The Hidden Gems of Melodic Rock

[Melissa]

Gotthard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSpVoHfZD3A

He said HIDDEN! and UNKNOWN ,, Gotthard is pretty known,,, you dont want RWF jump in here and schols us all again, do you

Yeah but how many people in HERE know who Gotthard is? I'd bet most of these lovey, touchy, squeezy "fans" of melodic rock don't know jack poopy about Gotthard! But yeah you're right, wouldn't want another spanking from him

[StevePerryHair]

Gotthard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSpVoHfZD3A

He said HIDDEN! and UNKNOWN ,, Gotthard is pretty known,,, you dont want RWF jump in here and schols us all again, do you

Yeah but how many people in HERE know who Gotthard is? I'd bet most of these lovey, touchy, squeezy "fans" of melodic rock don't know jack poopy about Gotthard! But yeah you're right, wouldn't want another spanking from him

Maybe he's just into spankings

[Rockindeano]

Gotthard
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSpVoHfZD3A

He said HIDDEN! and UNKNOWN ,, Gotthard is pretty known,,, you dont want RWF jump in here and schols us all again, do you

Yeah but how many people in HERE know who Gotthard is? I'd bet most of these lovey, touchy, squeezy "fans" of melodic rock don't know jack poopy about Gotthard! But yeah you're right, wouldn't want another spanking from him

Lovey touchy squeezy? Whom are you referring to? Lest not forget we all have our guilty pleasures....Hell, you like Def Leppard! Aren't they considered ovey touchy melodic rock?

Dan and I talked today. You all can have your intimate shows. Dan and I agree that it is much more fun to hear a loud sing along to a well written, popular song, with 25,000 folks, than a few air guitaring, head nodding drunks in a bar watching Talon for fuck's sake. People, there are reasons why certain artists play huge hockey barns...they are good and people love them and oh yeah, they have written really good songs..so good that people went out and bought the records and learned the lyrics! There is a reason Bon Jovi wants to sell out the desert and probably could....and then there's a reason why Farcry can't sell out a lemonade stand.

I haven't got pissed at this topic ye, but you on the other side condemn Dan and I for liking successful, established bands...In our cases, Journey and Springsteen respectively. You clowns on the "intimate" side argue that a bar with Talon, Pride of Lions and Steve Augeri is much more fun. I say bullshit. I would much rather go hear Hungry Heart played at the Superdome with 50,00o people singing along thank you. Now call me a ballwasher S2M. You have Crazy Lixx, I have the Boss. I win.

[S2M]

Bipolar much? ^^^^^^^^^

[Melissa]

Dean it was a joke, but I guess my jokes aren't funny, lol. I never said I don't like the mainstream big arena acts either. I like big arena shows, I like smaller club shows, whatever, I don't care. Both are always fun to me.

[Behshad]

Dan and I talked today.

oh wow, then its settled

I haven't got pissed at this topic yet

Well get ready cause here it comes

You all can have your intimate shows. Dan and I agree that it is much more fun to hear a loud sing along to a well written, popular song, with 25,000 folks, than a few air guitaring, head nodding drunks in a bar watching Talon for fuck's sake. People, there are reasons why certain artists play huge hockey barns...they are good and people love them and oh yeah, they have written really good songs..so good that people went out and bought the records and learned the lyrics! There is a reason Bon Jovi wants to sell out the desert and probably could....and then there's a reason why Farcry can't sell out a lemonade stand.

OK, Youve totally misunderstood the point that some people are trying to make here. Let me (TRY TO) explain this to you. Watching any great band, specially your favorite band, is always a GREAT experience regardless of 200 or 20000 fans around you. Theyre both great in their own ways. Of course the LEVEL of ENERGY is MUCH higher at a stadium with 20.000 people singing and dancing , than 150 people headbanging in a bar. But I can guarantee you, that YOU would totally enjoy Bruce('s music ) in a bar as much you would at a stadium.
I have seen Europe live at huge stadiums with 5000-15000 fans around and it was a great experience,,, but I totally enjoyed seeing them few years ago in Cleveland when there was about 600 people there. Of course taking their success in account I wish they'd fill out stadiums , playing with bigger bands like Jovi or Journey.
Now Ive experiences this the other way around too. Jeff , whom I saw many times in Sweden, in clubs with 200-600 people,,, but then I saw him with Journey with 20.000, it was a great feeling to see him enjoying his success,,,, I enjoyed seeing him live regardless, but of course it was the level of energy at the Journey concert that made the big difference.

If you like the artist you will enjoy their performances LIVE , no matter what settings. But ALL Stadium-fillers arent great acts.

[Melissa]

air guitaring, head nodding drunks

You know how many of these I've seen at Journey concerts, and other big arena concerts? With their baseball caps on, and bellies bigger than mine was full term pregnant, singing the lyrics to Open Arms to each other while spilling beer with each strum of their air guitars?

[Melissa]

McQueen Street - In Heaven

Missed this earlier, good one!

Sean you should put up some of your "Melodic Pick of the Day" you do on FB, lol.

[kgdjpubs]

You all can have your intimate shows. Dan and I agree that it is much more fun to hear a loud sing along to a well written, popular song, with 25,000 folks, than a few air guitaring, head nodding drunks in a bar watching Talon for fuck's sake. People, there are reasons why certain artists play huge hockey barns...they are good and people love them and oh yeah, they have written really good songs..so good that people went out and bought the records and learned the lyrics! There is a reason Bon Jovi wants to sell out the desert and probably could....and then there's a reason why Farcry can't sell out a lemonade stand.

OK, Youve totally misunderstood the point that some people are trying to make here. Let me (TRY TO) explain this to you. Watching any great band, specially your favorite band, is always a GREAT experience regardless of 200 or 20000 fans around you. Theyre both great in their own ways. Of course the LEVEL of ENERGY is MUCH higher at a stadium with 20.000 people singing and dancing , than 150 people headbanging in a bar.

Yes, but the probability of a 200 person bar going off is a LOT higher than a 20,000 seat stadium. The stadium going insane is pretty wild, but it doesn't happen all that often because 18,000 of those 20,000 seats are not your diehard fans. I've been to plenty of shows with a crowd that had the energy level of an amoeba, and the show was pretty flat. No fault of the band, but the crowd was simply unresponsive. Get a smaller bar/club, and your diehard percentage increases exponentially, which means the crowd is more receptive to the band and more likely to go crazy. That in turn translates to more energy from the band, and the higher chance of a crazy gig. Overall, I've enjoyed the smaller club shows more for that reason--you get a better crowd most of the time.

There are also things you can do with a smaller crowd that you simply can't do in a large stadium. I've seen shows where the crowd was packed in like sardines with general admission that you were up against people on all sides, then everybody starts jumping up and down and the floor starts bouncing...and you are pretty close to exhausted by the end of the show. You don't get the same atmosphere with seats and concrete floors in an area.

Another show had the artist come out for the encore totally unplugged, and got everyone to sit down on the floor, and then sat down with us, and everyone was singing in this campfire sing-along atmosphere with no mics or amps. Very cool, and you can't do that with 20,000 people.

If you like the artist you will enjoy their performances LIVE , no matter what settings. But ALL Stadium-fillers arent great acts.

yep, and some of the bar acts are pretty bad also. It all depends on how good the band is live (which has no relationship whatsoever to popularity), and what kind of crowd you get. Get a good band and a good crowd, it doesn't matter how many people are there. Get an off-night from the band, a bad live band in general, or a lackluster crowd, it doesn't matter how many people are there.

[Behshad]

You all can have your intimate shows. Dan and I agree that it is much more fun to hear a loud sing along to a well written, popular song, with 25,000 folks, than a few air guitaring, head nodding drunks in a bar watching Talon for fuck's sake. People, there are reasons why certain artists play huge hockey barns...they are good and people love them and oh yeah, they have written really good songs..so good that people went out and bought the records and learned the lyrics! There is a reason Bon Jovi wants to sell out the desert and probably could....and then there's a reason why Farcry can't sell out a lemonade stand.

OK, Youve totally misunderstood the point that some people are trying to make here. Let me (TRY TO) explain this to you. Watching any great band, specially your favorite band, is always a GREAT experience regardless of 200 or 20000 fans around you. Theyre both great in their own ways. Of course the LEVEL of ENERGY is MUCH higher at a stadium with 20.000 people singing and dancing , than 150 people headbanging in a bar.

Yes, but the probability of a 200 person bar going off is a LOT higher than a 20,000 seat stadium. The stadium going insane is pretty wild, but it doesn't happen all that often because 18,000 of those 20,000 seats are not your diehard fans. I've been to plenty of shows with a crowd that had the energy level of an amoeba, and the show was pretty flat. No fault of the band, but the crowd was simply unresponsive. Get a smaller bar/club, and your diehard percentage increases exponentially, which means the crowd is more receptive to the band and more likely to go crazy. That in turn translates to more energy from the band, and the higher chance of a crazy gig. Overall, I've enjoyed the smaller club shows more for that reason--you get a better crowd most of the time.

There are also things you can do with a smaller crowd that you simply can't do in a large stadium. I've seen shows where the crowd was packed in like sardines with general admission that you were up against people on all sides, then everybody starts jumping up and down and the floor starts bouncing...and you are pretty close to exhausted by the end of the show. You don't get the same atmosphere with seats and concrete floors in an area.

Another show had the artist come out for the encore totally unplugged, and got everyone to sit down on the floor, and then sat down with us, and everyone was singing in this campfire sing-along atmosphere with no mics or amps. Very cool, and you can't do that with 20,000 people.

If you like the artist you will enjoy their performances LIVE , no matter what settings. But ALL Stadium-fillers arent great acts.

yep, and some of the bar acts are pretty bad also. It all depends on how good the band is live (which has no relationship whatsoever to popularity), and what kind of crowd you get. Get a good band and a good crowd, it doesn't matter how many people are there. Get an off-night from the band, a bad live band in general, or a lackluster crowd, it doesn't matter how many people are there.

So your point ?

I never said all bar bands are great. In fact 99% of bar bands are garbage....Catching your favorite band, specially the ones that were big back in the 80s in a smaller club, is a cool experience. But I still stand by the point that I would still prefer to see my favorite bands fill out stadiums, regardless of what percentage are diehard fans, simply for the fact that tickets sold = money in my favorite bands pocket = future albums and future shows

[kgdjpubs]

You all can have your intimate shows. Dan and I agree that it is much more fun to hear a loud sing along to a well written, popular song, with 25,000 folks, than a few air guitaring, head nodding drunks in a bar watching Talon for fuck's sake. People, there are reasons why certain artists play huge hockey barns...they are good and people love them and oh yeah, they have written really good songs..so good that people went out and bought the records and learned the lyrics! There is a reason Bon Jovi wants to sell out the desert and probably could....and then there's a reason why Farcry can't sell out a lemonade stand.

OK, Youve totally misunderstood the point that some people are trying to make here. Let me (TRY TO) explain this to you. Watching any great band, specially your favorite band, is always a GREAT experience regardless of 200 or 20000 fans around you. Theyre both great in their own ways. Of course the LEVEL of ENERGY is MUCH higher at a stadium with 20.000 people singing and dancing , than 150 people headbanging in a bar.

Yes, but the probability of a 200 person bar going off is a LOT higher than a 20,000 seat stadium. The stadium going insane is pretty wild, but it doesn't happen all that often because 18,000 of those 20,000 seats are not your diehard fans. I've been to plenty of shows with a crowd that had the energy level of an amoeba, and the show was pretty flat. No fault of the band, but the crowd was simply unresponsive. Get a smaller bar/club, and your diehard percentage increases exponentially, which means the crowd is more receptive to the band and more likely to go crazy. That in turn translates to more energy from the band, and the higher chance of a crazy gig. Overall, I've enjoyed the smaller club shows more for that reason--you get a better crowd most of the time.

There are also things you can do with a smaller crowd that you simply can't do in a large stadium. I've seen shows where the crowd was packed in like sardines with general admission that you were up against people on all sides, then everybody starts jumping up and down and the floor starts bouncing...and you are pretty close to exhausted by the end of the show. You don't get the same atmosphere with seats and concrete floors in an area.

Another show had the artist come out for the encore totally unplugged, and got everyone to sit down on the floor, and then sat down with us, and everyone was singing in this campfire sing-along atmosphere with no mics or amps. Very cool, and you can't do that with 20,000 people.

If you like the artist you will enjoy their performances LIVE , no matter what settings. But ALL Stadium-fillers arent great acts.

yep, and some of the bar acts are pretty bad also. It all depends on how good the band is live (which has no relationship whatsoever to popularity), and what kind of crowd you get. Get a good band and a good crowd, it doesn't matter how many people are there. Get an off-night from the band, a bad live band in general, or a lackluster crowd, it doesn't matter how many people are there.

So your point ?

I never said all bar bands are great. In fact 99% of bar bands are garbage.

yea, fairly good assessment. Seen plenty that you would have to pay me to sit through them again...

..Catching your favorite band, specially the ones that were big back in the 80s in a smaller club, is a cool experience. But I still stand by the point that I would still prefer to see my favorite bands fill out stadiums, regardless of what percentage are diehard fans, simply for the fact that tickets sold = money in my favorite bands pocket = future albums and future shows

It may be the part that most that I have seen at smaller venues are NOT the bands that were big in the 80s and now can only draw enough people to fill a small club/bar. Do I wish they were popular enough to play a bigger venue? Yes. Do I have a problem with the show they play? No. Only time I have been embarrassed for the band was a small bar where about 10 people showed up. They put on a good show, but I'm not surprised they haven't come back since, and hold no hope for them playing there again.

[S2M]

Aldo Nova - Ball & Chain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vb218RkU0k

House of Lords - Demons Down
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WkuPz8To7Rw

James Christian - Best Girl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAQhyyivX5o&feature=related

Hell in the Club - On the Road
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6297s9EEeQE

[S2M]

Heartland - I Will Wait For You
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bnYQqWOjY4&feature=related

Harem Scarem - Sentimental BLVD.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXXFZWx6FxQ

220 Volt - Beat of a Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjZq8PEA4Fw

Bonfire - Notion of Love
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5hj__39HLE[url][/url]

[Behshad]

220 Volt & BonFire are two great melodic bands.

[conversationpc]

220 Volt & BonFire are two great melodic bands.

Bonfire is terrible...I listened to several of their albums and found maybe one song that I like.

[Behshad]

220 Volt & BonFire are two great melodic bands.

Bonfire is terrible...I listened to several of their albums and found maybe one song that I like.

"Point Blank" was a pretty good album

[S2M]

Velocity - More Than Tonight
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOqgixyrr8U

220 Volt - The Harder they Come
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aNQz-xYD2Y&feature=related

[RossValoryRocks]

I love 220 Volt...that song you posted S2M in particular...

[S2M]

Savatage - This isn't What We Meant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbTUQB1ingc&feature=related

Savatage - Alone you Breathe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4_WVFWaLsQ&feature=related

[S2M]

I love 220 Volt...that song you posted S2M in particular...

I'm glad someone else knows them....that makes you, I, and Behshad....lol

[S2M]

Savatage - Strange Wings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzh9WEeRACE&feature=related

[Andrew]

I love 220 Volt...that song you posted S2M in particular...

I'm glad someone else knows them....that makes you, I, and Behshad....lol

And me...

[S2M]

Gotthard - I Wonder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U-sw4gnrBRU

Song is off 'LipService', not Domino Effect....dopes.

Where I Belong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkx8ErUGYMU

Heaven [better than anything Jon Cain has written in 20 years]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apP448jksho&feature=related

Coheed & Cambria - Welcome Home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVn2z5n9Y-k&feature=related

Ra - Fallen Angels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeKAQubOYek&feature=related

[amaron]

Ra - Fallen Angels
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeKAQubOYek&feature=related

Awesome band. NEVER got the recognition they deserved.

[S2M]

One of my favorite songs of ALL TIME.

Tool - Schism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRSLmlFqExU

[Deb]

Aldo Nova - Ball & Chain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vb218RkU0k

Love that one. Rumours is another favorite gem of his. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSLTnBYI5ys


Reminded me of a few other favorite gems from some other Canucks.......

Haywire ~ Black & Blue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOX9vw4rZA

Boulevard ~ Far From Over http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVwfBxik2eU

Brighton Rock ~ Can't Wait For The Night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ubd0TEBac (Always thought the LS had a real unique voice, I like it, he could sound smooth as buttah then switch right into a Keefer from Cinderella type rasp) Hmmm, wonder if they're still around.

[S2M]

Aldo Nova - Ball & Chain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vb218RkU0k

Love that one. Rumours is another favorite gem of his. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSLTnBYI5ys


Reminded me of a few other favorite gems from some other Canucks.......

Haywire ~ Black & Blue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOX9vw4rZA

Boulevard ~ Far From Over http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVwfBxik2eU

Brighton Rock ~ Can't Wait For The Night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ubd0TEBac (Always thought the LS had a real unique voice, I like it, he could sound smooth as buttah then switch right into a Keefer from Cinderella type rasp) Hmmm, wonder if they're still around.

Their best song is Still the One from '91s Love Machine....they aren't around anymore. LM was their last album of non-live material.

[S2M]

Night Falls _ Lana Lane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ms0aZanwee0&feature=related

Ann Wilson?

Shine on Golden Sun - Lana Lane
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2LdS8ud3IU&feature=related

[Deb]

Aldo Nova - Ball & Chain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Vb218RkU0k

Love that one. Rumours is another favorite gem of his. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSLTnBYI5ys


Reminded me of a few other favorite gems from some other Canucks.......

Haywire ~ Black & Blue http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fIOX9vw4rZA

Boulevard ~ Far From Over http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVwfBxik2eU

Brighton Rock ~ Can't Wait For The Night http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_ubd0TEBac (Always thought the LS had a real unique voice, I like it, he could sound smooth as buttah then switch right into a Keefer from Cinderella type rasp) Hmmm, wonder if they're still around.

Their best song is Still the One from '91s Love Machine....they aren't around anymore. LM was their last album of non-live material.

Wrong, looks like BR is still kickin'.............here in Canada anyways. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-fIvkpQ ... re=related

Like Honeymoon Suite, playing clubs/casinos.......saw them a couple years ago here at a casino, Johnnie D, Derry and the guys still sound great! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuucaviLYgU

[S2M]

Follow My Heart - Fair Warning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoSyDOdSnMg&feature=related

The Journey Will Never End - Jaded Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlovNAGWQnU&feature=related

Lucky Son - Jaded Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrRGHrzL81Y&feature=related

On the Rise - Jaded Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ky5-UXsB1Q&feature=related

Sign of the Times - Jaded Heart
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ky5-UXsB1Q&feature=related