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by brandonx76 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:40 am
Fact Finder wrote:brandonx76 wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Upon further reflection I think this is all of our faults. This Holmes fellow didn't do this alone, along the way he had a teacher, used the raods to get there, crossed a bridge. Somebody else made this happen.
fucking retarded and not funny...
Yeah, that's why the sad face is there.
by The Sushi Hunter » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:44 am
brandonx76 wrote:Fact Finder wrote:brandonx76 wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Upon further reflection I think this is all of our faults. This Holmes fellow didn't do this alone, along the way he had a teacher, used the raods to get there, crossed a bridge. Somebody else made this happen.
fucking retarded and not funny...
Yeah, that's why the sad face is there.
you've beat this joke to death in the obama forum - maybe they should give psyche evaluations to carry a gun...and to vote
by brandonx76 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 1:45 am
The Sushi Hunter wrote:brandonx76 wrote:Fact Finder wrote:brandonx76 wrote:Fact Finder wrote:Upon further reflection I think this is all of our faults. This Holmes fellow didn't do this alone, along the way he had a teacher, used the raods to get there, crossed a bridge. Somebody else made this happen.
fucking retarded and not funny...
Yeah, that's why the sad face is there.
you've beat this joke to death in the obama forum - maybe they should give psyche evaluations to carry a gun...and to vote
Thugs don't need permits to carry guns. At least the dems wound't be voted into office if a psyche eval was mandatory in order to vote.
by ebake02 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:02 am
by ebake02 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:29 am
by brandonx76 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:41 am
by The Sushi Hunter » Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:11 am
ebake02 wrote:Apparently the fucker booby-trapped his apartment with explosives or some other type of flammable material too.
by Ehwmatt » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:33 am
brandonx76 wrote:That's the guy's arrest photo? Reminds me of the AZ shooter, same crazy smile...fucking nuts!!
by brandonx76 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:39 am
Ehwmatt wrote:brandonx76 wrote:That's the guy's arrest photo? Reminds me of the AZ shooter, same crazy smile...fucking nuts!!
That's not his booking photo. The Aurora chief specifically said they didn't know how they were going to handle releasing that photo. This picture is from something else.
by Ehwmatt » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:42 am
brandonx76 wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:brandonx76 wrote:That's the guy's arrest photo? Reminds me of the AZ shooter, same crazy smile...fucking nuts!!
That's not his booking photo. The Aurora chief specifically said they didn't know how they were going to handle releasing that photo. This picture is from something else.
yeah, I guess he dyed his hair like the Joker...so he must have gone in with his guns and get up and sat in the movie...didn't look out of character with everyone that was there 'dressed up'. That video of people running out of the theater is extremely disturbing...
by The Sushi Hunter » Sat Jul 21, 2012 4:43 am
brandonx76 wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:brandonx76 wrote:That's the guy's arrest photo? Reminds me of the AZ shooter, same crazy smile...fucking nuts!!
That's not his booking photo. The Aurora chief specifically said they didn't know how they were going to handle releasing that photo. This picture is from something else.
yeah, I guess he dyed his hair like the Joker...so he must have gone in with his guns and get up and sat in the movie...didn't look out of character with everyone that was there 'dressed up'. That video of people running out of the theater is extremely disturbing...
by The Sushi Hunter » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:13 am
by brandonx76 » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:31 am
The Sushi Hunter wrote:
What's disturbing about that video? Besides knowing what happened, I don't see anything disturbing about it, people coming out of a door with a ton of people yapping in the background which you really can't tell what they are saying. One guy has red on him but seems to be walking out on his own.
I'd say the people running out of the movie theater from the blob was more disturbing, especially the part where the chick in the red that gets sent to the ground and then kicked in the head by the guy running behind her.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqZ86pJkz-M
by The Sushi Hunter » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:46 am
brandonx76 wrote:I guess this is an attempt at humor?
I think real events trump 1950's schlock horror..
I thought the guy with clear signs of blood on his back wandering out in a daze, then a little kid dressed up like batman walks out, and also..while I haven't listened to the audio, you can clearly see the camera getting more shakey as the guy holding the phone realizes the seriousness of what was happening...I guess it was more surreal than anything
by YoungJRNY » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:48 am
Ehwmatt wrote:The Sushi Hunter wrote:I wouldn't have been able to go since I have to work the next day. Who goes to a movie at midnight during the week besides some nutjob that shoots up the place?
High school kids, college kids, people that work irregular hours/days (e.g., professionals like nurses), people that are taking a vacation day because they are diehard Batman fans, and people that aren't too weak to tough out a tired Friday at work, just for starters...
by slucero » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:49 am
Behshad wrote:Fact Finder wrote:brandonx76 wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:This just sickens me. It really is starting to feel like nothing and nowhere is safe anymore. People will say "Oh this kind of stuff always happened, it just wasn't' as documented as much as it is today" and stuff like that. But I don't buy it.
This sick fuck better not get 1 iota of leniency or doubt from the judge or jury about his level of sanity. This was calculated and was the subject of plenty of prior design. A mask, a bulletproof vest, gas/smoke bombs, rifle/handgun/shotgun, and kicking in the emergency door? Fuck this guy.
agreed... his Mom lives in San Diego in a nice house, she was quoted as saying "You have the right person"....and the gunmen lived in a low grade apartment in CO, by all accounts...I'm pretty sure she had to boot this loser out of her home...What can you do against crazy?
Anyone want to talk gun control?
On a related note, I am planning to see the movie on Sunday...I was planning to go shooting at a range afterwards, but now thinking that may be in poor taste (on two accounts at least)
Gun control. When a legally carrying citizen puts a round in this nutbags head before he can shoot 10 more people. That's good gun control.
you seriously think, in a dark movie theater, with tear gas, smoke etc , someone would nail him down right away ? And who's to say there would be ONE citizen carrying a gun, what if there is 10 of them in the same room and they all start shooting eachother and others !?
In a perfect world, ONE guy would take the guy out and the tragedy's casualties with be minimal. But remember this is real world, not a Hollywood Hero Movie.
With that said, I am not against citizens carrying guns, but more against how easy one can obtain a gun. I still think there should be some restrict laws before you can obtain a gun .
July 13th (7 days ago) - Samuel Williams, 71, recently stopped a robbery at the Palms Internet Cafe in Ocala, Florida by shooting two criminals. The two robbers came through the doors, with a baseball bat and a gun, around 10 pm. on Friday, and demanded that the 30+ customers drop on the floor and give them money.
The customers followed orders except for Williams, who started shooting at the robbers, who ran for the exit.
Police put the facts together and arrested Davis G. Dawkins and Duwayne Henderson for the attempted robbery. Both 19-year-olds were transported to Shands Hospital at the University of Florida in Gainesville, Florida, for gunshot wounds.
Dawkins told police that he had been an employee at the cafe but was fired, and allegedly told Henderson that there was "a lot of money there."
Henderson complained about Williams' shooting, after he was already on the ground: "I was down, and I’m not going to continue to shoot you."
Video of shooting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... pv6dJZhg0U
by Behshad » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:57 am
slucero wrote:Behshad wrote:Fact Finder wrote:brandonx76 wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:This just sickens me. It really is starting to feel like nothing and nowhere is safe anymore. People will say "Oh this kind of stuff always happened, it just wasn't' as documented as much as it is today" and stuff like that. But I don't buy it.
This sick fuck better not get 1 iota of leniency or doubt from the judge or jury about his level of sanity. This was calculated and was the subject of plenty of prior design. A mask, a bulletproof vest, gas/smoke bombs, rifle/handgun/shotgun, and kicking in the emergency door? Fuck this guy.
agreed... his Mom lives in San Diego in a nice house, she was quoted as saying "You have the right person"....and the gunmen lived in a low grade apartment in CO, by all accounts...I'm pretty sure she had to boot this loser out of her home...What can you do against crazy?
Anyone want to talk gun control?
On a related note, I am planning to see the movie on Sunday...I was planning to go shooting at a range afterwards, but now thinking that may be in poor taste (on two accounts at least)
Gun control. When a legally carrying citizen puts a round in this nutbags head before he can shoot 10 more people. That's good gun control.
you seriously think, in a dark movie theater, with tear gas, smoke etc , someone would nail him down right away ? And who's to say there would be ONE citizen carrying a gun, what if there is 10 of them in the same room and they all start shooting eachother and others !?
In a perfect world, ONE guy would take the guy out and the tragedy's casualties with be minimal. But remember this is real world, not a Hollywood Hero Movie.
With that said, I am not against citizens carrying guns, but more against how easy one can obtain a gun. I still think there should be some restrict laws before you can obtain a gun .
I guess Hollywood happens in real life then...July 13th (7 days ago) - Samuel Williams, 71, recently stopped a robbery at the Palms Internet Cafe in Ocala, Florida by shooting two criminals. The two robbers came through the doors, with a baseball bat and a gun, around 10 pm. on Friday, and demanded that the 30+ customers drop on the floor and give them money.
The customers followed orders except for Williams, who started shooting at the robbers, who ran for the exit.
Police put the facts together and arrested Davis G. Dawkins and Duwayne Henderson for the attempted robbery. Both 19-year-olds were transported to Shands Hospital at the University of Florida in Gainesville, Florida, for gunshot wounds.
Dawkins told police that he had been an employee at the cafe but was fired, and allegedly told Henderson that there was "a lot of money there."
Henderson complained about Williams' shooting, after he was already on the ground: "I was down, and I’m not going to continue to shoot you."
Video of shooting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... pv6dJZhg0U
Very indicative of the criminal mindset that Henderson complained about being shot at...
by slucero » Sat Jul 21, 2012 5:59 am
Behshad wrote:slucero wrote:Behshad wrote:Fact Finder wrote:brandonx76 wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:This just sickens me. It really is starting to feel like nothing and nowhere is safe anymore. People will say "Oh this kind of stuff always happened, it just wasn't' as documented as much as it is today" and stuff like that. But I don't buy it.
This sick fuck better not get 1 iota of leniency or doubt from the judge or jury about his level of sanity. This was calculated and was the subject of plenty of prior design. A mask, a bulletproof vest, gas/smoke bombs, rifle/handgun/shotgun, and kicking in the emergency door? Fuck this guy.
agreed... his Mom lives in San Diego in a nice house, she was quoted as saying "You have the right person"....and the gunmen lived in a low grade apartment in CO, by all accounts...I'm pretty sure she had to boot this loser out of her home...What can you do against crazy?
Anyone want to talk gun control?
On a related note, I am planning to see the movie on Sunday...I was planning to go shooting at a range afterwards, but now thinking that may be in poor taste (on two accounts at least)
Gun control. When a legally carrying citizen puts a round in this nutbags head before he can shoot 10 more people. That's good gun control.
you seriously think, in a dark movie theater, with tear gas, smoke etc , someone would nail him down right away ? And who's to say there would be ONE citizen carrying a gun, what if there is 10 of them in the same room and they all start shooting eachother and others !?
In a perfect world, ONE guy would take the guy out and the tragedy's casualties with be minimal. But remember this is real world, not a Hollywood Hero Movie.
With that said, I am not against citizens carrying guns, but more against how easy one can obtain a gun. I still think there should be some restrict laws before you can obtain a gun .
I guess Hollywood happens in real life then...July 13th (7 days ago) - Samuel Williams, 71, recently stopped a robbery at the Palms Internet Cafe in Ocala, Florida by shooting two criminals. The two robbers came through the doors, with a baseball bat and a gun, around 10 pm. on Friday, and demanded that the 30+ customers drop on the floor and give them money.
The customers followed orders except for Williams, who started shooting at the robbers, who ran for the exit.
Police put the facts together and arrested Davis G. Dawkins and Duwayne Henderson for the attempted robbery. Both 19-year-olds were transported to Shands Hospital at the University of Florida in Gainesville, Florida, for gunshot wounds.
Dawkins told police that he had been an employee at the cafe but was fired, and allegedly told Henderson that there was "a lot of money there."
Henderson complained about Williams' shooting, after he was already on the ground: "I was down, and I’m not going to continue to shoot you."
Video of shooting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... pv6dJZhg0U
Very indicative of the criminal mindset that Henderson complained about being shot at...
Comparing a gas station style robbery by two amateurs to a massacre inside a dark movie theater
I never said good deeds never happen, but even if every single adult in that theatre were armed, the outcome wouldnt have been any better.
by Behshad » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:05 am
slucero wrote:Behshad wrote:slucero wrote:Behshad wrote:Fact Finder wrote:brandonx76 wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:This just sickens me. It really is starting to feel like nothing and nowhere is safe anymore. People will say "Oh this kind of stuff always happened, it just wasn't' as documented as much as it is today" and stuff like that. But I don't buy it.
This sick fuck better not get 1 iota of leniency or doubt from the judge or jury about his level of sanity. This was calculated and was the subject of plenty of prior design. A mask, a bulletproof vest, gas/smoke bombs, rifle/handgun/shotgun, and kicking in the emergency door? Fuck this guy.
agreed... his Mom lives in San Diego in a nice house, she was quoted as saying "You have the right person"....and the gunmen lived in a low grade apartment in CO, by all accounts...I'm pretty sure she had to boot this loser out of her home...What can you do against crazy?
Anyone want to talk gun control?
On a related note, I am planning to see the movie on Sunday...I was planning to go shooting at a range afterwards, but now thinking that may be in poor taste (on two accounts at least)
Gun control. When a legally carrying citizen puts a round in this nutbags head before he can shoot 10 more people. That's good gun control.
you seriously think, in a dark movie theater, with tear gas, smoke etc , someone would nail him down right away ? And who's to say there would be ONE citizen carrying a gun, what if there is 10 of them in the same room and they all start shooting eachother and others !?
In a perfect world, ONE guy would take the guy out and the tragedy's casualties with be minimal. But remember this is real world, not a Hollywood Hero Movie.
With that said, I am not against citizens carrying guns, but more against how easy one can obtain a gun. I still think there should be some restrict laws before you can obtain a gun .
I guess Hollywood happens in real life then...July 13th (7 days ago) - Samuel Williams, 71, recently stopped a robbery at the Palms Internet Cafe in Ocala, Florida by shooting two criminals. The two robbers came through the doors, with a baseball bat and a gun, around 10 pm. on Friday, and demanded that the 30+ customers drop on the floor and give them money.
The customers followed orders except for Williams, who started shooting at the robbers, who ran for the exit.
Police put the facts together and arrested Davis G. Dawkins and Duwayne Henderson for the attempted robbery. Both 19-year-olds were transported to Shands Hospital at the University of Florida in Gainesville, Florida, for gunshot wounds.
Dawkins told police that he had been an employee at the cafe but was fired, and allegedly told Henderson that there was "a lot of money there."
Henderson complained about Williams' shooting, after he was already on the ground: "I was down, and I’m not going to continue to shoot you."
Video of shooting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... pv6dJZhg0U
Very indicative of the criminal mindset that Henderson complained about being shot at...
Comparing a gas station style robbery by two amateurs to a massacre inside a dark movie theater
I never said good deeds never happen, but even if every single adult in that theatre were armed, the outcome wouldnt have been any better.
the truth is you don't KNOW that so saying it makes no sense... yet I've provided you evidence that an armed citizen actually does make a difference..
by artist4perry » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:06 am
Ehwmatt wrote:Let's at least let them finish cleaning the bloodstains from women, children, and innocent adults off the movie theater floor and seats before we start getting political about this.
by slucero » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:12 am
Behshad wrote:
Your evidence makes no sense as the whole thing happened during completely different surroundings, with 2 robbers having a completely different intentions : just after some chump change. This guy went in to KILL. If THIS PSYCHO wouldve gone in the same Cafe , with intentions of shooting and killing, chances are the 71 year old wouldve been shot long before he couldve reached for his weapon.
by JRNYMAN » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:15 am
by Behshad » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:19 am
slucero wrote:Behshad wrote:
Your evidence makes no sense as the whole thing happened during completely different surroundings, with 2 robbers having a completely different intentions : just after some chump change. This guy went in to KILL. If THIS PSYCHO wouldve gone in the same Cafe , with intentions of shooting and killing, chances are the 71 year old wouldve been shot long before he couldve reached for his weapon.
without the possibility of there even being CC carriers in the crowd (due to the ordinance).. there was no possibility for any response..
your assertion is not valid...
Your example was poor and not comparable to the tragedy in Colorado. End of story.
by slucero » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:29 am
JRNYMAN wrote:And as I follow the news on CNN, it just pisses me off every time one of the newscasters refers to the MF responsible for this tragedy a the "suspected" gunman. Really? Have we become so entranced in our political correctness that we must extend these pleasantries and specific nomenclature to the individuals who have absolutely no respect for human life or what every one of his victims meant to someone in their respective lives?!
It's just one more situation where some over-the-top, out of touch with reality, mama's boy who probably got bullied all his life and instead of getting help to deal with the emotional trauma he experienced, he just kept festering and building up rage a little bit each day until finally, he takes his LEGALLY purchased assault weapons and does what this MF did last night. There isn't an argument that can be made that can successfully justify why civilians should have the access to, and the right to own that kind of weaponry. You don't hunt with them. You don't supply your own automatic weapons when you enlist in the armed forces. You certainly don't have a bonafide need for that kind of personal protection - at least not any place in this country, yet these kinds of things keep happening. I completely and whole heartedly agree with the 2md amendment and we must have the right to bear arms. However, the forefathers never dreamed that their carefully worded argument was important enough to place it 2nd in the list of rights they demanded, that it would include the kind of weaponry that could enable one individual to shoot 71 people in a matter of 120 seconds or so - 12 of them fatally. 71 people's lives will never be the same because of one sick bastard and the fact that he legally owned the kind of gun he did.
/rant
by JRNYMAN » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:29 am
Behshad wrote:slucero wrote:Behshad wrote:
Your evidence makes no sense as the whole thing happened during completely different surroundings, with 2 robbers having a completely different intentions : just after some chump change. This guy went in to KILL. If THIS PSYCHO wouldve gone in the same Cafe , with intentions of shooting and killing, chances are the 71 year old wouldve been shot long before he couldve reached for his weapon.
without the possibility of there even being CC carriers in the crowd (due to the ordinance).. there was no possibility for any response..
your assertion is not valid...
I dont need any validation from you.
Now as far as how he got in through exits (not emergency exits, but the actual exit for people to use after the movie, there is a report now sayin he had ticket for the movie, went in , went through the exit , and prevented the exit door from closing completely, went to his car got the guns & mask etc and went back in.
by The Sushi Hunter » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:29 am
YoungJRNY wrote:Ehwmatt wrote:The Sushi Hunter wrote:I wouldn't have been able to go since I have to work the next day. Who goes to a movie at midnight during the week besides some nutjob that shoots up the place?
High school kids, college kids, people that work irregular hours/days (e.g., professionals like nurses), people that are taking a vacation day because they are diehard Batman fans, and people that aren't too weak to tough out a tired Friday at work, just for starters...
Truth. I work 5 a.m-5:30 pm, Mon-Fri. I texted my brother and told him I'd come home, sleep from 6:00-11p, head out to see RISES and just go straight to work after. I love this shit. I'll be going Saturday though to see it.
This is the perfect time for fans like me to really engage in what brings happiness to the big screen and that's super-hero movies. I'm an avid comic collector and have been enjoying the crap out of this new-age super-hero era.
I am so fucking disgusted about this story that a piece of shit in my mouth wouldn't phase me. I'm sick and tired of seeing these fucking low-life, piece of SHIT lunatics smiling in their mug-shots after the HELL they just created. We can't go to the movies now without some fucked up human being from society ready to mow you down? These poor families (kids included)! All they wanted to see was a Batman movie and now somebodies loved ones are dead. Their final resting place will be a goddamn movie theater!
Fuck this shit.
by slucero » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:30 am
Behshad wrote:slucero wrote:Behshad wrote:
Your evidence makes no sense as the whole thing happened during completely different surroundings, with 2 robbers having a completely different intentions : just after some chump change. This guy went in to KILL. If THIS PSYCHO wouldve gone in the same Cafe , with intentions of shooting and killing, chances are the 71 year old wouldve been shot long before he couldve reached for his weapon.
without the possibility of there even being CC carriers in the crowd (due to the ordinance).. there was no possibility for any response..
your assertion is not valid...
I dont need any validation from you.
Now as far as how he got in through exits (not emergency exits, but the actual exit for people to use after the movie, there is a report now sayin he had ticket for the movie, went in , went through the exit , and prevented the exit door from closing completely, went to his car got the guns & mask etc and went back in.
by Behshad » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:33 am
JRNYMAN wrote:Behshad wrote:slucero wrote:Behshad wrote:
Your evidence makes no sense as the whole thing happened during completely different surroundings, with 2 robbers having a completely different intentions : just after some chump change. This guy went in to KILL. If THIS PSYCHO wouldve gone in the same Cafe , with intentions of shooting and killing, chances are the 71 year old wouldve been shot long before he couldve reached for his weapon.
without the possibility of there even being CC carriers in the crowd (due to the ordinance).. there was no possibility for any response..
your assertion is not valid...
I dont need any validation from you.
Now as far as how he got in through exits (not emergency exits, but the actual exit for people to use after the movie, there is a report now sayin he had ticket for the movie, went in , went through the exit , and prevented the exit door from closing completely, went to his car got the guns & mask etc and went back in.
Who gives a fuck how he gained access. It doesn't matter if he McGuyver'd his way in through a god damned mouse hole. He got fucking in with an AR-15, a shotgun and 2 mother fucking handguns and 2 canisters - presumably tear gas, and affected the lives of hundreds of people - 71 of whom will never be the same again after his "getting in".
by JRNYMAN » Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:34 am
slucero wrote:JRNYMAN wrote:And as I follow the news on CNN, it just pisses me off every time one of the newscasters refers to the MF responsible for this tragedy a the "suspected" gunman. Really? Have we become so entranced in our political correctness that we must extend these pleasantries and specific nomenclature to the individuals who have absolutely no respect for human life or what every one of his victims meant to someone in their respective lives?!
It's just one more situation where some over-the-top, out of touch with reality, mama's boy who probably got bullied all his life and instead of getting help to deal with the emotional trauma he experienced, he just kept festering and building up rage a little bit each day until finally, he takes his LEGALLY purchased assault weapons and does what this MF did last night. There isn't an argument that can be made that can successfully justify why civilians should have the access to, and the right to own that kind of weaponry. You don't hunt with them. You don't supply your own automatic weapons when you enlist in the armed forces. You certainly don't have a bonafide need for that kind of personal protection - at least not any place in this country, yet these kinds of things keep happening. I completely and whole heartedly agree with the 2md amendment and we must have the right to bear arms. However, the forefathers never dreamed that their carefully worded argument was important enough to place it 2nd in the list of rights they demanded, that it would include the kind of weaponry that could enable one individual to shoot 71 people in a matter of 120 seconds or so - 12 of them fatally. 71 people's lives will never be the same because of one sick bastard and the fact that he legally owned the kind of gun he did.
/rant
You need make sure you define "Assault weapon"..
"Assault weapon" is a non-technical term referring to any of a broad category of firearms with certain features, and there are a variety of different statutory definitions of assault weapons in local, state, and federal laws in the United States that define them by a set of characteristics they possess, namely:
- detachable magazine and a
- pistol grip
- folding stock or a
- flash suppressor
While often similar in appearance to military firearms, they are capable of firing only once each time the trigger is pulled.
So of the guns used by the perp, assuming all are standard config:
1 - AK47
1 - Shotgun
2 - .40 cal handgun
Only the AK would be literally considered an "Assault weapon", as it has a pistol grip.
And as mentioned earlier, ALL of these weapons fire only once each time the trigger is pulled. So any of these weapons would have enabled the shooter to "shoot 71 people in a matter of 120 seconds or so"...
More restrictive gun laws are not the solution. Better gun permitting (to weed out nutjobs) and training requirements are.
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