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Postby RossValoryRocks » Sun Dec 19, 2010 5:01 pm

Rockindeano wrote:
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Rockindeano wrote:
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Rockindeano wrote:Unbelievable how close minded you on the right are.


Though I agree with you on this issue, I've seen FAR MORE anti-gay bigotry on this board from folks on the left than those on the right. It's not even close.


STFU, Dave. I was just starting to like you again.

Really, this is complete bullshit and utter nonsense. There are so many examples to prove you dead fucking wrong on this one that my head is spinning.


Really??? Find a few then, and POST THEM, totally anti-gay bigoted statement from a conservative on this board...just a few is all I ask...one that isn't a joke (though that is as demeaning as anything). I can find a TON just from Deano, granted I know he is joking, as do most of us here, but to someone who doesn't know Deano it would appear that he is a homophoic bigot.


Just click on Saint john then "view all posts" LOL, he hates gays!


I stand corrected...but over all?? Dan is in a class by himself isn't he?


Oh for sure. That guy even hates lesbians! And by the way fucker, I am pro gay rights....please don't put me in with the anti gay crowd. I don't believe in ANY discrimination except one.....I believe in the wholeheartedly discrimination of RobbieG.


I know that...I was commenting that SOME of your posts could be construed by someone who doesn't know you as homophoic bigotry.
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Postby G.I.Jim » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:07 am

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Not to mention that heterosexual men do not want to shower or share a foxhole with someone who is checking out their package. Would you want to? This is different than someone who just works in an office with others. We're talking about men who trust their lives with each other, shower together, sleep together, etc... for months at a time. The biggest thing our service members have when they're deployed is each other. When you can't trust that the guy next to you isn't going to make the moves on you, it throws trust right out the window.



:lol:

This is one of the funniest things I've read on here in a long time! I hope it's cleverly disguised satire...Are you a writer for The Onion in your spare time? :wink:


This would seem funny to someone who's never had to dig a foxhole and sleep in it with a fellow soldier, spend months away from your family, and have to share showers with 60 other men. You're right, it is funny.
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Postby No Surprize » Mon Dec 20, 2010 1:27 am

Behshad wrote:Congrats to you Bobby , SteveW2 and NoSurprize ;)


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Hand it to you Behshad, good one. I have no qualms whatsoever about gays in the military. If your a competent solider, do your job, protect our country, more power to you. Never in my life would I judge a person, if I knew, on their sexuality. Do your job, what you do outside of work is your business and what I do is mine. The man upstairs will be the only one I will have to answer to.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:05 am

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Fixed it for you b :twisted: :lol:


Blow me! And for the record, I think it's the worst decision they could have made. :? No offense to you Bobby, but it IS going to cause conflicts, and cost American lives.


That's bullshit Jim, no offense to you. ;-) It's hyperbole and fear that people are spouting about "it's a horrible decision".

The horrible decision was to ever think that any member of our military should have to hide who they are.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:08 am

Fact Finder wrote:Disclaimer: Not saying I agree with all of this article, but post it to give a whole other viewpoint that I've heard expressed before. Don't shoot the messenger, I'm not even the piano player. :wink: And yes, this is some right wing blog and just another guys opinion. TIFWIW.

http://www.renewamerica.com/columns/dunkin/101217

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December 17, 2010

Why they want to homosexualize the military


We all know that people on the Left are the great destroyers. There is not a single institution in this great land that they do not want to tear down, demolish, devastate, obliterate, and annihilate. There is not a single just and righteous law that they do not seek to subvert and overturn. There is not a single needful tradition that they don't desire to delegitimize and replace with abject nonsense. The object of all this effort on their part is power — pure, unadulterated power. They want to be able to run our lives, they want to be able to dictate to us what we can and can't believe, read, see, think, say, and do. While they may mask their agenda behind warm and fuzzy phrases like "civil rights," the fact of the matter is that those on the Left — or at least those who are the drivers behind the ideology (i.e. not the "useful idiots" who make up the rank-and-file that most folks tend to interact with on a day by day basis) — couldn't care less about anybody's rights, real or imagined. They only care about their own privilege and power.

That's why the American people are currently being subjected to groping and pornographing at the airports when they want to travel by air. I think it can be safely said that nobody who knows anything about it actually thinks that the new TSA rules and requirements (or the old ones, for that matter) do anything to "make us safer." If you actually believe that, then I've got some prime beachfront property near Tucson that I'd like to interest you in purchasing. The TSA is not going to "stop terrorists" by sexually assaulting 90-year old great-grandmothers. We all know that. What's more, the TSA knows that too. You, me, them, we all know that this isn't about safety. It's about power and control. The TSA does it because they can do it — because you can be fined, arrested, and permanently banned from flying if you don't let them do it. This administration has given them that power because it wants to inure the American people to government control. Further, I believe, these new rules are designed to punish the American people for voting the Democrats out last month. The timing seems more than just a little coincidental.

This, however, is just one part of the overarching effort by the Left — by people like Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and those like George Soros who back them behind the scenes — to enserf the American people. What we need to understand is that those on the Left, ranging from politicians to "activists" to academics, are personally offended by widespread freedom. The idea that you and I might be able to just live our own lives without the "guidance" of those who know better than we do is something that your average Leftist detests. What? You don't want to use those new, expensive, environmentally-friendly fluorescent bulbs instead of the old-fashioned, cheap, utilitarian incandescent kind? Well too bad, we'll just impose a law that prohibits the manufacture of the old bulbs, requires you to use the new ones, and punishes you if you don't. Don't think it's possible? It's already reality in some places in Europe, and the groundwork has already been laid here.

Or how about this guy, a 72-year old man who is being evicted from his property because he doesn't have power, water, or sewer service to his trailer. But he lives in the middle of 38 acres, is not bothering anybody, and is presenting no sort of "public health" hazard to anybody. But he's "breaking too many rules, laws, and ordinances" — which probably shouldn't even be rules, laws, and ordinances in the first place. He committed the crime of not needing somebody else, of being able to operate independently without having to fork over money to some state-regulated utility and without needing the assistance of the all-powerful state. We can't have that, now can we? It sets a bad example for the rest, don't you know.

Freedom of religion, freedom of speech, property rights, firearms ownership, and all the rest — those are the worst excesses of impudent and insolent serfs who need to be brought to heel.

But the problem for the Left in imposing this agenda on Americans was alluded to in my previous sentence — "firearms ownership." There's an old saying I used to have on a bumper sticker, several vehicles ago. It said, "A man with a gun is a citizen. A man without a gun is a subject." If there is anybody who knows the truth of this statement, it is the Left. Deep down inside, they know that an armed, independent populace is the main thing that prevents them from being able to openly step in and establish their control.

How to deal with this problem?

They tried imposing gun control laws on to the people, but this has proven to be only marginally successful. Under the guise of "public safety," most people can't get their hands onto the really powerful sort of personal weapons like fully automatic assault rifles, military-grade machine guns, grenades, and so forth. However, there are still millions of rifles, shotguns, carbines, and pistols that are in private hands. And the courts — to their rare credit — have been most unhelpful in approving the justification for disarming the people of these weapons. Just like with the TSA above, anybody who knows anything knows that gun control is not about "stopping crime." It's about disarming the citizenry so they can be controlled more easily. That hasn't worked, however.

This creates a dilemma for the radical Left. They want — they need — to be able to control us. This is a categorical imperative for them. They simply cannot tolerate impudent wretches who won't get with the program of being eco-friendly, gay-positive, and entirely submissive. But, they can't necessarily use the police powers of the state as they are presently constituted to force us to go along with their program.

Sure, they could begin to try to systematically disarm us through the use of federal, state, and local police agencies engaging in warrantless, no-knock surprise raids on gun owners. But let's face it — there are almost 100 million gun owners in this country, most of whom are gun owners at least in part because they are ideologically committed to the constitutional right to keep and bear arms. There simply are not enough police to grab everybody's guns at once, and once this targeted class of people get tipped off that they're next on the list, we can expect (understandably) that this will generate quite a lot of "civil strife." The police apparatus in this country simply doesn't have the manpower or the firepower to pull it off — and would likely find its manpower diminishing rapidly once the "civil strife" began.

What to do, what to do.

That's where the military comes in. The Army has a lot bigger guns than the police do. While disgruntled gun owners may be able to use hunting rifles and shotguns to fend off the police (who, as experience throughout modern history has shown, are remarkably poor at carrying on sustained military-type activity before their morale breaks), tanks and helicopter gunships are quite another matter.

The problem, however, is that the military generally tends to attract and employ conservative, flag-waving, patriotic good ol' boy types who won't be too keen on allowing themselves to be used to round up their fellow Americans so as to take their guns, and possibly put them in "re-education" camps. Sure, there may be some military personnel who would willingly go along with that, but it's doubtful they'd get too far with it before the military itself fell into internal discord as most of the soldiers refuse to follow illegal, blatantly unconstitutional orders, and perhaps even tried to forcefully stop those who did act upon them.

The obvious answer, then, is to alter the composition of the military.

And how better to do that than by making it a place where all those flag-waving patriotic regressives who just can't get with the program won't want to be?

This, perhaps, is what lies behind the insane drive to repeal "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" and to homosexualize the U.S. military. The Left has been driving at this for years, under the guise of "civil rights" (note: nobody has the "right" to serve in the military). Their moles in the Pentagon recently released a bogus report that supposedly suggested that military personnel would be just dandy with openly serving gays. Of course, once you start to parse the report and look at some of the internal data (i.e. move beyond the headlines, which is as far as most people seem capable of getting), you find out that actually, the combat arms of the military would be most UNhappy with serving alongside openly gay comrades. It would lower morale. It would reduce unit cohesiveness. In fact, the military personnel who generally said they'd be fine with openly gay soldiers were the people who serve in administrative, logistical, and other "office" type jobs — i.e. the folks who get to go home to their individual base housing after their 9-5 shift is up, and who wouldn't actually have to live, work, sleep, and shower with open homosexuals flaunting their behavior at all hours of the day.

Buried within the report was a most interesting little fact — a little over 12% of personnel currently serving said they would resign or decide not to re-up should gays be allowed to serve openly. Think about that. That means that, if DADT is repealed, fully 1/8 of the U.S. military will leave. That translates into several hundred thousand persons.

Persons who can then be replaced by out-and-out homosexuals. Homosexuals who, typically, have an antipathy towards flag-waving, God-and-country style conservatism. Homosexuals like Bradley Manning, the Wikileaker, who was so emotionally unstable that he let his personal disagreement with official policy become a "reason" for leaking highly classified information that has now put the lives of many at risk. Homosexuals who would have no problem at all with helping to put down "regressive" elements within our society who impede the march to the Leftist utopia of, among other things, the normalization of homosexuality.

And as more gays join, more normal people will leave or will simply not join in the first place, until you have a military that is made up of two types of people — homosexuals and the morally weak who just "go with the flow" and won't stand on any sort of conservative, traditional principles. Exactly the type of military force who will go along with disarming and subjugating the American people.

Don't assume that a homosexualized military would be too wimpy to do it, either. Despite the common stereotypes of homosexuals as limp-wristed pansies, we need to understand that the "gay culture" of interior designers and lisping art museum curators is a modern phenomenon. For most of the history of mankind, those who engaged in homosexual behavior have actually been rather violent and uncontrolled — not unexpected from a lifestyle choice that epitomizes the lack of self-control. Think about it — when we see the Sodomites in the Bible, what were they doing? Trying to violently force themselves onto some men. Among the Greeks, those who engaged in homosexuality were often the most violent. Take the Spartans, for instance. They were the warrior caste par excellence in classical Greece — and they were open practitioners of both adult homosexuality as well as pederasty. Another example would be the Theban "Sacred Band," a group of 150 pairs of homosexual lovers who formed the cream of the crop of the military of Thebes, another Greek polis, known for their fierceness and invincibility in battle. And of course, one need only look at the American prison system to understand the fact that violence and male homosexuality (especially) go hand in hand. So don't think for a minute that a homosexualized U.S. military would be too afraid of breaking a nail to go roughing up the American people.

Call it a conspiracy theory, but I have a strong feeling that this is what lies behind a lot of the agenda of repealing DADT and allowing gays to openly serve in the military. It's a way of getting out of the way the folks who won't participate in the enserfment of the American people, and replacing them with some folks who will, and in fact, who might just be chomping at the bit for a chance to stick it to those conservative Christian patriots who stand for God's laws and for traditional American values. Repealing DADT isn't about "civil rights," nor is it even just about the further mainstreaming of homosexuality in the American social conscience. It might very well be about bending the military to the will of the Leftists, so it can become a tool for breaking the rest of us. I hope I'm wrong about that.







The first line, "We all know that people on the Left are the great destroyers." proved to me it would be a complete waste of time to read that piece of shit opinion.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:10 am

Rockindeano wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:[Blow me! And for the record, I think it's the worst decision they could have made. :? No offense to you Bobby, but it IS going to cause conflicts, and cost American lives.


Your mindset just flabbergasts me. Why the hate for some fellow soldiers because they are gay? Why does this bother you? I don't get it. An openly gay US citizen wants to proudly serve his/her country, and you on the right are worried. Just how in the fuck is it going to cost American lives? Unbelievable how close minded you on the right are. I'll tell you what costs American lives. Poorly planned wars(Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz)...Lying to the United Nations..Bush Administration...no exit strategy...Bush administration. Look in the fucking mirror when discussing American lives. Just how many have been lost due to the three points I just made? Gee, I bet this new law allowing gays to serve will be right up there with these huh? Too much. Are you a homophobe, Jim? Is it a conservative thing? A Southern thing? Seriously, why the hate against gays?


Devastatingly accurate!
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Postby G.I.Jim » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:12 am

BobbyinTN wrote:
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Behshad wrote:Congrats to you Bobby , SteveW2 and NoSurprize and GI Jim ;)


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Fixed it for you b :twisted: :lol:


Blow me! And for the record, I think it's the worst decision they could have made. :? No offense to you Bobby, but it IS going to cause conflicts, and cost American lives.


That's bullshit Jim, no offense to you. ;-) It's hyperbole and fear that people are spouting about "it's a horrible decision".

The horrible decision was to ever think that any member of our military should have to hide who they are.


Bobby, you and I have been friends here for quite a while now, and you know my stance on this. I'll just have to respectfully agree to disagree here. I do think the world of you though.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:16 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
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G.I.Jim wrote:[Blow me! And for the record, I think it's the worst decision they could have made. :? No offense to you Bobby, but it IS going to cause conflicts, and cost American lives.


Your mindset just flabbergasts me. Why the hate for some fellow soldiers because they are gay? Why does this bother you? I don't get it. An openly gay US citizen wants to proudly serve his/her country, and you on the right are worried. Just how in the fuck is it going to cost American lives? Unbelievable how close minded you on the right are. I'll tell you what costs American lives. Poorly planned wars(Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz)...Lying to the United Nations..Bush Administration...no exit strategy...Bush administration. Look in the fucking mirror when discussing American lives. Just how many have been lost due to the three points I just made? Gee, I bet this new law allowing gays to serve will be right up there with these huh? Too much. Are you a homophobe, Jim? Is it a conservative thing? A Southern thing? Seriously, why the hate against gays?


Dude, as someone who once wore the military uniform, how can you possibly be so ignorant to the fact that lives will be lost because of this? I have great, openly gay friends and am not a homophobe, so you can shove that theory right up your ass! Do they allow women in the military to serve on the front lines? No. You know why? Well there are a lot of reasons, but one of them is because if there are relationships going on during conflict, you aren't going to be focused on what the fuck you're supposed to be doing over there. You know what that does? It costs lives!

Not to mention that heterosexual men do not want to shower or share a foxhole with someone who is checking out their package. Would you want to? This is different than someone who just works in an office with others. We're talking about men who trust their lives with each other, shower together, sleep together, etc... for months at a time. The biggest thing our service members have when they're deployed is each other. When you can't trust that the guy next to you isn't going to make the moves on you, it throws trust right out the window.

You know what's going to happen now that this has been signed? Every gay who is in the military is going to come out of the closet, and they're going to cause tension in the ranks. You WILL see some of them acting flamboyantly and it will cause lives. mark my words.

And how the fuck do you turn everything that's said into a Bush debate? For fuck's sake Deano, get over him already!!! :roll:



Oh my fucking God! Jim, you claim not to be a homophobe, but every word of that statement proves differently. Are straight guys not going to be able to control themselves now that they KNOW for sure that a fellow soldier is gay? Oh, wait, I know what it is, gay men can't control themselves and they will attack and harass any man in the vicinity.

Fear and ignorance is what you're spewing Jim, not facts. Gay soldiers serve every day, side by side with straight soldiers and most of the straight soldiers already know it.

Please, reflect on what you've stated and get better. And the "flamboyant" remark is the most homophobic statement I've seen from anyone in a very long time.

I feel bad for your gay friends if you speak like that around them.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:19 am

RPM wrote:
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Rockindeano wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:[Blow me! And for the record, I think it's the worst decision they could have made. :? No offense to you Bobby, but it IS going to cause conflicts, and cost American lives.


Your mindset just flabbergasts me. Why the hate for some fellow soldiers because they are gay? Why does this bother you? I don't get it. An openly gay US citizen wants to proudly serve his/her country, and you on the right are worried. Just how in the fuck is it going to cost American lives? Unbelievable how close minded you on the right are. I'll tell you what costs American lives. Poorly planned wars(Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz)...Lying to the United Nations..Bush Administration...no exit strategy...Bush administration. Look in the fucking mirror when discussing American lives. Just how many have been lost due to the three points I just made? Gee, I bet this new law allowing gays to serve will be right up there with these huh? Too much. Are you a homophobe, Jim? Is it a conservative thing? A Southern thing? Seriously, why the hate against gays?


Don't assume all of us "on the right" feel as you say we do. I'm glad to see DADT gone. I think a person's sexual preferences should be irrelevant when it comes to military service. At the same time, I don't think it's right for anyone-straight or gay-to flaunt their sexuality to the point that it interferes with their job-military or otherwise.




And this is what people " on the left" do not seem to get, DADT assumed people would serve without having to promote their sexual orientation, as the law stands, you can be whatever you want , its really nobody's business what you prefer,
and i agree with that, but thats not good enough, its as if they need some approval that this lifestyle is normal and preferable in american society.



Wrong. Homosexual soldiers couldn't write their loved ones, couldn't call and say I love you or brag about them to their friends without fear of losing their jobs. It's not about sex, it's about love and not being ashamed of who you love. And no one has to "approve" of any fucking thing, but no one has the right to discriminate either.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:23 am

RPM wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
RPM wrote:
Angel wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:[Blow me! And for the record, I think it's the worst decision they could have made. :? No offense to you Bobby, but it IS going to cause conflicts, and cost American lives.


Your mindset just flabbergasts me. Why the hate for some fellow soldiers because they are gay? Why does this bother you? I don't get it. An openly gay US citizen wants to proudly serve his/her country, and you on the right are worried. Just how in the fuck is it going to cost American lives? Unbelievable how close minded you on the right are. I'll tell you what costs American lives. Poorly planned wars(Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz)...Lying to the United Nations..Bush Administration...no exit strategy...Bush administration. Look in the fucking mirror when discussing American lives. Just how many have been lost due to the three points I just made? Gee, I bet this new law allowing gays to serve will be right up there with these huh? Too much. Are you a homophobe, Jim? Is it a conservative thing? A Southern thing? Seriously, why the hate against gays?


Don't assume all of us "on the right" feel as you say we do. I'm glad to see DADT gone. I think a person's sexual preferences should be irrelevant when it comes to military service. At the same time, I don't think it's right for anyone-straight or gay-to flaunt their sexuality to the point that it interferes with their job-military or otherwise.




And this is what people " on the left" do not seem to get, DADT assumed people would serve without having to promote their sexual orientation, as the law stands, you can be whatever you want , its really nobody's business what you prefer,
and i agree with that, but thats not good enough, its as if they need some approval that this lifestyle is normal and preferable in american society.



I see your point, and some on the left want just that, what you said, "to have their lifestyle championed." I think that is bullshit too. I just want there to be no discrimination against gays. It's as if they want a medal for sucking a big dick or something.


Agreed. for someone to serve their country is a sacrificial service to all of us who enjoy the benefits, however, there is no need to intertwine service to your country with sexual orientation.



Why not? Straight soldiers do it all the time.
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Postby BobbyinTN » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:28 am

Don wrote:I'll let you guys in on a little secret. The only place gay soldiers ever had a problem was in the States. For years, overseas base commanders have been turning the other cheek to this issue as much as they could, unless some base chaplain or one asshole with an axe to grind made a big deal out of it. Things I hadn't really been exposed to in the military (racism, homophobia) were never an ongoing issue for me to have any concerns about with my peers/subordinates until I got stationed in the states. Then it was like moving from the suburbs into a trailer park. All the camaraderie and sense of family I had encountered during my tours in both theaters seemed to have evaporated when I hit the home turf. I fucking hated it and couldn't wait to get back out of country again.

So, for those sayng it won't work, it HAS been working on a smaller scale for quite a while now. If it takes mandatory posting of every backwoods country fuck or puritan to more liberal bases overseas to get them acclimated to the idea, then so be it.
It hasn't decimated the other militaries of the free world that have accepted it and it won't here.


True! I've got friends in the military and they said they started training over a year ago on how to create a good atmosphere and accept the fact that DADT would be repealed.

The bottom line is soldiers take orders and if their commanding officers instruct them that bigotry and homophobia will not be tolerated, the soldiers have to adhere to the rules and go about their business. It will be a part of the rules and enforced strictly. If straight soldiers do act like idiots they'll be discharged.

If the soldiers that don't like this ruling want to leave, let them. They won't be missed.
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Postby G.I.Jim » Mon Dec 20, 2010 2:33 am

BobbyinTN wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:[Blow me! And for the record, I think it's the worst decision they could have made. :? No offense to you Bobby, but it IS going to cause conflicts, and cost American lives.


Your mindset just flabbergasts me. Why the hate for some fellow soldiers because they are gay? Why does this bother you? I don't get it. An openly gay US citizen wants to proudly serve his/her country, and you on the right are worried. Just how in the fuck is it going to cost American lives? Unbelievable how close minded you on the right are. I'll tell you what costs American lives. Poorly planned wars(Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz)...Lying to the United Nations..Bush Administration...no exit strategy...Bush administration. Look in the fucking mirror when discussing American lives. Just how many have been lost due to the three points I just made? Gee, I bet this new law allowing gays to serve will be right up there with these huh? Too much. Are you a homophobe, Jim? Is it a conservative thing? A Southern thing? Seriously, why the hate against gays?


Dude, as someone who once wore the military uniform, how can you possibly be so ignorant to the fact that lives will be lost because of this? I have great, openly gay friends and am not a homophobe, so you can shove that theory right up your ass! Do they allow women in the military to serve on the front lines? No. You know why? Well there are a lot of reasons, but one of them is because if there are relationships going on during conflict, you aren't going to be focused on what the fuck you're supposed to be doing over there. You know what that does? It costs lives!

Not to mention that heterosexual men do not want to shower or share a foxhole with someone who is checking out their package. Would you want to? This is different than someone who just works in an office with others. We're talking about men who trust their lives with each other, shower together, sleep together, etc... for months at a time. The biggest thing our service members have when they're deployed is each other. When you can't trust that the guy next to you isn't going to make the moves on you, it throws trust right out the window.

You know what's going to happen now that this has been signed? Every gay who is in the military is going to come out of the closet, and they're going to cause tension in the ranks. You WILL see some of them acting flamboyantly and it will cause lives. mark my words.

And how the fuck do you turn everything that's said into a Bush debate? For fuck's sake Deano, get over him already!!! :roll:



Oh my fucking God! Jim, you claim not to be a homophobe, but every word of that statement proves differently. Are straight guys not going to be able to control themselves now that they KNOW for sure that a fellow soldier is gay? Oh, wait, I know what it is, gay men can't control themselves and they will attack and harass any man in the vicinity.

Fear and ignorance is what you're spewing Jim, not facts. Gay soldiers serve every day, side by side with straight soldiers and most of the straight soldiers already know it.

Please, reflect on what you've stated and get better. And the "flamboyant" remark is the most homophobic statement I've seen from anyone in a very long time.

I feel bad for your gay friends if you speak like that around them.


I stand by my comments. In my 19 1/2 years, I can tell you that I have not known of 1 male homosexual male in the military. I'm sure there have been, but they've hid it very well. I have seen some nasty lesbian soldiers though that looked more man than Chuck Norris! If you think I'm wrong with the "Flamboyant" remark... just wait. I will be right back in here with evidence of it within weeks. It's already happened in my recruiting office for Christ's sake! :roll:

I had a guy in my office who made Richard Simmons look like the Marlboro man!! He came in there with his hands on his hips, calling me "Honey", high as a fucking kite, demanding to be enlisted. He had stolen his "roommate's" car and come down to the recruiting office. He had his shirt tied in a knot in the front and pranced up and down our halls like a 12 year old girl. He started yelling and crying when I told him that he wasn't eligible for enlistment. His disqualification was because the dumb-ass had 4 FELONIES, yet he was insisting that I wouldn't enlist him because he was gay! You can't even enlist with more than 5 speeding or seatbelt violations, and this guy had 4 felonies. :roll:

He was simply acting out because of his stance. Now you expect me to believe that once they're all allowed to be open about it, that there will be no flamboyant outbursts like the one I already encountered?

And who said anything about gays "attacking" anybody? WTF are you talking about? They will be making advances on straight soldiers though, and how many people are going to get hurt because of that? :?
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Postby BobbyinTN » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:05 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
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G.I.Jim wrote:
Rockindeano wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:[Blow me! And for the record, I think it's the worst decision they could have made. :? No offense to you Bobby, but it IS going to cause conflicts, and cost American lives.


Your mindset just flabbergasts me. Why the hate for some fellow soldiers because they are gay? Why does this bother you? I don't get it. An openly gay US citizen wants to proudly serve his/her country, and you on the right are worried. Just how in the fuck is it going to cost American lives? Unbelievable how close minded you on the right are. I'll tell you what costs American lives. Poorly planned wars(Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz)...Lying to the United Nations..Bush Administration...no exit strategy...Bush administration. Look in the fucking mirror when discussing American lives. Just how many have been lost due to the three points I just made? Gee, I bet this new law allowing gays to serve will be right up there with these huh? Too much. Are you a homophobe, Jim? Is it a conservative thing? A Southern thing? Seriously, why the hate against gays?


Dude, as someone who once wore the military uniform, how can you possibly be so ignorant to the fact that lives will be lost because of this? I have great, openly gay friends and am not a homophobe, so you can shove that theory right up your ass! Do they allow women in the military to serve on the front lines? No. You know why? Well there are a lot of reasons, but one of them is because if there are relationships going on during conflict, you aren't going to be focused on what the fuck you're supposed to be doing over there. You know what that does? It costs lives!

Not to mention that heterosexual men do not want to shower or share a foxhole with someone who is checking out their package. Would you want to? This is different than someone who just works in an office with others. We're talking about men who trust their lives with each other, shower together, sleep together, etc... for months at a time. The biggest thing our service members have when they're deployed is each other. When you can't trust that the guy next to you isn't going to make the moves on you, it throws trust right out the window.

You know what's going to happen now that this has been signed? Every gay who is in the military is going to come out of the closet, and they're going to cause tension in the ranks. You WILL see some of them acting flamboyantly and it will cause lives. mark my words.

And how the fuck do you turn everything that's said into a Bush debate? For fuck's sake Deano, get over him already!!! :roll:



Oh my fucking God! Jim, you claim not to be a homophobe, but every word of that statement proves differently. Are straight guys not going to be able to control themselves now that they KNOW for sure that a fellow soldier is gay? Oh, wait, I know what it is, gay men can't control themselves and they will attack and harass any man in the vicinity.

Fear and ignorance is what you're spewing Jim, not facts. Gay soldiers serve every day, side by side with straight soldiers and most of the straight soldiers already know it.

Please, reflect on what you've stated and get better. And the "flamboyant" remark is the most homophobic statement I've seen from anyone in a very long time.

I feel bad for your gay friends if you speak like that around them.


I stand by my comments. In my 19 1/2 years, I can tell you that I have not known of 1 male homosexual male in the military. I'm sure there have been, but they've hid it very well. I have seen some nasty lesbian soldiers though that looked more man than Chuck Norris! If you think I'm wrong with the "Flamboyant" remark... just wait. I will be right back in here with evidence of it within weeks. It's already happened in my recruiting office for Christ's sake! :roll:

I had a guy in my office who made Richard Simmons look like the Marlboro man!! He came in there with his hands on his hips, calling me "Honey", high as a fucking kite, demanding to be enlisted. He had stolen his "roommate's" car and come down to the recruiting office. He had his shirt tied in a knot in the front and pranced up and down our halls like a 12 year old girl. He started yelling and crying when I told him that he wasn't eligible for enlistment. His disqualification was because the dumb-ass had 4 FELONIES, yet he was insisting that I wouldn't enlist him because he was gay! You can't even enlist with more than 5 speeding or seatbelt violations, and this guy had 4 felonies. :roll:

He was simply acting out because of his stance. Now you expect me to believe that once they're all allowed to be open about it, that there will be no flamboyant outbursts like the one I already encountered?

And who said anything about gays "attacking" anybody? WTF are you talking about? They will be making advances on straight soldiers though, and how many people are going to get hurt because of that? :?



A gay guy makes an unwanted advance and a fuckin' neanderthal can't handle it with common sense and he attacks the soldier, he'll be discharged as will the gay soldier who made the sexual advance.

No one is going to be hurt because gays can serve openly. That's ridiculous.

And if someone is "flamboyant" they are always flamboyant and aren't gonna hide it. It's no worse that some asshole who tries to prove he's a man by beating up people or talking about "pussy" and "getting laid" all the time.
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Postby Jana » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:23 am

G.I.Jim wrote:
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Not to mention that heterosexual men do not want to shower or share a foxhole with someone who is checking out their package. Would you want to? This is different than someone who just works in an office with others. We're talking about men who trust their lives with each other, shower together, sleep together, etc... for months at a time. The biggest thing our service members have when they're deployed is each other. When you can't trust that the guy next to you isn't going to make the moves on you, it throws trust right out the window.



:lol:

This is one of the funniest things I've read on here in a long time! I hope it's cleverly disguised satire...Are you a writer for The Onion in your spare time? :wink:


This would seem funny to someone who's never had to dig a foxhole and sleep in it with a fellow soldier, spend months away from your family, and have to share showers with 60 other men. You're right, it is funny.


The thing is the gays HAVE BEEN beside you in showers and foxholes. There's plenty of gays in the military. It looks like they were plenty trusted and weren't making moves on you. LOL
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Postby G.I.Jim » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:24 am

BobbyinTN wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
BobbyinTN wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
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G.I.Jim wrote:[Blow me! And for the record, I think it's the worst decision they could have made. :? No offense to you Bobby, but it IS going to cause conflicts, and cost American lives.


Your mindset just flabbergasts me. Why the hate for some fellow soldiers because they are gay? Why does this bother you? I don't get it. An openly gay US citizen wants to proudly serve his/her country, and you on the right are worried. Just how in the fuck is it going to cost American lives? Unbelievable how close minded you on the right are. I'll tell you what costs American lives. Poorly planned wars(Bush, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz)...Lying to the United Nations..Bush Administration...no exit strategy...Bush administration. Look in the fucking mirror when discussing American lives. Just how many have been lost due to the three points I just made? Gee, I bet this new law allowing gays to serve will be right up there with these huh? Too much. Are you a homophobe, Jim? Is it a conservative thing? A Southern thing? Seriously, why the hate against gays?


Dude, as someone who once wore the military uniform, how can you possibly be so ignorant to the fact that lives will be lost because of this? I have great, openly gay friends and am not a homophobe, so you can shove that theory right up your ass! Do they allow women in the military to serve on the front lines? No. You know why? Well there are a lot of reasons, but one of them is because if there are relationships going on during conflict, you aren't going to be focused on what the fuck you're supposed to be doing over there. You know what that does? It costs lives!

Not to mention that heterosexual men do not want to shower or share a foxhole with someone who is checking out their package. Would you want to? This is different than someone who just works in an office with others. We're talking about men who trust their lives with each other, shower together, sleep together, etc... for months at a time. The biggest thing our service members have when they're deployed is each other. When you can't trust that the guy next to you isn't going to make the moves on you, it throws trust right out the window.

You know what's going to happen now that this has been signed? Every gay who is in the military is going to come out of the closet, and they're going to cause tension in the ranks. You WILL see some of them acting flamboyantly and it will cause lives. mark my words.

And how the fuck do you turn everything that's said into a Bush debate? For fuck's sake Deano, get over him already!!! :roll:



Oh my fucking God! Jim, you claim not to be a homophobe, but every word of that statement proves differently. Are straight guys not going to be able to control themselves now that they KNOW for sure that a fellow soldier is gay? Oh, wait, I know what it is, gay men can't control themselves and they will attack and harass any man in the vicinity.

Fear and ignorance is what you're spewing Jim, not facts. Gay soldiers serve every day, side by side with straight soldiers and most of the straight soldiers already know it.

Please, reflect on what you've stated and get better. And the "flamboyant" remark is the most homophobic statement I've seen from anyone in a very long time.

I feel bad for your gay friends if you speak like that around them.


I stand by my comments. In my 19 1/2 years, I can tell you that I have not known of 1 male homosexual male in the military. I'm sure there have been, but they've hid it very well. I have seen some nasty lesbian soldiers though that looked more man than Chuck Norris! If you think I'm wrong with the "Flamboyant" remark... just wait. I will be right back in here with evidence of it within weeks. It's already happened in my recruiting office for Christ's sake! :roll:

I had a guy in my office who made Richard Simmons look like the Marlboro man!! He came in there with his hands on his hips, calling me "Honey", high as a fucking kite, demanding to be enlisted. He had stolen his "roommate's" car and come down to the recruiting office. He had his shirt tied in a knot in the front and pranced up and down our halls like a 12 year old girl. He started yelling and crying when I told him that he wasn't eligible for enlistment. His disqualification was because the dumb-ass had 4 FELONIES, yet he was insisting that I wouldn't enlist him because he was gay! You can't even enlist with more than 5 speeding or seatbelt violations, and this guy had 4 felonies. :roll:

He was simply acting out because of his stance. Now you expect me to believe that once they're all allowed to be open about it, that there will be no flamboyant outbursts like the one I already encountered?

And who said anything about gays "attacking" anybody? WTF are you talking about? They will be making advances on straight soldiers though, and how many people are going to get hurt because of that? :?



A gay guy makes an unwanted advance and a fuckin' neanderthal can't handle it with common sense and he attacks the soldier, he'll be discharged as will the gay soldier who made the sexual advance.

No one is going to be hurt because gays can serve openly. That's ridiculous.

And if someone is "flamboyant" they are always flamboyant and aren't gonna hide it. It's no worse that some asshole who tries to prove he's a man by beating up people or talking about "pussy" and "getting laid" all the time.


Bobby, if this were a female that the advance happened to, what do you think would happen? Now let me ask you this... Would the female then have to sleep right next to this person who hit on her? How you don't see this as a problem amazes me. Gays have been getting their asses kicked and killed by fellow soldiers for as long as the military has been around. It's wrong as hell and I hate that it does happen, but how do you think that them coming out is not going to start more of this?

You act like I want to kick gays asses and talk about pussy! Well, ok maybe the 2nd 1/2 of that statement is correct, but I'm a happily married, heterosexual, non-homophobic male who's comfortable with who I am. I'm not stating that I feel uncomfortable around homosexuals. I work in an office, and get to go home every night to my wife. I'm thinking about the soldiers out there on the front lines that don't have that option.

If I'm wrong, I'll be the first to admit it (and have in here more times than I can count), but I'm just stating what I believe. If I'm wrong, so be it. I HOPE I'm wrong, but I know soldiers pretty well. This subject comes up all the time when I'm around soldiers, and they don't like the idea. Trust me! If I'm wrong, I'll be right in here to admit it and apologize. Guess we'll see soon enough.
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Postby G.I.Jim » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:34 am

Jeremey wrote:
G.I.Jim wrote:
Not to mention that heterosexual men do not want to shower or share a foxhole with someone who is checking out their package. Would you want to? This is different than someone who just works in an office with others. We're talking about men who trust their lives with each other, shower together, sleep together, etc... for months at a time. The biggest thing our service members have when they're deployed is each other. When you can't trust that the guy next to you isn't going to make the moves on you, it throws trust right out the window.



:lol:

This is one of the funniest things I've read on here in a long time! I hope it's cleverly disguised satire...Are you a writer for The Onion in your spare time? :wink:


I actually write for the Orlando Weekly. Would you like me to pull up some articles? :lol:
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Postby Rip Rokken » Mon Dec 20, 2010 3:52 am

G.I.Jim wrote:Blow me!


Dude! I don't think this goes into effect until 2011, so don't tell yet!

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Postby G.I.Jim » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:14 am

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Dude! I don't think this does into effect until 2011, so don't tell yet!

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:lol: Nice Rip. :wink:
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Postby Jana » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:39 am

Don wrote:I'll let you guys in on a little secret. The only place gay soldiers ever had a problem was in the States. For years, overseas base commanders have been turning the other cheek to this issue as much as they could, unless some base chaplain or one asshole with an axe to grind made a big deal out of it. Things I hadn't really been exposed to in the military (racism, homophobia) were never an ongoing issue for me to have any concerns about with my peers/subordinates until I got stationed in the states. Then it was like moving from the suburbs into a trailer park. All the camaraderie and sense of family I had encountered during my tours in both theaters seemed to have evaporated when I hit the home turf. I fucking hated it and couldn't wait to get back out of country again.

So, for those sayng it won't work, it HAS been working on a smaller scale for quite a while now. If it takes mandatory posting of every backwoods country fuck or puritan to more liberal bases overseas to get them acclimated to the idea, then so be it.
It hasn't decimated the other militaries of the free world that have accepted it and it won't here.


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Think back to blacks in the military, segregated until the late 40s.
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Postby Jeremey » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:48 am

Clearly if you believe gay men run around checking out your package you have issues, Jim...

Orlando Weekly? is that an inside joke? :?

Oh and I don't want to be holier than thou but when I smell bullshit I'm going to call it...Really Jim? A walking stereotype Queen came into your recruiting office and demanded to enlist? He was high too? And he called you honey and ran around your office? All this in Possom Holler SC? And you didn't immediately rush here to MR and start a thread about it?

Sorry man, all I'm asking is that you be truthful with us. And to yourself, wink, wink!
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Postby stevew2 » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:57 am

BobbyinTN wrote:Thank God it's gone. Congrats to every gay soldier out there. You can now serve your country openly and honestly.

Thanks Obama and democrats and the few republicans who moved us into the 21st Century.

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Postby Behshad » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:02 am

Jana wrote:Think back to blacks in the military, segregated until the late 40s.



The only person who can think back to the 40's is currently on vacation in a garden with a view. ;)
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Postby S2M » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:03 am

I think Drew should implement a DADT policy on MR..... :shock: :lol:
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Postby Jana » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:05 am

Jeremey wrote:Clearly if you believe gay men run around checking out your package you have issues, Jim...

Orlando Weekly? is that an inside joke? :?

Oh and I don't want to be holier than thou but when I smell bullshit I'm going to call it...Really Jim? A walking stereotype Queen came into your recruiting office and demanded to enlist? He was high too? And he called you honey and ran around your office? All this in Possom Holler SC? And you didn't immediately rush here to MR and start a thread about it?

Sorry man, all I'm asking is that you be truthful with us. And to yourself, wink, wink!
:lol:
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LOL And there's a certain type of man, gay or straight, that enlists in the military and it's not the stereotypical limp-wristed, flaming gay that Jim is so worried about. Way back when my brother served with some gays, even though it was not acknowledged, it was known, and he said they were amazing soliders and better than some of the straight bubbas he served with.
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Postby G.I.Jim » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:06 am

Jeremey wrote:Clearly if you believe gay men run around checking out your package you have issues, Jim...

Orlando Weekly? is that an inside joke? :?

Oh and I don't want to be holier than thou but when I smell bullshit I'm going to call it...Really Jim? A walking stereotype Queen came into your recruiting office and demanded to enlist? He was high too? And he called you honey and ran around your office? All this in Possom Holler SC? And you didn't immediately rush here to MR and start a thread about it?

Sorry man, all I'm asking is that you be truthful with us. And to yourself, wink, wink!
:lol:
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Don't act like you don't know about who the Orlando Weekly is. :wink: What the hell's "The Onion"? Are you saying I'm lying about the person coming into my office? The police were called because of the stink he was raising. He was drunk AND high (self-admitted!) and was wandering in between our cars in the parking lot crying. He refused to leave, and was running out in front of traffic. If you or anyone else here would like to contact any of the 10-15 people that witnessed it, just PM me and I'll gladly get you in touch with them to verify.

Let me know 1 time I've lied to you Jeremey.
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Postby Behshad » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:07 am

S2M wrote:I think Drew should implement a DADT policy on MR..... :shock: :lol:



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Postby G.I.Jim » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:09 am

Jana wrote:
Jeremey wrote:Clearly if you believe gay men run around checking out your package you have issues, Jim...

Orlando Weekly? is that an inside joke? :?

Oh and I don't want to be holier than thou but when I smell bullshit I'm going to call it...Really Jim? A walking stereotype Queen came into your recruiting office and demanded to enlist? He was high too? And he called you honey and ran around your office? All this in Possom Holler SC? And you didn't immediately rush here to MR and start a thread about it?

Sorry man, all I'm asking is that you be truthful with us. And to yourself, wink, wink!
:lol:
:wink:
:wink: :lol: :P


LOL And there's a certain type of man, gay or straight, that enlists in the military and it's not the stereotypical limp-wristed, flaming gay that Jim is so worried about. Way back when my brother served with some gays, even though it was not acknowledged, it was known, and he said they were amazing soliders and better than some of the straight bubbas he served with.


What do you do for a living Jana?
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Postby Jana » Mon Dec 20, 2010 5:10 am

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Jana wrote:Think back to blacks in the military, segregated until the late 40s.



The only person who can think back to the 40's is currently on vacation in a garden with a view. ;)


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