Should Penn State remove Paterno's statue?

by **Liam** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:32 am

How can anybody still be defending this fuck? He's AS bad, if not worse than Sandusky in my eyes.

by **slucero** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:37 am

Freeh's report has instantly made this an indictment of Penn St.. Sandusky is now the sideshow..

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:39 am

Curious....who are the denying morons that think the statue should remain?

by **Liam** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 6:54 am

steveo777 wrote:Curious....who are the denying morons that think the statue should remain?

Same people who support NAMBLA, apparently. :lol:

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:10 am

Liam wrote:
steveo777 wrote:Curious....who are the denying morons that think the statue should remain?

Same people who support NAMBLA, apparently.

Pedo-Libs! :lol:

by **Liam** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 7:12 am

Just about.....JESUS.

by **tater1977** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:40 am

Penn State To Renovate Areas Where Boys Abused

by The Associated Press

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =156746647

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. July 13, 2012, 06:47 pm ET
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — Penn State plans to renovate the building where former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky sexually molested boys.

University spokesman David La Torre told The Associated Press on Friday that Penn State plans to remodel the football shower and locker room area as a direct result of Sandusky's crimes. The former defensive coordinator was convicted of assaulting some of his victims in the team shower.

La Torre said renovation plans to the Lasch Football Building were drawn up shortly after Sandusky's arrest in November. But he said Penn State can't move forward until all legal proceedings in the case are over.

Penn State President Rodney Erickson said during an earlier news conference only that there was discussion about "modest renovations" between Athletic Director David Joyner and new Penn State football coach Bill O'Brien.

La Torre later told the AP those renovations include the area where the assaults happened and said they are on hold for now.

Reminders of the Sandusky child sex abuse scandal — and the senior school officials accused of covering it up — are all over Penn State's campus and State College. School officials say they are still weighing how to deal with the other imagery associated with the scandal.

A statue outside Beaver Stadium served as a focal point for mourners of late coach Joe Paterno, but it has turned into a target for critics angered by former FBI director Louis Freeh's findings that Paterno and other university administrators concealed allegations against Sandusky in 1998 and 2001 to avoid bad publicity.

Paterno's family said the coach, who died in January of lung cancer, would not have taken part in a cover-up.

But some newspaper columnists and former Florida State coach Bobby Bowden have said the statue should be taken down.

"You go to a Penn State football game and there's 100,000 people down there and they got that statute and you know doggone well they'll start talking about Sandusky," Bowden told the AP. "If it was me, I wouldn't want to have it brought up every time I walked out on the field."

The most glaring on-campus reminder might be the Mildred and Louis Lasch building, which was the scene of a 2001 allegation in which a graduate assistant coach said he saw Sandusky abuse a boy in the shower. Authorities said other attacks occurred in it as well.

The Lasch family has no qualms about leaving its name on it, a family member said Friday.

"You don't build a building and put your name on it expecting that something like this is going to happen, but we have seen a lot of good things happen in that building ... and we expect to see a lot of good, honorable things happen in that building in the future," said Ken Smukler, a grandson of the Laschs, who helped start Penn State football's booster club in 1959 and donated $1.7 million to build what is billed as one of the finest collegiate football operations facilities in the nation.

Website · by **steveo777** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 9:56 am

tater1977 wrote:Penn State To Renovate Areas Where Boys Abused

by The Associated Press

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =156746647

STATE COLLEGE, Pa. July 13, 2012, 06:47 pm ET
STATE COLLEGE, Pa. (AP) — Penn State plans to renovate the building where former assistant football coach Jerry Sandusky sexually molested boys.

University spokesman David La Torre told The Associated Press on Friday that Penn State plans to remodel the football shower and locker room area as a direct result of Sandusky's crimes. The former defensive coordinator was convicted of assaulting some of his victims in the team shower.

La Torre said renovation plans to the Lasch Football Building were drawn up shortly after Sandusky's arrest in November. But he said Penn State can't move forward until all legal proceedings in the case are over.

Penn State President Rodney Erickson said during an earlier news conference only that there was discussion about "modest renovations" between Athletic Director David Joyner and new Penn State football coach Bill O'Brien.

La Torre later told the AP those renovations include the area where the assaults happened and said they are on hold for now.

Reminders of the Sandusky child sex abuse scandal — and the senior school officials accused of covering it up — are all over Penn State's campus and State College. School officials say they are still weighing how to deal with the other imagery associated with the scandal.

A statue outside Beaver Stadium served as a focal point for mourners of late coach Joe Paterno, but it has turned into a target for critics angered by former FBI director Louis Freeh's findings that Paterno and other university administrators concealed allegations against Sandusky in 1998 and 2001 to avoid bad publicity.

Paterno's family said the coach, who died in January of lung cancer, would not have taken part in a cover-up.

But some newspaper columnists and former Florida State coach Bobby Bowden have said the statue should be taken down.

"You go to a Penn State football game and there's 100,000 people down there and they got that statute and you know doggone well they'll start talking about Sandusky," Bowden told the AP. "If it was me, I wouldn't want to have it brought up every time I walked out on the field."

The most glaring on-campus reminder might be the Mildred and Louis Lasch building, which was the scene of a 2001 allegation in which a graduate assistant coach said he saw Sandusky abuse a boy in the shower. Authorities said other attacks occurred in it as well.

The Lasch family has no qualms about leaving its name on it, a family member said Friday.

"You don't build a building and put your name on it expecting that something like this is going to happen, but we have seen a lot of good things happen in that building ... and we expect to see a lot of good, honorable things happen in that building in the future," said Ken Smukler, a grandson of the Laschs, who helped start Penn State football's booster club in 1959 and donated $1.7 million to build what is billed as one of the finest collegiate football operations facilities in the nation.

They gotta get Sandusky's DNA outta there. :shock:

by **RPM** » Sat Jul 14, 2012 10:33 am

The statue should be melted down and molded into a toilet.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 12:33 am

Fact Finder wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:What the fuck would the NCAA have to say about this? Statue will come down over my dead rotting corpse, too.

Death penalty my ass. Show me the first shred of evidence Joe did, said, thought, acted, moved ANY way but what we KNOW is true. An email, a voice recording, a transcript, a text, a phone record, etc, OF and FROM him and THEN I will judge accordingly. Till then, fuck off.

Fuck off eh, would you really say that to these people....

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... oe-paterno

Victim 1 angry at Joe Paterno

The boy known as Victim 1 in the Penn State sex abuse scandal blames Joe Paterno and the university administrators found to have concealed Jerry Sandusky's criminal behavior for the repeated molestation Victim 1 suffered at Sandusky's hands, according to the victim's attorney.

Michael Boni said his client and the boy's mother "felt absolute fury" when they reviewed the findings of the investigation by former FBI director Louis Freeh, who said Paterno was among four high-ranking Penn State officials who "failed to take any steps for 14 years to protect the children who Sandusky victimized."

Victim 1, who recently graduated from high school, triggered the investigation that resulted in Sandusky's conviction on 45 counts of sexually assaulting 10 boys over 15 years. Six of those counts were related to Victim 1.

"My client and his mother were so angry at the revelation that Joe Paterno knew about the initial 1998 investigation into Sandusky that went nowhere," Boni told ESPNNewYork.com in a phone interview Thursday night.

"They see the cover-up and Paterno's knowledge of the allegations back to the late 1990s as the things that caused my client's molestation in 2007 and 2008. But for that cover-up, he would not have been molested by Jerry Sandusky."

Through tears, Victim 1 delivered powerful testimony at Sandusky's trial, telling how Paterno's former defensive coordinator befriended him, assumed the role of a father figure (Victim 1 was raised by his mother) and ultimately assaulted him and forced him to engage in oral sex.

"Joe Paterno was in a position where he could have and should have made sure that Sandusky was reported to authorities," Boni said. "You have what Mike McQueary saw in the shower ... and that should've been sufficient to ensure that Sandusky was turned in, and Joe didn't do that.

"So my client and his mother had a very visceral response to this, and it was manifested in text messages I exchanged with Victim 1's mother. She is just filled with hatred toward Joe Paterno. She just hates him, and reviles him, and pins total blame on him for what happened to her son."

Boni said he has plans to file a civil lawsuit on his client's behalf. Victim 1 has a job and is considering attending college, the attorney said.

"The sun is coming up now that the people who deserve blame are being brought to justice," Boni said. "My client is doing as well as can be expected given the trauma. He's never going to be the same person he was because he's facing a lifetime of post-traumatic stress disorder.

"Right now, he just feels a sense of ire and frustration that Joe Paterno and these bumbling administrators thought more to protect the football program and their old pal Jerry Sandusky than to consider for one split second his actual and potential victims. I don't think the English language has a word for the level of frustration Victim 1 feels over being molested after they made the decision to cover-up what Sandusky had done."

PPPPPFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF. Er, YES I WOULD :!:

For a DEATH penalty to be imposed, you need to locate an NCAA violation or Penn State will have grounds for a multi million dollar lawsuit for an assault on constitutional rights.
Find that fact. :roll:

by **RedWingFan** » Sun Jul 15, 2012 2:26 am

Fact Finder wrote:Damning Report For Penn State/Paterno

If Ohio State can't play in a bowl game this season because former Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel lied to NCAA investigators about his players' receiving free tattoos, how can Penn State play in the postseason after former coach Joe Paterno helped cover up the horrific actions of a serial child rapist?

Easy. Ohio State were caught providing/ignoring players benefiting monetarily by playing for the team, which could encourage other recruits to sign and play there. It's not even criminal to get a free tattoo, but it does violate the NCAA's rules which taken too far would make a mockery of the NCAA like SMU did in the 80's.

What went on at PSU is absolutely criminal. All involved should be sorted through and thrown in prison to rot and be raped themselves. That's the punishment for crimes like this. I don't think 1 person in the SMU scandal was thrown in prison, because it's not a crime to pay someone to play football, just a violation of NCAA rules which is subject to their punishment.

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:08 am

If the NCAA doesn't try to re write the rules, and leaves PSU alone I believe they will self-impose, ala USC/Ohio State and donate BOATLOADS of cash to victim charities.

Curious with all of the post-facto (and post mortem as it turns out) stripping Paterno of any and all dignity and respect, why a figure like OJ Simpson is still in the NFL Hall of Fame, the Bills Hall Of Fame and USC hall of fame.
And I have no problem with that. Murdering two people had nothing to do with his playing days.

by **Ehwmatt** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:41 am

Red13JoePa wrote:If the NCAA doesn't try to re write the rules, and leaves PSU alone I believe they will self-impose, ala USC/Ohio State and donate BOATLOADS of cash to victim charities.

Curious with all of the post-facto (and post mortem as it turns out) stripping Paterno of any and all dignity and respect, why a figure like OJ Simpson is still in the NFL Hall of Fame, the Bills Hall Of Fame and USC hall of fame.
And I have no problem with that. Murdering two people had nothing to do with his playing days.

I'm torn about whether the guy's (OJ's) personality/off-field actions should affect his legacy as a player, and I feel the same way when I hear about favorite musicians being dicks, too. Ideally, I'd separate merit from personality, but it's not all that simple if the guy is a complete scumbag. But that's neither here nor there.

Anyway, you make a good point at first blush, but the comparison really just falls apart when you dig a little deeper and think it through.

On one hand, Simpson was a PLAYER. His plaudits come from his skill on the field (and to a lesser extent, his comedic acting). He was lauded only for these things, not for being a "great man."

Paterno, on the other hand, was a COACH. But he was not just any coach; rather, he held himself out to the world (and was perceived by the world) as a man who stood for integrity, leadership, and morals. Further, as a coach, he was supposed to be a leader and a mentor. Although you can measure a coach by some tangible things (e.g., wins/losses, championships, players' memories of him as a man/leader/mentor), many of these things simply can't be measured by a stat sheet (unlike OJ's accomplishments), and his involvement in this scandal severely impugns his ability to excel or live up to the things he would have been remembered for but for this scandal. These were the things his legacy was built on. His failure to do these things means his legacy will crumble. And rightly so in my view.

by **Gin and Tonic Sky** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 2:02 am

Ehwmatt wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:If the NCAA doesn't try to re write the rules, and leaves PSU alone I believe they will self-impose, ala USC/Ohio State and donate BOATLOADS of cash to victim charities.

Curious with all of the post-facto (and post mortem as it turns out) stripping Paterno of any and all dignity and respect, why a figure like OJ Simpson is still in the NFL Hall of Fame, the Bills Hall Of Fame and USC hall of fame.
And I have no problem with that. Murdering two people had nothing to do with his playing days.

I'm torn about whether the guy's (OJ's) personality/off-field actions should affect his legacy as a player, and I feel the same way when I hear about favorite musicians being dicks, too. Ideally, I'd separate merit from personality, but it's not all that simple if the guy is a complete scumbag. But that's neither here nor there.

Anyway, you make a good point at first blush, but the comparison really just falls apart when you dig a little deeper and think it through.

On one hand, Simpson was a PLAYER. His plaudits come from his skill on the field (and to a lesser extent, his comedic acting). He was lauded only for these things, not for being a "great man."

Paterno, on the other hand, was a COACH. But he was not just any coach; rather, he held himself out to the world (and was perceived by the world) as a man who stood for integrity, leadership, and morals. Further, as a coach, he was supposed to be a leader and a mentor. Although you can measure a coach by some tangible things (e.g., wins/losses, championships, players' memories of him as a man/leader/mentor), many of these things simply can't be measured by a stat sheet (unlike OJ's accomplishments), and his involvement in this scandal severely impugns his ability to excel or live up to the things he would have been remembered for but for this scandal. These were the things his legacy was built on. His failure to do these things means his legacy will crumble. And rightly so in my view.

Yep agree . OJ Simpsons crimes heinous as they were did not relate to his football career. Paterno's offense directly related to his job responsibilities both direct commitments responsibilities and to football. Kind of like Pete Rose's gambling offences related directly to commitments to baseball.

by **Archetype** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:22 am

Yes, JoePedo's statue should be destroyed

by **Don** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 6:38 am

http://espn.go.com/college-football/sto ... eport-says

Probably past the statute of limitations and I'm guessing a good chance that half of these accusations will be false but I think it's safe to assume that Sandusky just didn't wake up one day at the age of 54 and decide to become the tickle monster.

Every away game that Penn State plays this year is going to be a carnaval. Every hotel and restaurant the players frequent on roadtrips, it's going to be nasty.

by **Liam** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:18 am

Don wrote:Every away game that Penn State plays this year is going to be a carnaval. Every hotel and restaurant the players frequent on roadtrips, it's going to be nasty.

No doubt about that.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:18 am

What determined which crimes have a statute of limitations or not?

by **conversationpc** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:23 am

Liam wrote:
Don wrote:Every away game that Penn State plays this year is going to be a carnaval. Every hotel and restaurant the players frequent on roadtrips, it's going to be nasty.

No doubt about that.

That's unfortunate...The guys who'll be playing for them shouldn't have go through that.

by **Liam** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:28 am

Nature of the game. "Nittany Rapists" or "Penn St. Pedophiles" might be a couple of names used. I know I'LL use 'em in my predictions on Gamedays. :lol:

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:43 am

Liam wrote: "Penn St. Pedophiles"

LOL. So is the team mascot going to now be someone dressed up like the kid from Home Alone?

Bummer dudes, I'm sure this is going to effect moral for sure.

by **Liam** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:48 am

Nah...the mascot will be an ice cream truck. :lol:

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:51 am

Liam wrote:Nah...the mascot will be an ice cream truck.

The only ice cream truck serving up frozen pudding filled penus pops.

by **slucero** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:59 am

I feel bad for the center, the tight ends, and the wide outs...

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:17 am

Penn State's new motto:

"Squeal like a pig!"

by **ebake02** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 4:31 am

Fact Finder wrote:Wow, everyone owes it to themselves to read this piece from CNN. It's very long so here's a tease....

it's almost exactly what we all thought...well except ebake and Red13JoePa

The Woman who stood up to Joe Paterno

http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/15/us/tripon ... index.html

By then it was clear she no longer enjoyed Spanier's support. He began making noises about whether she really embraced "the Penn State way." He told her during an annual review that she was too confrontational, too aggressive. Triponey knew her days at Penn State were numbered when he advised her to think hard about whether she had a future there.

Back from the ashes

When it all fell apart, Triponey felt completely alone.

She received threatening phone calls at home when her husband was traveling and was savaged on student message boards. Her house was vandalized and "For Sale" signs were staked in her front yard. By the time police installed surveillance cameras, she was already on her way out.

Spanier came to her home and sat in her living room after Paterno lost his temper at the meeting about the players involved in the brawl. She said he told her, "Well, Vicky, you are one of a handful of people, four or five people, who have seen the dark side of Joe Paterno. We're going to have to do something about it."

She shakes her head, recalling that conversation now. "'Doing something about it,'" she says, "ended with me being gone."

Vicky Triponey was a power hungry lunatic. I was a student during her tenure as Vice-President of Student Affairs and nobody shed a tear when they threw her ass out the door.

http://safeguardoldstate.org/the-vicky- ... of-terror/

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 5:21 am

Why'd they throw her ass out the door again? What was the agenda at that institution again?

by AR » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:06 am

Leave the statue up but put one of Sandusky right next to it.

by **slucero** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:10 am

as more stuff comes out about what many could call "liberal excesses", like the C-Fair, and how JoePA wasn't always a saint to folks, at some point in time (we may have passed it already) Penn State is gonna become the defacto scapegoat.

by **The Sushi Hunter** » Wed Jul 18, 2012 7:29 am

It's all coming together now. They must have got rid of the woman cause she was capable of blowing the lid off the coverup. I'm just waiting for the day this type is scenario plays out at Stanford University.

Fact Finder wrote:
The Sushi Hunter wrote:Why'd they throw her ass out the door again? What was the agenda at that institution again?

Well, PSU President Spanier was/is into gay rights on campus. His cause was to make PSU the most gay friendly campus in America. He wrote his thesis on Wife-Swapping, and he held and promoted a campus event entitled "Cuntfest." Just your average college aganda nowadays.

btw, don't believe what I wrote, look it up.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu:8080/archi ... ter-10.asp

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1 ... x/abstract

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http://articles.philly.com/2011-11-10/n ... tany-lions

However, when I started to do talk radio, I started to see a different side of Penn State. I saw a side that didn't mesh with the pleasant face of JoePa. It started with Penn State defending a display of a sculpture depicting the Virgin Mary emerging from a bloody vagina. Then there was a "C-Fest," or "Sex Faire," that included Orgasm Bingo, Sex Tent of Consent and other assorted educational activities. It's ironic that Penn State president Graham Spanier was defending this while the Jerry Sandusky matter was unfolding internally.

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We are Nittany Lions.

And we’re mounting everyone.

http://www.collegian.psu.edu/archive/20 ... ttany.aspx

MR

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