing any of those live , except Beat It.
The rest are all tape. Of course , you can't tell JeremyP , cause you also thought Augeri was singing live.

You are completely wrong B. I can't believe you think they're pre-recorded! He skips lines, you hear his pitch going out slightly in places when he dancing, he sings quiet in places as he's working out his dances, and sings louder and with more precision as when he's more focused on the vocals. I want you to point out 1 place exactly where you're witnessing him lip. I'm waiting...

Every single song except Beat It is a pre-recorded track that his lipping too. Of course it goes up and down cause it's not the actual studio version. He did record those songs live somehow duh.
It just fathoms me that Jp and you , can not understand what Lynn and I are refering to as a tape. I repeat once more : it's not a recorded studio versions of the songs. It's all re-recorded , LIVE , long before these "rehearsal " scenes. The actual parts of rehearsals where reflecting what a great dancer he is , but no evidence of his real voice WHILE dancing. As fragile and out of shape he was , there is no way he couldve managed to ding LIVE while dancing.

Dude... again, please show me just one example of him lipping. Give me the exact time on the track that you see him go out of sinc. As amazing as it is, and as hard as it is to imagine... he IS singing live in these clips. Nobody is a perfect enough singer to fake or lip these takes EXACTLY. we'd be seeing little slip-ups and mistakes. I've been doing music since the age of three, and I can spot bullshit from a mile away. I've caught Joe Elliott AND Steve Augeri doing it, and can pick it out pretty damn quickly.

If you believe that he wasn't in shape enough to sing these songs, yet you think he could PERFECTLY pull off this sham for 2 1/2 hours of video... I've got some ocean-front property for ya!

Again... just point out 1 place you see him lipping.

[Triple S]

Dude... again, please show me just one example of him lipping. Give me the exact time on the track that you see him go out of sinc. As amazing as it is, and as hard as it is to imagine... he IS singing live in these clips. Nobody is a perfect enough singer to fake or lip these takes EXACTLY. we'd be seeing little slip-ups and mistakes. I've been doing music since the age of three, and I can spot bullshit from a mile away. I've caught Joe Elliott AND Steve Augeri doing it, and can pick it out pretty damn quickly.

If you believe that he wasn't in shape enough to sing these songs, yet you think he could PERFECTLY pull off this sham for 2 1/2 hours of video... I've got some ocean-front property for ya!

Again... just point out 1 place you see him lipping.

I don't believe he is lipping either, but I'm no expert. But even if so, who cares? For me, the movie/documentary is about the magic of Michael Jackson creating something wonderful that no-one will ever see (except for this footage). I saw it twice and I'll buy the DVD.

[Behshad]

How about every effing second of each single song , except for Beat It.

And you really think they recorded the 2 1/2 hour , STRAIGHT. I've got a BOTTOM ocean property for you. Jackson was the MASTER of lipping. Of course you can't catch ANY of the parts of him if he messed up cause belive it or not they had more than ONE camera present , which made it much easier for them to make sure when he messed up they use a camera angle from a not so close point.

Next you probably tell me Jackson NEVER lipped during his tours either.


If it makes it easier for you to enjoy your coolest movie of all time , then ok , he didn't lip one single second.

[JeremyP]

How about every effing second of each single song , except for Beat It.

And you really think they recorded the 2 1/2 hour , STRAIGHT. I've got a BOTTOM ocean property for you. Jackson was the MASTER of lipping. Of course you can't catch ANY of the parts of him if he messed up cause belive it or not they had more than ONE camera present , which made it much easier for them to make sure when he messed up they use a camera angle from a not so close point.

Next you probably tell me Jackson NEVER lipped during his tours either.


If it makes it easier for you to enjoy your coolest movie of all time , then ok , he didn't lip one single second.

Of course he used tapes on previous tours and on "Thriller" and "Jam" as well as parts of "Man In The Mirror" and "Smooth Criminal" for sure on "This Is It''. You can tell they're the original studio tracks. Which begs the question, why not re-record his entire setlist if that's what he was gonna use? Why re-record most of everything else but not those specific songs/parts?

It's obvious it wasn't shot straight through. Besides all the wardrobe changes, if you listen carefully you can hear them fade his vocal from one rehearsal day to the next and you can spot little details like that he sounded better on the day that he wore the brown suit (23rd June) than on the day he wore the gold pants (no clue when).

Just to be clear, your point is that he used re-recorded vocals because you don't think he should've sounded that good?

[JH'sTXfan]

http://new.music.yahoo.com/blogs/hiphop ... t-routine/

[Don]

Jackson didn't start lipping on tours full time until he began to turn white.

[Rhiannon]

It's obvious it wasn't shot straight through. Besides all the wardrobe changes, if you listen carefully you can hear them fade his vocal from one rehearsal day to the next and you can spot little details like that he sounded better on the day that he wore the brown suit (23rd June) than on the day he wore the gold pants (no clue when).

That was June 21st. What you see in the movie of him on the stage at the Staples Center was all shot on June 21, 22, and 23.

...And for the vocals from the show they were all either live or meshed except for Thriller.

[Rhiannon]

There's maybe two three songs there that weren't tape. Most of it is tape man.

You are oh so wrong. Thriller was the only tape. The rest of the songs that didn't appear "live" were audio overlays from the best takes.

[Behshad]

There's maybe two three songs there that weren't tape. Most of it is tape man.

You are oh so wrong. Thriller was the only tape. The rest of the songs that didn't appear "live" were audio overlays from the best takes.

Yeah yeah,,

Audio overlays = not live .

[bluejeangirl76]

I'm totally buying this today.

Might even go get it at lunch since I can't work.
Major computer issues. Waiting for tech guy. SUCKS!!

But yes, will be watching this dvd TONIGHT while I upload vacation pics!
(See Rhiannon's avatar for preview of my vacation pics... LOL!)

Of course, my new av will be me sitting by the J star. Yay!

[bluejeangirl76]

There's maybe two three songs there that weren't tape. Most of it is tape man.

You are oh so wrong. Thriller was the only tape. The rest of the songs that didn't appear "live" were audio overlays from the best takes.

Yeah yeah,,

Audio overlays = not live .

She means the songs at the rehearsals were performed live, not tape used. Dur.

It was a great movie, though. Looking forward to seeing the additional dvd footage.

[Rhiannon]

There's maybe two three songs there that weren't tape. Most of it is tape man.

You are oh so wrong. Thriller was the only tape. The rest of the songs that didn't appear "live" were audio overlays from the best takes.

Yeah yeah,,

Audio overlays = not live .

.

Dude, the audio overlay onto the VIDEO montaged from the footage was taken from rehearsal performances. Don't be a dope, dope. I'm talking post production of the movie.

[Behshad]

There's maybe two three songs there that weren't tape. Most of it is tape man.

You are oh so wrong. Thriller was the only tape. The rest of the songs that didn't appear "live" were audio overlays from the best takes.

Yeah yeah,,

Audio overlays = not live .

She means the songs at the rehearsals were performed live, not tape used. Dur.

It was a great movie, though. Looking forward to seeing the additional dvd footage.

Thats why I used the DUR!!!

But seriously , if people really wanna belive it that it was all live so they can enjoy it better, go for it. It doesnt change the fact that he lipped.

[Rhiannon]

Looking forward to seeing the additional dvd footage.

Wait til you see the fiber optic Billie Jean suit, from the socks to the glove & hat.
I don't know if they'll show the Thriller loafers or not, but the detail was so incredibly ornate, inside & out.

[Behshad]

There's maybe two three songs there that weren't tape. Most of it is tape man.

You are oh so wrong. Thriller was the only tape. The rest of the songs that didn't appear "live" were audio overlays from the best takes.

Yeah yeah,,

Audio overlays = not live .

.

Dude, the audio overlay onto the VIDEO montaged from the footage was taken from rehearsal performances. Don't be a dope, dope. I'm talking post production of the movie.

Hey
There are still Augeri fans out there that say he never lipped. I know youre a HUGE MJ fan,, and I also happen to be a fan... but Im not a blinded fan. Its very clear that he lipped during most of those songs. But as I said, if you enjoy the DVD better thinking it was ALL live, then thats fine. I will also enjoy the DVD, KNOWING he lipped

[brywool]

I said I'd wait for the DVD, so I'll prolly rent it and check it out

You need to buy it Matt, you're gonna like it! He kicks ass in the dvd and I'm amazed at how good he sounded in it. He still had all of the moves, and he even busts out some new moves in it! He did look pretty freakish in it, but that aside... one of the coolest films I've ever seen.

Does he actually SING in it? Michael is NOTORIOUS for lips synching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK2N5C99an0


compared to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGCi5YyB ... re=related

I remember watching him on VH1 a few years ago for a 'concert' and he didn't sing ONE song.

Yeah, he could dance. He could sing, but he didn't sing live for about the last 15 years.



This is what I get for posting after the first post and not reading the entire thread. Carry on!

[Behshad]

I said I'd wait for the DVD, so I'll prolly rent it and check it out

You need to buy it Matt, you're gonna like it! He kicks ass in the dvd and I'm amazed at how good he sounded in it. He still had all of the moves, and he even busts out some new moves in it! He did look pretty freakish in it, but that aside... one of the coolest films I've ever seen.

Does he actually SING in it? Michael is NOTORIOUS for lips synching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK2N5C99an0


compared to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGCi5YyB ... re=related

I remember watching him on VH1 a few years ago for a 'concert' and he didn't sing ONE song.

Yeah, he could dance. He could sing, but he didn't sing live for about the last 15 years.

Thank You!!!

[brywool]

I said I'd wait for the DVD, so I'll prolly rent it and check it out

You need to buy it Matt, you're gonna like it! He kicks ass in the dvd and I'm amazed at how good he sounded in it. He still had all of the moves, and he even busts out some new moves in it! He did look pretty freakish in it, but that aside... one of the coolest films I've ever seen.

Does he actually SING in it? Michael is NOTORIOUS for lips synching.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iK2N5C99an0


compared to
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGCi5YyB ... re=related

I remember watching him on VH1 a few years ago for a 'concert' and he didn't sing ONE song.

Yeah, he could dance. He could sing, but he didn't sing live for about the last 15 years.

Thank You!!!

The example above used the STUDIO track that was on the album. For the ones in This is It, He may have RE-recorded the tracks (ala Journey and Celine Dion) and used the re-records. They're definitely not the studio versions. I haven't had a chance to watch all these clips, just going for how MJ worked during his last "shows". Also, there is NO WAY he could've done all the shows he booked live. Absolutely none.

Regarding the Celine reference- THIS is amazing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOoQ40T9 ... re=related

The first verse is live. NOTHING else is.


There is NO WAY that Beat it is Live in that clip. No way.

[Rhiannon]

Hey
There are still Augeri fans out there that say he never lipped. I know youre a HUGE MJ fan,, and I also happen to be a fan... but Im not a blinded fan. Its very clear that he lipped during most of those songs. But as I said, if you enjoy the DVD better thinking it was ALL live, then thats fine. I will also enjoy the DVD, KNOWING he lipped

I'm not saying he didn't lip/never lipped. I'm saying you're being a little bit to liberal with the lipping brush in regards to the film.

Grab your DVD and let's run this down...

WBSS -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Speechless -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Smooth Criminal -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Jam -- Not lipped, not as obvious. Lyric change.
TDCAU -- Not lipped, placed over part of the studio cut. But still LIVE.
Human Nature -- Not lipped. Obvious. Lyric change.
The Way You Make Me Feel -- Not lipped. Obvious.
J5 Medley -- Not lipped. Obvious.
I Just Can't Stop Loving You -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Thriller -- Album cut. He always always lips Thriller. No big deal.
Beat It -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Black or While -- Not Lipped. Not as obvious.
Earth Song -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Billie Jean -- Not lipped. Obvious. Lyric change.
Man In The Mirror -- Lipped. This was a rundown on June 22nd, for the MJAir vignette. MITM was always lipped because it was the closer & MJ was always planning some big illusory stuff for the ending of the show. Can't switch a body double to strap into a rocket launcher while you hide away in a prop while singing. No big deal.

Wow, you got two whole songs there. I'm not arguing because I'm a super fan, B. I'm arguing this because I'm right.

Enjoy the DVD... the extra features are the best part anyway.

[brywool]

Hey
There are still Augeri fans out there that say he never lipped. I know youre a HUGE MJ fan,, and I also happen to be a fan... but Im not a blinded fan. Its very clear that he lipped during most of those songs. But as I said, if you enjoy the DVD better thinking it was ALL live, then thats fine. I will also enjoy the DVD, KNOWING he lipped

I'm not saying he didn't lip/never lipped. I'm saying you're being a little bit to liberal with the lipping brush in regards to the film.

Grab your DVD and let's run this down...

WBSS -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Speechless -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Smooth Criminal -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Jam -- Not lipped, not as obvious. Lyric change.
TDCAU -- Not lipped, placed over part of the studio cut. But still LIVE.
Human Nature -- Not lipped. Obvious. Lyric change.
The Way You Make Me Feel -- Not lipped. Obvious.
J5 Medley -- Not lipped. Obvious.
I Just Can't Stop Loving You -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Thriller -- Album cut. He always always lips Thriller. No big deal.
Beat It -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Black or While -- Not Lipped. Not as obvious.
Earth Song -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Billie Jean -- Not lipped. Obvious. Lyric change.
Man In The Mirror -- Lipped. This was a rundown on June 22nd, for the MJAir vignette. MITM was always lipped because it was the closer & MJ was always planning some big illusory stuff for the ending of the show. Can't switch a body double to strap into a rocket launcher while you hide away in a prop while singing. No big deal.

Wow, you got two whole songs there. I'm not arguing because I'm a super fan, B. I'm arguing this because I'm right.

Enjoy the DVD... the extra features are the best part anyway.

Beat it is lipped in the Youtube clip that JP posted. He's got a live mic on, but the majority of that vocal is re-recorded.

In Black and White, listen to the first verse. He sings in his normal voice, then jumps to falsetto, yet the mic doesn't move closer into his face, but the falsetto is as loud as the normal voice. You can hear him lighten up on it, yet the mic doesn't move closer. I think that one's also lipped. It really doesn't matter in the scheme of things. The guy was a helluva performer- BUT for people to claim it's live... come on... The vocals have been re-recorded.

[Behshad]

Hey
There are still Augeri fans out there that say he never lipped. I know youre a HUGE MJ fan,, and I also happen to be a fan... but Im not a blinded fan. Its very clear that he lipped during most of those songs. But as I said, if you enjoy the DVD better thinking it was ALL live, then thats fine. I will also enjoy the DVD, KNOWING he lipped

I'm not saying he didn't lip/never lipped. I'm saying you're being a little bit to liberal with the lipping brush in regards to the film.

Grab your DVD and let's run this down...

WBSS -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Speechless -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Smooth Criminal -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Jam -- Not lipped, not as obvious. Lyric change.
TDCAU -- Not lipped, placed over part of the studio cut. But still LIVE.
Human Nature -- Not lipped. Obvious. Lyric change.
The Way You Make Me Feel -- Not lipped. Obvious.
J5 Medley -- Not lipped. Obvious.
I Just Can't Stop Loving You -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Thriller -- Album cut. He always always lips Thriller. No big deal.
Beat It -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Black or While -- Not Lipped. Not as obvious.
Earth Song -- Not lipped. Obvious.
Billie Jean -- Not lipped. Obvious. Lyric change.
Man In The Mirror -- Lipped. This was a rundown on June 22nd, for the MJAir vignette. MITM was always lipped because it was the closer & MJ was always planning some big illusory stuff for the ending of the show. Can't switch a body double to strap into a rocket launcher while you hide away in a prop while singing. No big deal.

Wow, you got two whole songs there. I'm not arguing because I'm a super fan, B. I'm arguing this because I'm right.

Enjoy the DVD... the extra features are the best part anyway.

you use LYRIC change as an evidence that its live ????? I NEVER SAID HE IS USING THE STUDIO VERSIONS!!!! THESE ARE ALL PRE-RECORDED versions of the songs,,, that were piped in while he was lipping...... SO SIMPLE..... of all the ones you mention above only TWO songs were TRUE live,,,, Billie Jean and Beait It,.,,,,

[brywool]

one thing aside from the lip synch thing- remember a few years ago, the guy could hardly walk across the floor without looking super frail and speaking in a whisper.

In these clips, he acts like Superman (comparatively speaking). Weird.

[Rhiannon]

Beat it is lipped in the Youtube clip that JP posted. He's got a live mic on, but the majority of that vocal is re-recorded.

Here's the audio. If you want to say this is lipped, that's cool. We can agree to disagree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0SurxrkA2c

[Behshad]

Beat it is lipped in the Youtube clip that JP posted. He's got a live mic on, but the majority of that vocal is re-recorded.

Here's the audio. If you want to say this is lipped, that's cool. We can agree to disagree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0SurxrkA2c

Its not about agreeing to disagree,,,, its about the fact that brywool is right !

[brywool]

Beat it is lipped in the Youtube clip that JP posted. He's got a live mic on, but the majority of that vocal is re-recorded.

Here's the audio. If you want to say this is lipped, that's cool. We can agree to disagree.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0SurxrkA2c

That sounds different than the clip JP posted...